How to open Diebold cashsource ATM
qwerty
about chest high like you would find in a convenience store. It says
Cashsource by Diebold on the top of it. Inside the cabinet is a safe door
with a silver combination dial with a shroud around most of it. To the left
of the dial is a larger round black wheel with a pull handle underneath it.
I want to open it and use the lower cabinet as a light duty safe. I have a
replacement for the lock and dial. I have tools to drill it I just need to
know where. Don't say call a locksmith because I already have and they
either don't know how to do it or want more money than it's worth.
Mike Easter
> I bought this ATM machine with the contents of a storage locker.
-a- I'm not a locksmith, but...
-b- You're joking/trolling, right?
> I have tools to drill it I just need to know where. Don't say
> call a locksmith because I already have and they either don't know
> how to do it or want more money than it's worth.
-c- Riiiggght. I thought so.
--
Mike Easter
qwerty
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
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> qwerty wrote:
> > I bought this ATM machine with the contents of a storage locker.
>
> -a- I'm not a locksmith, but...
> -b- You're joking/trolling, right?
Ummm no. I buy storage locker contents that have been abandoned by the
renters at auction. You typically get the entire contents. You don't get to
pick and choose through it. An ATM machine is far from the strangest thing
I've found. After doing a little research I learned the ATM is not compliant
with modern encryption standards nor is it practical for it to be upgraded
to them so it isn't worth anything as an ATM so I want to use it for a low
security safe for tools and such.
> > I have tools to drill it I just need to know where. Don't say
> > call a locksmith because I already have and they either don't know
> > how to do it or want more money than it's worth.
>
> -c- Riiiggght. I thought so.
>
> --
> Mike Easter
Strange reply. This is a locksmithing board right?
Roger Shoaf
"qwerty" <qwe...@qwerty.com> wrote in message news:f58td4$r62$1...@aioe.org...
> I bought this ATM machine with the contents of a storage locker.
<snip>
>Don't say call a locksmith because I already have and they
> either don't know how to do it or want more money than it's worth.
>
>
If it costs more than it is worth, then it seems to me you have answered
your own question.
Perhaps you could sell it for scrap and recoup some of your investment.
If you are disappointed that you do not get instructions for defeating
locking devices on this forum, you are not the first, nor do I doubt you
will be the last.
If you can deliver the ATM to a locksmith rather than have him come to you,
and you are not in a hurry, you might be able to get a better rate.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
Mike Easter
> Ummm no. I buy storage locker contents that have been abandoned by the
> renters at auction.
... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
store.
Or maybe you are a store burglar claiming to be a storage salvager.
> it isn't worth anything as
> an ATM so I want to use it for a low security safe for tools and such.
Someone holding a locked ATM asking for help in cracking it open sounds
suspicious to me, but, like I said, I'm not a locksmith. It probably
sounds even more suspicious to whatever locksmiths you've already
contacted in your local area.
> Strange reply. This is a locksmithing board right?
Just because it is a newsgroup popular with locksmiths doesn't mean it
is safecracking 101.
--
Mike Easter
Stormin Mormon
defeat, pick, or bypass locks. Unless I'm confident that person
is honorably employed as a locksmith.
So, for this one I can't help you much.
Too many crooks and criminals have too much information already.
It may not be you personally, but I'm sure criminals do read this
message board.
Did anyone else notice that this fellow doesn't use even a first
name on his post? And he wants us to give away for free
information that we studied and learned through the trade? Not
gonna happen!
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"qwerty" <qwe...@qwerty.com> wrote in message
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: I bought this ATM machine with the contents of a storage
:
:
Stormin Mormon
light on this.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"qwerty" <qwe...@qwerty.com> wrote in message
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:
:
: Strange reply. This is a locksmithing board right?
:
:
BogusID
Using the aioe public news server to possibly avoid being traced...hmmm.
I'd recommend calling your local diebold office with the serial number, and
see what they can do for you.
<http://www.diebold.com/>
peterwn
> Just because it is a newsgroup popular with locksmiths doesn't mean it
> is safecracking 101.
>
I saw a British comedy movie once, set in a jail. Inmates were holding
a safecracking 101 class. The instructor advised the students that the
best way of getting a safe door open was to attack the hinges.
Perhaps this may assist the OP.
Mike Easter
I went to look at the diagrams at diebold. That isn't the way I would
do it.
But I'm not a locksmith or a safecracker nor someone who has both a
locked ATM and a spare lock&dial replacement for it.
--
Mike Easter
Mike Easter
Mike Easter wrote:
> nor someone who has both a
> locked ATM and a spare lock&dial replacement for it.
... nor someone who sez/claims they bought a locked ATM and also
sez/claims they have a spare lock&dial replacement for it.
--
Mike Easter
DB
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
> qwerty wrote:
>
>> Ummm no. I buy storage locker contents that have been abandoned by the
>> renters at auction.
>
> ... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
> store.
