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catherine yronwode

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Sep 18, 2002, 9:24:09 PM9/18/02
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I have just written and uploaded a new web page to the Lucky W Amulet
Archive on Saint Expedite and the rites associated with working with him
to obtain rapid favours.

The URL is
http://www.luckymojo.com/saintexpedite.html

Enjoy!

cat yronwode

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Lee Thompson-Herbert

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Sep 19, 2002, 3:51:17 AM9/19/02
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In article <3D8928...@luckymojo.com>,

catherine yronwode <c...@luckymojo.com> wrote:
>I have just written and uploaded a new web page to the Lucky W Amulet
>Archive on Saint Expedite and the rites associated with working with him
>to obtain rapid favours.
>
>The URL is
> http://www.luckymojo.com/saintexpedite.html

I don't have a reference on this, but I faintly recall that if St.Expidite
_doesn't_ grant your wish, you take his statue and stand it on its head.
This may be a case of getting Saints mixed up, though since it's done for
other saints. But it's also typical of New Orleans type rites that if
your wish isn't granted, you sure don't have to be nearly as respectful.

--
Lee M.Thompson-Herbert l...@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4
Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris
Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades.
"A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

RedWill0w

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Sep 19, 2002, 1:11:04 PM9/19/02
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>I don't have a reference on this, but I faintly recall that if St.Expidite
>_doesn't_ grant your wish, you take his statue and stand it on its head.
>This may be a case of getting Saints mixed up, though since it's done for
>other saints. But it's also typical of New Orleans type rites that if
>your wish isn't granted, you sure don't have to be nearly as respectful.
>
>--
>Lee M.Thompson-Herbert l...@retro.com


The above bit reminds me of my local botanica's statues of St. Anthony, which
feature a removable baby Jesus. You take the baby from St. Anthony's arms
while petitioning for the one you love to come to you. Once accomplished, you
reunite the figures.
I personally have never petitioned St. Expedite, although I have some 7-day
candles of his. I'm curious about what people's experience in this group has
been with asking for his intervention.
~Dara

Eoghan Ballard

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Sep 19, 2002, 1:21:59 PM9/19/02
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Apart from all of these, there is an Obeah tradition from Trinidad in
which St. Expidite is associated with Bonsu, a figure who is somewhat
like Baron Samedi.

Eoghan

JediMasterLisa

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Sep 19, 2002, 2:42:05 PM9/19/02
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>if St.Expidite
>_doesn't_ grant your wish, you take his statue and stand it on its head.

Hehehe, that's just too damn funny. Talk about putting someone under pressure
;)
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In the name of a Real Good Time. Amen.
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Mambo Racine Sans Bout

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Sep 19, 2002, 3:12:25 PM9/19/02
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In Haitian Vodou, an image of St. Expedite is often used to represent
Legba in the Petro division. He can be turned upside down sometimes,
it depends on the type of work beling done.

Peace and love,

Bon Mambo Racine Sans Bout Sa Te La Daginen

"Se bon ki ra" - Good is rare
Haitian proverb

The VODOU Page - http://members.aol.com/racine125/index.html

(Posting from Jacmel, Haiti)

catherine yronwode

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Sep 19, 2002, 6:44:25 PM9/19/02
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RedWill0w wrote:
>
> I personally have never petitioned St. Expedite, although I have
> some 7-day candles of his. I'm curious about what people's
> experience in this group has been with asking for his intervention.

He's a very good saint for me. I recently wrote up an experience in
which my husband and i petitioned Saint Expedite and Saint Christopher
to get us through traffic and to our destination on time. They came
through -- and we lit lights for them, with flowers. You could find it
at google groups with the keywords <Expedite Chistopher concert traffic
yronwode> no doubt.

Just today i placed a request for quick money with Saint Expedite, upon
which i set a time limit of one hour, and he came through -- so again
his statue has flowers and a candle.

I keep his picture propped up againt my computer, next to my monitor.

I also have a separate altar for "Saints Who Were Roman Centurions"
which has statues and holy cards for Saint Expedite, Saint Martin
Cabellero (a.k.a. Saint Martin of Tours), and Saint Florian.

Both Martin of Tours and Expedite are associated with money drawing- so
the "Saints Who Were Roman Centurions" shrine is part of a larger
money-drawing altar. Florian is not a money-saint, however. He was a
freman and is now the patron saint of firemen and i just happen to like
him a lot.

Racine Sans Bout wrote:

> In Haitian Vodou, an image of St. Expedite is often used
> to represent Legba in the Petro division.

Eoghan Ballard wrote:

> there is an Obeah tradition from Trinidad in
> which St. Expidite is associated with Bonsu,
> a figure who is somewhat like Baron Samedi.

Thanks, Eoghan and Racine, for the associations you gave to Saint
Expedite from African diasporic traditions. These are further links
between him and the messenger / crossroads / trickster complex. In an
e-list i belong to, Bryant Holman also mentioned that his name is a pun
in Spanish -- ped means fart, pedito means little fart, and ex means
former -- so Expedito means former little fart. This again links him to
puns and word-play.

