WTF - Schlage F cylinder removal

[Jay Hennigan]

A friend asked me to rekey a Schlage F lockset he bought at home Depot.
No big deal, I thought.

This thing is like a ship in a bottle! It looks like the doorknob was
shaped around the cylinder. I was able to do it by slipping the C-clip
off and sliding in a follower from the rear with the cylinder rattling
around inside the knob, but what a PITA! The earlier ones had a flange
that came off of the back side of the knob and the bible would pass
through a slot.

There has to be another way, I can't believe that actually made these
things that way. What's the trick?

[Stormin Mormon]

I also hate this design. The one you have, the spring cap compresses a bit.
In theory, it's possible to slip the cylinder out of the knob, by pushing
the spring cap down.

Never, ever, remove one of these spring caps, you'll never get it back on,
properly. Shim, key, twist, follow, that kind of thing.

The Schlage people probably saved a few cents, not having to make the ring
that slides off the back. Oh, I would not want to try to master key these.
Junk.

Christopher A. Young
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"Jay Hennigan" <j...@west.net> wrote in message
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[Jay Hennigan]

On 4/17/12 5:07 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I also hate this design. The one you have, the spring cap compresses a bit.
> In theory, it's possible to slip the cylinder out of the knob, by pushing
> the spring cap down.

Aha! That did the trick. That spring cap arrangement looks really
fragile. Probably not uncommon to see loose bits everywhere inside the
knob, especially if the customer installs it upside-down.

> Never, ever, remove one of these spring caps, you'll never get it back on,
> properly. Shim, key, twist, follow, that kind of thing.
>
> The Schlage people probably saved a few cents, not having to make the ring
> that slides off the back. Oh, I would not want to try to master key these.
> Junk.

Indeed, pure junk.

[Stormin Mormon]

I've had the ## things explode in the van, while trying to rekey them. I
despise the new design.

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[Evan]

On Apr 17, 6:13 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

Stormy:

If you hate the design so much then why keep selling them ?

Your reputation lives or does by the locks you install...

There are other better built lock sets out there that use the
Schlage C keyway, start selling those...

Unless your customers are dead set against buying real
locks which will have a price point of you know more than
$15 each...

~~ Evan

[Jay Hennigan]

On 4/20/12 10:50 AM, Evan wrote:

> If you hate the design so much then why keep selling them ?

It isn't always (or necessarily ever) a situation where anyone with a
clue is selling them. It's more like a case of customers buying them
elsewhere and asking those with a clue to service them.

*I* would never buy them, sell them, or recommend them.

[Stormin Mormon]

Would you buy, sell, or reccomend Evan? I would not.

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[Jay Hennigan]

On 4/20/12 3:03 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Would you buy, sell, or reccomend Evan? I would not.

Buying and selling humans*, even for small values of human, has been
illegal for a very long time.

Recommend, no.







* I know, assumes facts not in evidence, giving the benefit of the doubt
here.

[Evan]

I wouldn't touch them, they are now and always
have been junk...

Customers who want to have their locks installed
need to acknowledge in writing that the installer
makes no warranty for said locks... Any callbacks
not due to a detect of installation would result in
full labor charges to repair...

That will generally scare the average customer
into buying a lock set from you which you will
guarantee with some kind of parts/materials
warranty...

Just because the customer has a lock they
want you to do something with doesn't mean
you have to actually touch it -- do so and without
specifically excluding it from coverage, you are
the last trades person to work on it and under
an obligation to repair it if it fails unless you
specifically notify your customer differently
in writing...

[Stormin Mormon]

I didn't get any bidders, anyway. Not worth much.

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"Jay Hennigan" <j...@west.net> wrote in message

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[wyhs...@gmail.com]

I know its been over a year since you wrote this question but I work at Lowes and actually with the rekey kit its actually very easy to rekey these locks providing you have the kit. Now kwikset actually makes one that you don't even need a rekey kit to rekey. But since I been rekeying locks at Lowes I would buy a Schalge lock in a heartbeat instead of Kwikset.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 1/2/2014 2:50 PM, wyhs...@gmail.com wrote:
> I know its been over a year since you wrote this question but I work at Lowes and actually with the rekey kit its actually very easy to rekey these locks providing you have the kit. Now kwikset actually makes one that you don't even need a rekey kit to rekey. But since I been rekeying locks at Lowes I would buy a Schalge lock in a heartbeat instead of Kwikset.
>

I've worked with a couple versions of Kwikset
and Schlage. The new F line with the exploding
pin caps, I don't like. The user change Kwikset,
I don't have enough experience to be sure, but
for now I don't like them.

Put it this way. I take in enough used locks,
I can have what I want. My house is secured by
pin tumbler Kwikset.

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Christopher A. Young
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[pe...@hutnick.com]

The steel cap is meant to be removed (optionally) for rekeying. The cap is NOT meant to be reused. Schlage rekeying kits come with replacement caps.

See step 3B on page 9 of the rekeying manual. http://consumer.schlage.com/project%20documents/p513-325.pdf

(Not a locksmith, but I can read a manual.)