How do i make women feel respected??
Michael Forest
This posting is about me wanting advice on showing
respect to women in general and specifically my situation.
Any feedback for either one is *greatly* appriciated!!!
*******************************************************************
here goes:
Dear lovers in life,
I know this girl I like her very much. Not so much in love, but indeed
when I am with her I feel happier, coz she's so full of energy.
My question to ya'll is: how do I make an honest, clear for both
parties approach, without being disrespectful to her? I mean, I can
kiss and touch her if I want, but I don't want it to be "just"
that....how do I make her feel, that I respect her for who she is? and
more.....I basically want to be totally *not* the guy she broke up
with...
Anyway, it just happened so that indeed we are closer a friend than
other ppl she hangs out with. I just feel we have something
special/more than others.....having shared our moments and all...
Whenever I truely have lust-feelings towards her, I stop seeing her
for a while till it's settled down again, to me these feelings are
just a fling (but I am a man and I have them!). I don't feel insecure
when she for instance goes out with a guy or what/whomever....she
ain't got no responsibilities towards me, right?
So she'll go away for > 7 months traineeship next year, big deal,
she'll come back right? No worries whatsoever...
I think I do things, behave respectful towards her, but she doesn't
feel it, I feel....how does one make it more evident ??? help me here,
please???
I cannot tell her " I respect you"...that's the line of her ex-BF, and
she doesn't buy it.....it's just words.....I need hints for actions...
Here's what I've done so far, this year...
example: me, her and her twin went out for dinner as a intimate
celebration of my b'day, I paid the check but almost couldn't, it was
a real scene, but I eventually paid, she was stuffing money in my hand
on the way home....for me that was wrong...but I felt like I HAD to do
it, being my b'day and all PLUS I already work and get paid well,
while they are student living of a grant and getting paid lousy at the
local shoe-store. So what I did here was appropriate or not?
example2: I gave her twin a dinner-check for her and her BF, why? coz
I felt like they hadn't spend any quality-time together in a long time
(she also often tells me that she and him don't see e/o often)...so
that was my way of saying: I like you and you deserve happiness.
example3: I like photography ALOT, goes well too, getting better and
better, anyway my life-time assignment is to take pictures of all my
loved ones, friends, family in such a way that the picture'll show me
how I feel about them, how I see them. Well I asked this girl too and
at first she avoided my request and recently , outta da blue, when we
spoke over the phone, she mentioned it again and agreed into letting
me take her picture after some serious, long thinking on her side....I
almost forgot actually (it was like 2 months ago, never mentioning it
ever since)...it's really a compliment for me...
In general, I do things with and for her which not only make me feel
good myself, but also try to have her have a great time (with me).
Nothing degrading, no needy things, nothing too much laid out there..
Thank you alot !!!!
Michael
nutm...@my-deja.com
michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
> *******************************************************************
> This posting is about me wanting advice on showing
> respect to women in general and specifically my situation.
> Any feedback for either one is *greatly* appriciated!!!
> *******************************************************************
A man who doesn't know how to respect women?
But, I read on
> here goes:
>
> Dear lovers in life,
>
> I know this girl I like her very much. Not so much in love, but indeed
> when I am with her I feel happier, coz she's so full of energy.
That's great.
>
> My question to ya'll is: how do I make an honest, clear for both
> parties approach, without being disrespectful to her? I mean, I can
> kiss and touch her if I want, but I don't want it to be "just"
> that....how do I make her feel, that I respect her for who she is? and
> more.....I basically want to be totally *not* the guy she broke up
> with...
So, do you like her for a friend or a possible lover?
>
> Anyway, it just happened so that indeed we are closer a friend than
> other ppl she hangs out with. I just feel we have something
> special/more than others.....having shared our moments and all...
>
> Whenever I truely have lust-feelings towards her, I stop seeing her
> for a while till it's settled down again, to me these feelings are
> just a fling (but I am a man and I have them!). I don't feel insecure
> when she for instance goes out with a guy or what/whomever....she
> ain't got no responsibilities towards me, right?
Why? You don't trust your feelings?
Maybe she feels the same way as you.
>
> So she'll go away for > 7 months traineeship next year, big deal,
> she'll come back right? No worries whatsoever...
She may be involved with someone else by then.
>
> I think I do things, behave respectful towards her, but she doesn't
> feel it, I feel....how does one make it more evident ??? help me here,
> please???
You show her respect by taking her for who she is, it doesn't mean not
to act on sexual urges. She may even want that.
>
> I cannot tell her " I respect you"...that's the line of her ex-BF, and
> she doesn't buy it.....it's just words.....I need hints for actions...
> Here's what I've done so far, this year...
You show her by how you treat her, what you say and how you say it.
>
> example: me, her and her twin went out for dinner as a intimate
> celebration of my b'day, I paid the check but almost couldn't, it was
> a real scene, but I eventually paid, she was stuffing money in my hand
> on the way home....for me that was wrong...but I felt like I HAD to do
> it, being my b'day and all PLUS I already work and get paid well,
> while they are student living of a grant and getting paid lousy at the
> local shoe-store. So what I did here was appropriate or not?
No! It wasn't disrespectful, but it was your birthday and she offered
you money towards the dinner because obviously she felt you were worth
it. You should have accepted it graciously.
>
> example2: I gave her twin a dinner-check for her and her BF, why? coz
> I felt like they hadn't spend any quality-time together in a long time
> (she also often tells me that she and him don't see e/o often)...so
> that was my way of saying: I like you and you deserve happiness.
That's sweet.
>
> example3: I like photography ALOT, goes well too, getting better and
> better, anyway my life-time assignment is to take pictures of all my
> loved ones, friends, family in such a way that the picture'll show me
> how I feel about them, how I see them. Well I asked this girl too and
> at first she avoided my request and recently , outta da blue, when we
> spoke over the phone, she mentioned it again and agreed into letting
> me take her picture after some serious, long thinking on her side....I
> almost forgot actually (it was like 2 months ago, never mentioning it
> ever since)...it's really a compliment for me...
That is a very good sign, a photographer also asked me to do a shoot and
I didn't feel comfortable with him so I said no.
>
> In general, I do things with and for her which not only make me feel
> good myself, but also try to have her have a great time (with me).
> Nothing degrading, no needy things, nothing too much laid out there..
Then you are doing fine.
You need to think about where you want the relationship to go, and act
on it.
>
> Thank you alot !!!!
