Slim Jims and Law Enforcement
Dominic
I have noticed over the last few years an increase in vehicles that are not
being opened with a slim jim. Is there a general rule on what a slim jim
can open ? We are in the police business and not the unlocking business and
I personally would like to leave that to the professionals. Any suggestions
or advice ?
We responded to a few thousand unlocks last year !! We respond and don't
get them open and ultimately are wasting time if we are not able to get in
with a slim jim in the first place.
Thanks
dom...@cox-internet.com
Evan
Read up and then decide how much you want to spend on tools...
Doing that will help you figure out which model cars you can open...
Evan the Maintenance Man
Key
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thats the reason the police shouldn't open cars.
(not enough training)
after a few times in court.
your city should stop requiring you to
perform an untrained duty.
my2ยข
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"Key"
Steve
police work. If you are busy, do we get called to assist a person about a
crime? Do what you are trained to do and let us do what we are trained to
do, and let us make a living.
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C B George
For exigent circumstances, having something to unlock cars is not a bad
thing. With manuals costing $99 and up and tools (check the Galls catalog)
running $20 to $199 and more and with no training, a better option is to
develop a liaison with a couple of experienced locksmiths. See if you can
develop some sort of protocol about expected response time (sort of like a
wrecker rotation). Always have the customer make the call so the expense of
the call out falls back on them.
With cars getting more advanced with anti-theft construction, be in the
Police business.
Just my2,
C George
Key
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> On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:46:01 GMT, you wrote:
>
> >
> >thats the reason the police shouldn't open cars.
> >(not enough training)
> >after a few times in court.
> >your city should stop requiring you to
> >perform an untrained duty.
> >
> >my2ยข
> >--
> >"Key"
> liability carrier starts paying out...
>
> DO you know that you can drop $1700+ into the doors of a
Camero?
> getting them fixed? my city found that out...
>
> amazing how much stuff was damaged...
>
> --Shiva--
>
same happened here years ago.
I followed them on an opening where they disconnected every
possible linkage on every one of the doors on a Cry - New
Yorker. Not to mention the tearing the weather stripping and
scratching the paint.
the "hold harmless" paperwork that the police and fire
departments had folks sign did NOT hold up in court.
my2
--
"Key"
bob555
>
> thats the reason the police shouldn't open cars.
> (not enough training)
> after a few times in court.
> your city should stop requiring you to
> perform an untrained duty.
>
> my2ยข
I think it depends quite a bit on the indivdual situation, and from a
legal perspective, a city's liability from a officer breaking a window
or disconnecting a linkage is pretty small. Obviously, the best thing
would be for any city involved in this to require a carefully thought
out waiver, but even without it, the financial risk is MANY times
lower than what the city faces from merely having city trash trucks
and police cars on the roads.
I also think that in a good number of smaller towns and communities,
public sentiment runs towards police doing the occasional unlock. In
which case, the police department would be wise to invest in a decent
manual and some higher quality tools. There are lots of oppinions as
to which tools to use...personally, just to give you something to look
at:
http://secure.kaizensolutions.com/techtrain/category.asp?SID=26&Category_ID=38
Although I don't own one, I wonder if the techtrain wedging tool thing
+ air wedge would be a good option for police departments: It works
the same on all car=no manuals to buy, and the price is a good bit
lower than a full tool set.
Granted wedging the door isn't always the most professional way
in...but they aren't doing this for a living.
Key
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"bob555" <bobgo...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> >
> > thats the reason the police shouldn't open cars.
> > (not enough training)
> > after a few times in court.
> > your city should stop requiring you to
> > perform an untrained duty.
> >
> > my2ยข
>
>
>
> I think it depends quite a bit on the indivdual
situation, and from a
> legal perspective, a city's liability from a officer
breaking a window
> or disconnecting a linkage is pretty small.
sure wasn't "small" around here. the police and fire
departments were messing something up more times than not.
> Obviously, the best thing
> would be for any city involved in this to require a
carefully thought
> out waiver, but even without it, the financial risk is
MANY times
> lower than what the city faces from merely having city
trash trucks
> and police cars on the roads.
the financial risk is more than you would think.