For what it's worth Ebay is littered with ATM's that are obsolete for one
reason or another. Like the post said they aren't worth much of anything. I
bought one for $10 once just to have the seller pull a part I couldn't find
anywhere else and ship it to me. I was the only bidder and that was for a
machine that some of were still in service at the time. Shipping cost is a
negative factor too if you are talking about shipping the whole machine.
There is a lot of specialized equipment like that that sells for next to
nothing because it's either obsolete or because it's usually supplied in
connection with a contract or service agreement like cell phones and credit
card terminals. He was talking about encryption so my guess is that it's not
3DES compatible and consequently can't be set up on any financial network,
which means it's service life is done.
http://www.atmdepot.com/triple-des.aspx
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>> ... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
>> store.
>
> For what it's worth Ebay is littered with ATM's that are obsolete for
> one reason or another.
Yeah, I ran across some old ads for the Diebold cashsource (or plus) on
CraigsList & Ebay when I was trying to see a picture.
I'm pretty sure that if I went out of business and put some stuff in
storage that I later abandoned because it was going to be more trouble
to deal with than abandon, that I wouldn't have initially put my own ATM
in there locked, but I would have left it unlocked, the way I do a safe
which doesn't have valuables in it.
OTOH, I can certainly picture a dumb criminal who managed to steal a
locked ATM and not be able to figure out a way to get it open - securing
it in a storage facility he later abandoned. Who knows how the
(theoretical) criminal handled the identity business when he initially
rented the storage.
--
Mike Easter
'Key
read the FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/locksmith-faq/
and you may more understand the answers you are getting.
pay close attention to: Questions Answered:
0. [5]Will people on this newsgroup give me information
about picking
locks, etc.?
g'day
--
"Key"
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try that with SOME safes and you may be unpleasantly
surprised.
just don't think about re-lockers and tear-gas containers
while doing it :-)
seriously,
sometimes it IS best to pay a professional.
--
"Key"
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'Key
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well, that may or may not apply in qwerty's case...
really no way to tell at this point, is there ?
my2¢
--
"Key"
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'Key
in message news:46782ac4$1$4681$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> Yep, it's a locksmith board. What are you doing, here?
>
actually this is an open locksmithing forum SM.
it never was just for locksmiths only....
my2¢
--
"Key"
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Stormin Mormon
I'm sure they would cheerfully give it.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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"BogusID" <Bog...@YesItIs.com> wrote in message
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:
: Using the aioe public news server to possibly avoid being
:
:
Stormin Mormon
forum.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.
"peterwn" <pet...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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:
: I saw a British comedy movie once, set in a jail. Inmates were
Stormin Mormon
--
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You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
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"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
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: "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote
:
:
Punch Job
"qwerty" <qwe...@qwerty.com> wrote in message news:f58td4$r62$1...@aioe.org...
LMAO Lucky for you Im fuckin here or you would never get shit on this. One
most of these fucks dont know how to open a Sentry much less a diebold
anything. They mostly just play with Kwiksets and shit like that and they
probably have enough problems getting those fuckin things to work right. Two
they are so damn paranoid they figure anybody that asks about a lock is
gonna rob fort knox or some shit. If they were fuck it I dont have anything
in Ft knox any damn way. I think most of em are really fuckin crooks
themselves they figure since they steal shit youre gonna too. Ok nuff on
them.
Lucky for you Ive done one of these cause it aint in any books I know of.
Diebold probably has some and so do the companies that service bank
equipment but they aint given em to you. OK nuff fuckin around, down to
business. This ATM has a 5 minute rated safe. It uses a 3 wheel LaGard lock
with alarm function on the third wheel. The alarm gate is 10 digits off from
the true gate. If you dial it the safe still opens but an alarm trips. Big
nasty fuckin surprise there mostly for stick up guys. Lock is mounted RH
that means the bolt is to the left looking at it from the outside of the
door. No external relock on these but dont punch the cam or lock bolt cause
the cam plate and also a mounting bolt are right in the way. You could
prolly do it but it will take more time. Would also fuck up a bunch of parts
so you cant reuse it. As I remember cam on this fuckin thing is cast metal
too so you cant just bend the cam out of the way. Punching will bust pieces
off it. Bolt holding on the cam plate is in the way in front of the lock
bolt so you got to drill through that to punch out the lock bolt. Pain in
the fuckin ass, fucked up way to do it, amateur shit, Bogus, great fuckin
name by the way he lives up to it every post, would prolly try it if his
walmart no name cordless would get through the fuckin door LMAO.
Yeah I know. Youre sayin: Jesus fuckin christ punch I dont care about this
shit just tell me how to open the goddamn thing. OK here we go.
Best way on this is to drill in at 97 X 7/8, some guys like to drill 97 X
1, I like 97 X 7/8 that means you line the 0 on the dial with the index mark
and drill inline with 97 7/8 out from spindle center. For you best way to
get the dial off is to drill two holes 90 degrees apart right through it.