See http://www.luckymojo.com/saintexpedite.html for further details.

HoodWinkedBrand

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Sep 19, 2002, 10:13:24 PM9/19/02
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>The above bit reminds me of my local botanica's statues of St. Anthony, which
>
>feature a removable baby Jesus. You take the baby from St. Anthony's arms
>while petitioning for the one you love to come to you. Once accomplished,
>you
>reunite the figures.
>I personally have never petitioned St. Expedite, although I have some 7-day
>candles of his. I'm curious about what people's experience in this group has
>been with asking for his intervention.
>~Dara

So there is another person out there who has heard of this! I heard about
petitioning St. Anthony for the return of lost objects by taking away the baby
and promising to return it when St. Anthony delivers the goods. And should you
see his statue weep after taking the baby it is supposed to be a good sign that
you wish we be granted in haste. By the Way, I heard of this story a good 5, 6
years ago from watching a documentary on Anne Rice who talked about the history
of Voodoo in New Orleans and the spritiual practices concerning petitioning the
saints.

jason

RedWill0w

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Sep 20, 2002, 6:34:00 PM9/20/02
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The Cuban man who runs the botanica I frequent told me how to use that
statue. I've always loved St. Anthony and feel that he has helped me many
times. I'm not sure if I would want to take his baby away from him, since he's
been so kind to me. I would have to find a way to mentally approach that -
perhaps thinking of it as being a way to particularly alert him to the urgency
of my need, sort of like ringing the BIG doorbell. The practice is
interesting. I think I will buy one of those statues. I have a smallish St.
Anthony, about 15", but I like tend to like bigger statues with more oomph. I
also have a beautiful little painting of St Anthony that I treasure.
He's been helpful to me, seriously helpful to me, for many years. He seems
very close to earth somehow, very accessible, and very willing to help. I love
him.

Actually lately I have been thinking of making some saint statues,
incorporating waters, herbs, special powders, etc.

~Dara

JediMasterLisa

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Sep 20, 2002, 7:21:07 PM9/20/02
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Dara writes,

>[St. Anthony has] been helpful to me, seriously helpful to me, for many years.


He seems
>very close to earth somehow, very accessible, and very willing to help. I
>love
>him.

I'm the same way with St. Michael Archangel; he seems very close and eager and
happy to help.
This seems, on the surface, kind of out of character for him considering what
he's patron saint of, but in reality it is apparent to me that there's no clash
at all.

I wonder how it is that we wind up with the saints we do? Do they choose us?
(they'd almost have to.) In my case, I saw a picture of Michael and that was
it, I just knew.

I have a small plastic statue that's been a good space-holder, but I'd like to
get a bigger one. I'm pricing out and comparison shopping statues in the size
range I'd like... I'd prefer something of excellent quality in the 18 to 24
inch-ish range. For the time being, I may just buy one of those garishly
painted Mexican-market statues of him and repaint it to my own taste.

RedWill0w

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Sep 20, 2002, 8:14:52 PM9/20/02
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>
>I'm the same way with St. Michael Archangel; he seems very close and eager
>and
>happy to help.
>This seems, on the surface, kind of out of character for him considering what
>he's patron saint of, but in reality it is apparent to me that there's no
>clash
>at all.
>
>I wonder how it is that we wind up with the saints we do? Do they choose us?
>(they'd almost have to.) In my case, I saw a picture of Michael and that was
>it, I just knew.
>
>I have a small plastic statue that's been a good space-holder, but I'd like
>to
>get a bigger one. I'm pricing out and comparison shopping statues in the
>size
>range I'd like... I'd prefer something of excellent quality in the 18 to 24
>inch-ish range. For the time being, I may just buy one of those garishly
>painted Mexican-market statues of him and repaint it to my own taste.
>^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
>In the name of a Real Good Time. Amen.
>^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
Interesting that you should mention St. Michael; I really like him too. I
have beautiful painting of him, triumphant, holding the scales he uses to
weigh souls in one hand and a sword of fire in the other. Here are a couple of
items on Ebay you might find of interest:

Item # 906721728 (cuzco-style painting, really very inexpensive, a good deal)

and

Saint Michael Sculpture Carved Wood 20 Inches
Item # 714898343

catherine yronwode

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Sep 20, 2002, 10:41:41 PM9/20/02
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JediMasterLisa wrote:
>
> Dara writes,
>
> > [St. Anthony has] been helpful to me, seriously helpful to me, for
> > many years. He seems very close to earth somehow, very accessible,
> > and very willing to help. I love him.
>
> I'm the same way with St. Michael Archangel; he seems very close and
> eager and happy to help.
> This seems, on the surface, kind of out of character for him
> considering what he's patron saint of, but in reality it is apparent
> to me that there's no clash at all.
>
> I wonder how it is that we wind up with the saints we do? Do they
> choose us? (they'd almost have to.) In my case, I saw a picture of
> Michael and that was it, I just knew.