I know of two "butcher jobs" that the police done that cost
the city about 1.5K.
not to mention that it infrenges on private enterprize.
those two things are what we hit our city with to get them
to stop.
> I also think that in a good number of smaller towns and
communities,
> public sentiment runs towards police doing the occasional
unlock.
just because the "public sentiment runs towards police doing
the occasional unlock" doesn't mean that the police should
be wasting their time opening cars.
the public doesn't realize there is a cost involved to send
a police car and a couple of officers or a fire truck with
entire crew to do an opening.
they just think they are getting it for free.
> In
> which case, the police department would be wise to invest
in a decent
> manual and some higher quality tools.
sure it would be wise but it doesn't happen that way in the
real world.
they just hand the officers a slim-jim and tell them to open
cars.
my2
---
"Key"
Evan
police hand you a list of names and numbers copied from the phone book and
say good luck...
Someone sued one of the towns in my area claiming that they only would call
'certain' tow compaines and locksmiths to do lockouts, thus creating an
unfair monopoly on such services... Since that happened you get a glimpse
of that list from the phone book and and 'good luck' unless you
specifically ask the police to call AAA for you...
It is a shame that you want it both ways -- You do not want the police to
open cars but at the same time you want them to call you everytime someone
needs a car opened... Is that really fair ???
Evan the Maintenance Man
Putyourspamhere
>From: "Dominic" dom...@cox-internet.com
>Date: 3/25/2004 9:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <10676u5...@corp.supernews.com>
>
>My department currently uses slim jims to open cars for people locked out.
>I have noticed over the last few years an increase in vehicles that are not
>being opened with a slim jim. Is there a general rule on what a slim jim
>can open ? We are in the police business and not the unlocking business and
>I personally would like to leave that to the professionals. Any suggestions
>or advice ?
Just don't do it. Very few newer cars can be easily opened with the traditional
slim jim w/o damage. The damage when it occurs can be expensive.
Key
"Evan" <guy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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---snip---
> It is a shame that you want it both ways -- You do not
want the police to
> open cars but at the same time you want them to call you
everytime someone
> needs a car opened... Is that really fair ???
>
> Evan the Maintenance Man
>
wanting them to call a trained professional
instead of screwing up someone's car.
YES. thats fair in my book !
Aegis
"Evan" <guy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I would have to say that's fair. The police don't want us chasing down
criminals, but at the same time they want us to call them everytime we see
one don't they?
gom...@earthlink.net
or death situation.
I was told by one of the officers that they were tired of getting
calls from the same people and spending too much time doing auto
openings instead of patrolling for drunk drivers and curfew
violators-to mention a few things.
goma.
bob555
> --
> sure wasn't "small" around here. the police and fire
> departments were messing something up more times than not.
> the financial risk is more than you would think.
> I know of two "butcher jobs" that the police done that cost
> the city about 1.5K.
Did the police have a well written waiver? My point isn't that police
should go into the lockout buiness everywhere, rather that the
liability issues aren't that bad. How many times, and how much did
your city have to pay for repairs? $1.5k every couple of years isn't
exactly going to break most PD's. From a legal perspective, the
concept of a high $ tort case resaulting from a lockout pales in
comparison to 99.5% of police work.
> not to mention that it infrenges on private enterprize.
> those two things are what we hit our city with to get them
> to stop.
The infringe on private enterprise claim would also vary from state to
state, but certainly you can imagine situations where it would not
apply. There are rural areas without a automotive locksmith that does
night calls, etc. In most cases, as long as the Police aren't charging
or advertising for the service, it would be a hard case to make. If
you are aware of a sucessful lawsuit based on this, let me know.
> > just because the "public sentiment runs towards police doing
> the occasional unlock" doesn't mean that the police should
> be wasting their time opening cars.
> the public doesn't realize there is a cost involved to send
> a police car and a couple of officers or a fire truck with
> entire crew to do an opening.
> they just think they are getting it for free.
I certainly wouldn't advocate the police spending a great amount of
time doing lockout work, but the cost is pretty insignifcant to have
an otherwise unoccupide officer stop by. Small town police wind up
doing alot of community services, from jump starting, to rescuing a
kid's kite. Depending on the town, doing the occasionally automotive
lockout fits in the same boat.
