Rekeying a Baldwin Lock

[John Smith]

Does anyone have any detailed instructions on rekeying a baldwin lock. I
bought a rekeying kit for a Schlage lock since they have the same pins.
However, I know Baldwins are slightly more difficult to rekey than a Schlage
though and don't want to screw it up.

Thanks

["Keyman"]

Shouldn't be a problem.
If you can rekey a Schlage ?
You can rekey a Baldwin...
They mount on the door a little different though.

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[Glen Cooper]

"John Smith" <jsm...@altavista.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have any detailed instructions on rekeying a baldwin lock. I
> bought a rekeying kit for a Schlage lock since they have the same pins.
>

Some pins if not all pins for the baldwin C-keyway that I have rekeyed and
the pins for a Schlage C-keyway are different by five thousandths. They
wont work when the key is cut to Schlage specs.

Glen Cooper

[John Smith]

So you are telling me that the Schlage pins won't work in the Baldwin lock?
You're the first person to tell me this. Everyone else I've talked to says
that the pins are interchangable. The keys are also interchangeable whether
you use a Schlage or a Baldwin. If what you say is true, how do you suggest
rekeying a Baldwin?

Glen Cooper wrote in message ...

[Glen Cooper]

"John Smith" <jsm...@altavista.com> wrote in message

news:10056981...@cswreg.cos.agilent.com...

> So you are telling me that the Schlage pins won't work in the Baldwin
lock?
> You're the first person to tell me this. Everyone else I've talked to
says
> that the pins are interchangable.

I use a universal pin kit made by LAB and choose pins that are .006
different when I pin a Baldwin lock to a schlage key.

>The keys are also interchangeable whether
> you use a Schlage or a Baldwin.

You are correct.

If what you say is true, how do you suggest
> rekeying a Baldwin?

I would suggest taking the lock to your local smith. A locksmith should
only charge you about eight dollars U.S. or less to rekey each cylinder.

You will spend more money buying the proper pins but if you have a lot of
locks to rekey, ten or twenty, you can buy the proper pins from a locksmith
supplier for about $2.50 per box and do it yourself and come out ok.

The key may turn with the Schlage pins but your lock wont last long. I can
assure you they are different.

Glen Cooper

[b...@upn.com]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:34:30 -0800, "John Smith"
<jsm...@altavista.com> wrote:

>So you are telling me that the Schlage pins won't work in the Baldwin lock?
>You're the first person to tell me this. Everyone else I've talked to says
>that the pins are interchangable. The keys are also interchangeable whether
>you use a Schlage or a Baldwin. If what you say is true, how do you suggest
>rekeying a Baldwin?

Call a locksmith. How much can it cost? If you don't tighten the
yoke properly, anyone can get in your house by unscrewing the
cylinder. If you tighten the cylinder too much, the inside knob will
start binding. If you don't put a shim between the lock case and the
side of the mortise, the cylinder will screw in crooked. Convinced
yet? Even the pro's screw them up if they are not familiar with the
nuances of a Baldwin lock. The pin thing is also true. The key may
turn but it will rub and not operate smoothly. This information is
assuming that your lock is a mortise lock. If it is a tubular lock,
give it a try. You may get lucky.

[Jim Guiles]

I've never come across this.

Jim

[allan]

I have rekeyed hundreds of these using regular pins with no problem but I will
tell you this: Baldwin stuff can be temporamental. If you dont know what your
doing and screw something up its going to cost you much more than a rekey. Call a
locksmith.
Allan

[Glen Cooper]

"allan" <lock...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Most of the Baldwin locks I've rekeyed have been mortise cylinders and most
of the time there would be Schlage dead bolts in the house as well. The
Baldwin mortise locks are always .005" different from the Schlage dead
bolts. I have never seen one that was not. I have seen Baldwin dead bolts
use Schlage pins and I have also seen them off by .003" which isn't much but
when you're dealing with a lock that is as tempermental and high priced as a
Baldwin it is something to consider also.

My point is they are not all the same, maybe the dead bolts are but the
mortise cylinders are not. The key will turn but the lock will not last.
Sometimes the key wont turn.

I don't like to file plugs or pins because that can create big problems so I
always use the right pins, LAB 003". Does anyone else agree or disagree
about the pins being different? I'd like to hear more on this.

Allan, how does it work out for you when you key a Baldwin mortise to a
Schlage dead bolt?

