Which locks are unpickable ?
ron
friend was recently
robbed by someone who picked his deadlock. This is the confirmed method of
entry as
video footage confirms this.
My question is which locks are unpickable even by locksmiths or wanna be's.
I have heard Abloy's are unpickable ?
I am making no aspirsations that this guy was a qualified practicing
locksmith only that he
knew enough to do the dirty deed.
Any help input from you guys appreciated.
bill b
>
Supposedly. Strange operation of the key, seems to take more turning than
the typical lock.
dddlock can sell you an Emhart for about 10 bucks and I think they are
highly regarded as pick resistant, but getting keys could be hard in the
future perhaps, maybe not I don't know.
"Keyman"
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a residential door
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> friend was recently
> robbed by someone who picked his deadlock. This is the confirmed method of
> entry as
> video footage confirms this.
>
Medeco is a very good expensive choice but any good quality ( grade 1 lock )
can accomplish the same thing if you take it to a locksmith or have the
locksmith come to you which would be better and have mushroom pins installed
and have the lock rekeyed so the cuts are numbered something like 837216 so
the pin next to the closest pin is at the maximum distance possible,
something called M.A.C.S. or maximum ajacent ( how do you spell that?) cut
specification.
Glen Cooper
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Have dupl at the avg locksmith, Almost 100%
unpickable, Nearly impossible to drill by the average
"joe" locksmith with even the best drill and drill bits,
Very cost available , and not a restricted keyway,
I would have to say Medeco Air or sky,
single or double side deadbolt.
BTW
You are wanting unpickable and drill resistant
and not a restricted keyway...
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In theory, if you can stick a tool in the lock, you can pick the
lock.
Therefore, nothing is "unpickable".
However, I would never spend the time to pick a Mul-T-Lock, Medeco,
Abloy, Primus, etc. It's all about time. If I were to spend 80
hours, I bet you I could pick a Medeco lock. I bet nearly every
locksmith in this forum could too. By the way, that 80 hours is
theoretical. I have no idea how long it really takes.
However, if I were to rank locks, I would place Abloy at the top,
solely because of the unfamilar mechanism. I have taken these locks
apart and they look the hardest to pick due to construction.
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Jon
comes to pick the door he's gonna go "hmmm never been able to pick one of
those..." and kick it in. Buy a good alarm, add some lights, and maybe a
dog. If your valuables are still not safe keep them in a safe deposit box.
my $.02
Jon
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> In theory, if you can stick a tool in the lock, you can pick the
> lock.
>
> Therefore, nothing is "unpickable".
>
> However, I would never spend the time to pick a Mul-T-Lock, Medeco,
> Abloy, Primus, etc. It's all about time. If I were to spend 80
> hours, I bet you I could pick a Medeco lock. I bet nearly every
> locksmith in this forum could too. By the way, that 80 hours is
> theoretical. I have no idea how long it really takes.
[SNIP]
Todd
The SpellBinder
no lock is truly unpickable. All true high security locks are considered pick
resistant. However, some unscrupulous lock manufactureeers use the term "High
security" to define their best grade of lockset which is not pick resistant, so
don't buy a lock from a Home Depot or Sears or whatever. See a Locksmith.
But before you spend big bucks on the pick resistant lock, learn the facts.
Less than a half of one per cent of the burglaries in any given year are
accomplished by picking the cylinder. Over half are smash and grabs, and the
rest are either "picking" the latch or knowing the weakness of a particular
lockset. 70% of all buglaries are amateurs ( 54% are under 21 and over half of
these do one job and never repeat the cime). 20% are semi-skilled ( knowing the
weakness of a particular lock, for example ), 9% are skilled ( drill jobs,
picking, etc.) and 1% professional. The top two per cent are working for
organized crime with assigned jobs. The top twenty per cent do 80% of the jail
time. (source for all of the above: FBI data and Mosler publlications)
>
In article <JaUM7.41926$Oi7.7...@news.easynews.com>, r...@cyberping.com
says...
The SpellBinder
pins to defeat that method. Most cylinders today are susceptible to the method.
Emhart is garbage in my personal opinion, though it used to be a fine lock
before it began to have manufacturing problems. There is a pick marketed that
claims to defeat Abloy. Any of the above is only as good as the door and
lockset it is put into. As Keyman pointed out, nothing that can be put on a
residential door is burglar-proof. The construction of the door and frame is
its own weakness. About the only people who benefit from pick resistant lccks
are those for whom it is more important to know that a burglar entered rather
than keeping them out. Likewise for most alarm systems. Just my $.02USD
>
In article <VXVM7.132689$WW.83...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
g.e.c...@worldnet.att.net says...
allan
sure its installed properly by a trust worthy person or if you can do it
yourself even better. I have been a locksmith for 30 years and have never seen
one picked.
