Magic and Luck (was love spell to make someone like me)
nagasiva
"Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
> Luck and Magic are two words that should never be used in the same sentence.
yeah? if magic = belief, as you say, then what does luck = ?
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Bruce Burhans
"nagasiva" <naga...@yronwode.SPAMcom> wrote in message
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> 50020313 VI
>
> "Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
> > Luck and Magic are two words that should never be used in the same
sentence.
>
> yeah? if magic = belief, as you say, then what does luck = ?
creative processes, along with intent and desire.
It is hardly the whole picture.
Luck 9as it is commonly understood) involves randomness, and there
is no such thing.
Order is everywhere, of one sort or another.......
Bruce<+>
Blazin' Tommy D.
unique
CI
nagasiva <naga...@yronwode.SPAMcom> wrote in article
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> 50020313 VI
>
> "Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
> > Luck and Magic are two words that should never be used in the same
sentence.
>
> yeah? if magic = belief, as you say, then what does luck = ?
BTD: That's clever Siva, could it be, by any chance?
Blazin' Tommy D.
flip a coin, all we know is that it could land heads up or tales up
Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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William Tucker
"Blazin' Tommy D." <td...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> randomness within probability?
> flip a coin, all we know is that it could land heads up or tales up
Actually I remember I told my dad that I could flip a coin a certain way
and it would turn up heads or tails everytime, he being the scientist said
try it and count them....I did...I flipped it 30-40 times and it came up
as I predicted. heads every time....it turned over multiple times, not just
once...I could also
call pitches high/inside/ouside//low/middle before the pitch was thrown
from looking at the pitchers stance...and asked my dad how come other
people didn't know what the pitcher was going to throw...I lost the ability
after awhile....had it for a couple of months...
Wm
William Tucker
> All I now is that it's impossible to make someone like me because I am
> unique
> CI
Or another way of saying that, I know that I want them to like "me" not some
projection...
Wm
Bruce Burhans
> randomness within probability?
> flip a coin, all we know is that it could land heads up or tales up
Speak for yourself.
Bruce<+>
Blazin' Tommy D.
William Tucker <wmft...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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Blazin' Tommy D.
William Tucker <wmft...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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William Tucker
> I have a talking dog
Just one?
Wm
Bruce Burhans
"William Tucker" <wmft...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
:-)
Bruce<+>
nagasiva
"Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
>>> Luck and Magic are two words that should never be used in
>>> the same sentence.
nagasiva:
>> yeah? if magic = belief, as you say, then what does luck = ?
" Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
> Belief (concept+emotion+imagination) *directs* the Magical
> creative processes, along with intent and desire. It is hardly
> the whole picture.
why doesn't 'fictional drama' describe what you're calling 'belief'?
I think you need a little more certitude in there.
> Luck (as it is commonly understood) involves randomness,
> and there is no such thing. Order is everywhere, of one sort or another.......
wow! an orderphile. keen. what if randomness is a fictional drama
due to the fact that we're not interested in computing the odds?
generally, however, luck also involves disposition toward success,
attainment, or obtainment, whether that's "bad luck", which is
toward failure, or "good luck", toward success and plenty.
you're convinced that luck is itself fictional? lovely criticism of
it. I'm half inclined to agree, but I think order is just as fantastic. ;>
nagasiva
Bruce Burhans
"nagasiva" <naga...@yronwode.SPAMcom> wrote in message
> 50020314 VI
>
> "Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
> >>> Luck and Magic are two words that should never be used in
> >>> the same sentence.
>
> nagasiva:
> >> yeah? if magic = belief, as you say, then what does luck = ?
>
> " Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
> > Belief (concept+emotion+imagination) *directs* the Magical
> > creative processes, along with intent and desire. It is hardly
> > the whole picture.
>
> why doesn't 'fictional drama' describe what you're calling 'belief'?
> I think you need a little more certitude in there.
>
I have no idea what you mean by that.
> > Luck (as it is commonly understood) involves randomness,
> > and there is no such thing. Order is everywhere, of one sort or
another.......
>
> wow! an orderphile.
