Definition Of Sanity
Koos Nolst Trenite
10 April 2004
{HRI 20040410}
Sanity is being able
to look through the deceptions, masks and tricks that you
and others are immersed in, pushed into and continuously
subjected to,
or causing, or aiding,
and
of course includes also the desire to do that looking, to
exert that ability, and to choose one's course of life
and one's actions accordingly - both towards oneself and
towards others.
So you see (maybe if you read the definition again), that the
level or amount of Sanity of any person, is continuously going
up and down.
Also, your Sanity can be very high in some areas of life, in
some subjects and activities, and at the same time your Sanity
can be very low in another subject or part of life.
A typical example is the subject of Life Energy *(1)
- that what gives you emotions and your joy of life,
and what even determines most of your personal
and intimate relations, or the lack or failure of
it, and also monitors directly your ability to use
your talents, as well as your awareness of these -
which is that much hidden and not looked at, that most
people quite correctly could be considered highly lacking
in Sanity in that area. *(2)
Further you can be aware of the fact, that a deception that you
are immersed in, is normally not visible to you or felt by you,
which is obvious by the very definition of 'deception'
itself, as
it carries the intention of the person(s) who
deceive you, to bring that immersion about in you,
or the deceiver uses an already existing blindness,
that you have to certain types of deception: He or
she makes use of a blindness, that has already been
installed in you.
To give an easy and common example:
By keeping boys and girls (or even men and
women) apart, or by not letting them talk with
each other about the feelings they have or do
not have for each other,
which exchange would be necessary,
to examine one's own feelings,
and
to compare these with other
feelings, and
to know and understand the
feelings of others, and
to compare these with one's OWN
standards and one's OWN goals for
personal relations, and
to determine with whom one can
share, or chooses to share, or not
to share
which feelings, and how
intensely, and with what
responsibilities and
intentions for another you
desire to do so, and
to determine what feelings
another is able to share, or
chooses to share, or not to share,
and with what
responsibilities and
intentions, or lack of it,
another shares his or her
feelings,
or how many he or she may
hide, or pretend, or deceive
you and others or even
himself or herself about,
by preventing that exchange to occur, and thus
preventing that understanding to come about,
you are creating so many blind spots,
that "men can not understand women" or
that "women can not understand men."
And you have been made extremely vulnerable
by not understanding these feelings of
yourself or of others,
and you find it difficult to choose which
feelings to express - when and to whom, and
how much or how little, or "maybe better not
at all,"
and it has made you very, very unhappy at
times.
The whole matter has gotten so bad, that you are
taught that "you HAVE to deceive others," or even
yourself,
in order to try and achieve fulfillment or
happiness,
rather than expressing your feelings,
rather than showing these and talking about them
with others (not with hateful or insane individuals,
of course, but with normal people)
of whom you know they do appreciate that you
show them your true feelings.
Who do YOU like most? Those who express their
true feelings towards you.
So, if you want to become popular...
A Sane person looks through the deceptions, and treats people
as they are.
And that is a tremendous joy, because there is nothing
more beautiful and lovable than people as they really are.
Also, normal people love to be really looked at, to be
really seen as they are.
How much does it cost you, to do them that biggest favor of
all?
Nothing other than you exerting your desire to be Sane.
Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet
'God gave Solomon wisdom
and very great insight,
and a breadth of understanding
as measureless
as the sand on the seashore.'
1 Kings 4:29
_________
Footnotes:
(1) 'The Nature Of The Cosmos As Seen From Earth' (Version 1.0)
(29 August 2001)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0211060029.323b80d9%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
(2) 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind' (Version 2.0) {HRI 20021018-V2.0}
(18 October 2002 - V2.0 on 10 October 2003)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0310101357.3ecabe19%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
__________
References:
'Definition Of Insane - Relation To Humor' (5 Feb 2003)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0302160841.7730fa14%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
'The Trinity Of Science - Truth, Love and Beauty (Version 2.1)
{HRI 20030307-pi-1-V2.1}' (7 March 2003 - V2.1 on 17 October 2003)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.0310180348.7cf1b6f5%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
'Definition of 'Below "Cause"' (28 March 2004) {HRI 20040328}
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3b6f518d.04032...@posting.google.com&output=gplain
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Carole
This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
properly before being posted. However, I get the point.
Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.
P.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-12-04@limbercartel.com M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 12, 2004
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> Ambassador...@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
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> This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
> properly before being posted. However, I get the point.
>
> Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
> which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
> which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.