Good-Luck
>
> Michael
>
>
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Michael Forest
>In article <3755211a...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
>> *******************************************************************
>> This posting is about me wanting advice on showing
>> respect to women in general and specifically my situation.
>> Any feedback for either one is *greatly* appriciated!!!
>> *******************************************************************
> At first I thought, what is this??
>A man who doesn't know how to respect women?
>But, I read on
Yeah come to think of it, yeah, it really sounds a tad daft.....
>> I know this girl I like her very much. Not so much in love, but indeed
>> when I am with her I feel happier, coz she's so full of energy.
>
>That's great.
isn't it?
>> more.....I basically want to be totally *not* the guy she broke up
>> with...
>
>So, do you like her for a friend or a possible lover?
Of course a lover, I have plenty friends....I see great things
happening...
>> Whenever I truely have lust-feelings towards her, I stop seeing her
>> for a while till it's settled down again, to me these feelings are
>> just a fling (but I am a man and I have them!). I don't feel insecure
>> when she for instance goes out with a guy or what/whomever....she
>> ain't got no responsibilities towards me, right?
>
>Why? You don't trust your feelings?
>Maybe she feels the same way as you.
Probably, I am not completly sure, wheter to go all the way or flirt
some more, give her more clues as to how much I like her, and then go
for it......
>>
>> So she'll go away for > 7 months traineeship next year, big deal,
>> she'll come back right? No worries whatsoever...
>
>She may be involved with someone else by then.
Well, no...and even if she does, then it's my fault...so I have
somewhat of half a year left....
>>
>> I think I do things, behave respectful towards her, but she doesn't
>> feel it, I feel....how does one make it more evident ??? help me here,
>> please???
>
>You show her respect by taking her for who she is, it doesn't mean not
>to act on sexual urges. She may even want that.
And this is where I chicken out abit, okay kissing is fine, but it's
always a disguised kiss, ya know...the peck-ritual and I close with a
one or two second open lip kiss, very nice....
>>
>> I cannot tell her " I respect you"...that's the line of her ex-BF, and
>> she doesn't buy it.....it's just words.....I need hints for actions...
>> Here's what I've done so far, this year...
>
>You show her by how you treat her, what you say and how you say it.
That's my question, what more can I do, which will be clearly
interpreted as showing respect?
>
>No! It wasn't disrespectful, but it was your birthday and she offered
>you money towards the dinner because obviously she felt you were worth
>it. You should have accepted it graciously.
Yeah, but it's just me, but I cannot take money from ppl I know who
can put it to better use....it's just who I am, I always make a deal
that next time she will pick up the check, this way I get another date
and both parties are content with it....
>>
>> example2: I gave her twin a dinner-check for her and her BF, why? coz
>> I felt like they hadn't spend any quality-time together in a long time
>> (she also often tells me that she and him don't see e/o often)...so
>> that was my way of saying: I like you and you deserve happiness.
>
>That's sweet.
Yeah, nothing much, I try to help whenever I can and notice it....
>>
>> example3: I like photography ALOT, goes well too, getting better and
>> better, anyway my life-time assignment is to take pictures of all my
>> loved ones, friends, family in such a way that the picture'll show me
>> how I feel about them, how I see them. Well I asked this girl too and
>> at first she avoided my request and recently , outta da blue, when we
>> spoke over the phone, she mentioned it again and agreed into letting
>> me take her picture after some serious, long thinking on her side....I
>> almost forgot actually (it was like 2 months ago, never mentioning it
>> ever since)...it's really a compliment for me...
>
>That is a very good sign, a photographer also asked me to do a shoot and
>I didn't feel comfortable with him so I said no.
I hope so, I think I'll mention it anytime soon and make appointments,
this is also a good time to make things between us more
evident....it's all about timing
>>
>> In general, I do things with and for her which not only make me feel
>> good myself, but also try to have her have a great time (with me).
>> Nothing degrading, no needy things, nothing too much laid out there..
>
>Then you are doing fine.
>You need to think about where you want the relationship to go, and act
>on it.
Yeah sometimes it's hard not to act too much on urges, but she's worth
it.....keeps me sharp...
Bye !
Michael.....
nutm...@my-deja.com
michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:08:02 GMT, nutm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <3755211a...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> > michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
> >> *******************************************************************
> >> This posting is about me wanting advice on showing
> >> respect to women in general and specifically my situation.
> >> Any feedback for either one is *greatly* appriciated!!!
> >> *******************************************************************
> > At first I thought, what is this??
> >A man who doesn't know how to respect women?
> >But, I read on
>
> Yeah come to think of it, yeah, it really sounds a tad daft.....
It really did.
>
> >> I know this girl I like her very much. Not so much in love, but
indeed
> >> when I am with her I feel happier, coz she's so full of energy.
> >
> >That's great.
>
> isn't it?
>
> >> more.....I basically want to be totally *not* the guy she broke up
> >> with...
> >
> >So, do you like her for a friend or a possible lover?
>
> Of course a lover, I have plenty friends....I see great things
> happening...
Then it is time to make your move.
>
> >> Whenever I truely have lust-feelings towards her, I stop seeing her
> >> for a while till it's settled down again, to me these feelings are
> >> just a fling (but I am a man and I have them!). I don't feel
insecure
> >> when she for instance goes out with a guy or what/whomever....she
> >> ain't got no responsibilities towards me, right?
> >
> >Why? You don't trust your feelings?
> >Maybe she feels the same way as you.
>
> Probably, I am not completly sure, wheter to go all the way or flirt
> some more, give her more clues as to how much I like her, and then go
> for it......
Give her a long passionate kiss, watch her reaction.
>
> >>
> >> So she'll go away for > 7 months traineeship next year, big deal,
> >> she'll come back right? No worries whatsoever...
> >
> >She may be involved with someone else by then.
>
> Well, no...and even if she does, then it's my fault...so I have
> somewhat of half a year left....
Yes, he who hesitates is lost.
>
> >>
> >> I think I do things, behave respectful towards her, but she doesn't
> >> feel it, I feel....how does one make it more evident ??? help me
here,
> >> please???
> >
> >You show her respect by taking her for who she is, it doesn't mean
not
> >to act on sexual urges. She may even want that.
>
> And this is where I chicken out abit, okay kissing is fine, but it's
> always a disguised kiss, ya know...the peck-ritual and I close with a
> one or two second open lip kiss, very nice....
Make it more than that.
Feel your passion for her.
>
> >>
> >> I cannot tell her " I respect you"...that's the line of her ex-BF,
and
> >> she doesn't buy it.....it's just words.....I need hints for
actions...