Order exists whether you love it or hate it or believe
in it or not. If it didn't, none of this would be happening.
keen. what if randomness is a fictional drama
> due to the fact that we're not interested in computing the odds?
> generally, however, luck also involves disposition toward success,
> attainment, or obtainment, whether that's "bad luck", which is
> toward failure, or "good luck", toward success and plenty.
>
Sure. Like most words, it has several definitions.
> you're convinced that luck is itself fictional? lovely criticism of
> it. I'm half inclined to agree, but I think order is just as
fantastic. ;>
>
Unpredictability is built in to everything that is, in order
to prevent decadent feedback loops. But that's not the
same thing as randomness.
Then show me something that isn't orderly....
(chuckle)
Bruce<+>
> nagasiva
>
catherine yronwode
> > > Belief (concept+emotion+imagination) *directs* the Magical
> > > creative processes, along with intent and desire. It is hardly
> > > the whole picture.
> "nagasiva" <naga...@yronwode.SPAMcom> wrote
> > why doesn't 'fictional drama' describe what you're calling 'belief'?
> > I think you need a little more certitude in there.
Bruce Burhans wrote:
> I have no idea what you mean by that.
I think he means that your definition of "Belief" ("concept + emotion +
imagination") could just as easily describe "Fictional Drama," which is
also concept + emotion + imagination. In other words, he is saying that
you have not distinguished magic -- and hence, i might add, your reason
for particiaption here -- from other fields of human creativity,
particularly the creation of fiction.
There *are* ways to distinguish magic from fictional drama, both
internally and when discussing the topic with others. You're just not
stating any of them yet.
> > > Luck (as it is commonly understood) involves randomness,
> > > and there is no such thing. [...]
Some people define luck as "beneficent synchronicity." This does not
involve the concepts of randomness or order, as i understand those
terms. In fact, the definition of luck as "beneficent synchronicity" is
part of the alt.lucky.w faq (to which newsgroup you are cross-posting!).
Here is the FAQ, for your perusal, of the only usenet newsgroup
chartered to discuss luck:
THE ALT.LUCKY.W FAQ
The alt.lucky.w FAQ v.3.8
by catherine yronwode
First posted to usenet October 5th, 1995
This revision made March 30th, 1999
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
=========================================================
1) What is alt.lucky.w?
2) What is Lucky W?
3) What is the official logotype of Lucky W?
4) What is Luck?
5) What is W?
6) Where are this FAQ and selected alt.lucky.w posts archived?
7) How can i get my isp to supply me with alt.lucky.w?
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1) What is alt.lucky.w?
=========================================================
Alt.lucky.w is a usenet newsgroup devoted to discussion of
the metaphysics of beneficent synchronicity. It includes
catalogues of, experiences with, and rationales for the
operation of artifacts, tokens, and devices intended to
increase beneficent synchronicity and decrease malevolent
synchronicity. Such objects include good luck coins, rabbit
feet, four-leaf clovers, "special" numbers, reverse
swastikas, white elephants, black cats, saint cards,
wishbones, ace and joker playing cards, horseshoes, small
smooth rocks, godseyes, rattlesnake rattles, anointing oils
and floor washes, wadjet eyes, conjure bags, dorjes and
phurbus, zodiacal gemstones, cauls, pocket-sized
representations of human genitalia, powders of varied
chemical composition, pentacles and other geometric figures,
milagros and ex-votos, munachis, magic squares, animal
fetishes, representations of deities and angels, amulet
boxes, prayer candles, protection packets, crystals, the
penis bones of various species of mammals, lodestones and
magnetic sands, coral horns and forks, votary figures,
charmstones, hell bank notes, strategically placed mirrors,
all-seeing eyes, hamsa hands, strange attractors, and
feathers or leaves that fall from the sky and are caught
before they touch the earth.
Offers to buy, sell, and trade artifacts, tokens, and
devices intended to increase beneficent synchronicity and
decrease malevolent synchronicity are permissible in this
newsgroup. Commercial spam is not permitted.
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2) What is Lucky W?