Allan
badenov
customer is standing there watching you.
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"Keyman"
Like Abus "Plus Keyway" or "W-Lok"
Don't think those have been picked or at least no-one has
admitted doing so.
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"nothing that can be put on a residential door is burglar-proof".
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Todd
the abloy booth? there is a big difference between wiggle picks and a
pick designed for one purpose.
Dan & Nina McNeil
if I was forced to pick Abloy vs. Medeco or Primus to save my life, I would
definitely choose Abloy. Let's put it this way, I'd estimate my odds at
picking Medeco at 1:1,000,000 with 99.9% luck, but Abloy at 1:10,000 with
95% luck.--------Dan
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Btw
I do have a WEISER unpickable mortise cyl that i'll ship
to any locksmith or lockpicker who'll want to give it the
ol 80 hours college try,
without breaking the seals on the lock,and no shimming
It'll come with 2 factory key new in the box.
for a $100.00 + S&H
Double your money back if you pick it
with all seals intack of course.
Dddlock1
>highly regarded as pick resistant, but getting keys could be hard in the
>future perhaps, maybe not I don't know.
>
You got it!
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what keyway do you support?
Plugs
H1 to H8,WR
D1 to D4,WR
L1 to L4,WR
Keys
D1,D2,D3,D4
D12,D34,D41
H1 to H8
H12,H34,H56,H78,H81,
H41,H85,H81,H61,H83,
L1 to L4,
L12,L34,L41
using the DH class
and the reverse D series.
how bout the H.S. interchangeable core.
we have need for H keyway plugs on large system
H1 to H8
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what keyway do you support?
Plugs
Keys
using the DH class
and the reverse D series.
how bout the H.S. interchangeable core.
we have need for H keyway plugs on large system
H1 to H8
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Oops Sorry left out
EMHART of course!!
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Joseph Kesselman
exactly good enough to meet the requirements, and thus reduce the cost.
Security design is an engineering exercise.
Before sinking lots of money into a high-security lock, consider whether
the rest of the property is secure enough to justify it. Strength of
door, strength of frame, strength and security and location of _other_
doors and windows, how secluded your place is, how well protected the
neighbors are (it generally suffices to just be a trifle above their
level, sending the crook off to pester them instead)... And consider
outdoor lights, and alarms (though having an alarm system, by
definition, means accepting and dealing with some false alarms), and
perhaps the traditional furry security guard if your tastes run in that
direction.
There is a certain minimum level of acceptable security, though what it
is varies with where you are and what you're trying to protect. There's
also the point of being able to prove unauthorized entry for insurance
purposes. But for most residential purposes an "unpickable" lock will
cost you more without actually delivering more _real_ security.
Billy B. Edwards Jr.
>
> In 1974 a company marketed a pick for Medeco and Medeco began
> to offer a set of pins to defeat that method. Most cylinders
> today are susceptible to the method.
I have to point out that the tool was a decoder, not a
pick. They changed the design of the lock, not the
pins. It only worked on pins that have a tab at the
back, today's Medeco pins have the tab on the side.
They only ever sold 7 of them and people at Medeco own
the only three still in existence.
They also made a key replicator kit that got them taken
to court where they lost. They only ever sold three of
those kits and people at Medeco own two of those today.
I have used both items and they were far too fragile to
be of use to a locksmith and they were only available
for the AIR commercial keyway.
BBE.
Todd
newton and john falle picked the lock ,dont remember the time but think it was
about 30 min. also think it was the disk lock pro but i do know the pick they
brought with them was for a different series than the one for the challenge so
it did take longer than if it had been the right pick, the 2 things they got
from the challenge was a 100 dollar bill and side bet $ and the money was
locked in a Plexiglas box they removed the $ and put their picks and business
cards in the box.
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> I wasn't at ALOA either. How about some more details on this picking
> challenge at the Abloy booth? Who picked it, and how long did it take
> them? Was it a standard Abloy or Disklock Pro? And what did Abloy have to
> fork over to the successful picker (you did say it was a "challenge")?
HowAboutADrink
(possibly from England?) spent about 45 mins with homemade picks and managed to
open the lock. THe lock was installed on a clear plexiglass case with a
hundred dollar bill inside, which went to the locksmith that was able to pick
the lock open.