> >> Here's what I've done so far, this year...
> >
> >You show her by how you treat her, what you say and how you say it.
>
> That's my question, what more can I do, which will be clearly
> interpreted as showing respect?
I don't know?
I go by how the guy treats me, talks to me.
I'm sure she knows that you do.
>
> >
> >No! It wasn't disrespectful, but it was your birthday and she
offered
> >you money towards the dinner because obviously she felt you were
worth
> >it. You should have accepted it graciously.
>
> Yeah, but it's just me, but I cannot take money from ppl I know who
> can put it to better use....it's just who I am, I always make a deal
> that next time she will pick up the check, this way I get another date
> and both parties are content with it....
Well, it was your birthday.
Yes, go for it.
>
> >>
> >> In general, I do things with and for her which not only make me
feel
> >> good myself, but also try to have her have a great time (with me).
> >> Nothing degrading, no needy things, nothing too much laid out
there..
> >
> >Then you are doing fine.
> >You need to think about where you want the relationship to go, and
act
> >on it.
>
> Yeah sometimes it's hard not to act too much on urges, but she's worth
> it.....keeps me sharp...
Heh, well don't deny them either.
>
> Bye !
>
> Michael.....
Michael Forest
>> >> Whenever I truely have lust-feelings towards her, I stop seeing her
>> >> for a while till it's settled down again, to me these feelings are
>> >> just a fling (but I am a man and I have them!). I don't feel
>insecure
>> >> when she for instance goes out with a guy or what/whomever....she
>> >> ain't got no responsibilities towards me, right?
>> >
>> >Why? You don't trust your feelings?
>> >Maybe she feels the same way as you.
>>
>> Probably, I am not completly sure, wheter to go all the way or flirt
>> some more, give her more clues as to how much I like her, and then go
>> for it......
>
>Give her a long passionate kiss, watch her reaction.
Again my insecurity towards this girl, I feel I want her not as a
friend but as a partner (which includes friendship as well). But I can
feel the "I just wanna be friends, michael" -line already coming, that
is my biggest fear. I don't wanna be just friends. But the kiss is not
much of a problem, I can do it easily, I think she'll let me too.
Perhaps she's just waiting for me to make a move....
Help me out here...I know I am somewhat in a better, higher level of
friend for her. She began changing the three-kiss-cheek ritual
expanding it into a lip-kiss. This began whenever we went out
together. Though bever in the vicinity of other friends/roommates. I
took it over and did the same in front of her sister at first and now
we're at the point where I kiss her full while our mutual friends are
there....
To me I think this is already quite something in the right direction.
>Yes, he who hesitates is lost.
>>
>> >>
>> >> I think I do things, behave respectful towards her, but she doesn't
>> >> feel it, I feel....how does one make it more evident ??? help me
>here,
>> >> please???
>> >
>> >You show her respect by taking her for who she is, it doesn't mean
>not
>> >to act on sexual urges. She may even want that.
>>
>> And this is where I chicken out abit, okay kissing is fine, but it's
>> always a disguised kiss, ya know...the peck-ritual and I close with a
>> one or two second open lip kiss, very nice....
>
>Make it more than that.
>Feel your passion for her.
Meaning what? I think my passion is there, just need ways to express
passion.
>> >You show her by how you treat her, what you say and how you say it.
>>
>> That's my question, what more can I do, which will be clearly
>> interpreted as showing respect?
>
>I don't know?
>I go by how the guy treats me, talks to me.
>I'm sure she knows that you do.
Well, she thought the same thing with her ex-BF and that took like 7
months or so, before she took the step and broke the relationship
off.....
>>
>> >
>> >No! It wasn't disrespectful, but it was your birthday and she
>offered
>> >you money towards the dinner because obviously she felt you were
>worth
>> >it. You should have accepted it graciously.
>>
>> Yeah, but it's just me, but I cannot take money from ppl I know who
>> can put it to better use....it's just who I am, I always make a deal
>> that next time she will pick up the check, this way I get another date
>> and both parties are content with it....
>
>Well, it was your birthday.
So you think it was a good thing to do? I think so, if I have a good
time money doesn't really say much, as long as I got money......I mean
I have no regrets afterwards....
>> >>
>> >> example2: I gave her twin a dinner-check for her and her BF, why?
>coz
>> >> I felt like they hadn't spend any quality-time together in a long
>time
>> >> (she also often tells me that she and him don't see e/o often)...so
>> >> that was my way of saying: I like you and you deserve happiness.
>> >
>> >That's sweet.
>>
>> Yeah, nothing much, I try to help whenever I can and notice it....
Yeah, but now I think abit differently....okay her BF is in a very
confused state of mind right...and she gives him space to find himself
again, let him get back on his feet (he lost both parents within two
years). I feel like I'm in an episode of "Party of Five" sometimes BTW
I LOVE that show!!!
But maybe it's just me right, she answers to my question as to why
they're not so much together, she answers, he must do this by himself
and very often in times like that he's out with his friends drinking
and stuff, so is it just me who has a different view on relationships
(I think so....) but if he feels he has time for his buddies, why not
for his GF? But this can also be a way for him to cope with his
emotions, it's bound to happen (I think).
Anway, I am not so much aware of the status of them right now, but
truely, I feel like the eldest in party of five sometimes.....
>> >That is a very good sign, a photographer also asked me to do a shoot
>and
>> >I didn't feel comfortable with him so I said no.
>>
>> I hope so, I think I'll mention it anytime soon and make appointments,
>> this is also a good time to make things between us more
>> evident....it's all about timing
>
>Yes, go for it.
Well that's probably the most important signs I can think of that make
up my mind as to where I am standing with this girl.....
It's not like I am asking for anyone's permission for me to pursue
this girl, I just like to hear other ppl's opinions about the matter
(okay my insecurity too)
>>
>> >>
>> >> In general, I do things with and for her which not only make me
>feel
>> >> good myself, but also try to have her have a great time (with me).
>> >> Nothing degrading, no needy things, nothing too much laid out
>there..
>> >
>> >Then you are doing fine.
>> >You need to think about where you want the relationship to go, and
>act
>> >on it.
>>
>> Yeah sometimes it's hard not to act too much on urges, but she's worth
>> it.....keeps me sharp...
>
>Heh, well don't deny them either.
If you read my postings you'll know where I wanna take this to.....but
my being distant is my feeling for not acting needy and dependant,
eventhough maybe she's waiting for me to show some initiative.....