=========================================================
That, friends, is the 64 dollar question.
Lucky W speaks to me of Policy Dreambooks; of the Lucky 7
Grocery Store in Nevada City, California; of childhood
Westerns set on ranches known by letter-brands, like the
Flying A and the B-Bar-B; of radio station "KDIA Lucky 13,"
playing R&B music out of Oakland, California (and its
remarkable, musically unresolved theme jingle); of the hair
dressing called "Lucky Brown Pressing Oil;" of fresh fruit
from California's Central Valley packed in wooden crates
with beautiful figurative labels and "lucky" brand names
like "High Hand;" of Lucky Wilbury, better known as Bob
Dylan; of early 20th century "Good Luck" postcards; of
canned vegetables from California sold under the Double Luck
and Lucky Trail brand names; of the 1920s British cigarette
trading cards called Wills's Lucky Charms; of Lucky Luke
cowboy comics (in French) and Lady Luck comics (In English);
of the seventh son of a seventh son; of air-conditioned
motels like the Flying W Lodge in Ozona, Texas; of the
garden roses "Lucky Piece" and "Lucky Lady;" and of all
manner of hoodoo potions, like Sonny Boy's Lucky Hand
Alleged Indian Grandma oil and E. Davis Double Fast Luck
Soap, which i used to buy in Oakland and later in Chicago
and New Orleans -- and Lucky Mojo Brand New Orleans Style
Fast Luck Self-Lighting Incense Powders, which i actually
manufacture myself.
Here are some of the popular brands in the Lucky W family
of products:
Lucky W Washing Powder
"Gets the Blues Out of Your Genes"
Lucky W Ranch-Pakt Asparagus Tips
"Shipped Fresh While U Sleep"
Lucky W Numbers and Policy Book
"Your Winning Ticket to Dreamland"
Lucky W Ripe Olives
"Send 25 Cents for Italo-American Recipe Booklet #4"
Lucky W Lubricants
"Good and Greasy -- Now With New Added Zodiac Oil"
Lucky W Valencia Oranges
"Victorville Orange Growers Association, V'Ville, Calif."
Lucky W Russian Style Hot Sweet Mustard with Horseradish
"It Packs a Wallop!"
Lucky W Cafe
"You'll Love Our Full-Cream Coffee"
Lucky W Weatherstripping
"Your Best Protection Against the Unknown"
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3) What is the official logotype of Lucky W?
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The official logotype of Lucky W is this:
In upper/lower case Rope Script, the word "Lucky," with a
four-leaf clover twined into the starting loop of the
initial "L"
In an upward (U-shaped) horseshoe, the letter "W" in upper
case Stempel Garamond Bold.
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4) What is Luck?
=========================================================
For the purposes of alt.lucky.w, luck is beneficent
synchronicity.
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5) What is W?
=========================================================
W is the 23rd letter of the English alphabet. 23 is a prime
number. Fnord.
W is the only letter of the alphabet whose English name is
described in terms of another letter -- and it is at the
same time the only letter of the alphabet whose name is a
blatant falsehood: it is in fact a "double V," not a
"double U."
The use of Stempel Garamond Bold in the official Lucky W
logotype (see question 3 above) is a reminder of the radical
contradiction between the form of the letter W and its name.
Stempel Garamond Bold is one of a few select type fonts in
which the upper case W is composed of two separate but
overlapping Vs.
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6) Where are this FAQ and selected alt.lucky.w posts archived?
=========================================================
Both can be found at the Lucky W Amulet Archive. The URL for
the FAQ is http://www.lucky.mojo.com/altluckywfaq.html. The
URL for the topic index, which includes archived articles,
is http://www.luckymojo.com/luckywindex.html.
=========================================================
7) How can i get my isp to supply me with alt.lucky.w?
=========================================================
At the present time, alt.lucky.w is available through most
service providers. If your service provider does not carry
alt.lucky.w, address a polite letter to the system
administrator or newsgroups administrator and ask for
alt.lucky.w to be added to the list of accessible
newsgroups. For complete directions on how to do this, see
"How to Access Arcane Newsgroups" at
http://www.luckymojo.com/access.html.
