Linux Mint 14 Mate rocks!

[Chief Suspect]

First time poster here.

Installed LM14M effortlessly, and everything worked from the get-go;
correct screen ratio resolution, ethernet, wi-fi, audio. Didn't check
for phone modem, though, since rarely use modem for other than
occasional FAX.

Admittedly, Linux is a learning curve not easily intuitive. Just
waiting for the day some enterprising hot-shot pops up with LINUX that
looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP .. maybe just labeling
and referring to various HD by drive letters ala XP, and an easier
way to install programs in familiar-named folders ... to start.

The day that happens, Micro$oft is doomed to extinction. I find myself
booting up in either pretty much equally now, but leaning to LINUX.

Chief Suspect

[Dan C]

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:55:36 -0500, Chief Suspect wrote:

> Admittedly, Linux is a learning curve not easily intuitive. Just
> waiting for the day some enterprising hot-shot pops up with LINUX that
> looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP .. maybe just labeling
> and referring to various HD by drive letters ala XP, and an easier way
> to install programs in familiar-named folders ... to start.

Bugger off, Win-droid.


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[Jack Erino]

I would say Linux is very intuitive and simple to use. You can make your
Linux look and feel similar to XP. But why? If you like XP - Use it!
I've been forced to use the new Windows 8 at work. I used to think it
was a bit of a joke to have to click on 'start' to shutdown. Now you
have to go in to settings!!! Personally I am not eagerly awaiting the
day masses of people start to migrate to Linux. I'm very happy with the
way things are now.

Linux does not need Microsoft-izing! If one day, our linux boxes are
dominated by 'charms bars' and a so called 'modern UI', then personally
I think we've lost the war. Stick with Linux Chief Suspect. You don't
need drive letters. Linux isn't hard. It's just different. If you had
used Linux all your life and then switched to MS, you'd probably be just
as stumped.

Balls to Windows. And balls to making *nux work like MS. My gran can
operate my computer with ease. It's fast, smooth, pretty, and can do
everything I want and then some.

Jack

[F.K.]

On 01 Dec 2012 06:24:32 GMT, Dan C <youmust...@lan.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:55:36 -0500, Chief Suspect wrote:
>
>> Admittedly, Linux is a learning curve not easily intuitive. Just
>> waiting for the day some enterprising hot-shot pops up with LINUX that
>> looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP .. maybe just labeling
>> and referring to various HD by drive letters ala XP, and an easier way
>> to install programs in familiar-named folders ... to start.
>
>Bugger off, Win-droid.

Ah, the Linux Expert with the limited vocabulary.

[Norman Peelman]

On 11/30/2012 11:55 PM, Chief Suspect wrote:
> First time poster here.
>
> Installed LM14M effortlessly, and everything worked from the get-go;
> correct screen ratio resolution, ethernet, wi-fi, audio. Didn't check
> for phone modem, though, since rarely use modem for other than
> occasional FAX.
>
> Admittedly, Linux is a learning curve not easily intuitive. Just
> waiting for the day some enterprising hot-shot pops up with LINUX that
> looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP .. maybe just labeling

??? Looks
??? Feels
??? Acts

Here we go again...

> and referring to various HD by drive letters ala XP, and an easier
> way to install programs in familiar-named folders ... to start.
>

There is no such thing as a C:\, D:\, or E:\ (... Z:\) drive. It is
just the way MS enumerates the drives. Drives actually have labels that
can be assigned:

http://www.shcherbyna.com/?p=1020

When labeled accordingly, these are the names you will see in the
file explorer and on your desktop. This is nothing new, been around for
a long time (my first introduction to it was with the Amiga back in
85-86). Windows supports this as well.

> The day that happens, Micro$oft is doomed to extinction. I find myself
> booting up in either pretty much equally now, but leaning to LINUX.
>
> Chief Suspect

--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 10.04 64bit

[Edmund]

Don't be fooled, it is an ex-Microfsoft employer who got the boot for
repeatedly getting caught inhaling glue vapors.
Now he tries to piss everyone off who is using Linux in a desperate
attempt to get his job at Microsoft back.
I didn't see hem insulting people for a while, since he's back, he
probably ran away from rehab again.