Do women sometimes tend to play hard to get just in order to find out
how and what the guy is made of?
Thanks anyways.....
Michael
nutm...@my-deja.com
In article <375adeb0...@news.xs4all.nl>,
michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
You from the Netherlands?
> >> >Why? You don't trust your feelings?
> >> >Maybe she feels the same way as you.
> >>
> >> Probably, I am not completly sure, wheter to go all the way or
flirt
> >> some more, give her more clues as to how much I like her, and then
go
> >> for it......
What do you mean by go all the way?
Of course it is good to show her how much you like her. What's holding
you back from that?
> >
> >Give her a long passionate kiss, watch her reaction.
>
> Again my insecurity towards this girl, I feel I want her not as a
> friend but as a partner (which includes friendship as well). But I can
> feel the "I just wanna be friends, michael" -line already coming, that
> is my biggest fear. I don't wanna be just friends. But the kiss is not
> much of a problem, I can do it easily, I think she'll let me too.
> Perhaps she's just waiting for me to make a move....
Yes! Yes! Yes! Don't let the negative emotions of fear get in your way
of something so nice. If she just wants to be friends - a least you got
a good kiss - right?
>
> Help me out here...I know I am somewhat in a better, higher level of
> friend for her. She began changing the three-kiss-cheek ritual
> expanding it into a lip-kiss. This began whenever we went out
> together. Though bever in the vicinity of other friends/roommates. I
> took it over and did the same in front of her sister at first and now
> we're at the point where I kiss her full while our mutual friends are
> there....
>
> To me I think this is already quite something in the right direction.
Yes it is you need to bring it further.
> >> >You show her respect by taking her for who she is, it doesn't mean
> >not
> >> >to act on sexual urges. She may even want that.
> >>
> >> And this is where I chicken out abit, okay kissing is fine, but
it's
> >> always a disguised kiss, ya know...the peck-ritual and I close with
a
> >> one or two second open lip kiss, very nice....
> >
> >Make it more than that.
> >Feel your passion for her.
>
> Meaning what? I think my passion is there, just need ways to express
> passion.
Well Michael, I can't exactly give you lessons on passion over the
internet! You feel the passion, concentrate on that instead of fear.
It can be how you look at her, holding her hand, kissing her, feeling
her body, there are lots of things.
>
> >> >You show her by how you treat her, what you say and how you say
it.
> >>
> >> That's my question, what more can I do, which will be clearly
> >> interpreted as showing respect?
> >
> >I don't know?
> >I go by how the guy treats me, talks to me.
> >I'm sure she knows that you do.
>
> Well, she thought the same thing with her ex-BF and that took like 7
> months or so, before she took the step and broke the relationship
> off.....
Michael, you can't compare yourself to him. You are not him! How he
treated her is totally different than how you do. If I were you I
wouldn't even go there.
> So you think it was a good thing to do? I think so, if I have a good
> time money doesn't really say much, as long as I got money......I mean
> I have no regrets afterwards....
That is the most important thing, no regrets.
>
> Yeah, but now I think abit differently....okay her BF is in a very
> confused state of mind right...and she gives him space to find himself
> again, let him get back on his feet (he lost both parents within two
> years). I feel like I'm in an episode of "Party of Five" sometimes BTW
> I LOVE that show!!!
It is a good show, I've seen it a few times. Jennifer Love Hewitt.
>
> But maybe it's just me right, she answers to my question as to why
> they're not so much together, she answers, he must do this by himself
> and very often in times like that he's out with his friends drinking
> and stuff, so is it just me who has a different view on relationships
> (I think so....) but if he feels he has time for his buddies, why not
> for his GF? But this can also be a way for him to cope with his
> emotions, it's bound to happen (I think).
I think he is running from his hurt. He is closing himself off, maybe
he doesn't feel comfortable leaning on his gf for emotional support, and
maybe he doesn't feel that close to her, or maybe he is even scared but
can't admit it. I don't know.
> Well that's probably the most important signs I can think of that make
> up my mind as to where I am standing with this girl.....
Well.....she did change her mind about the photography didn't she? That
is saying alot right there.
>
> It's not like I am asking for anyone's permission for me to pursue
> this girl, I just like to hear other ppl's opinions about the matter
> (okay my insecurity too)
I know, I think you just think about it too much (like lots of men) and
not acting enough. Just try to chill out, and follow your feelings.
> If you read my postings you'll know where I wanna take this to.....but
> my being distant is my feeling for not acting needy and dependant,
> eventhough maybe she's waiting for me to show some initiative.....
> Do women sometimes tend to play hard to get just in order to find out
> how and what the guy is made of?
Oh cripes yes. I hate this kind of thing it really bothers me. They do
it to make themselves feel better, like they are worth the chase or
something like that. The best approach is to ask her straight out -
point blank. It might embarrass her, but so what you've got to learn to
protect yourself too, and you are communicating to her that you aren't
up for these silly little games. If she cares about you, it will not
bother her in the least.
>
> Thanks anyways.....
Your Welcome
>
> Michael
Michael forest
>Hi Michael,
>
>In article <375adeb0...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
>
>You from the Netherlands?
well I live in amsterdam, yes...for my work.....Shell services
International
>
>> >> >Why? You don't trust your feelings?
>> >> >Maybe she feels the same way as you.
>> >>
>> >> Probably, I am not completly sure, wheter to go all the way or
>flirt
>> >> some more, give her more clues as to how much I like her, and then
>go
>> >> for it......
>
>What do you mean by go all the way?
>Of course it is good to show her how much you like her. What's holding
>you back from that?
I mean go all the way, meaning: open up completly, not doing the
do...not my style...
>> >
>> >Give her a long passionate kiss, watch her reaction.
>>
>> Again my insecurity towards this girl, I feel I want her not as a
>> friend but as a partner (which includes friendship as well). But I can
>> feel the "I just wanna be friends, michael" -line already coming, that
>> is my biggest fear. I don't wanna be just friends. But the kiss is not
>> much of a problem, I can do it easily, I think she'll let me too.
>> Perhaps she's just waiting for me to make a move....
>
>Yes! Yes! Yes! Don't let the negative emotions of fear get in your way
>of something so nice. If she just wants to be friends - a least you got
>a good kiss - right?
Precisely ! negative fears are not good for me (or anyone for that
matter)....you know what's bothering me? Do you know the feeling of
finally knowing what you had, what was right in front of you and now
it's gone coz you screwed up? Well, that's my biggest fear....I
already know what I have and *can* have, so it's not my lack of
appreciation, perhaps my *surplus* on appreciation, I take to much
into consideration.....