Thread the holes with a tap or use self tapping bolts. Turn two bolts
through the holes so they bottom on the door and it will either push the
dial off or snap the fuckin spindle. The spindle on these will snap above
the door so no big deal there just turn it with pliers or vise grips. Look
through the hole. Make a mark inline with 97 BEFORE you pull the fuckin dial
or youll hate it. After dial is gone take off the the dial ring by takin out
the screws. Now mark at 97 X 7/8. You made the fuickin mark at 97 like I
said right? Now drill straight in. No hard plate. About 1/2" give or take of
mild steel. Drills easy. Can do it with a GOOD cordless and a GOOD battery.
Cobalt bits are always good insurance for mild steel safe work. The drill
will break through and hit the lockcase. Youll feel it. Now go real fuckin
easy on the pressure and drill into the lock case. Careful goddamn it I said
REAL FUCKIN EASY so you dont smash into the wheels or you will fuck
everything up. You will need a small flashlight but no scope. Fiber optic
attachment thing on a mini maglight works kick ass for this kind of thing.
Youll be lookin at the wheels right under the fence. Dial the normal way L R
L and line the gates up. Turn right drop the fence in and turn the round
handle to open the safe. Clockwise as I remember. If the fence dont drop you
might be off just a little on the wheels or your hole. Smack the safe next
to the spindle hole to try to make it drop. Worse case you dial over and
compensate either left or right a number or two but if you drill your hole
where I told you you wont have to so if you do its your fuckin fault. If you
listened to me youre in the fucker. Your welcome. If you found this fuckin
thing in a storage locker dont expect to find cash in it. Anybody that stole
one of these things could force it open no problem. Its only 5 minute rated
and anybody can get past that with nothing but a big hammer and bigger pry
bar or sawzall if they already walked away with the fuckin machine. The
fact the secret squirrels dont know that is just more proof these secret
squirrels dont know shit about safes. Drive up or walkup outdoor ATM's are
the only ones that have any kind of security not these fucking convenience
store things. Stick to Kwiksets and practicin that secret squirrel handshake
little squirrels.
Punch Job
"Punch Job" <Dontema...@goaway.com> wrote in message
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For you best way to
> get the dial off is to drill two holes 90 degrees apart right through it.
Punch did a typo. 180 degrees. The little squirrels were all excited thinkin
they found a mistake in a punch job post. Too bad. Drill the holes 180 apart
but if you didnt figure that out you prolly shouldnt try to open this fuckin
thing anyway. Bogus is prolly drillin holes 90 degrees apart with the
walmart 5000 right now tryin to figure out why the dial keeps tryin to come
off crooked.
Punch Job
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
> qwerty wrote:
>
> > Ummm no. I buy storage locker contents that have been abandoned by the
> > renters at auction.
>
> ... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
> store.
Yeah what happened was the burglars went to all the trouble to bust in the
fuckin store. Steal the ATM which has a fuckin security cable and alarm and
prolly bolts holdin it down. Load the fucker up on their pickup. It only
weighs about 300 fuckin lbs. Now they grab some cartons of lucky strikes and
drive away clean. At this fuckin point some guys might wanna get the machine
open to get the cash they just did all that work and took all that risk for.
Not these fuckin guys. They figure now that they have an ATM full of cash
the thing to do is go rent a storage locker to put the whole fuckin machine
in. After fuckin all they can afford to do that now. Later there gonna open
up their own store and use the fuckin machine in it and they figure if they
leave it stocked up on cash thats one less step they have to take to get in
the fuckin ATM business.
Punch Job
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
> "peterwn" <pet...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:4678368e$1...@clear.net.nz...
> > Mike Easter wrote:
> >
> >> Just because it is a newsgroup popular with locksmiths
> >> doesn't mean it
> >> is safecracking 101.
> >>
> >
> > I saw a British comedy movie once, set in a jail. Inmates
> > were holding a safecracking 101 class. The instructor
> > advised the students that the best way of getting a safe
> > door open was to attack the hinges.
> >
> > Perhaps this may assist the OP.
>
> try that with SOME safes and you may be unpleasantly
> surprised.
> just don't think about re-lockers and tear-gas containers
> while doing it :-)
You arent gonna set off a relocker, or tear gas on the half fuckin century
old shit that has it by goin at the hinges whether it works or not and
usually it aint gonna do shit but piss off the safe owner when he comes in
and finds his safe hinges all fucked up.
Punch Job
> I'll thank you not to give out secure information on an open
> forum.
Take a look at what I wrote you mormon fuck. You might learn somethin cause
we all know you dont have a clue how to open the fuckin thing.
Punch Job
"Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote in message
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>
> "qwerty" <qwe...@qwerty.com> wrote in message
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> > I bought this ATM machine with the contents of a storage locker.
>
> <snip>
>
> >Don't say call a locksmith because I already have and they
> > either don't know how to do it or want more money than it's worth.
> >
> >
>
> If it costs more than it is worth, then it seems to me you have answered
> your own question.
>
> Perhaps you could sell it for scrap and recoup some of your investment.
>
> If you are disappointed that you do not get instructions for defeating
> locking devices on this forum, you are not the first, nor do I doubt you
> will be the last.
>
> If you can deliver the ATM to a locksmith rather than have him come to
you,
> and you are not in a hurry, you might be able to get a better rate.