If that is the story we are referring to, it has to be at least five years old
if not older. By the way, I've seen medeco locks picked, never mul-t-lock or
abloy. But like someone stated previoiusly, anything man made can be defeated,
it's just a matter of being patient enough and willing to experiment and find
the right way to do it.
Glen Cooper
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By the way, I've seen medeco locks picked, never mul-t-lock or
> abloy. But like someone stated previoiusly, anything man made can be
defeated,
> it's just a matter of being patient enough and willing to experiment and
find
> the right way to do it.
Give me a break please. How many pins did the Medeco have? Four yes, Five
maybe but unheard of by me, more, no way, early 70's and later. I will
give you 5,000US dollars if you prove it to me that you can pick a new
Medeco six pin in less than 40 hours.
Joseph Kesselman
> maybe but unheard of by me, more, no way, early 70's and later. I will
> give you 5,000US dollars if you prove it to me that you can pick a new
> Medeco six pin in less than 40 hours.
Be careful about that sort of gamble; freak accidents do occur. A better
test is that someone can pick the lock _twice_. (Theoretically the
second time should be easier, so they have no excuse if they can't
repeat the experiment.)
Glen Cooper
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Good point. Let me state that the right way.
" I will give 5,000 US dollars to the locksmith that can pick a new Medeco 6
pin that I pin up twice in 40 hours."
Give me a break Bobby. No one can do that.
If you want pick resistance buy Medeco, not Abloy or anything else. We ALL
know that.
Glen Cooper
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I'm sorry about that Joseph, I should of said you and not Bobby.
Billy B. Edwards Jr.
Glen Cooper wrote:
>
> Good point. Let me state that the right way.
>
> " I will give 5,000 US dollars to the locksmith that can
> pick a new Medeco 6 pin that I pin up twice in 40 hours."
Original or Biaxial?
Are you willing to prove it is operable by a key?
Standard Medeco pins?
The wrong answer could be costly. :-)
BBE.
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Billy I was just trying to make my point that Medeco is hard to pick.
Please don't anyone take the statement seriously. I don't have the 5,000 to
put up right now. I've never ever ever heard of anyone who was able to pick
a 6 pin Medeco Biaxial in 40 hours or 400 hours one time much less twice.
It's just not possible in my opinion.
Glen
Todd
and seen it done...as for multi lock once again look in yhe mba catalog the pick
listed as "opens Israeli made locks" is the one for multi locks.
Becker
and abloy :
see here for medeco : http://www.security.org/search/lss_02a_Display.cfm?ID=552
and for abloy : http://www.security.org/search/lss_02a_Display.cfm?ID=35
that tools work ???
Glen Cooper a écrit :
bill b
it mentions that those elsafe boxes can be opened by a teenager with a
screwdriver and a paper clip. I'm guessing the paper clip is used to make
contact with the motor that operates the bolt.
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Todd
interesting book
HowAboutADrink
have you used them, and do they work? I sell and install a lot of mul-t-lock
for residential use here in NY and consequently recieve a lot of lockouts.
Would be interesting to know if these actually work.
Todd
ask mark or berry about them, if you buy a pick from them and it wont work send it
back. Mark is a very ethical business man. if you need the ph# let me know
Todd
different abloy lock used in the u.k. make sure the picks you buy are for the lock you
need opened they are specific
Joseph Kesselman
> If you want pick resistance buy Medeco, not Abloy or anything else. We ALL
> know that.
I agree that Medeco is a good choice.
I disagree that it is the obvious/only choice.
There are a lot of good high-security cylinders out there these days
which will resist picking for Quite Long Enough for most applications.
HowAboutADrink
number would be great if you have it.
thanks
Todd
allan
pick resistance - for all itents and purposes pick proof, unique key that
hundreds of other people dont have, not impossible key duplication but not so
easy that any one can make a copy, proven long term reliabilty as long as you
squirt some wd in every once in a while and not to expensive to buy then theres
really only one choice.
Allan
Rick
that WD-40 would void their warranty. They want you to use a dry film
lubricant instead. They sell one (damn expensive) or will accept any
other kind, but said if they detect ANY wet lube or solvent in a
defective lock, no warranty.
allan
with no problem.
Allan
"Keyman"
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> The Medeco people told me when I took the course a couple of
years ago
> that WD-40 would void their warranty.
> They want you to use a dry film
> lubricant instead. They sell one (damn expensive) or will
accept any
> other kind, but said if they detect ANY wet lube or solvent in
a
> defective lock, no warranty.
