Herring Hall Marvin safe
drbob
safe is open and I have removed the cover to the lock. There are three
tumblers there, each with a pin indicating a number and it allows it
to interdigitate with the one below it. I know the answer is there in
front of me but how the hell do I get this to lock and unlock?
Stormin Mormon
think..... Oh yeah. Turn the phone dial, and call a
locksmith or safe and vault technician. That's it.
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"drbob" <th2t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jay Hennigan
If you observe the wheels, you'll see that each has a notch in it called
a "gate". Somewhere along the circumference of the wheels is a bar
called a "fence" that is capable of dropping in to the notch if and only
if all of the wheels have the gates lined up directly under the fence.
DO NOT CLOSE THE DOOR!!!
Having a helper or a mirror to observe will be useful. Turn the dial
several times in one direction, make a note if left or right, there's a
50% chance you're starting the correct way. Then stop and turn it in
the other direction. Observe that only one wheel connected directly to
the dial will turn. Keep turning and you'll see the next wheel "pick
up" and begin to turn. Keep going until all of the wheels are turning.
Stop when the LAST wheel that picked up has its gate directly under the
fence. Write down the number on the dial.
Turn the dial in the other direction. You'll see that the same thing
happens with the wheels. Count the number of turns until the
NEXT-TO-LAST wheel picks up. Stop when the NEXT-TO-LAST wheel to pick
up has its gate directly under the fence. Write down the number of
turns needed and the number on the dial.
Then reverse direction again, keep going until the same thing happens
with the next wheel. Again write down the number of turns and the
number on the dial.
Keep going until all gates are directly under the fence. If the fence
doesn't drop in, try turning the handle to see if it does. If there's a
little butterfly gizmo in the center of the dial, turn back to zero and
try to twist it, see if the fence drops in.
If all of that fails, then start over, this time turning the dial in the
other direction first.
Once you get it to work, DO NOT CLOSE THE DOOR!!!
Test it at least five times without looking at the mechanism, looking
just at the dial and counting the turns. Put the back cover back on the
lock and test it several more times before you even THINK about closing
the door. Don't close the door until you can open it five times in a
row without fail.
If you want to change the combination, it can be tricky. If there's a
small mark at around 11 o'clock on the dial ring and the back cover of
the lock has a hole that looks like a diamond with a line extending from
one of the points, you can do it yourself with the proper tool which
looks like a square Allen wrench with a flag on it. You will need the
make and model of the lock (not the safe). Instructions vary but
essentially you dial the combination to the small mark, insert and turn
the tool, then dial the new combination to the small mark, remove the
tool and test it several times to the main mark. A well-equipped
locksmith should be able to get the tool for you. As you may have
observed from other replies here, some locksmiths have an attitude about
helping people who want to figure things out for themselves, so don't
get discouraged. Online sources may also be able to help.
If there is no such line on the dial ring and no hole in the back of the
lock, you're better off having a locksmith (a good one who knows safes,
not a slim-jim-jockey) do it for you. Probably a lot cheaper if the
safe is small enough for you to transport it WITH THE DOOR STILL OPEN to
the locksmith.
In case you haven't guessed, it would be a very BAD IDEA TO CLOSE THE
DOOR until you are certain that you can open the lock multiple times
without failure.
Links that may help:
http://analoghacking.com/documents/How%20Safes%20Work.pdf
http://security.ericschmiedl.com/safecracking.pdf
Jay Hennigan
One more thing...
Don't even think about lubricating anything or getting a can of WD-40
within aiming distance of the innards of that safe. If the operation of
the dial and wheels isn't smooth and very repeatable, call a pro.
Stormin Mormon
Young's Law of usenet: After Nazis have been
evoked and called forth from the spirit world,
someone is sure to mention WD-40. The debate
"is it a lubricant or water displacer" is not
complete until someone explains what the letters
abbrev. for. Points are earned by quoting usenet
posters of old, Aristotle, or your own personal
experiences with WD-40. Web pages abound, and
are on topic for the debate. Regardless of how
worthy an argument is, no one is allowed to change
sides. The debate must continue to eternity.