>
> --
>
> Roger Shoaf
>
he aint dissapointed cause I just told him everything he needed to know. He
prolly just figure none of you know how to do it anyway and with maybe one
or two exceptions hes prolly right
'Key
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> business closed BUT after some talking, left the safe
> unlocked...AND still in the building.
> --Shiva--
wasn't referring to this guys ATM as having a gas container
but those gas containers were awesome.
had on go off in a friends shop once and he had to close
down for the rest of the day. what some also don't think
about is the asbestos dangers in many of those old safes.
g'day Shiva
--
"Key"
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qwerty
"Punch Job" <Dontema...@goaway.com> wrote in message
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>
Cool. I'm going to try to open it tomorrow. I really don't expect to find
any money in it. I just want to use the container to keep stuff from walking
away.
qwerty
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
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> qwerty wrote:
>
> > Ummm no. I buy storage locker contents that have been abandoned by the
> > renters at auction.
>
> ... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
> store.
>
>
> > it isn't worth anything as
> > an ATM so I want to use it for a low security safe for tools and such.
>
> suspicious to me, but, like I said, I'm not a locksmith. It probably
> sounds even more suspicious to whatever locksmiths you've already
> contacted in your local area.
>
> > Strange reply. This is a locksmithing board right?
>
> is safecracking 101.
>
> Mike Easter
The idea that burglars are going to steal an ATM and then store it,
unopened, sounds pretty farfetched to me so I'm not all that worried about
it being stolen. I'm 99% sure it's empty. Like I already said I just want to
use it for a low security lock box. If I only cared about the contents and
not the container I would have cut it open with a circular saw with a cutoff
wheel in short order but that would leave it unrepairable. I got the info I
was looking for and tomorrow I'm going to try it out.
qwerty
> Yep, it's a locksmith board. What are you doing, here?
>
Asking what I thought would be a pretty simple straight forward question
that so far only one person out of about 8 has been able to answer without
indulging in wild and baseless speculation or giving horrible advice about
attacking hinges, which I'm pretty sure would leave me with a firmly locked
container with destroyed hinges. No matter. I don't take it personaly. I
haven't really contributed anything here so I hardly expect people to bend
over backwards to assist me. When I get it open I will rectify that by
posting some photos and linking to them. I'm sure there are other people who
will read this that will find it interesting.
qwerty
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> > I bought this ATM machine with the contents of a storage locker.
>
>
> >Don't say call a locksmith because I already have and they
> > either don't know how to do it or want more money than it's worth.
> >
> >
>
> your own question.
>
> Perhaps you could sell it for scrap and recoup some of your investment.
No disrespect intended but if I wanted the $5 or so it's worth as scrap I
would have done that already.
> If you are disappointed that you do not get instructions for defeating
> locking devices on this forum, you are not the first, nor do I doubt you
> will be the last.
I got what look like pretty good instructions. I'll know tomorrow after I
try them out.
> If you can deliver the ATM to a locksmith rather than have him come to
you,
> and you are not in a hurry, you might be able to get a better rate.
That last is not bad advice I suppose but I think I have the info now to
open it myself. Most of the locksmiths I called didn't even work on safes
and one that did didn't know anything about ATM's. The other wanted $500,
and that didn't even include reapirs which is crazy. There is an access slot
for something that looks factory made cut in the top of the door so I can
tell that the door is only about 1/8". Anything this thin is not going to be
that hard to get open.
qwerty
> Speaking only for myself, I don't give anyone instructions how to
> defeat, pick, or bypass locks. Unless I'm confident that person
> is honorably employed as a locksmith.
>
Then why do you post here? As far as I can tell this is a public message
board the purpose of which appears to be to share information.
> So, for this one I can't help you much.
I see that. It didn't stop you from posting over and over to the topic
though so at least I've entertained you.
> Too many crooks and criminals have too much information already.
So you figure keeping it from the general public makes the criminals job a
bit easier huh?
> It may not be you personally, but I'm sure criminals do read this
> message board.
You've already indicated that criminals don't have much trouble getting
information.
> Did anyone else notice that this fellow doesn't use even a first
> name on his post?
If I did would you know it was a real name? Then what difference would it
make?
And he wants us to give away for free
> information that we studied and learned through the trade? Not
> gonna happen!
I'm sorry to inform you it already has. I got the info I was looking for and
will be opening the safe tomorrow. You see 100 people can refuse to answer a
question or ignore it. It doesn't matter. It only takes one good answer.
qwerty
"BogusID" <Bog...@YesItIs.com> wrote in message
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is
> > about chest high like you would find in a convenience store. It says
> > Cashsource by Diebold on the top of it. Inside the cabinet is a safe
door
> > with a silver combination dial with a shroud around most of it. To the
> > left
> > of the dial is a larger round black wheel with a pull handle underneath
> > it.
> > I want to open it and use the lower cabinet as a light duty safe. I have
a
> > replacement for the lock and dial. I have tools to drill it I just need
to
> > either don't know how to do it or want more money than it's worth.