I feel very much for this particular girl, she is so independant, full
of energy, talkative, says what's on her mind, perky, in touch with
herself, all that stuff.....and that's what I like/respect/love about
her.
I think I pretty much made her feel that I am mostly like that too,
and that I like her alot, I "fear' only the next step, which can make
or break what we build in so long. I mean this talking and stuff isn't
probably going to help either. So my action will commence tonite,
reports tomorrow or the day after......this isn't really good timing
really, coz I got exams coming up this thursday too......Oh how I LOVE
the pressure.....!!!!
>>
>> Help me out here...I know I am somewhat in a better, higher level of
>> friend for her. She began changing the three-kiss-cheek ritual
>> expanding it into a lip-kiss. This began whenever we went out
>> together. Though bever in the vicinity of other friends/roommates. I
>> took it over and did the same in front of her sister at first and now
>> we're at the point where I kiss her full while our mutual friends are
>> there....
>>
>> To me I think this is already quite something in the right direction.
>
>Yes it is you need to bring it further.
>
>> >Make it more than that.
>> >Feel your passion for her.
>>
>> Meaning what? I think my passion is there, just need ways to express
>> passion.
>
>Well Michael, I can't exactly give you lessons on passion over the
>internet! You feel the passion, concentrate on that instead of fear.
<giggle> that's not what I am asking either, I just need some *new*
ways for me to be passionate...I have to figure it out myself.....
</how to treat your loved one>
>> Well, she thought the same thing with her ex-BF and that took like 7
>> months or so, before she took the step and broke the relationship
>> off.....
>
>Michael, you can't compare yourself to him. You are not him! How he
>treated her is totally different than how you do. If I were you I
>wouldn't even go there.
Nononono, that's not what I meant.....I mean, I can be myself, it's my
consideration again...I want to know her ex-bf as well, as a
person...for my own personal growth.....in general I want to know
people, what they think, what makes them tick etc....
>> So you think it was a good thing to do? I think so, if I have a good
>> time money doesn't really say much, as long as I got money......I mean
>> I have no regrets afterwards....
>
>That is the most important thing, no regrets.
yeah, like the immortal words of Robbie "That That" Williams
>
>>
>> Yeah, but now I think abit differently....okay her BF is in a very
>> confused state of mind right...and she gives him space to find himself
>> again, let him get back on his feet (he lost both parents within two
>> years). I feel like I'm in an episode of "Party of Five" sometimes BTW
>> I LOVE that show!!!
>
>It is a good show, I've seen it a few times. Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Aw, man.....she's probably one of the weakest characters, she Is
goodlooking though...I like charlie, more......the eldest of the
bunch...it's something which can very well happen to you or someone
close to you....
.........
>> for his GF? But this can also be a way for him to cope with his
>> emotions, it's bound to happen (I think).
>
>I think he is running from his hurt. He is closing himself off, maybe
>he doesn't feel comfortable leaning on his gf for emotional support, and
>maybe he doesn't feel that close to her, or maybe he is even scared but
>can't admit it. I don't know.
Me neither, maybe there's nothing wrong, but I feel sad for them
sometimes...I want to feel they are happy and still now I haven't....
When he stood her up one time when we were all in this bar...she was
so pissed off and bitter cold to him, it made me sad to see them like
that (well he *was* wrong), I hate fights....
>I know, I think you just think about it too much (like lots of men) and
>not acting enough. Just try to chill out, and follow your feelings.
Yeah, I know that is one of my good intentions for this year, I just
need the timing.....
>> Do women sometimes tend to play hard to get just in order to find out
>> how and what the guy is made of?
>
>Oh cripes yes. I hate this kind of thing it really bothers me. They do
>it to make themselves feel better, like they are worth the chase or
>something like that. The best approach is to ask her straight out -
>point blank. It might embarrass her, but so what you've got to learn to
>protect yourself too, and you are communicating to her that you aren't
>up for these silly little games. If she cares about you, it will not
>bother her in the least.
Well, I've developed quite a tough skin for things like this, I open
up very easily, my signal for saying I trust you and I am being
totally honest.
bye,
Michael
nutm...@my-deja.com
> >
> >You from the Netherlands?
>
> well I live in amsterdam, yes...for my work.....Shell services
> International
That's cool, you like it there?
> >What do you mean by go all the way?
> >Of course it is good to show her how much you like her. What's
holding
> >you back from that?
>
> I mean go all the way, meaning: open up completly, not doing the
> do...not my style...
Alright, just had to clarify that. Be careful opening yourself up too
much in the beginning.
> >> Perhaps she's just waiting for me to make a move....
> >
> >Yes! Yes! Yes! Don't let the negative emotions of fear get in your
way
> >of something so nice. If she just wants to be friends - a least you
got
> >a good kiss - right?
>
> Precisely ! negative fears are not good for me (or anyone for that
> matter)....you know what's bothering me? Do you know the feeling of
> finally knowing what you had, what was right in front of you and now
> it's gone coz you screwed up? Well, that's my biggest fear....I
> already know what I have and *can* have, so it's not my lack of
> appreciation, perhaps my *surplus* on appreciation, I take to much
> into consideration.....
Yes you do, but what can you do about it really? That's how life is, no
one is perfect and every single person alive has done stuff like that.
The more you worry about it, the worse it becomes. Fear can spiral out
of control very easily for some people and it's just not worth it. It
is destructive.
>
> I feel very much for this particular girl, she is so independant, full
> of energy, talkative, says what's on her mind, perky, in touch with
> herself, all that stuff.....and that's what I like/respect/love about
> her.
>
> I think I pretty much made her feel that I am mostly like that too,
> and that I like her alot, I "fear' only the next step, which can make
> or break what we build in so long. I mean this talking and stuff isn't
> probably going to help either. So my action will commence tonite,
> reports tomorrow or the day after......this isn't really good timing
> really, coz I got exams coming up this thursday too......Oh how I LOVE
> the pressure.....!!!!
Heh, well nothing is good timing with me either. Just how it goes.
> >> To me I think this is already quite something in the right
direction.
> >
> >Yes it is you need to bring it further.
> >
> >> >Make it more than that.
> >> >Feel your passion for her.
> >>
> >> Meaning what? I think my passion is there, just need ways to
express
> >> passion.