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Christopher A. Young
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"Jay Hennigan" <j...@west.net> wrote in message
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drbob
Thank you Jay and notanywhere. One problem with both fixes is that
when I removed the back of the combination dial the 3 wheels are
attached to a metal spindle connected to the cover plate, there is one
attached to the dial mechanism. All have a the metal piece (not the
one alone attached to the dial mech) in a numbered slot and I have
spun them and watched them pick the one below it. However I cannot do
that while connected to the dial. Even though I have three numbers I
am not sure which comes first or how many turns. I have tried the
numbers in both directions with a 4L 3R 2L sequence without success.
May just have to bite the bullet and take to a safe specialist or
locksmith to have it straightened out. Thanks for all you help, its
greatly appreciated.
As for the stormin mormon: If you don't have anything intelligent to
offer why do you feel people will be amused with your juvenile
comments. Are you so lonely that you have to be on MANY DIFFERENT
BLOGS to criticize the smallest points? Perhaps your time would be
better spent studying the bible and trying to live up to the examples
of the religion you wear on your sleeve. You seem to talk the talk,
but I doubt you are up to the walk.
drbob
Jay Hennigan
> Thank you Jay and notanywhere. One problem with both fixes is that
> when I removed the back of the combination dial the 3 wheels are
> attached to a metal spindle connected to the cover plate, there is one
> attached to the dial mechanism. All have a the metal piece (not the
> one alone attached to the dial mech) in a numbered slot and I have
> spun them and watched them pick the one below it. However I cannot do
> that while connected to the dial. Even though I have three numbers I
> am not sure which comes first or how many turns. I have tried the
> numbers in both directions with a 4L 3R 2L sequence without success.
> May just have to bite the bullet and take to a safe specialist or
> locksmith to have it straightened out. Thanks for all you help, its
> greatly appreciated.
Is there a manufacturer name and/or model number on the lock itself?
This would help. And/or take some pictures and post a link. If you can
figure out the relationship between the gates in the wheels and by close
examination determine the dialing sequence, you may be able to reduce
the total number of trial combinations to 100 or fewer.
For example, if you determine that the difference between the numbers is
first number +40 = second and second -15 is third, then you can try
0-40-25, 1-41-26, and so on.
Or dial the trial combination, then very carefully remove the back with
the wheels without disturbing them, verify that the gates in the wheel
pack line up with each other. That lets you know that the numbers are
correct with respect to each other but not necessarily with the dial.
This is a huge reduction in trial combinations, from one million to 100.
Once you get the relationship between the numbers to each other and the
number of turns and direction correct by trial and error plus deduction,
try adding 10 to each number. Then carefully take the back off again
and see if you are closer or farther from alignment with the fence.
Once you get close, add or subtract one from each number. Safe locks
are built to relatively tight tolerances. If you are one digit off on
any number it probably won't open.
Typically after you dial all three numbers, you then turn the dial in
the opposite direction so that the notch in the drive cam engages and
pulls the bolt in. The dial will stop turning, usually near digit "0",
when the bolt retracts. To lock, turn in the opposite direction.
Stormin Mormon
what to write. There may be a lot of truth in what you
write.
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"drbob" <th2t...@gmail.com>
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Stormin Mormon
a safe tech to do the job.
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> Something about turning something or other. Hang on, let me
> think..... Oh yeah. Turn the phone dial, and call a
> locksmith or safe and vault technician. That's it.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
Stormin Mormon
trade. He wants me, for free, to tell him what
I studied and worked to learn. So, who's the AH,
in this conversation?
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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Jay Hennigan
> I did schooling and apprenticeship to learn the
> trade. He wants me, for free, to tell him what
> I studied and worked to learn. So, who's the AH,
> in this conversation?
for something you wrote over two years ago, maybe?
Stormin Mormon
such a long time ago......
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H. Clinton, on Benghazi attack.
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AND GETTING IT SMOOTH HAS BEEN A JOB. BUT I CAN NOT MAKE OUT THE GRAPHICS ON THE OUT SIDE OF FRONT DOORS AND ON THE INSIDE DOUBLE DOORS I CAN GET A PARTIAL DESIGN BUT BUT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANYONE THAT CAN MAKE THEM FOR ME. ANY HELP IN THIS MATTER WOULD BE GREAT I NEED SOME HELP.
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I Have one of these safes and can tell you if the #s are 50 40 30
it is 50L 5OL 50L 50L 40R 40R 40R 30L 30L AND THEN BACK TO (ZERO RT)
ONLY OTHER OPTION IS ONE LESS EACH WAY
50L 50L 50L 40R 40R 30L (ZERO RT)
ALWAYS LAND ON ZERO THOUGH