> >
>
I use it because it's free. I'm sure any law enforcement agency can get user
info from them. BTW is "BogusID" your real name? If not? What are you trying
to hide?
qwerty
> How about email them anonymously, and ask for the combination?
> I'm sure they would cheerfully give it.
Sarcasm aside this makes me pretty sure you don't know anything about safes.
I don't know a lot but based on the ones I have used myself as well as those
I run across in the units from time to time I do know that the combos on all
but the cheapest can almost certainly be changed and the factory is not
going to have any record of it to give out as though they would do that
anyway.
qwerty
That's the problem exactly. According to my research there is no upgrade
available for these machines. They were evidently cheap models and have been
totally abandoned as far as the upgrade process. Even if there was a way it
would be fairly expensive (100's of $$$) and putting that sort of money into
something like this just isn't what I do. As it is none of the banks will
allow them on their networks with the inferior encryption they provide. The
owner evidently couldn't use it anymore and just left it in storage. That
being the case I am looking to make good use of it in the cheapest way
possible.
qwerty
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
I read them just now. It says: "Yes and No. These is a serious debate, based
on serious principles." It then goes on to list information on pick guns,
lock picking guides, sources for books on bypassing alarms and locks,
information on how to trick a locksmith or clerk into duplicating a key
marked "do not duplicate", sources for lockpicks, and a whole lot more. It
also links to a cool online code site that doesn't appear to require you to
be a locksmith to sign up. If you think this is suppose to discourage anyone
from asking how to bypass a lock, a safe, or whatever, you need to go
actually read what's there because I don't think you have. It's like the
lockpicker central resource center.
qwerty
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
> DB wrote:
> > "Mike Easter"
>
> >> ... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
> >> store.
> >
> > For what it's worth Ebay is littered with ATM's that are obsolete for
> > one reason or another.
>
> CraigsList & Ebay when I was trying to see a picture.
>
> I'm pretty sure that if I went out of business and put some stuff in
> storage that I later abandoned because it was going to be more trouble
> to deal with than abandon, that I wouldn't have initially put my own ATM
> in there locked, but I would have left it unlocked, the way I do a safe
> which doesn't have valuables in it.
As somebody who buys stuff out of storage all the time I can tell you if it
has a lock of any sort on it it's usually locked with no sign of a key or
combo anywhere around.
> OTOH, I can certainly picture a dumb criminal who managed to steal a
> locked ATM and not be able to figure out a way to get it open - securing
> it in a storage facility he later abandoned. Who knows how the
> (theoretical) criminal handled the identity business when he initially
> rented the storage.
Some thief steals an ATM he can be pretty sure has a lot of cash in it. Then
he leaves the cash in the thing and pays out money to store it? I don't see
it happening. It just doesn't work this way. You find all kinds of stuff in
these units but the one thing I have never found is cash. I'm sure somebody
has but in general people who can't pay their bills don't abandon piles of
cash in a self store unit, any more than they leave it laying in the street.
BogusID
Since its an older ATM no longer meeting encryption standards, they may
actually help you.
Some of us will look forward to the image links and overall experiences once
you get there.
I use BogusID to limit spam lists, and don't ask the group for info about
opening stuff.
I do wish you luck.
Mike Easter
> "Mike Easter"
>>> "Mike Easter"
>>
>>>> ... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
>>>> store.
> As somebody who buys stuff out of storage all the time I can tell you
> if it has a lock of any sort on it it's usually locked with no sign
> of a key or combo anywhere around.
Fine. So, did you drill the two holes and bolt/screw/force the dial off
yet or not?
--
Mike Easter
DB
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:46785628$0$97245$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> DB wrote:
>
>>> ... or abandoned by the burglars who stole it from the convenience
>>> store.
>>
>> one reason or another.
>
> Yeah, I ran across some old ads for the Diebold cashsource (or plus) on
> CraigsList & Ebay when I was trying to see a picture.
>
> I'm pretty sure that if I went out of business and put some stuff in
> storage that I later abandoned because it was going to be more trouble
> to deal with than abandon, that I wouldn't have initially put my own ATM
> in there locked, but I would have left it unlocked, the way I do a safe
> which doesn't have valuables in it.
>
> locked ATM and not be able to figure out a way to get it open - securing
> it in a storage facility he later abandoned. Who knows how the
> (theoretical) criminal handled the identity business when he initially
> rented the storage.
I have to disagree with you here. Criminals aren't big on impulse control.
If something like that gets stolen they are going to try and get it open
ASAP and they are going to use a sledge hammer, cutting torch, saw, or
whatever they have without much regard for damage other than to the cash.
Also from what little I know on this it looks like the machine has been
obsolete encryption wise for almost 2 years now. As far as locked or
unlocked people leave containers locked all the time. You would think they
would lock them open but the reality is they usually lock them shut then
somebody dies or moves or just forgets the combo. I see it all the time.
Lots of times with GSA stuff but by no means just that. I wouldn't have any
problem opening it for him in person. If it's what I think it is I would
charge $150 - $200 if it was understood I wasn't going to be repairing it
but just had to leave it repairable.
