Foley Belsaw| Anything to beware of?
DEAD RAGE
there is anything i need to watch out for with this company?
Bob DeWeese, CML
"DEAD RAGE" <natep...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have just started the foley belsaw locksmithing course and am wondering
if
> there is anything i need to watch out for with this company?
>
>
1) Too late now but... You didn't pay the first price they gave you did
you? They usually drop the price a couple of times if you don't "bite"
right away. I've heard of them dropping the original price by half.
2) They will teach you the basics. Don't fool yourself by thinking that
once you finish their (or anyone elses) course that you will be an
experienced locksmith, ready to set the world on fire. If you go to work
for someone, don't expect to get paid very much at first (you'll still have
a lot to learn).
If you try to start your own business, make sure you join a local
association and get to know your colleages. You _are_ going to need their
help.
Good luck
Bobby
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"certified locksmiths" but not one can tell me what certified means. Their
usual answer is "they do it right through the course".
Well, you'd be wise to know what certified means, and what it allows you to
do.
Mr. DeWeese is right about the rest of it. My Dad and I took the Locksmith
Institute course, and that taught us about 6-10% of what I needed to know
right off the bat. And I keep learning.
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> Next thing.... all the Belsaw graduates I've met proudly
proclaim themselves
> "certified locksmiths" but not one can tell me what
certified means. Their
> usual answer is "they do it right through the course".
>
> Well, you'd be wise to know what certified means, and what
it allows you to
> do.
>
> Mr. DeWeese is right about the rest of it. My Dad and I
took the Locksmith
> Institute course, and that taught us about 6-10% of what I
needed to know
> right off the bat. And I keep learning.
>
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>
> Christopher A. Young
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Locksmith Institute Course ?
I took that course back around 1980.
I still can't believe they recommended a Dealer to R&R a GM
ignition.
oh well,
we all know better than that :-)
my2¢
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Joe Kesselman (yclept Keshlam)
> Next thing.... all the Belsaw graduates I've met proudly proclaim themselves
> "certified locksmiths" but not one can tell me what certified means.
To repeat what we've said in the FAQ:
"Certified" generally means "Someone handed you a certificate" -- in
other words, it generally means you completed a correspondence course.
It's pure marketing. Ignore it.
If you want competence testing, ALOA runs some nice tough tests which
you aren't likely to pass unless you've been working as a fulltime
locksmith for several years and/or have Seriously Studied for them. They
also cost a significant amount for testing fees, which is itself a
legitimate way of screening out those who aren't serious about the
profession.
> Well, you'd be wise to know what certified means, and what it allows you to
> do.
It means nothing. It allows nothing. It just means the folks who run the
course know your name and may or may not be willing to admit that to
other suppliers.
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>Date: 1/10/2004 7:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
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>Next thing.... all the Belsaw graduates I've met proudly proclaim themselves
>"certified locksmiths" but not one can tell me what certified means. Their
>usual answer is "they do it right through the course".
It means the same thing it's meant everytime you've made this statement. That
they have a certification from FB that they passed the FB course. Just like you
receive a certification for virtually any course or exam you take. I don't
think it's meaning could be anymore obvious. How valuable or not a
certification it may be is another matter, although in many cases it will at
least allow the certification holder to buy from legitimate suppliers when they
might otherwise not be able to do so.
>Well, you'd be wise to know what certified means, and what it allows you to
>do.
So why don't you explain it?
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"DEAD RAGE" <natep...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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if
> there is anything i need to watch out for with this company?
I never got the free pick gun they promised for enrolling within 2 weeks.
TB
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richc...@locksmithtrainers.com
> I have just started the foley belsaw locksmithing course and am wondering if
> there is anything i need to watch out for with this company?
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I took the course 2 yrs ago. Was good imho
Derek Broestler
> Foley Belsaw is no longer a thing...they shut down a few months ago. R.I.P.
>
> I took the course 2 yrs ago. Was good imho
Back at my old shop, someone would show up once every year or so, claiming to be a "certified locksmith" after taking this, or some other correspondence course...
Without exception, the sum TOTAL of their knowledge was about what they'd learn in the shop within about the couple of months or so... Now nothing wrong with that... everyone's gotta start somewhere...
BUT... also without exception they'd get ticked off at their FNG (f'n new guy) status and the associated grunt work (sweeping, taking out garbage, etc). as in "I didn't go to school to sweep up!!!".... Well, we ALL had to start out doin it because it's gotta be done and because the more experienced locksmiths are busy on the road making the shop money...
Most didn't make it past three months and none lasted more than a year.
Jeff Moss
> Foley Belsaw is no longer a thing...they shut down a few months ago. R.I.P.
>
> I took the course 2 yrs ago. Was good imho