> sure it would be wise but it doesn't happen that way in the
> real world.
> they just hand the officers a slim-jim and tell them to open
> cars.
I do know of small town PD's that stock decent car opening stuff, and
the original poster is at least showing some interest in better
tools/knowledge. In that situation, I'd rather he read up a little,
bought some tools, and did a decent job than just tell him to go away.
Bob DeWeese, CML
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> Someone sued one of the towns in my area claiming that they only would
call
> 'certain' tow compaines and locksmiths to do lockouts, thus creating an
> unfair monopoly on such services...
I walked into the local precinct last week to get an inspection ticket
signed off on for a bad headlight. I noticed a stack of business cards for
one of the area's worst locksmiths. I told the cop on duty about all the
complaints about the guy and he acted like he couldn't care less.
> It is a shame that you want it both ways -- You do not want the police to
> open cars but at the same time you want them to call you everytime someone
> needs a car opened... Is that really fair ???
>
> Evan the Maintenance Man
>
>
I have a friend work worked as the maintainance man for a Catholic high
school. One day a couple of the retired guys at the church told the head
honcho at the school that the school didn't need to pay a maintainance man.
They would be happy to do all the maintainanve work for free. My friend
lost his job.
Is that fair?
On the bright side, (if there was one), my friend's tax dolloars didn't have
to pay the salery of the people who took his income.
I try desperatly to aviod being sucked into the police opening cars (and
houses) debate. I've been a locksmith for over 23 years and have heard all
the reasoning from both sides. I really don't even do that many car
openings anymore. I'm either too busy or too expensive.
I do remember, though, how frustrated I used to get when I'd go out to a car
opening and the police had already let them in. Half the time, they (the
police) would actually laugh at me for coming out for nothing. Meanwhile
I'm helping to pay his salary to take my job.
Is _that_ fair?
Bob
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for you. 1 Peter 5:6-7
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where about that time, Chevy started to use slide locks.
You're going to have a hard time convincing the department to go out of the
unlocking business.
That occasional "score" when the guys get one sure feels good. Helps keep
the fellows going. It's like players who are hooked on Lotto. When the car
door opens, it's like the lotto card that had a two dollar winner. That's
just one man's view, though.
--
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"Dominic" <dom...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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Evan
That condition of having someone locked in a car "IN DANGER" usually
authorizes a police or fire official to smash it open rather than use less
damaging entry techniques...
As for legal issues regarding the liability for damages of a broken car
window in a situation such as that "child or animal in a hot/cold car
somewhere" the broken window is the smallest thing that the person who owns
the car has to worry about... They should be worrying more along the lines
of the ticket or summons for animal abuse and dealing with the Department of
Social Services on the matter of child endangerment and any possible
criminal charges that could also occur given the variance of the laws in
your locality...
Evan the Maintenance Man
Key
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> > --
>
>
> > sure wasn't "small" around here. the police and fire
> > departments were messing something up more times than
not.
> > the financial risk is more than you would think.
> > I know of two "butcher jobs" that the police done that
cost
> > the city about 1.5K.
>
> Did the police have a well written waiver?
forget the exact words but it sounded good to me.
however, the bottom line is that the city had to pay the
claims that were brought against them anyway.
> My point isn't that police
> should go into the lockout buiness everywhere, rather that
the
> liability issues aren't that bad. How many times, and how
much did
> your city have to pay for repairs? $1.5k every couple of
years isn't
> exactly going to break most PD's.
don't know the exact number of claims but it was way more
than two.
like I stated, they messed up more than they opend damage
free.
> From a legal perspective, the
> concept of a high $ tort case resaulting from a lockout
pales in
> comparison to 99.5% of police work.
doesn't apply
they shouldn't even be doing the .5% in the first place..
also, it doesn't take much damage to cost a few hundred for
repairs.
> > not to mention that it infrenges on private enterprize.
> > those two things are what we hit our city with to get
them
> > to stop.
