lockpick skills in other professions?
Daniel Jonsson
I just have one simple question, is lockpicking skills
only in use in the locksmith profession, or is it useful
in other jobs too?
Does police swat teams use lockpicks?
Just Curious
Daniel Jonsson
Jim West
Daniel Jonsson wrote in message ...
You pose an interesting question Daniel, is it only in use in the locksmith
profession ?. No, While automaker use more and more secure locks, alot of
tow truck drivers, repossession agents use it, because of the difficulty
using a "SlimJim" (Used as a generic term)
Do Police S.W.A.T. Teams use them ? Sometimes, but usually have other tools
to FORCE entry, similar to crowbars and the such.
Some Police Officers use them usually in the course of investigations, such
as when searching things, they try not to damage potential evidence so
instead of using heavy tools, they'll attempt to pick to locks, or call in a
Professional Locksmith to assist them, as they due when needing to open
safes and the like.
Chuck Fiedler
Schmit, CRL) wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:57:31 +0100, dan...@swedenmail.net (Daniel
>Jonsson) wrote:
>
>>Hello.
>>I just have one simple question, is lockpicking skills
>>only in use in the locksmith profession, or is it useful
>>in other jobs too?
>>
>>Does police swat teams use lockpicks?
>Please don't make the assumption that "lock picking" is an essential
>skill in the locksmithing trade. I have known many, very good,
>locksmiths that are unable to pick locks with the skill needed to
>consider it a "first line" approach.
>
>Please don't make the assumption that compromising locks is what we
>do. We are in the business of providing (and protecting) our clients
>safety and security. Sometimes that means compromising a system -
>that system may be a lock, it may be a safe, it may be a system. By
>system, I mean that businesses (and individuals) have routine methods
>of operation that work perfectly well for them, and they assume them
>to be secure (because they haven't lost anything yet). Many times
>these "systems" have never been tested. Identifying and rectifying
>these shortcomings is (IMHO) our primary job.
Well said, Will. Besides, if a police SWAT team wanted a lock open,
wouldn't they just shoot that sucker out of the door? Right guicker
than picking, it seems to me. <G>
Chuck
Leon Rowell
>
> Hello.
> I just have one simple question, is lockpicking skills
> only in use in the locksmith profession, or is it useful
> in other jobs too?
As a Professional Firefighter I picked many locks on buildings and
buisnesses when we would recieve calls about potential problems or had
alarms going off, mainly in the middle of the night, and the dispatcher
could not contact anyone with a key. As long as it was not an immediate
emergency I would pick the lock instead of damaging the property. If the
dispatcher could not make contact with a keyholder I would request an
officer be dispatched to the location to be present when we opened the
door and entered the premisis for inspection. If there was smoke or
flames showing we would use our "instant access key" (usually a pick
head axe).
Daniel Jonsson
says...
>
> >Hello.
> >I just have one simple question, is lockpicking skills
> >only in use in the locksmith profession, or is it useful
> >in other jobs too?
> >
> >
> >
> >Daniel Jonsson
>
> Please don't make the assumption that "lock picking" is an essential
> skill in the locksmithing trade. I have known many, very good,
> locksmiths that are unable to pick locks with the skill needed to
> consider it a "first line" approach.
>
> Please don't make the assumption that compromising locks is what we
> do. We are in the business of providing (and protecting) our clients
> safety and security. Sometimes that means compromising a system -
> that system may be a lock, it may be a safe, it may be a system. By
> system, I mean that businesses (and individuals) have routine methods
> of operation that work perfectly well for them, and they assume them
> to be secure (because they haven't lost anything yet). Many times
> these "systems" have never been tested. Identifying and rectifying
> these shortcomings is (IMHO) our primary job.
>
>
skill in the locksmithing profession. Read again and you´ll see
that it says: "is lockpicking skills only in use in the locksmith
profession". Even you can´t disagree that lock picking is helpful
when you´re in that business...
-Daniel Jonsson
"Keyman"
Have you ever seen them shooting a Lock off.
Been watching too much TV
.
Keyman
Chuck Fiedler wrote in message
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>On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:36:38 GMT, anc...@anchor-newmexico.com (Will
>Schmit, CRL) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:57:31 +0100, dan...@swedenmail.net (Daniel
>>Jonsson) wrote:
>>
>>>Hello.
>>>I just have one simple question, is lockpicking skills
>>>only in use in the locksmith profession, or is it useful
>>>in other jobs too?
>>>
>>>Does police swat teams use lockpicks?
>
>>Please don't make the assumption that "lock picking" is an essential
>>skill in the locksmithing trade. I have known many, very good,
>>locksmiths that are unable to pick locks with the skill needed to
>>consider it a "first line" approach.
>>
>>Please don't make the assumption that compromising locks is what we
>>do. We are in the business of providing (and protecting) our clients
>>safety and security. Sometimes that means compromising a system -
>>that system may be a lock, it may be a safe, it may be a system. By
>>system, I mean that businesses (and individuals) have routine methods
>>of operation that work perfectly well for them, and they assume them
>>to be secure (because they haven't lost anything yet). Many times
>>these "systems" have never been tested. Identifying and rectifying
>>these shortcomings is (IMHO) our primary job.
>
Mickey McInnis
I can easily imagine situations where the police would rightfully
want to open a lock without making a lot of noise and attracting
attention. You might also be willing to take the extra time to
pick the lock rather than drilling kicking, battering, or driving
a tank through the wall.
e.g. hostage situations, entering part of a building away from where
the bad guys are to get your guys close before making your entry,
executing a legal search warrant when no one answers the door, etc.
There might be times when you don't want to risk (or pay for) having a
civilian locksmith on the scene.
Of course, I can also see lots of potential for abuse by bad cops
with lockpicking/smithing skills, too.
|>
|> Chuck
|>
--
Mickey McInnis - mci...@austin.ibm.com
--
All opinions expressed are my own opinions, not my company's opinions.
LockSmith
agency to have anykind
of surreptitious entry tools with the exception the one agency charged with
national security and they are no supposed to operate within the borders of
this country.
If the police or fire need emergency entry then let them use emergency
techniques, if its not
an emergency and they still have to get in let the property owner pay for
the false alarm
entry.
Leon Rowell wrote:
> Daniel Jonsson wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> > I just have one simple question, is lockpicking skills
> > only in use in the locksmith profession, or is it useful
> > in other jobs too?
>
Surf...@webtv.net
LockSmith
Surf...@webtv.net wrote:
> I maintain 30,000 doors at a hospital complex and also maintain
> most of
> the cabinet locks.
> I use picks on most everything on the property.
>
>
>
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Yeah... a 'percussion pick'. Also called a battering ram. Seriously, picking
can be time consuming, and there is a risk of discovery/detection.
Certain other professions can benefit by locksmithing skills, though. Repo
men, wrecker drivers, car dealers, etc often have occasion to use, or wish they
had, locksmithing skills such as picking or impressioning locks. These
proffessions must avoid damaging the door or lock. In some areas, building
managers or supers can and do occasionally pick or otherwise defeat household
locks. Main thing to watch out for is local restrictions on practicing the
craft. In some areas you must have a license to be a locksmith, or even posess
picks. Also, the intelligent dabbler in the mysteries of the lock knows when he
is whipped and must call for a pro. Of the aforementioned groups of tradesmen,
few actually develop picking skills, preferring to refer ALL their lock
oriented business to the professionals.
AB5VH (Robinson)
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Billy B. Edwards Jr.
>
> I maintain 30,000 doors at a hospital complex and also maintain most of
> the cabinet locks.
> I use picks on most everything on the property.
So what is supposed to be your "other" profession?
BBE.