Alt.lucky.w is a Reconditioned Newsfroup (tm) acquired
through Froggy's Usenet Salvage Company. Used newsgroups are
the ecologically sound and economical choice! For your own
reconditioned and low mileage used newsgroup needs, visit
Froggy's Usenet Salvage Company, conveniently located at
http://www.angelfire.com/la/carlosmay/FUSC.html
Alt.lucky.w -- What it did for ITSELF, it can do for YOU!
Bruce Burhans
Stuff the FAQ, you fucking supercilous BITCH
Back we go to ignoring your postings
And leave off with the "superior magician" role-playing
You couldn't spell your own name.
Bruce<+>
"catherine yronwode" <c...@luckymojo.com> wrote in message
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gypsywulf
conduit or conductor of energy, good luck is us feigning surprise that the
universe does respond to us and bad luck is a way of denying the lesson the
universe is trying to send us.
"nagasiva" <naga...@yronwode.SPAMcom> wrote in message
Tom
"gypsywulf" <maryan...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> No such thing as luck - it is synchronicity or energy burps, Magick is
the
> conduit or conductor of energy, good luck is us feigning surprise that
the
> universe does respond to us and bad luck is a way of denying the lesson
the
> universe is trying to send us.
Well, that's one version, but here's another.
No such thing as synchronicity, either. It's just a post hoc attribution
of significance to selected similarities between random events.
Magick is the conduit of the same power that allows us to tell good
stories. Good luck is just our way of describing an event that we like.
Bad luck is just our way of describing an event that we don't like. Since
what we like or don't like depends largely on the context in which it
occurs, it changes over time, as our viewpoint moves through space, time,
and mind. Thus what seems like bad luck now may in fact be seen as good
luck later, or vice versa.
Joseph
something as big as the universe probly still has a few secrets NOT revealed
by the mages of alt.magick, at least not yet.
joseph
Blazin' Tommy D.
Joseph <jos...@pacbell.net> wrote in article
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> nagasiva wrote:
> >
> > 50020314 VI
> >
> > "Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
> > >>> Luck and Magic are two words that should never be used in
> > >>> the same sentence.
> >
> > nagasiva:
> > >> yeah? if magic = belief, as you say, then what does luck = ?
> >
> > " Bruce Burhans" <bbur...@earthlink.net>:
[snip]
Bruce Burhans
"Joseph" <jos...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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How dare you say such a sensible thing?
Bruce<+>
Blazin' Tommy D.
cat's not a superfluous bitch
she's a very interesting person
and could discuss a broad range of subjects making for a very enjoyable
consversation
Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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Bruce Burhans
> Now that's not very nice BB
> cat's not a superfluous bitch
> she's a very interesting person
> and could discuss a broad range of subjects making for a very
enjoyable
> consversation
>
No doubt. And if that was all she did, the world would
be a better place.
You are a fine one to talk about being nice, considering
that most of the time you behave like a teenage punk.
Bruce<+>
Psyche
Ever notice how the stars aren't in neat little rows...?
--Psyche
X MCH S* W++(--) N+++ PDI/PPA/PEC D* X
X The most violent element in society X
X is ignorance. X
X http://www.spiralnature.com X
X Dd Dr+ A a+ C+++(42) G+ Q 666- Y+ Z X
Blazin' Tommy D.
CI
Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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>
> "Blazin' Tommy D." <td...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:01c1cd32$995ef2c0$d8865f18@federalist...
> > Now that's not very nice BB
> > cat's not a superfluous bitch
> > she's a very interesting person
> > and could discuss a broad range of subjects making for a very
> enjoyable
> > consversation
> >
>
> No doubt. And if that was all she did, the world would
> be a better place.
> You are a fine one to talk about being nice, considering
> that most of the time you behave like a teenage punk.
BTD: I do?
Bruce Burhans
> That's all she does do
> CI
>
About the sort of response I.d expect from someone
who thinks that America is a free country.