That's how i felt about Saint Expedite, and also Dr. Gregorio Hernandez
when i first saw them. (Dr. Hernandez is not a saint yet, but he will
be! He was a doctor who lived in Venezuela and was very helpful to
people both medically and spiritually; there are already novenas
published for him, and statues, and holy cards... it's just a matter of
time...)

This morning, as soon as i woke up, i had a little flash about why i
like the Roman Centurion Saints (Expedite, Florian, and Martin
Caballero) so much and work with them so often -- they are soldiers, and
i was taught in hoodoo that if you don't have a specific spirit to call
upon to help you, you should go to the graveyard and find the grave of a
soldier, because in life they were brave, loyal, and followed orders.

Saint Michael, with his armour and his sword, has some of that
soldiering vibe, as do Saint Jacques (James the Greater a.k.a. Sanjak),
and Saint George. The only one of that lot i don't work with at all is
Saint George. I don't know why -- i just don't like the way he's abusing
that poor dragon :-) I mean, Saint Marta the Dominator has a dragon too,
but lots of times it is just shown laying at her feet like a pet and
grinning, even when she plays at stabbing it.

Well, just random thoughts. The issue of how we resonate with certain
saints is pretty individualistic, i think.

I always have a Saint Jospeh around, for instance, because my father was
named Joseph (Guiseppe; he was Sicialian -- and he was not Catholic --
he was an atheist and a socialist). I am particularly taken with Saint
Joseph the Carpenter images -- they fit in with the working man
Socialist image my father preferred -- and i have a lovely antique print
in my house of Baby Jesus taking his first toddling little steps toward
Joseph on the carpenter's bench. I refer to Joseph the Carpenter as
"Jesus's Step-Dad."

My father Joseph was not a very good father. He was not cruel; he was
simply an absent, unloving non-dad who was fanatic about politics and
italian cooking, painted abstract art, divorced my mother when i was 4
years old, and was a cartographer. I only saw him two weeks a year and
although he remarried, he and my stepmother never had any children. But,
when i was about 50 years old, he suddenly came through for me in death
-- he left me some of his abstract paintings (i hate abstract art) and
some Standard Oil stocks which he had gotten in the 1950s when he became
a map-maker for the company. He probably thought the stocks had little
value, because he left his house and all of his stuff to other people,
not me --- but between when he died and when the stock certificates were
sent to me, those stocks had almost tripled in value, and i cashed them
in (i would NEVER hold stock in a petro-chemical company!!!) and i used
the money to pay down my mortgage (Saint Joseph is the real-estate
saint) and to start Lucky Mojo online. I bought a nice, large, antique
plaster Joseph for the shop, of course. Then, when i met my husband
online, he lived on Ironwoood Drive (that's how my name, Yronwode, is
pronounced) in San Jose (Saint Joseph). So, if this were a botanica, it
might have been dedicated to Saint Joseph the Carpenter, who certainly
has brought me many good things.

But i don't work with him. Isn't that funny? I like him okay, and i am
grateful for his help, but i have never asked him a favour. I think of
him as being like my father, an abstraction.

Funny, isn't it?

JediMasterLisa

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Sep 21, 2002, 4:04:06 AM9/21/02
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Redwillow, you have excellent taste :) That statue in particular is just
exactly the sort of style and - - quality - - I wanted. :D Regrettably, at this
moment it's a bit more than I can afford, though I think it's underpriced
as-is. Time to work a charm to bring just that sort of statue into my life...
and I sense I'll have lots of help from a certain saint ;) -Lisa

mommadona

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Sep 21, 2002, 4:10:56 AM9/21/02
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"catherine yronwode" <c...@luckymojo.com> wrote in message
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> JediMasterLisa wrote:
> >
> > Dara writes,
> >
> > > [St. Anthony has] been helpful to me, seriously helpful to me, for
> > > many years. He seems very close to earth somehow, very accessible,
> > > and very willing to help. I love him.
> >
> > I'm the same way with St. Michael Archangel; he seems very close and
> > eager and happy to help.
> > This seems, on the surface, kind of out of character for him
> > considering what he's patron saint of, but in reality it is apparent
> > to me that there's no clash at all.
> >
> > I wonder how it is that we wind up with the saints we do? Do they
> > choose us? (they'd almost have to.) In my case, I saw a picture of
> > Michael and that was it, I just knew.


{Great expose' cat. Thank you.} Have you ever been to Mission San Miguel -
north - inland from Big Sur..?

catherine yronwode

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Sep 21, 2002, 11:12:00 AM9/21/02
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mommadona wrote:
>
> {Great expose' cat. Thank you.} Have you ever been to Mission San
> Miguel - north - inland from Big Sur..?

Yes. I am one of those true-blue California girls who was taken to every
mission in California on one summer vacation or another. I used to wish
that there were missions in the northern quarter of the state so that my
parents would take me up there. Heck, i've even been to missions in
Arizona!

Say the magic word --
Say, "Mission Pack" --
And it's on its merry way!
No gift's so right,
So gay, so bright --
Give the Mission Pack magic way!

cat (Give us the adress! We do the rest!) yronwode

mommadona

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That's where I go to raise Mikeal.


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