By your definition, you are conventional and I am not.
Oh, and I snipped your URl of your racist, bigoted and whacko websites.
Koos Nolst Trenite
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The Author
Gene Douglas
The best definition is "to be the one carrying the keys." That makes it
much easier to tell.
Pulkit
>
> 10 April 2004
> {HRI 20040410}
>
>
Interesting write-up and a quite reflective one indeed. However, I
strongly feel that sanity or insanity are purly experiential,
subjective and dynamic constructs and an attempt to define them, no
matter how sincere is bound to be a tantalizing one. Another issue
which needs to be considered is a political one, i.e. if we say that
"A" is sanity and rest all is insanity, then we are without any good
evidence labeling many people as insane. We are unconsciously
asserting a baseless argument that "I'm sane, you are insane."
Regards
Pulkit
Postgraduate student, department of psychology
University of Delhi, India.
David Wright
Carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Ambassador...@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
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>
>This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
>properly before being posted. However, I get the point.
>
>Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
>which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
>which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.
A group that most certainly includes you, given that you're willing to
swallow most anything as long as it's labeled "unconventional" or
"alternative" or "conspiracy."
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
Michele
Keys AND the cigarette lighter/matches....<G>
geezerguy
The insane that I have met seem to have an interior environment that
is simular to a picture painted on glass that has been broken.
Carole
> "Carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> > Ambassador...@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
> news:<3b6f518d.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
> > properly before being posted. However, I get the point.
> >
> > Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
> > which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
> > which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.
>
> By your definition, you are conventional and I am not.
Conventional medicine denied the value of nutritional remedies e.g.,
doctors get 3 hours tutoring on this topic out of a 3-4 year course.
Why would you see yourself as conventional? You are deluded and
aberrated obviously.
> Oh, and I snipped your URl of your racist, bigoted and whacko websites.
I haven't got "websites", just one website with many web pages. Once
again the description of 'whacko' is your value system and strictly
within the confines of establishment propaganda i.e., you don't think
for yourself but let the system tell you what is right or wrong. By
definition you are therefore mind-controlled.
You do realise that the media is increasingly being brought under the
control of fewer owners, meaning that there is less diversity of
opinion and more opportunity for control of propaganda.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html
Carole
> In article <77ed1283.04041...@posting.google.com>,
> Carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >Ambassador...@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
> >news:<3b6f518d.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> >This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
> >properly before being posted. However, I get the point.
> >
> >Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
> >which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
> >which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.
>
> A group that most certainly includes you, given that you're willing to
> swallow most anything as long as it's labeled "unconventional" or
> "alternative" or "conspiracy."
Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
confusion. See
Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
alternative news.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
The subversion of the free press by the CIA.
"The cost of disinforming the world cost ... a budget larger than the
combined expenditures of Reuters, UPI and the AP news syndicates."
But you on the other hand, believe anything that is put out by the
conventional mob even if it doesn't make sense.
Carey Gregory
>Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
>confusion.
Some people are easily confused.
>See Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
>hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
>alternative news.
Now there's a low paying, entry level job.
P.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-16-04@limbercartel.com M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 16, 2004
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> > "Carole" <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> > > Ambassador...@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
> > news:<3b6f518d.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
> > > properly before being posted. However, I get the point.
> > >
> > > Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
> > > which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
> > > which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.
> >
> > By your definition, you are conventional and I am not.
>
> Conventional medicine denied the value of nutritional remedies e.g.,
> doctors get 3 hours tutoring on this topic out of a 3-4 year course.
> Why would you see yourself as conventional? You are deluded and
> aberrated obviously.
Only to you, sweetums. You see a conspiracy under every rock and a black
helicopter in every backyard.
> > Oh, and I snipped your URl of your racist, bigoted and whacko websites.
>
> I haven't got "websites", just one website with many web pages.
Your silly semantics aside, you promote bigotry.
Once
> again the description of 'whacko' is your value system and strictly
> within the confines of establishment propaganda i.e., you don't think
> for yourself but let the system tell you what is right or wrong. By
> definition you are therefore mind-controlled.
Sweetums, you have to say that those who think you are a nut do not think
for themselves, since not doing so would be a living nightmare for you.
> You do realise that the media is increasingly being brought under the
> control of fewer owners, meaning that there is less diversity of
> opinion and more opportunity for control of propaganda.
> http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html
Oh, I agree that there is far too much centralization of ownership, but, I
do not think it is the whacko conspiracy crap you portray it to be.