DB
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
> "DB" <badad...@nobodyhome.com> wrote in message
> news:46784984$0$4706$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> qwerty wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ummm no. I buy storage locker contents that have been abandoned by the
>>>> renters at auction.
>>>
>>> store.
>>
>> For what it's worth Ebay is littered with ATM's that are obsolete for one
>> I bought one for $10 once just to have the seller pull a part I couldn't
>> find anywhere else and ship it to me. I was the only bidder and that was
>> for a machine that some of were still in service at the time. Shipping
>> cost is a negative factor too if you are talking about shipping the whole
>> machine. There is a lot of specialized equipment like that that sells for
>> next to nothing because it's either obsolete or because it's usually
>> supplied in connection with a contract or service agreement like cell
>> phones and credit card terminals. He was talking about encryption so my
>> guess is that it's not 3DES compatible and consequently can't be set up
>> on any financial network, which means it's service life is done.
>>
>> http://www.atmdepot.com/triple-des.aspx
>
>
> really no way to tell at this point, is there ?
>
> my2¢
> --
> "Key"
> =====
As far as the encryption I'm sure somebody maintains a list of what is and
isn't compliant so yes it is probably possible to tell if somebody really
wants to. If it's not compliant it would be about 2 years out of compliance
which tends to bolster his claim it was in storage. The point is a lot of
people seem determined to believe the worst and the fact is he is more
likely than not telling the truth about how he got it. If he stole it he
would have forced it open by now. I wouldn't have any problem opening it for
him in person. No I'm not going to tell him how to do it here and I frankly
wouldn't tell him even in person for free either. It looks like he already
got the info he wanted so now I'm curious if he can do the opening.
DB
<m...@notanywhere.net> wrote in message
news:q16h73dnov4kkue0l...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:29:40 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>"peterwn" <pet...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
>>news:4678368e$1...@clear.net.nz...
>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>
>>>> doesn't mean it
>>>> is safecracking 101.
>>>>
>>>
>>> were holding a safecracking 101 class. The instructor
>>> advised the students that the best way of getting a safe
>>> door open was to attack the hinges.
>>>
>>> Perhaps this may assist the OP.
>>
>>try that with SOME safes and you may be unpleasantly
>>surprised.
>>just don't think about re-lockers and tear-gas containers
>>while doing it :-)
>>
>>seriously,
>>sometimes it IS best to pay a professional.
>
> I got a tear gas containered safe 3 blocks from me.. The
> business closed BUT after some talking, left the safe
> unlocked...AND still in the building.
> --Shiva--
Tear gas is no big deal. It's just an irritant.
'Key
then your answer is
"Yes and No.
These is a serious debate, based on serious principles."
evidently you don't have or care to have a clue about the
"serious principles"
to the Locksmiths here, its a matter of "ethics". to the
rest here, "ethics have nothing to do with it.
so, the defeating instructions you get will NOT be coming
from the locksmiths.
they will be coming from the resident trolls.
sorry,
but thats the way it is around here.
> It then goes on to list information on pick guns,
> lock picking guides, sources for books on bypassing alarms
> and locks,
> information on how to trick a locksmith or clerk into
> duplicating a key
> marked "do not duplicate", sources for lockpicks, and a
> whole lot more. It
> also links to a cool online code site that doesn't appear
> to require you to
> be a locksmith to sign up. If you think this is suppose to
> discourage anyone
> from asking how to bypass a lock, a safe, or whatever,
> you need to go
> actually read what's there because I don't think you have.
> It's like the
> lockpicker central resource center.
the above is just information anyone can find on the net.
but it has nothing to do with the (locksmiths personal
ethics) you will find on this group.
think about it...
--
"Key"
=====
'Key
>
> "'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
> news:NqadnTSIoNsixOXb...@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>> really no way to tell at this point, is there ?
>>
>> my2¢
>> --
>> "Key"
>> =====
> As far as the encryption I'm sure somebody maintains a
> list of what is and isn't compliant so yes it is probably
> possible to tell if somebody really wants to. If it's not
> compliant it would be about 2 years out of compliance
> which tends to bolster his claim it was in storage. The
> point is a lot of people seem determined to believe the
> worst and the fact is he is more likely than not telling
> the truth about how he got it.
"believe the worst" ?
anyone can say anything to make their story believable.
all I said was, "really no way to tell".
> If he stole it he would have forced it open by now.
maybe and maybe not. as he stated,
he may want to be able use it personally after the fact..
> I wouldn't have any problem opening it for him in person.
neither would most locksmith/safe tech's in person.
> No I'm not going to tell him how to do it here and I
> frankly wouldn't tell him even in person for free either.
> It looks like he already got the info he wanted so now I'm
> curious if he can do the opening.
I figure he can do the opening but the damage incurred will
be interesting..
--
"Key"
=====
'Key
you really don't realize just how much an irritant the gas
can be till you experience it. !!!