> >
> >Well Michael, I can't exactly give you lessons on passion over the
> >internet! You feel the passion, concentrate on that instead of fear.
>
> <giggle> that's not what I am asking either, I just need some *new*
> ways for me to be passionate...I have to figure it out myself.....
Okay! Silly, why don't you read some books about it? That's what I do,
well......not like you have time with exams and everything either.
>
> </how to treat your loved one>
Follow your heart.
>
> >> Well, she thought the same thing with her ex-BF and that took like
7
> >> months or so, before she took the step and broke the relationship
> >> off.....
> >
> >Michael, you can't compare yourself to him. You are not him! How he
> >treated her is totally different than how you do. If I were you I
> >wouldn't even go there.
>
> Nononono, that's not what I meant.....I mean, I can be myself, it's my
> consideration again...I want to know her ex-bf as well, as a
> person...for my own personal growth.....in general I want to know
> people, what they think, what makes them tick etc....
Oh, I see. He doesn't really concern you right now, and I wouldn't
waste my time even concentrating on him.
> >> Yeah, but now I think abit differently....okay her BF is in a very
> >> confused state of mind right...and she gives him space to find
himself
> >> again, let him get back on his feet (he lost both parents within
two
> >> years). I feel like I'm in an episode of "Party of Five" sometimes
BTW
> >> I LOVE that show!!!
> >
> >It is a good show, I've seen it a few times. Jennifer Love Hewitt.
>
> Aw, man.....she's probably one of the weakest characters, she Is
> goodlooking though...I like charlie, more......the eldest of the
> bunch...it's something which can very well happen to you or someone
> close to you....
Yes, I like Charlie too.
>
> .........
> >> for his GF? But this can also be a way for him to cope with his
> >> emotions, it's bound to happen (I think).
> >
> >I think he is running from his hurt. He is closing himself off,
maybe
> >he doesn't feel comfortable leaning on his gf for emotional support,
and
> >maybe he doesn't feel that close to her, or maybe he is even scared
but
> >can't admit it. I don't know.
>
> Me neither, maybe there's nothing wrong, but I feel sad for them
> sometimes...I want to feel they are happy and still now I haven't....
> When he stood her up one time when we were all in this bar...she was
> so pissed off and bitter cold to him, it made me sad to see them like
> that (well he *was* wrong), I hate fights....
So do I and I've learned that you just got to stop caring at some point,
because these kinds of people usually don't want to listen to you, don't
want to help themselves at all.
>
> >I know, I think you just think about it too much (like lots of men)
and
> >not acting enough. Just try to chill out, and follow your feelings.
>
> Yeah, I know that is one of my good intentions for this year, I just
> need the timing.....
Timing can be everything.
>
> >> Do women sometimes tend to play hard to get just in order to find
out
> >> how and what the guy is made of?
> >
> >Oh cripes yes. I hate this kind of thing it really bothers me. They
do
> >it to make themselves feel better, like they are worth the chase or
> >something like that. The best approach is to ask her straight out -
> >point blank. It might embarrass her, but so what you've got to learn
to
> >protect yourself too, and you are communicating to her that you
aren't
> >up for these silly little games. If she cares about you, it will not
> >bother her in the least.
>
> Well, I've developed quite a tough skin for things like this, I open
> up very easily, my signal for saying I trust you and I am being
> totally honest.
How did you develop a tough skin?
You don't open up until you feel the trust and compassion are there?
It's a hard thing, very personal and tailored specifically to each
individual you are dealing with.
I don't think you could make it through life if you hadn't made a
mistake about the trust issue.
It happens.
Michael Forest
>> Precisely ! negative fears are not good for me (or anyone for that
>> matter)....you know what's bothering me? Do you know the feeling of
>> finally knowing what you had, what was right in front of you and now
>> it's gone coz you screwed up? Well, that's my biggest fear....I
>> already know what I have and *can* have, so it's not my lack of
>> appreciation, perhaps my *surplus* on appreciation, I take to much
>> into consideration.....
>
>Yes you do, but what can you do about it really? That's how life is, no
>one is perfect and every single person alive has done stuff like that.
>The more you worry about it, the worse it becomes. Fear can spiral out
>of control very easily for some people and it's just not worth it. It
>is destructive.
You're right about fear, I let it out of control once and it certainly
backfired, but hey...life's one big lesson.....
>>
>
>Heh, well nothing is good timing with me either. Just how it goes.
Anyway, I spoke to her just this afternoon, we'll do lunch next week,
so that's gonna be the dead-line, hehehehe.....
>> >Well Michael, I can't exactly give you lessons on passion over the
>> >internet! You feel the passion, concentrate on that instead of fear.
>>
>> <giggle> that's not what I am asking either, I just need some *new*
>> ways for me to be passionate...I have to figure it out myself.....
>
>Okay! Silly, why don't you read some books about it? That's what I do,
>well......not like you have time with exams and everything either.
Nah, I think I'll stick to my own judgment.....
>> >Michael, you can't compare yourself to him. You are not him! How he
>> >treated her is totally different than how you do. If I were you I
>> >wouldn't even go there.
>>
>> Nononono, that's not what I meant.....I mean, I can be myself, it's my
>> consideration again...I want to know her ex-bf as well, as a
>> person...for my own personal growth.....in general I want to know
>> people, what they think, what makes them tick etc....
>
>Oh, I see. He doesn't really concern you right now, and I wouldn't
>waste my time even concentrating on him.
He's not the least one of my worries
>> Me neither, maybe there's nothing wrong, but I feel sad for them
>> sometimes...I want to feel they are happy and still now I haven't....
>> When he stood her up one time when we were all in this bar...she was
>> so pissed off and bitter cold to him, it made me sad to see them like
>> that (well he *was* wrong), I hate fights....
>
>So do I and I've learned that you just got to stop caring at some point,
>because these kinds of people usually don't want to listen to you, don't
>want to help themselves at all.
Well, yeah...it all depends, for me I've grown to care for them, it's
part of my nature to care about people I feel close to.
>
>Timing can be everything.
That's why I gotta focus on my exams first and then on this girlie
issue...it's plain simple....it's hard coz, as you know, denying your
feelings is not easy....
>> >up for these silly little games. If she cares about you, it will not
>> >bother her in the least.
>>
>> Well, I've developed quite a tough skin for things like this, I open
>> up very easily, my signal for saying I trust you and I am being
>> totally honest.
>
>How did you develop a tough skin?