David Wright
Carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>wri...@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote in message
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>> In article <77ed1283.04041...@posting.google.com>,
>> Carole <hubbc...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >Ambassador...@hotmail.com (Koos Nolst Trenite) wrote in message
>> >news:<3b6f518d.04041...@posting.google.com>...
>> >
>> >This article would have been more readable if it was formatted
>> >properly before being posted. However, I get the point.
>> >
>> >Sanity goes hand in hand with being to handle cognitions without bias,
>> >which means distinguishing between truth and propaganda ...something
>> >which most conventional people don't seem to be capable of.
>>
>> A group that most certainly includes you, given that you're willing to
>> swallow most anything as long as it's labeled "unconventional" or
>> "alternative" or "conspiracy."
>
>Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
>confusion. See
>Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
>hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
>alternative news.
I've read a lot of nonsense on the net, much of it posted by you.
Just because you read something doesn't make it true.
>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
>The subversion of the free press by the CIA.
Which does not make your fondly-held beliefs about cell salts true,
you know.
>But you on the other hand, believe anything that is put out by the
>conventional mob even if it doesn't make sense.
You don't know what I believe. Well, you know that I believe that
you're a credulous idiot. But in fairness to me, I only believe that
because you are a credulous idiot. What do I care if you believe in
zero-point energy, or that cell salts cure all diseases? You know
nothing about physics, so your belief in the former is unimportant,
and I know enough about physics, chemistry, and biology to know that
your beloved cell salts are nonsense. But if they make you happy, you
just go right ahead and believe.
Kristofer D. Dale
short of "stark raving mad" is dependant upon the extent to which one's
own opinion differs from that of the "insane"... ;^]
--
_o Kristofer Dale,
_ \<,_ ragged individualist,
_____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large...
p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org
Transcend Duality
Isn't there an old poem...
All the world is insane
Except for you and I, my friend.
And even you
Seem a little odd to me.
:)
--
Mindfulness generates Mindfulness
--
Mindfulness generates mindfulness
NoRoots
The father of Nihilism said,
Insantiy is Rane in the Individual,
but in groups, orginzations, nations, and epochs it is the Rule.
Carole
> >Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
> >confusion. See
> >Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
> >hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
> >alternative news.
>
> I've read a lot of nonsense on the net, much of it posted by you.
> Just because you read something doesn't make it true.
Doesn't make it UNTRUE either.
> >http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
> >The subversion of the free press by the CIA.
>
> Which does not make your fondly-held beliefs about cell salts true,
> you know.
Doesn't mean its untrue either. Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies. I wouldn't expect
conventional people to understand nutritional remedies. But not only
are you totally devoid of any real understanding of health, but you
are also brainwashed, because the goals of conventional medical
schooling are:
1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
drugs
2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
"science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes
3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
thinking for themselves are need "guidance"
4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
delusion i.e., placebo effect.
> >But you on the other hand, believe anything that is put out by the
> >conventional mob even if it doesn't make sense.
>
> You don't know what I believe. Well, you know that I believe that
> you're a credulous idiot. But in fairness to me, I only believe that
> because you are a credulous idiot. What do I care if you believe in
> zero-point energy, or that cell salts cure all diseases? You know
> nothing about physics, so your belief in the former is unimportant,
> and I know enough about physics, chemistry, and biology to know that
> your beloved cell salts are nonsense. But if they make you happy, you
> just go right ahead and believe.
I believe you are full of it. You don't know anything about physics
either - just the crap they let you learn ... oh, and a few false
notions that support distorted reality.
dlrogers
> wri...@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote in message news:<yB0gc.9243
Claim #1
> > >Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
> > >hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
> > >alternative news.
Claim #2
> Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
> a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies.
Claim #3
> the goals of conventional medical
> schooling are:
>
> 1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
> drugs
> 2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
> "science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes
> 3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
> thinking for themselves are need "guidance"
> 4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
> delusion i.e., placebo effect.
Three claims, none backed by facts. You just throw out numbers and claims
as if they were real.
Where for instance do you get the notion that there are 3 (Not 4, not 2,
three
and only 3!) hours of instruction on "nutritional remedies?"
I assume you have taught in a medical school?
And healing arts based "solely on the use of pharmaceutical drugs?" Please
back that up, and while you are at it, explain surgery, "bedside manner,"
osteopathic
medicine, phusical therapy.
Let me guess: you are still a fan of Velikovsky, aren't you?
Dan R.
Master of Card XII
Order of the detrevnI Buckyball
--
________________________________________
There is a way to go through life
other than being dragged kicking and screaming.