--
"Key"
=====
qwerty
The machine is open and repaired. It went very easy and took 13 minutes and
about 45 seconds. Yes I timed it just for fun. No real problems. I was off
just a hair on my drilling measurement and came in slightly too far to the
left but I could still see the fence by looking up and right. The spindle
broke when the dial was removed but no big deal I was told that would
probably happen. To be honest I don't see the big deal. I talked to a guy I
know who has worked commercial insurance for years and he says safes are
conservatively rated for the time they will stand up to attack and that for
good security they shouldn't be expected to hold out past that. Given that I
was told here this safe is rated 5 minutes and it took me just under 14
minutes. I don't see how it's going to be burglarized if it's properly
protected in keeping with it's rating. A pro might do it a little quicker
but most of the time was spent drilling or changing tools. I have done a lot
of metal working and if I had drilled any faster even with the lubricant I
would have burned up bits and or work hardened it so I really don't think
you are going to drill this in less than 5 minutes. That being the case
anybody who has alarms and the other security insurance would seem to
require shouldn't have to worry unless some exotic means of entry is used.
Here are 3 of the pics. In one you can clearly see the drill bit sticking
through.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4pf0vf4
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4p1c3d4
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6h72mjd
Mike Easter
> The machine is open and repaired.
> Here are 3 of the pics. In one you can clearly see the drill bit
> sticking through.
Thanks for the feedback.
That seems like a pretty bulky way to get a safe.
--
Mike Easter
qwerty
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
So what's your point? If there is debate then there are two different
opinions so some people will answer questions and someone did.
> evidently you don't have or care to have a clue about the
> "serious principles"
> to the Locksmiths here, its a matter of "ethics". to the
> rest here, "ethics have nothing to do with it.
> so, the defeating instructions you get will NOT be coming
> from the locksmiths.
> they will be coming from the resident trolls.
With all due respect this is patent nonsense. The "troll" gave useful
information that helped me solve my problem so the "troll" is A-OK with me.
He or she has a certain writing style that some might find abrasive or
offensive but I don't care. I care about the information and the information
was dead on. You don't like it for whatever reason but that's just your own
personal opinion. I think this pretty clearly shows that the secrecy many
here seem to promote is an abysmal failure. I got the info I was looking for
and the person who gave it to me had it to give so is there really any
secrecy at all or just an illusion of secrecy?
> sorry,
> but thats the way it is around here.
No that's the way you claim it is. Personally I would say the trolls are
the people who chime in with snide remarks when someone asks a question not
the people who provide the answers. If you don't want to answer just ignore
the inquiry. The people who don't do that are just seeking attention.
> > It then goes on to list information on pick guns,
> > lock picking guides, sources for books on bypassing alarms
> > and locks,
> > information on how to trick a locksmith or clerk into
> > duplicating a key
> > marked "do not duplicate", sources for lockpicks, and a
> > whole lot more. It
> > also links to a cool online code site that doesn't appear
> > to require you to
> > be a locksmith to sign up. If you think this is suppose to
> > discourage anyone
> > from asking how to bypass a lock, a safe, or whatever,
> > you need to go
> > actually read what's there because I don't think you have.
> > It's like the
> > lockpicker central resource center.
>
> the above is just information anyone can find on the net.
Now you're just spinning. If it's ethicly OK to give the defeating
information the FAQ gives it's OK to give the information I asked for. It
either is or isn't ethical. It isn't ethical to tell how to defeat some
locks and unethical to tell how to defeat others so don't point me to a FAQ,
or guide to this board, for lack of a better term, that gives a ton of
information on defeating locks and security and claim that it bolsters your
position that such is unethical when in fact it destroys it. This is plain
simple logic.
> but it has nothing to do with the (locksmiths personal
> ethics) you will find on this group.
> think about it...
> --
> "Key"
> =====
More opinion. The fact is this secret guild or trade or whatever you want to
call it stuff is dead. You may have been able to keep some of this
information secret before the internet but those days are long long gone
never to return. The fact that my question was answered in 24 hours or so
proves that. This is the information age and no one group or person holds a
monopoly on information. You may not like it but it doesn't matter. 100
people can keep a secret. It only takes one to give it away and make the
efforts of the 100 useless. Because of that and the way in which information
is spread via the internet you can't keep information like what I asked for
a secret. Further after doing a little more research I've learned the info
on this safe is relevant to many others so the effect is multiplied. Trying
to keep comercially useful information secret in this day and age is like
sweeping back the ocean with a broom. That's just the way it is.
qwerty
"'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
Not much damage at all. It's already repaired and working. I even reused the
same lock with the spindle from the 'new' one which was identical. With a
tapered roller bearing driven nice and hard into the hole in the door and
ground off I don't think the hole in the lock case is much of a problem. If
anyone drives on the hardened steel bearing to knock it in further I imagine
they will just manage to jam it into the wheels and really lock themselves
out. Drilling the hardened steel will be harder than drilling the plate that
was there before so if anything it is more secure than before.
qwerty
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
It's already opened and repaired thanks. I used a tapered roller bearing to
fill the hole and it will be harder to open now than when I started. It was
also empty just as I figured it would be. In fact it looks like the
container that would hold the cash is missing entirely. There is a rack for
it but nothing there. Now all I have to do is strip out all the
electo-mechanical crap that's in it and I can use it for what I intended.
qwerty
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
If you mean the physical size of the thing the head that has the screen and
card reader and the chasis for the elctronics and mechanicals inside all
comes out with screws leaving a rectangular steel box just the right size to
bolt down and put power tools and the like in. I really don't consider this
a 'safe' per say although technically I guess you could call it that. This
is just for storage of tools etc. I think of it as a relatively low security
locker to slow a thief down but still a lot better than the flimsy sheet
metal things that would cost me a couple hundred retail and look like they
can be pried open with a screwdriver in a couple seconds.