Glen Cooper

[allan]

no problem Glen. I just consider it another schlage cylinder and rekey it that
way.
Allan

[Joseph Kesselman]

> Baldwin mortise locks are always .005" different from the Schlage

Haven't done enough Baldwin to have an opinion, and I don't have my
depth-and-space references handy... but I _always_ sanity-check the
theoretical pinning against what the plug actually looks like when
pinned up and the key inserted. If it looks unreasonably low or high --
and that's not hard to tell with a proper pinning fixture, nor even all
_that_ hard to tell without one once you know what you're looking for --
I take the time to check. Plug radii do differ from lock to lock even
when they supposedly take the same keys... and keys may be miscut or
worn; before concluding the lock is doing something odd, take a mike to
the keys.

My pinning kit is currently .005-based... which I regret (it was a
beginner's choice, and a beginner's mistake), but it isn't worth the
effort for me to switch over to .003's until next time it starts running
low.

[John Smith]

So it looks like the consensus here is to have a locksmith do the work, so
let me ask you this: About how much is it going to cost to have the Baldwin
Mortise lock, Two Schlage door knobs (1 lever, 1 knob), and a Schlage dead
bolt all rekeyed the same if I bring them all in to a locksmith vs. if I
have a locksmith come to my house and do them all?

Or, should I rekey all the Schlage myself and just take in the Baldwin to a
locksmith to have rekeyed the same as the Schalges?

Glen Cooper wrote in message ...
>

[Billy B. Edwards Jr.]

The difference in having the locksmith come to you or
you taking the locks to him will be the amount of his
service call or trip charge. Depending upon where you
are located that could be as little as $30 or as much
as $90 as I have seen each quoted in different areas as
a local trip charge.

The most economical approach of course would be for you
to rekey the Schlage lock yourself since you have the
pin kit for it and take the Baldwin to have the
locksmith rekey it. As I understand it from the other
posts, (having never worked on a Baldwin myself), it is
the length of the pins that is different and the
locksmith will have a universal pin kit that increments
pins by .005" or by .003". HTH,
BBE.

[Glen Cooper]

"Billy B. Edwards Jr." <BBEd...@thelockman.com> wrote in message
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>
> The most economical approach of course would be for you
> to rekey the Schlage lock yourself since you have the
> pin kit for it and take the Baldwin to have the
> locksmith rekey it.

I agree with Billy 100%. Take the Baldwin mortise cylinder to your local
smith and he should be able to fix it right for about 10 bucks. You should
be able to do the rest yourself considering you already have the stuff to do
the Schlage locks. When you depress the spring loaded pin that holds the
cylinder cap in place on the Schlage locks, tighten the cap to determine how
much you have to release the pressure on it when you put it back together
before you take it apart. Also count the number of turns you unscrew the
mortise cylinder so when you put it back you will know how much to screw it
back in the hole. Also loosen the mortise lock body just a little bit
before you pull the mortise cylinder out. I hope this helps you John Smith
if that is your real name, hee hee...:)))

Glen Cooper

[John Smith]

Thanks for everyone's help. I rekeyed the Schlages myself last night and
had no problems. I'll take the Baldwin in to a locksmith this weekend.

- "John"

Glen Cooper wrote in message ...
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[lock...@westsidelock.com]

I have!

Chuck http://www.westsidelock.com

[pnub...@gmail.com]

I have a Baldwin entrance lock that I would like to rekey to a Schlage key. I do not have the key for the Baldwin. Help please.

[Stormin Mormon]

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[Jay Hennigan]

On 5/6/14 12:03 PM, pnub...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a Baldwin entrance lock that I would like to rekey to a Schlage key. I do not have the key for the Baldwin. Help please.

Does the Schlage key that you want to use physically enter the Baldwin
lock? Baldwin makes locksets with a number of different keyways, as
does Schlage. The good news is that the most common keyway used by both
is the Schlage "C".

[abrahamlinc...@gmail.com]

I use schlage keys and my schlage kit EXCLUSIVELY for baldwin (except for the private labeled crap kwikshit makes for them) for years.

I've never noticed any difference

[da...@luyer.net]

I realize this is an ancient thread... but it's one of the top search results for the topic, too.

So, to throw some more fuel on the fire... the LAB Mini Dur-X Baldwin kit contains exactly the same bottom pins as the LAB Mini Dur-X Schlage kit (click "View Contents Item ID Listing" on their site for the individual part numbers).

That basically means there's no point buying the Baldwin pin kit, if you're only replacing bottom pins. Either use a Schlage pin kit (40-134), or manually pick out pins from a .003 / .005 pin kit.

David.