Minds are like parachutes: They only work when
they're open.
Blazin' Tommy D.
Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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Bruce Burhans
> Alan Bloom is a dork
>
If he said "Mind's are like parachutes, they only work
when they're open," then he is anything but a dork, and
if you ever say anything half as sage as that, I'll be shocked.
And Cat is still a real bitch a good percentage of the time
Bruce<+>
> Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
> <oo8l8.22730$P4.20...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> >
> > "Blazin' Tommy D." <td...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:01c1cdb5$6ad62bc0$d8865f18@federalist...
> > > That's all she does do
> > > CI
> > >
> >
> > About the sort of response I.d expect from someone
> > who thinks that America is a free country.
> > Minds are like parachutes: They only work when
> > they're open.
> >
> > Bruce<+>
> >
[snip]
Blazin' Tommy D.
sovereignty.
Others prefer monarchy or fascism because they're lazy and can't get over
the fact that they're mortal, when you die it's all over and the only thing
special in your life is what you yourself make of it which no one can do
except yourself.
But I suppose those that do look create a demand and then we have dorks
like Alan Bloom
The result is his Andy Warhol 15 mins of fame and a few thousand dollars to
create irreparable harm by inspiring Nixon Nazis to go around pretending to
be some sort of romantic revolutionaries because the same as Hitler
admitted in Mein Kampf
no one would pay attention to them unless the people thought they were
socialists. Rather than merely being a whore he's a fraud
In similar regard you've found trusted friends in Leo and his slave boys
Joey Biroxo and Henry Satyr, they too start shit with people for no reason,
no interest and thus they shall end in misery for they rip through and
against the grain of justice. There is and was no initial injury to
themselves or you by me or cat but it makes you and them feel better than
someone to pick on the innocent and unsuspecting people. If you want
definitions, how about low and despicable. It's that. So go play with them
but remember the expression "if you want to run with the big dogs you have
to shit with the big dogs too".
Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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Bruce Burhans
I don't have to do anything I don't want to do.
And if you keep posting garbage to me, I'm going to
quit reading them.
Blazin' Tommy D.
Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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catherine yronwode
> Cat is still a real bitch a good percentage of the time
Play nice, now, or i'll sic Joel biroco's attorney on you!
cat yronwode
Hoodoo in Theory and Practice -- http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html
Bruce Burhans
Done.
Get a fucking life.
Bruce<+>
"Blazin' Tommy D." <td...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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Joseph
nice to see you back in the fray cat, did i miss the link to nagas pink floyd site?
joseph
catherine yronwode
>
> did i miss the link to nagas pink floyd site?
The Syd Barrett Lyrics site (which does not include the post-Syd
adventures of the Floyd) is at http://www.luckymojo.com/barrett -- and
siva says to tell you that it is not complete yet; further refinements
are expected during the next two weeks. In my opinion, the best part is
the "songstories" portion of the site, which contains comments from
various sources about the lyrics themselves.
cat yronwode
Joseph
thanks cat, does siva plan a post syd barrett compilation? as good as the
early stuff is the latter stuff is very interesting also. ive tried several
times to transcribe "several species of small furry creatures gathered
together in a cave grooving with a pict" from umma gumma but have never been successful.
joseph
Blazin' Tommy D.
Bruce Burhans <bbur...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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catherine yronwode
>
> does siva plan a post syd barrett compilation? as good as the
> early stuff is the latter stuff is very interesting also. ive tried
> several times to transcribe "several species of small furry creatures
> gathered together in a cave grooving with a pict" from umma gumma but
> have never been successful.
Siva ( calling out to me from his computer, at the other end of our
office) says that his site is only for Syd Barrett lyrics and associated
Barrett data, but that a link-list of post-Syd Floyd lyrics is archived
at the Laughing Madcaps Yahoo group at this URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/laughingmadcaps/links
Once you are at that location, you will see a folder called
"THE PINK FLOYD (Trans-Barrett)"
and if you click on it, you will find what you seek!
Happy hunting!
cat yronwode
Hoodoo and Blues Lyrics --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/blues.html