'Key
> ---snip---
there will probably never be an agreement here.
this same subject has been hashed out over and over.
but
we can agree not to agree.
--
"Key"
=====
'Key
> Not much damage at all. It's already repaired and working.
> I even reused the
> same lock with the spindle from the 'new' one which was
> identical. With a
> tapered roller bearing driven nice and hard into the hole
> in the door and
> ground off I don't think the hole in the lock case is much
> of a problem. If
> anyone drives on the hardened steel bearing to knock it in
> further I imagine
> they will just manage to jam it into the wheels and really
> lock themselves
> out. Drilling the hardened steel will be harder than
> drilling the plate that
> was there before so if anything it is more secure than
> before.
>
it is good that ya got it and will be able to use it.
also good ya thought about the roller bearing.
it was a good idea that's been used for a very long time.
--
"Key"
=====
BogusID
>
> "'Key" <K...@Ya.Net> wrote in message
> news:su2dnTjjp474B-Tb...@comcast.com...
>
>> "serious principles" to the Locksmiths here, its a matter of
>> "ethics". to the rest here, "ethics have nothing to do with it.
>> so, the defeating instructions you get will NOT be coming
>
> With all due respect this is patent nonsense. The "troll" gave useful
> information that helped me solve my problem so the "troll" is A-OK with
> me.
> He or she has a certain writing style that some might find abrasive or
> offensive but I don't care. I care about the information and the
> information
> was dead on. You don't like it for whatever reason but that's just your
> own
> personal opinion. I think this pretty clearly shows that the secrecy many
> here seem to promote is an abysmal failure. I got the info I was looking
> for
> and the person who gave it to me had it to give so is there really any
> secrecy at all or just an illusion of secrecy?
>
>> sorry,
>> but thats the way it is around here.
>
> No that's the way you claim it is. Personally I would say the trolls are
> the people who chime in with snide remarks when someone asks a question
> not
> the people who provide the answers. If you don't want to answer just
> ignore
> the inquiry. The people who don't do that are just seeking attention.
>
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Perspective can be a Funny thing.I've been a locksmith for 4 years now, and
I recognize (and have said) that I have LOTS to learn.I'm fortunate enough
to be in a working relationship where I'm making good income, taking care of
customer business well, and experience new challenges.The main reason I'm
here, is to share experiences and hopefully grow from it.Basically I know
enough to realize that I don't know enough, and that's my seed for personal
growth.I'm not one of those apparently fortunate folks to have been born
into this world already possessing all knowledge of things, that look down
and scoff at others for trying to help and/or improve. Hopefully in another
20 years I can continue to share what I have learned without having become a
self important pompous ass.Personally, I feel we should be able to discuss
anything that is in the FAQ, is 'common or layman knowledge' and can be
easily found on the web. There are some cases where info is available via
web search, but having insight of having performed a task helps to avoid
pitfalls and solve the problem more effectively.Now this thread will
probably continue for weeks about morality, ethics, and merits/caveats of
obfuscation.I'm still looking forward to seeing any pictures you may have
taken!Regards,David
BogusID
Thanks for sharing the pictures.
That's a cool idea using it for tool storage.
Tools, dremel bits and such are getting expensive, and it's good enough to
stop those casual borrowers..
peterwn
> I'll thank you not to give out secure information on an open
> forum.
>
I was a kid when I saw that movie (cannot remember the name) and I
thought surely they were not going to give useful safecracking tips, but
then was amused by the way the movie makers got round the problem by
scriptng the instructor inmate to advise the others to attack the hinges.
At that time there was still Milner 212 and other ancient turn of the
century (that is 19th to 20th) safes storing serious money.
Macky
"BogusID" <Bog...@YesItIs.com> wrote in message
Dude what a hypocrite you are. This open exchange of information stance is a
total load of caca coming from you. What did you add to this thread? Wait.
Here it is:
"Using the aioe public news server to possibly avoid being traced...hmmm.
I'd recommend calling your local diebold office with the serial number, and
see what they can do for you.
<http://www.diebold.com/>"
Wow that was helpful. The funniest part is you want to see pics this guy
took after opening a safe but you don't have the balls to give any info to
him about how to do it whatsoever? He was a lot nicer than I would have
been. I wouldn't have posted shit except maybe by mail to the one guy who
gave the info. The fact is I don't think 9 out of 10 of you had any idea how
to open it.
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