It was a very long and painful way, but it's made me to the person who
I am, I must have spoiled several potential relationships by it. With
all but two I am still today great friends with, and it's where I
found peace with.
>You don't open up until you feel the trust and compassion are there?
Nope, I have developed quite a fine sense wether a particular person
is worth my trust or not, it's really a matter of how far are *you*
willing to open up, there's always some level of risk involved, but if
they were to abuse your trust, you know very quick who that person
really is.....
>It's a hard thing, very personal and tailored specifically to each
>individual you are dealing with.
Precisely, for every person I know I have different levels of
openness, not every person is suited for all information, but all are
my friends nonetheless....
>I don't think you could make it through life if you hadn't made a
>mistake about the trust issue.
>It happens.
Believe me, I did.
A word of caution: this "technique" is highly susceptable in becoming
a tool with an undesired effect i.e. the friendship-tool. This whole
discussion about this girl I pursue, She still doesn't know exactly
what I do and who I am....she didn't know untill two/three months ago
that I was a keen photographer for > 10 years.
I focused our connection on partying, cooking (i made dinner for her
once) and sports (we both love to workout).....pretty superficial
stuff, now it's time to let her know my other side.
This was to illustrate how I carefully "planned" this for myself and
to show that not every person is worth your complete heart and soul.
Michael...
nutm...@my-deja.com
michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
> >> Precisely ! negative fears are not good for me (or anyone for that
> >> matter)....you know what's bothering me? Do you know the feeling of
> >> finally knowing what you had, what was right in front of you and
now
> >> it's gone coz you screwed up? Well, that's my biggest fear....I
> >> already know what I have and *can* have, so it's not my lack of
> >> appreciation, perhaps my *surplus* on appreciation, I take to much
> >> into consideration.....
> >
> >Yes you do, but what can you do about it really? That's how life is,
no
> >one is perfect and every single person alive has done stuff like
that.
> >The more you worry about it, the worse it becomes. Fear can spiral
out
> >of control very easily for some people and it's just not worth it.
It
> >is destructive.
>
> You're right about fear, I let it out of control once and it certainly
> backfired, but hey...life's one big lesson.....
Yes it is.
> >>
> >
> >Heh, well nothing is good timing with me either. Just how it goes.
>
> Anyway, I spoke to her just this afternoon, we'll do lunch next week,
> so that's gonna be the dead-line, hehehehe.....
Oh, that's great!
> >So do I and I've learned that you just got to stop caring at some
point,
> >because these kinds of people usually don't want to listen to you,
don't
> >want to help themselves at all.
>
> Well, yeah...it all depends, for me I've grown to care for them, it's
> part of my nature to care about people I feel close to.
Same here.
>
> >
> >Timing can be everything.
>
> That's why I gotta focus on my exams first and then on this girlie
> issue...it's plain simple....it's hard coz, as you know, denying your
> feelings is not easy....
Don't deny them, just put them on a back burn for now.
> >How did you develop a tough skin?
>
> It was a very long and painful way, but it's made me to the person who
> I am, I must have spoiled several potential relationships by it. With
> all but two I am still today great friends with, and it's where I
> found peace with.
That's good that you look at it that way. Lots of men aren't able to do
that.
>
> >You don't open up until you feel the trust and compassion are there?
>
> Nope, I have developed quite a fine sense wether a particular person
> is worth my trust or not, it's really a matter of how far are *you*
> willing to open up, there's always some level of risk involved, but if
> they were to abuse your trust, you know very quick who that person
> really is.....
I agree and I do the same thing. Risk is always involved.
>
> >It's a hard thing, very personal and tailored specifically to each
> >individual you are dealing with.
>
> Precisely, for every person I know I have different levels of
> openness, not every person is suited for all information, but all are
> my friends nonetheless....
>
> >I don't think you could make it through life if you hadn't made a
> >mistake about the trust issue.
> >It happens.
>
> Believe me, I did.
Heh, heh yeah, well everyone does.
>
> A word of caution: this "technique" is highly susceptable in becoming
> a tool with an undesired effect i.e. the friendship-tool. This whole
> discussion about this girl I pursue, She still doesn't know exactly
> what I do and who I am....she didn't know untill two/three months ago
> that I was a keen photographer for > 10 years.
Well, that's what I mean, those things are important parts of who you
are.
> I focused our connection on partying, cooking (i made dinner for her
> once) and sports (we both love to workout).....pretty superficial
> stuff, now it's time to let her know my other side.
Good, for anything to develop you have to do that. Superficial only
goes so far.
>
> This was to illustrate how I carefully "planned" this for myself and
> to show that not every person is worth your complete heart and soul.
You've got that right Michael. I couldn't have said it better myself.
>
> Michael...
Michael forest
>In article <375d419c...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, I spoke to her just this afternoon, we'll do lunch next week,
>> so that's gonna be the dead-line, hehehehe.....
>
>Oh, that's great!
dead-line is changed....dunno when....there's a higher power involved
in this....ah well, I feel it's just another test for my patience...
>> Well, yeah...it all depends, for me I've grown to care for them, it's
>> part of my nature to care about people I feel close to.
>
>Same here.
So, it's probably my own 'fault" if I wanna help them or not, isn't
it? I just gotta figure out more about them two, how they relate to
eachother, well they're BF/GF, but nowadays (in my social circle) that
doesn't mean alot. I was at her house last nite (a woman's frat-house)
and another close friend of mine was all in tears about, yet another,
makeup/breakup situation with her BF....this goes on and on with them,
I just said she should get her act together, <sigh> what a drama.
Anyways, I was at her house the other nite right....she was briefly
there and in 10 minutes off for her parents home, she seemed okay and
we reconfirmed our lunchdate for the 21st, it was good seeing her
again, too bad my fav' girl (her sister) wasn't in, ah well.....
>>
>> >
>> >Timing can be everything.
>>
>> That's why I gotta focus on my exams first and then on this girlie
>> issue...it's plain simple....it's hard coz, as you know, denying your
>> feelings is not easy....
>
>Don't deny them, just put them on a back burn for now.
>
>> >How did you develop a tough skin?
>>
>> It was a very long and painful way, but it's made me to the person who
>> I am, I must have spoiled several potential relationships by it. With
>> all but two I am still today great friends with, and it's where I
>> found peace with.
>
>That's good that you look at it that way. Lots of men aren't able to do
>that.
I dunno, don't know many as if ANY men in my SC who are like me and
you.
>>
>> >You don't open up until you feel the trust and compassion are there?