>
> The infringe on private enterprise claim would also vary
from state to
> state, but certainly you can imagine situations where it
would not
> apply.
it applies in my state Louisiana.
the only time it wouldn't apply here would be in a life &
death situation.
(now that would be more in the lines of police work)
> There are rural areas without a automotive locksmith that
does
> night calls, etc. In most cases, as long as the Police
aren't charging
> or advertising for the service, it would be a hard case to
make. If
> you are aware of a sucessful lawsuit based on this, let me
know.
if there wasn't a professional availabe at all ?
that would be an entire different situation.
I would think that most rural areas would at least have a
wreaker availabe 24/7 though.
> > > just because the "public sentiment runs towards police
doing
> > the occasional unlock" doesn't mean that the police
should
> > be wasting their time opening cars.
> > the public doesn't realize there is a cost involved to
send
> > a police car and a couple of officers or a fire truck
with
> > entire crew to do an opening.
> > they just think they are getting it for free.
>
> I certainly wouldn't advocate the police spending a great
amount of
> time doing lockout work, but the cost is pretty
insignifcant to have
> an otherwise unoccupide officer stop by.
it cost more than the standard lockout price though.
also, an officer that is on duty should be "unoccupide".
his time could be spent better patrolling then spending a
half hour performing the so called public service lockout.
> Small town police wind up
> doing alot of community services, from jump starting,
agree they do but "jump starting" could also be given to a
wreaker.
> to rescuing a
> kid's kite.
I don't think they should do that one either.
unless the kite is hung in the high lines ?
> Depending on the town, doing the occasionally automotive
> lockout fits in the same boat.
disagree.
see above
> > sure it would be wise but it doesn't happen that way in
the
> > real world.
> > they just hand the officers a slim-jim and tell them to
open
> > cars.
>
>
> I do know of small town PD's that stock decent car opening
stuff,
well, there are many small towns around us but NONE of them
carry anything but a slim-jim that they were never trained
to use.
> and the original poster is at least showing some interest
in better
> tools/knowledge.
he showed interest in better knowledge to use his issued
slim-jim
> In that situation, I'd rather he read up a little,
> bought some tools, and did a decent job than just tell him
to go away.
do you really think that a police officer will purchase an
opening system out of their own pocket. don't see it
happening in the real world.
g'day
--
"Key
Evan
You are a locksmith with very high technical skill based upon your posts
from this group...
I will advise you to stick to locks -- your analogy of your friend who was a
maintenance man at a Catholic High School compared to a sworn police officer
was a bad one... The police officer is paid for with tax dollars... The
Catholic School employee is paid for by the Catholic diocese through
donations and other fund raising efforts... Government assistance to such
schools (if any at all) is usually in the form of tangible goods, (i.e.
textbooks or supplies, or transportation services) and not cash...
The argument that arises from this 'issue' as you put it is one of cornering
the market for certain types of business, and exactly who the local law
enforcement can recommend... It is not a stretch of anyones imagination to
see a systematic 'recommendation' of one trade professional over another as
some form of possible corruption... It makes an official implication on the
qualifications of a trade professional... I have heard recently that the
town here is also having someone raise complaints about the Public Works
department and its list of 'approved contractors' for water and sewer work
whenever a homeowner has an issue that the town is not responsible for...
How would you like it if you found out about such lists in your area and
discovered that your name was somehow *absent* from it...
Life _is_ unfair... Get used to it... Unless you can prove that it is
systematically unfair because of someone abusing authority, then it can be
fixed to some extent...
Evan the Maintenance Man
Evan
You are correct -- police should spend more time patrolling, however even if
they are not doing lockout work they still are not patrolling for some
reason...
Sometimes the police are standing next to holes by the side of the road on
private money, other times they are off somewhere (hidden from public view)
sneaking a nap... Remember that 8 hour shift is tough, as many cops work
details and overtime... So they sleep through some of the 'regular time'
that the taxpayers have to compensate them for rather than the overtime and
private details which is extra cash for them and often doubles an officer's
yearly salary...