Thats Bull, WD-40 is NOT even a lubricant.
Its more a cleaner.
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HowAboutADrink
know for sure. If you dont' mind the mess, wd40 works fine for me. But hey,
lets not turn this into another wd40 vs every other lubricant out there
newsgroup...God knows we've seen enough of those.
pgraz
that might have been true twenty years ago it no longer is. Medeco has a HOST of
problems one being their keys are IMHO very weak and bend rather easily. A better
choice for this kind of lock would be ASSA because the keys are so sturdy that they
come with a lifetime guarantee.
Another reason not to go with Medeco is their people have a medical problem that can
only be fixed with a surgical procedure commonly known as a "Rectal Encephalectomy"
for those in Rio Linda that is the surgical removal of the head from the ass. Any
way why, if Medeco is so great, does ASSA/Abloy now own Medeco?
Phil
Joseph Kesselman
> Which locks are unpickable? Whichever ones you're trying to pick while the
> customer is standing there watching you.
Including a cheap padlock, if you were foolish enough to say "Oh,
that'll be no problem..."
Joseph Kesselman
> same here, reccomended I use super lube dri-film instead of wd40
See archives of this newsgroup for discussion of what WD40 is and isn't,
for paens to the virtues of microsphere lubes, and for lots of "I don't
care, if you use it right it works for me."
"Keyman"
They would have a hard time enforcing such a rule.
Haven't even seen their statement on any of their products.
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> On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:22:17 GMT, "\"Keyman\""
> <MyN...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
> >"Rick" <lock...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >news:7b5n0u48prrq4qmeq...@4ax.com...
> >> The Medeco people told me when I took the course a couple of
> >years ago
> >> that WD-40 would void their warranty.
> >> They want you to use a dry film
> >> lubricant instead. They sell one (damn expensive) or will
> >accept any
> >> other kind, but said if they detect ANY wet lube or solvent
in
> >a
> >> defective lock, no warranty.
> >
> >Thats Bull, WD-40 is NOT even a lubricant.
> >Its more a cleaner.
> >
> >my2
>
> Hey, Keyman, may be bull but I ALSO heard it, too, one of the
> seminars that I attended...
>
>
>
"Keyman"
WD is NOT a lubricant...
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bill b
used to be a piece of cake.
What'd they do?
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O.K. ............ here's the scoop lads !!!
WD. 40 can be used to alleviate the pain of arthritis in some joints !!
Lot's of old guys in my Lawn Bowls club have been using it on their knees
and elbows for years, and they all agree it is fantastic !!.
So, don't waste it on safes, spray it on ya knees ! TRUE !
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manufacturer isnt? As to Assa buying Medeco-that just proves my point. They could have
bought anything since they are a huge conglomerate but they chose and bought the best.
Allan
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> >
> >""Keyman"" <MyN...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> >> Why should that happen ?
> >> WD is NOT a lubricant...
>
> Actually, yes it is a lubricant. Don't take my word for it,
check the
> WD-40 website:
>
> http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_product_info.html
>
> On a practical level, try shooting some into a Medeco lock:
it'll clean
> out all the dirt and the lock will be very well
lubricated---for a while.
> It'll work slicker than snot, until it starts attracting dirt.
I imagine
> 30 weight oil would probably have the same effect, for a week
or so. Just
> because something is a lubricant doesn't necessarily mean it's
good for a
> product. Like graphite, for example.
>
> Getting back to WD-40, a true solvent doesn't leave residue
once it cleans
> the crud off. Acetone, for example. WD-40 leaves a
lubricating film.
> Not necessarily a good thing.
>
"Keyman"
I have known many old-timers that use it all the time and swear
by it.
note:
Have you noticed that Locksmiths generally do NOT have problems
with arthritis
in their hands.
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>and shouldn't be used as a primary lubricant.
In truth it is neither a cleaner nor lubricant. WD 40 was invented to be used
for water displacement. After 39 formulas were tried the 40th one worked. Water
Displacement #40 became known as WD40. It was found to be also useful as a
cleaner and light lubricant but that is not what it was designed to be used
for. As lubes go ....... there are much better to be found on the market.
Gary Hardigree
www.gasafelock.com
bill b
> manufacturer isnt? As to Assa buying Medeco-that just proves my point.
They could have
> bought anything since they are a huge conglomerate but they chose and
bought the best.
Or maybe they bought it to take advantage of the distribution system and
will let the product die.