>>
>> Nope, I have developed quite a fine sense wether a particular person
>> is worth my trust or not, it's really a matter of how far are *you*
>> willing to open up, there's always some level of risk involved, but if
>> they were to abuse your trust, you know very quick who that person
>> really is.....
>
>I agree and I do the same thing. Risk is always involved.
>>
>> >It's a hard thing, very personal and tailored specifically to each
>> >individual you are dealing with.
>>
>> Precisely, for every person I know I have different levels of
>> openness, not every person is suited for all information, but all are
>> my friends nonetheless....
>>
>> >I don't think you could make it through life if you hadn't made a
>> >mistake about the trust issue.
>> >It happens.
>>
>> Believe me, I did.
>
>Heh, heh yeah, well everyone does.
>>
>> A word of caution: this "technique" is highly susceptable in becoming
>> a tool with an undesired effect i.e. the friendship-tool. This whole
>> discussion about this girl I pursue, She still doesn't know exactly
>> what I do and who I am....she didn't know untill two/three months ago
>> that I was a keen photographer for > 10 years.
>
>Well, that's what I mean, those things are important parts of who you
>are.
>
>> I focused our connection on partying, cooking (i made dinner for her
>> once) and sports (we both love to workout).....pretty superficial
>> stuff, now it's time to let her know my other side.
>
>Good, for anything to develop you have to do that. Superficial only
>goes so far.
>>
>> This was to illustrate how I carefully "planned" this for myself and
>> to show that not every person is worth your complete heart and soul.
>
>You've got that right Michael. I couldn't have said it better myself.
thanks...
>>
>> Michael...
nutm...@my-deja.com
michael...@hotmail.com (Michael forest) wrote:
> dead-line is changed....dunno when....there's a higher power involved
> in this....ah well, I feel it's just another test for my patience...
It figures, don't fret about it.
>
> >> Well, yeah...it all depends, for me I've grown to care for them,
it's
> >> part of my nature to care about people I feel close to.
> >
> >Same here.
>
> So, it's probably my own 'fault" if I wanna help them or not, isn't
> it? I just gotta figure out more about them two, how they relate to
> eachother, well they're BF/GF, but nowadays (in my social circle) that
> doesn't mean alot. I was at her house last nite (a woman's frat-house)
> and another close friend of mine was all in tears about, yet another,
> makeup/breakup situation with her BF....this goes on and on with them,
> I just said she should get her act together, <sigh> what a drama.
Well, what are you going to do? Some people just have to learn things
the hard way. Trying to figure them out can lead you to running around
in circles sometimes.
> Anyways, I was at her house the other nite right....she was briefly
> there and in 10 minutes off for her parents home, she seemed okay and
> we reconfirmed our lunchdate for the 21st, it was good seeing her
> again, too bad my fav' girl (her sister) wasn't in, ah well.....
So, you've got a little more than a week.
> >
> >> >How did you develop a tough skin?
> >>
> >> It was a very long and painful way, but it's made me to the person
who
> >> I am, I must have spoiled several potential relationships by it.
With
> >> all but two I am still today great friends with, and it's where I
> >> found peace with.
> >
> >That's good that you look at it that way. Lots of men aren't able to
do
> >that.
>
> I dunno, don't know many as if ANY men in my SC who are like me and
> you.
I don't know many either, but I do know a few. It is such a hard thing
for some people to do, especially men.
Once a man is hurt deeply, he usually closes himself off completely and
sometimes never comes out.
> >> This was to illustrate how I carefully "planned" this for myself
and
> >> to show that not every person is worth your complete heart and
soul.
> >
> >You've got that right Michael. I couldn't have said it better
myself.
>
> thanks...
You are welcome, and I think that those are very wise words for a man or
a woman. Not every person is worth it.
>
> >>
> >> Michael...
marlinthemusicfreak
Forest) wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Jun 1999 17:11:35 GMT, nutm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>> >> Whenever I truely have lust-feelings towards her, I stop seeing her
>>> >> for a while till it's settled down again, to me these feelings are
>>> >> just a fling (but I am a man and I have them!). I don't feel
>>insecure
>>> >> when she for instance goes out with a guy or what/whomever....she
>>> >> ain't got no responsibilities towards me, right?
>>> >
>>> >Why? You don't trust your feelings?
>>> >Maybe she feels the same way as you.
>>>
>>> Probably, I am not completly sure, wheter to go all the way or flirt
>>> some more, give her more clues as to how much I like her, and then go
>>> for it......
>>
>>Give her a long passionate kiss, watch her reaction.
>
>Again my insecurity towards this girl, I feel I want her not as a
>friend but as a partner (which includes friendship as well). But I can
>feel the "I just wanna be friends, michael" -line already coming, that
>is my biggest fear. I don't wanna be just friends. But the kiss is not
>much of a problem, I can do it easily, I think she'll let me too.
>Perhaps she's just waiting for me to make a move....
then just do it !!!!
ok, maybe she just wants to be friends, at least you'll know how she
feels about you.
marlinthemusicfreak
music is love
love is music
music is my life
and I love my life
marlinthemusicfreak
>If you read my postings you'll know where I wanna take this to.....but
>my being distant is my feeling for not acting needy and dependant,
>eventhough maybe she's waiting for me to show some initiative.....
>Do women sometimes tend to play hard to get just in order to find out
>how and what the guy is made of?
yup.
I'm one of those.
I just want to know it's going to last.
and if he's still interested after a month or so, then I know he's
erious about it.
maybe it's to prevent myself from getting hurt or something...
marlinthemusicfreak
>
>Thanks anyways.....
>
>
>Michael
marlinthemusicfreak
forest) wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:49:51 GMT, nutm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>Hi Michael,
>>
>>In article <375adeb0...@news.xs4all.nl>,
>> michael...@hotmail.com (Michael Forest) wrote:
>>
>>You from the Netherlands?
>
>well I live in amsterdam
oh nee, en nou niet zeggen dat je voor Ajax bent he?
ik woon trouwens in Rotjeknor (=R'dam)
>,yes...for my work.....Shell services
>International
Shell?
hm...dan zal ik maar niet zeggen waar mijn pa werkt...
ok, ik zeg het lekker toch: Esso !
ok, niet leuk, sorry hoor, maar ik ben nogal melig vandaag.
heb net mijn haar heel kort laten knippen, gewoon, omdat ik er zin in
had.....
en ik heb nog geen spijt !!
alhoewel....nee hoor , geintje !
nou, doegie !
marlinthemusicfreak