Evan the Maintenance Man
Key
> Key:
>
> You are correct -- police should spend more time
patrolling, however even if
> they are not doing lockout work they still are not
patrolling for some
> reason...
donut shop :-)
> Sometimes the police are standing next to holes by the
side of the road on
> private money, other times they are off somewhere (hidden
from public view)
> sneaking a nap... Remember that 8 hour shift is tough, as
many cops work
> details and overtime... So they sleep through some of the
'regular time'
> that the taxpayers have to compensate them for rather than
the overtime and
> private details which is extra cash for them and often
doubles an officer's
> yearly salary...
>
> Evan the Maintenance Man
>
I agree..
there are all kinds in every profession.
including mine and yours :-)
g'day
---
"Key"
Bob DeWeese, CML
> I will advise you to stick to locks -- your analogy of your friend who was
a
> maintenance man at a Catholic High School compared to a sworn police
officer
> was a bad one... The police officer is paid for with tax dollars...
Does that mean he should provide services other than laew enforcement to the
comunity is "competition" with local businesses?
> How would you like it if you found out about such lists in your area and
> discovered that your name was somehow *absent* from it...
>
> Life _is_ unfair... Get used to it... Unless you can prove that it is
> systematically unfair because of someone abusing authority, then it can be
> fixed to some extent...
>
Try foloowing the thread a litlle closer. I never said I had a problem with
them recomending a particular locksmith or even having a list (I wouldn't
be on it anyway... don't have the time)
I just have a problem with them recomending "just anybody" without first
checking into whom they are recomending to the public. This guy is bad
news.
You know even I wasn't flaming you. I was just making a point. Your
response "stick to locks was uncalled for. I've always welcomed you hear.
In fact I've treated you like a fellow locksmith even though (in your own
words), you're "maintainance man".
Sorry for all the (probable) typos. No toime to check. Gotta get out the
door.
--
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www.bearlock.com
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Bear Lock & Security Service, Inc - A full service locksmith company
specializing in professional, cost effective solutions to your
Commercial, Residential, Safe, and Automotive Security Problems.
<>< Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that he may
lift you up in due time. Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares
for you. 1 Peter 5:6-7
"Evan" <guy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bob:
>
> You are a locksmith with very high technical skill based upon your posts
> from this group...
>
The
> Catholic School employee is paid for by the Catholic diocese through
> donations and other fund raising efforts... Government assistance to such
> schools (if any at all) is usually in the form of tangible goods, (i.e.
> textbooks or supplies, or transportation services) and not cash...
>
> The argument that arises from this 'issue' as you put it is one of
cornering
> the market for certain types of business, and exactly who the local law
> enforcement can recommend... It is not a stretch of anyones imagination
to
> see a systematic 'recommendation' of one trade professional over another
as
> some form of possible corruption... It makes an official implication on
the
> qualifications of a trade professional... I have heard recently that the
> town here is also having someone raise complaints about the Public Works
> department and its list of 'approved contractors' for water and sewer work
> whenever a homeowner has an issue that the town is not responsible for...
>
> Evan the Maintenance Man
>
>
Evan
Do you know what you call a lazy maintenance man ???
Boss...
They always seem to get promoted because they have so much extra time to sit
around and talk with people and have coffee etc, because they aren't busy
working like the people who know how to do the job and keep things running
smoothly...
Evan the Maintenance Man
Stormin Mormon
and made the button move, but the door didn't unlock. I was able to pick the
drivers side lock (the wrong way) but not the right way.
Finally, the one back window slid down enough to be useful. (wink, wink). I
didn't think of that, but the gal was leaning on it, and noticed for me. I'm
humble enough to admit it.
She climbed in, and the BOTH front doors wouldn't open from the inside. The
locking buttons woulnd't turn.
She said it for me. "Guess that cop (&^*(& my door when he was ramming up
and down <insert butter churn behaviour> with that slim jim?"
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Aegis
Those that can, do.
Those that can't, get promoted.
Bob DeWeese, CML
get out the road.
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Steve Paris
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> My department currently uses slim jims to open cars for people locked out.
> I have noticed over the last few years an increase in vehicles that are
not
> being opened with a slim jim. Is there a general rule on what a slim jim
> can open ? We are in the police business and not the unlocking business
and
> I personally would like to leave that to the professionals. Any
suggestions
> or advice ?