I wouldn't trust any one of these business people as far as I could throw
them.
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> Ya left out that it was created for the space program.
>
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> and it was probably full of water to boot.
>
> Sidebar had some crud in it...in this case IT WORKED...
That's a classic case where WD40 _is_ an appropriate tool, since the
problem was largely due to moisture.
bill b
> its healing but VERY slowly...
>
>
>
It'll take years. BTDT.
HowAboutADrink
say that) Doesn't Assa/abloy own Medeco, Mul-t-lock, and arrow?
Mike Devland
that fun. I think that if I were concerned about a mechanical lock I
would be into Kaba's Gemini (Lori Corp) and what is used on base is
the Simplex button manual d-bolt & electric and key card access system
made by a contrcatoror.
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Henry E Schaffer
>I had a hell of time picking a brand new Master padlock and those things
>used to be a piece of cake.
I've always had trouble with padlocks because of the strong spring
holding the plug from turning. I like to use a light touch with a
flexible tension wrench, and that doesn't seem to be the way to go with
a padlock.
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--henry schaffer
h...@ncsu.edu
bill b
not that it matters since thieves use bolt cutters anyway.
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Bill B
Good luck!
"Henry E Schaffer" <h...@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote in message
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Stewey
> What are the best locks that are unpickable even by a good locksmith. A
> friend was recently
> robbed by someone who picked his deadlock. This is the confirmed method of
> entry as
> video footage confirms this.
>
> My question is which locks are unpickable even by locksmiths or wanna be's.
>
> I have heard Abloy's are unpickable ?
>
> I am making no aspirsations that this guy was a qualified practicing
> locksmith only that he
> knew enough to do the dirty deed.
>
> Any help input from you guys appreciated.
Years ago a company call HYT made a soft key lock that the best locksmiths couldn't pick. The key snaked into lock making sharp turns as it went. The company is no longer in business.
rlm...@gmail.com
> What are the best locks that are unpickable even by a good locksmith. A
> friend was recently
> robbed by someone who picked his deadlock. This is the confirmed method of
> entry as
> video footage confirms this.
>
> My question is which locks are unpickable even by locksmiths or wanna be's.
>
> I have heard Abloy's are unpickable ?
>
> I am making no aspirsations that this guy was a qualified practicing
> locksmith only that he
> knew enough to do the dirty deed.
>
> Any help input from you guys appreciated.
J.B. Wood
"waterproof" vice "water-resistant (down to xxx meters)". I would think
"pick-resistant" would be more accurate (depending on how one defines
"picking"). Sincerely,
--
J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_1...@hotmail.com
peterwn
Stormin Mormon
Not sure if these have been picked yet, but
I'm not wasting my time trying.
If you lose the key, use a screw driver to
take it off the door. (small allen wrench
to loosen the turn on the inside) Take it to
a locksmith shop for rekeying.
-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.
bloe...@gmail.com
http://www.theforeverlock.com/deadbolt-door-lock.html
J.B. Wood
> hi the forever lock (is unpickable) but i think you give it a slam whit a hammer ......
>
> http://www.theforeverlock.com/deadbolt-door-lock.html
>
yt...@discreetsecuritysolutions.com
Medeco? I've seen the newest versions picked and bumped in person. I've even seen the 4 pin driverless one beaten in under 5 seconds, on a Knoxbox (though to be fair, not one other person managed over a weekend!)
Abloy? Great locks. Even the older versions are hard to beat. I've yet to manage the Classic onwards, but I can sell you a pick for them. One of the types, the Pro-Tec (original version), I can sell you a tool that opens them 50% of the time with no damage in under a minute.
Bilock is fundamentally flawed. No, I won't say how in public. There's also force attacks explained online on older models.
EVVA 3KS has been beaten. EVVA MCS is the top of the range, & is 99.99999% unbeaten. As in, I know of one guy, once, who didn't have the key to decode.
Even safe locks are in a bad way - very few are now unpickable.
J.B. Wood
><snip>
> Even safe locks are in a bad way - very few are now unpickable.
>
of time to unbolt. Sincerely,
darijan t
with respect
DO NOT be sure of that
rj1...@gmail.com
J.B. Wood
> All of the locks on my property are electronic. The back up keyed mechanism are MCS. The property is gated, has a state of the art security system, which we can monitor and control with our smart phones. several guard trained dogs, outside and inside. We also are tactical and self defense instructors, are armed like a small country. Good luck to anyone trying to break into our place.
>
wrist watches are waterproof?" Sincerely,