David Wright
I didn't write *any* of the material you quoted, you jerkoff. It was
all material written by someone else. If you can't manage to handle
attributions, get an adult to help you.
Gymmy Bob
piss is the expression they were taught.
Go to a car mechanic. They have as much training in natural supplements
usually and they charge a lot less per hour.
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>
> > >Not me, I know there is a lot of disinformation put out to cause
> > >confusion. See
> > >Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
> > >hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
> > >alternative news.
> >
> > I've read a lot of nonsense on the net, much of it posted by you.
> > Just because you read something doesn't make it true.
>
> Doesn't make it UNTRUE either.
Carole, let's put it this way, if you believe it, it is most definitely
untrue.
Let me know when you visit Las Vegas. I'll stake you to a few hundred on the
roulette wheel, and will bet against you. IU go home a millionaire.
> > >http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
> > >The subversion of the free press by the CIA.
> >
> > Which does not make your fondly-held beliefs about cell salts true,
> > you know.
>
> Doesn't mean its untrue either. Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
> a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies.
Yawn. Dispromevn more times than you have salts on your head.
I wouldn't expect
> conventional people to understand nutritional remedies. But not only
> are you totally devoid of any real understanding of health, but you
> are also brainwashed, because the goals of conventional medical
> schooling are:
Drivel deleted. More whacko ravings.
P.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-19-04@limbercartel.com M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 19, 2004
Carole keeps her reality check in a Klein Bottle.
Carole
>
> Claim #1
> > > >Operation Mockingbird. For instance, I have heard that people are
> > > >hired by the CIA to write fiction to confuse people who read
> > > >alternative news.
>
> Claim #2
> > Doctors get 3 hours instruction out of
> > a 4-year course on nutrutional remedies.
>
> Claim #3
> > the goals of conventional medical
> > schooling are:
> >
> > 1. To teach the healing arts based solely on the use of pharmaceutical
> > drugs
> > 2. To brainwash students using sleep deprivation, rote learning,
> > "science" backed reasoning to support drug based outcomes
> > 3. To teach the theory that the great unwashed public are incapable of
> > thinking for themselves are need "guidance"
> > 4. The great unwashed public are incapable of logic and are prone to
> > delusion i.e., placebo effect.
>
> Three claims, none backed by facts. You just throw out numbers and claims
> as if they were real.
>
> Where for instance do you get the notion that there are 3 (Not 4, not 2,
> three
> and only 3!) hours of instruction on "nutritional remedies?"
Coverups Uncovered
The Secret History of America
The Greatest Conspiracy On Earth
http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/hiddenus2.html
"Doctors receive less than 3 hours of instruction on nutrition, eating
right and preventative medicine in their entire 4-6 years of training.
"Luis Pasteur, shortly before he died, stated that he was possibly
mistaken about his germ theory. He said that germs and viruses might
be the result of the disease instead of the cause. The way this could
be explained is that the body overloads on toxic build-up and produces
symptoms of stress, then necessary bacteria or viruses move in to
scavenge the toxins, creating an abundance of these in the system, and
leaving a super toxic waste by-product behind, which the body has a
difficult time expelling. Therefore the presence of the virus or high
bacteria count is a result of the disease and not the cause. "
> I assume you have taught in a medical school?
You assume correctly - not.
> And healing arts based "solely on the use of pharmaceutical drugs?" Please
Self explanatory.
> back that up, and while you are at it, explain surgery, "bedside manner,"
Humour the patient, don't take them too seriously after all "we" know
better, they are often deluded, prone to accepting placebos instead of
real treatment, fanciful etc.
> osteopathic
> medicine, phusical therapy.
My only problem with conventional medicine is the pharmaceutical drug
based remedies for illness. Osteopathy and physical therapies don't
come into this category.
> Let me guess: you are still a fan of Velikovsky, aren't you?
http://knowledge.co.uk/velikovsky/
Many scientists and historians have criticised Velikovsky's works over
the years, unfortunately, many have done so inaccurately resulting in
the public's misconception that Velikovsky was "completely proved
wrong".
> Dan R.
> Master of Card XII
> Order of the detrevnI Buckyball
P.r.o.b.e.r.t 04-21-04@limbercartel.com M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 21 2004
> "Doctors receive less than 3 hours of instruction on nutrition, eating
> right and preventative medicine in their entire 4-6 years of training.
But they get 1134 hours o fhomework from just those three hours of classroom
instruction.