Quality Schlage C rim cylinder? And Segal rim lock question...
Ted Phares
Can anyone tell me if there are any catalog supply houses that sell
good quality Schlage C-1 rim cylinders?
Does Schlage make these? I can't find any reference to them on their
website.
[When I asked for one at my local locksmith, he produced a chinese
unit w/lots-o-slop between the cylinder & bore (for which he charged
me $16...I just bought a similar cheap unit from hdsupply.com for $3).
He was..uninterested..in my request for information about options
from other mfg'rs.]
Another question: I would like to buy a dual-cylinder Segal rim lock
and re-key using Schlage C cylinders (to match other schlage C locks
in the house). I know I can obtain a Schlage C rim cylinder (though
the quality may suck) to replace the outside cylinder. My question
is, what sort of cylinder is on the inside-side of the lock? Is it a
standard type for which there exists a Schalge C replacement? Or will
I be stuck with the Segal keyway on the inside?
Thanks in advance,
-ted
Evan
Ted:
First off do a google search for "locksmith supply distributors" and find
one in your area...
They will sell things like cylinders over the counter, but you will pay the
retail mark-up...
Second, Yes Schlage makes rim cylinders in the "C" keyway... So do a lot of
other manufacturers...
You will pay more for a cylinder with the Schlage name on it thought so be
warned...
Kaba-Ilco is a good source for quality "generic" brand cylinders available
in a variety of keyways...
They are less expensive than a cylinder made by an OEM brand-name
manufacturer...
As far as your Segal question is concerned, the outside cylinder is a
standard rim cylinder...
Changing that to another keyway is no problem at all, but the inside
clyinder is a different story...
The inside cylinders on Segal "jimmy-proof" style locks isn't a standard rim
cylinder...
It is a special cylinder, with only three pin chambers...
While i have never seen these cylinders in a Schlage "C" keyway that doesn't
mean that they do not exist...
It means that if they do exist that they are rare and will cost more $$$...
I do not recommend the use of double cylinder locksets (keyed on both sides)
in houses...
You are more likely to hurt yourself or your family if the need ever arises
to exit quickly...
Fire, Intruder, some kind of Weather, etc... Are you going to remember
where you hid the key in the middle of the night if your house is on fire
and you begin to panic ??? Are your houseguests going to know where the key
is ??? Or are you going to be like most people who install such locks and
leave the key inserted in the inside cylinder of the lock defeating the very
purtpose for installing it altogether...
IF you feel that you MUST have a double cylinder deadbolt on your door,
Schlage makes them... Just buy one made by Schlage and install it on your
door... Because in the sad reality of things deadbolts only keep out the
honest people... Someone who really wants to get into your house will smash
right through a window and climb right on in...
Evan,
~~ formerly a maintenance man, now a college student...
mark
people lock them selves IN! ALSO some counties in Va. require singles on
rental properties! a lawsuit to owner of the property if renter is hurt
caused by double cyl. just a thought!!
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Ted Phares
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> I do not recommend the use of double cylinder locksets (keyed on both sides)
> in houses...
Evan,
Thanks for the info. I agree; only single-cylinder locks are
installed in the house. This is for a garage door. Lock is right
next to the windows in the door.
-ted
Evan
> "Evan" wrote in message >...
> ...
> > I do not recommend the use of double cylinder locksets (keyed on both
sides) in houses...
> ...
>
> Evan,
>
> Thanks for the info. I agree; only single-cylinder locks are
> installed in the house. This is for a garage door. Lock is right
> next to the windows in the door.
>
> -ted
Is this garage attached to the house ???
Second, do you want to be locked in the garage in the event of a fire if
that is your ONLY route to escape ??? Worst case scenario in a fire is that
the power will go out if something is really burning and wires begin to
melt... Do you want the only man door to safety to be locked ???
If you are that concerned about the security of this ONE door, (which by the
way most peoiple's homes have a lock on the door leading INSIDE the house
from the garage) then obtain a piece of plexi-glass that can cover the glass
portion of the inside of the door in question... A single cylinder deadbolt
installed to increase the security of the lock that is already on the door
at that point would be enough to end your concerns about people gaining
entry...
Ted Phares
passageway--arched double garage doors (that open to the outside)
filled w/small panes of privacy glass. Too small for a car to fit
inside, it's used as a workshop. One can concieve of scenarios where
the double cylinder lock might hamper exit in an emergency, but the
reality is that there's no reason to remove the key from the inside
cylinder after locking the door from the inside. This is one of the
few cases where I'd judge that the slight increase is risk doesn't
outweigh the moderate increase in securty.
Thanks for your concern,
-ted
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Henry E Schaffer
Ted Phares <tph...@csua.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>The garage is attached to the house, but it has only one
>passageway--arched double garage doors (that open to the outside)
>filled w/small panes of privacy glass. Too small for a car to fit
>inside, it's used as a workshop. One can concieve of scenarios where
>the double cylinder lock might hamper exit in an emergency, but the
>reality is that there's no reason to remove the key from the inside
>cylinder after locking the door from the inside.
If you aren't going to remove the key from the inside - might as well
have a thumbturn there - they'll both work the same, but the thumbturn
lock will be less expensive than the double cylinder.
>This is one of the few cases where I'd judge that the slight increase
>is risk doesn't outweigh the moderate increase in securty.
Most of us are quite concerned about even a slight increase in risk
for a life-safety issue. I'd rather see some other way (e.g. plexiglass
or lexan) of increasing the security with no increase in risk.
--
--henry schaffer
hes _AT_ ncsu _DOT_ edu
Ted Phares
> have a thumbturn there - they'll both work the same, but the thumbturn
> lock will be less expensive than the double cylinder.
Actually, the key will be removed once the occupant exits the garage.
(e.g, unlock door, enter garage, lock door, work in workshop, unlock
door, exit garage, lock door.) The garage is pretty small, and has
only one door, so it's pretty useless to remove the key from the door
lock once you've closed & locked the door.
-ted
Joe Kesselman
> memory tripped.. SOMEONE makes a double cylinder deadbolt, that
> the ONLY TIME, you could remove the inside key was when a key
> was stuck in the outside lock..
Medeco had one, I believe. There may have been another one or two.
And some others had an inside key/thumb-turn which required a special
tool to release it. That one would be possible to homebrew, but would be
much harder to operate than the commercial versions. (Basically, you'd
need to do a broken-key-extraction routine to remove it.)
Not an entirely unreasonable compromise, for things like summer homes
where you want a thumb-turn for life safety when it's occupied but are
willing to give that up in exchange for greater security when there
really should be nobody in the building.
But as others have said, do check local fire codes. In some places
double-cylinder locks are flatly forbidden, and even these may not be
exempt from that rule.