>
> We responded to a few thousand unlocks last year !! We respond and don't
> get them open and ultimately are wasting time if we are not able to get in
> with a slim jim in the first place.
>
Does your police dept unblock drains or repair lawn mowers ?. The "FEW
THOUSAND" unlocks you 'STOLE' off the local locksmithing businesses is a
bloody crime in it's self. Only in America, .. thank God.
--
Steve Paris L/S
Tropical Cairns Nth Queensland
Australia.
Evan
Does your local Fire Department pump out flooded basements ???
A lot of the Fire Departments in the US do that kind of thing without
batting an eye...
Where is your outrage at that ???
Evan the Maintenance Man
todd
wasted on someone who is too cheap to call a locksmith. And this is also
why I always vote no for new taxes we have the $$ already just need to
learn how to spend it wisely.
Steve Paris
> Steve --
>
> Does your local Fire Department pump out flooded basements ???
>
> A lot of the Fire Departments in the US do that kind of thing without
> batting an eye...
>
> Where is your outrage at that ???
>
NO ! we don't have basements in this country, but even if we did, that
would be a plumbers job. We have a saying here, "each to his own trade",
which is pretty well self explanatory. Tow trucks just tow vehicles not do
lockouts, police enforce the law, not do carpentry, lockouts or tyre
repairs, and fire depts, ......... funny enough, just put out fires.
Key
message news:c4a151$6ln$1...@gnamma.connect.com.au...
thats the way it should be everywhere.
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Bob DeWeese, CML
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Slim Jims and Law Enforcement
> Does your local Fire Department pump out flooded basements ???
>
Only when it's a result of a busted water main or sewer line back-up
(meaning, like, the whole block/neighborhood is flooded). In other words,
if it's the city's/county's fault, they'll pump it out. If *your* water
pipe breaks, you're on your own.
I always though it was a stretch when locksmiths would say, "We'll if they
consider onlocking cars a "puplic service" why won't the come out and unclog
my toilet. Cute, but like I said, it's a stretch.
OTOH, I don't understand... If they will open cars -which takes special
tools and at least minimal training, why then won't the come out and give
people hot-shots when they're stuck at the mall with a dead battery? Any
(well, just about any) idiot can operate a set of jumper cables.
I can't believe I've allowed myself to be drawn back into kicking this dead
horse.
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Bob DeWeese, CML
bob...@spaammbearlock.com (remove"no spaamm")
C B George
of the police equipment.
"Bob DeWeese, CML" <nos...@forme.com> wrote in message
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Evan
Bob -- but this is much more fun than reading about everyone's open hatred
of this Ray guy...
Evan the Maintenance Man
Aegis
Down here the cops will get fired for assisting with a tire change, battery
jump, or unlock. They will be more than happy to have dispatch call a
locksmith of your choice for you.
Also, as far as the mall thing goes, that's what mall security is for...
What are public domain cops doing on private property when no crime has been
commited?
"Bob DeWeese, CML" <nos...@forme.com> wrote in message
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Key
why don't you call ray up on the phone and just chat with
him a while about his programs. make him answer questions.
then come back and tell everyone what you think of ray then.
you may then have more of a clue as to the reason why he is
so unliked.
--
"Key"
Bob DeWeese, CML
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> Common excuse for not offering jump starts is the "special" wiring for all
> of the police equipment.
And anybody who knows 12 volt DC electrical systems knows (assuming the
"police equipment" was installed properly) that excuse is a crock.
Henry E Schaffer
Bob DeWeese, CML <nos...@forme.com> wrote:
>"C B George" <nottak...@aboutdeliveryerror.com> wrote in message
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>> Common excuse for not offering jump starts is the "special" wiring for all
>> of the police equipment.
>
>And anybody who knows 12 volt DC electrical systems knows (assuming the
>"police equipment" was installed properly) that excuse is a crock.
Perhaps you're being too nice. I'd suggest it is a "double crock",
because it can obviously be done safely, and also because the car
(*because* of the special equipment) is likely to have much more battery
and alternator capacity than most cars.
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--henry schaffer
hes _AT_ ncsu _DOT_ edu
Leo Boyd II
since I even touched one.
I don't even cary one in my van anymore.
Leo Boyd
Boyd's Lock & Key
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> My department currently uses slim jims to open cars for people locked out.
> I have noticed over the last few years an increase in vehicles that are
not
> being opened with a slim jim. Is there a general rule on what a slim jim
> can open ? We are in the police business and not the unlocking business
and
> I personally would like to leave that to the professionals. Any
suggestions
> or advice ?
>
> We responded to a few thousand unlocks last year !! We respond and don't
> get them open and ultimately are wasting time if we are not able to get in
> with a slim jim in the first place.
>
> Thanks
> dom...@cox-internet.com
>
>
bob555
> Perhaps you're being too nice. I'd suggest it is a "double crock",
> because it can obviously be done safely, and also because the car
> (*because* of the special equipment) is likely to have much more battery
> and alternator capacity than most cars.
I agree, and I bet almost all PD's have nice heavy jumper cables!
Back to the orginal topic though, some police departments DO jump
starts, tow people out of snow drifts, drive people to the gas station
for gas, etc. About a year ago my car died on I-75 and the state
trooper stopped to 15 minutes to help trouble shoot the problem,
including checking for spark while I cranked it over! Along the same
line, some PD's do lockouts. If the voting public likes that
arrangement, even after it has been pointed out to them, that's just
the way it is. Certainly, a locksmith that feels like they're getting
screwed should complain, but do it nicely! We don't have a God-given
right to every lockout that comes our way, if it isn't the police, it
might be a sleezy low ball competitor.
If the voters like it enough in a given town, that's just the way it
is, and complaining about how unfair it is turns into whining
quickly=not getting customers. Heck, advertise that you repair broken
linkages and laugh your way to the bank. Specialize in high security
cars, transponders, whatever. Don't be bitter!
Key
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> Slim Jim... What's that? Oh yea, now I remeber. It's
been a long time
> since I even touched one.
>
> I don't even cary one in my van anymore.
>
> Leo Boyd
> Boyd's Lock & Key
we still carry them. they are still good for some openings.
(as long as they are used correctly)
there was a time when a slim-jim was the only tool we
carried.
my2ยข
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Steve Paris
>
> we still carry them. they are still good for some openings.
> (as long as they are used correctly)
> there was a time when a slim-jim was the only tool we
> carried.
>
We still use them here. I have one standard slim jim, and several that I
have modified for specific applications. They make great opening tools for
all sorts of things, with a bit of chopping and creative grinding here and
there.
Slice
someone has solved their calls for them before they arrive so they assume
you will too. Maybe they don't realize they are taking money from you.
Another side to the problem is they seem to open more cars for the wealthy
than the needy. In my area its common for the police dispatcher to send
policemen to help locked out persons that live in upper income neighborhoods
but won't send them into ghetto type areas. I have always advocated them
helping the poor or the elderly but I don't like to see the rich or insured
being helped while the others are ignored. Is an auto lockout a real
emergency? Don't you think needing a tow is much more of an emergency
situation than a lockout? A lockout is aggravating but a rock can get you
back on the road. It might be a little breezy but you can get to safety. Not
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> Around my parts unless it is something that gets resolved through AAA, the
> police hand you a list of names and numbers copied from the phone book and
> say good luck...
>
> Someone sued one of the towns in my area claiming that they only would
call
> 'certain' tow compaines and locksmiths to do lockouts, thus creating an
> of that list from the phone book and and 'good luck' unless you
> specifically ask the police to call AAA for you...
>
> It is a shame that you want it both ways -- You do not want the police to
> open cars but at the same time you want them to call you everytime someone
> needs a car opened... Is that really fair ???
>
> Evan the Maintenance Man
>
>
ahl
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> bobgo...@bigfoot.com (bob555) wrote:
> > Certainly, a locksmith that feels like they're getting
> > screwed should complain, but do it nicely!
>
> for doesn't make it unfair. It's like saying that your wife/girlfriend is
> being unfair to hookers by giving you free blowjobs.
FREE???
I thought all wives/girlfriends came with a lifetime repayment plan!