Edmund

[The Wizard of Oz]

On 12-11-30 10:55 PM, Chief Suspect wrote:
> First time poster here.
>
> Installed LM14M effortlessly, and everything worked from the get-go;
> correct screen ratio resolution, ethernet, wi-fi, audio. Didn't check
> for phone modem, though, since rarely use modem for other than
> occasional FAX.

Linux is good that way. If a scanner and printer are supported it is
just a matter of plugging it in and turning it on.

> Admittedly, Linux is a learning curve not easily intuitive. Just
> waiting for the day some enterprising hot-shot pops up with LINUX that
> looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP .. maybe just labeling
> and referring to various HD by drive letters ala XP, and an easier
> way to install programs in familiar-named folders ... to start.

Why risk the wrath of the lawyers... *NIX has been around just as long
(if not longer than Windows) and there is no need to pretend to be trash
to suit those whose minds can't adapt to something different. The best
thing right now would be to go through a bug fix cycle where speed and
device compatibility are enhanced. Not everybody has more money than
brains to constantly keep up with the latest hardware. If someone wants
to run M$ then they should run M$ and not pretend they are when they aren't.

> The day that happens, Micro$oft is doomed to extinction. I find myself
> booting up in either pretty much equally now, but leaning to LINUX.

In another couple of releases I think we may have a real winner.
Although there are still problems (speed etc...), it looks like Mint
will be the way to go for new installs.

> Chief Suspect

Later
Mike

[J G Miller]

On Saturday, December 1st, 2012, at 15:07:36h +0800, Jack Erino exclaimed:

> Linux does not need Microsoft-izing!

Agreed but please, plese tell that to the GNOME people who believed
GNOME needed a registry and needs MONO and Moonlight, as well as,
Miguel De Icaza, who clearly believes if you can't beat MicroSloth
then one should join them.

> If one day, our linux boxes are dominated by 'charms bars'
> and a so called 'modern UI', then personally I think we've lost
> the war.

The modern UI is considered to be "cellphone interface" eg Unity
and GNOME shell.

It could be that for the vast majority of non-computer people,
PCs are just a passing phase and in future, the majority of the
population will not be using a PC at all, but just a tablet
or smartphone.

After all, if you do not need to do any "Serious Work" [(c) Ray Lopez]
then do you actuall need a PC at all? And gamers will be using Wii
or the latest incarnation of the PlaySatation or X-box.

The PC will be RIP for the general population, soonish?

[Dänk 42Ø]

On 12/01/2012 06:24 AM, Dan C wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:55:36 -0500, Chief Suspect wrote:
>
>> Admittedly, Linux is a learning curve not easily intuitive. Just
>> waiting for the day some enterprising hot-shot pops up with LINUX that
>> looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP .. maybe just labeling
>> and referring to various HD by drive letters ala XP, and an easier way
>> to install programs in familiar-named folders ... to start.
>
> Bugger off, Win-droid.

Be nice! I think the biggest problem with Linux is the lack of
proprietary hardware drivers. Micros**t has formed an unholy alliance
with hardware manufacturers -- especially wireless cards -- to ensure
that their products are only compatible with Wind*ze.

WiFi is the weak link, since consumers expect their gadgets to work
right out of the box with no black magic. I can't even recall how many
Linux distros I rejected, simply because they would not recognize my
wireless card. I asked for advice in Linux forums like this, only to be
lectured by arrogant linuxtards that all I needed to do was to recompile
my kernel or edit command.com or some such shit -- none of which ever
worked.

There is no logical reason why wireless chipsets should be incompatible
with Linux, except that Bill Gates has paid the manufacturers to ensure
incompatibility. It is bad enough that I purchase a new computer and
erase the Wind*ze 8 that I didn't want but paid for anyway, but it is
even worse that the hardware has been deliberately rigged to prevent me
from using anything but the Micros**t OS -- at least if I want online
service. This just smacks of a future antitrust lawsuit!

[RedBlade7]

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:55:36 -0500, Chief Suspect wrote:

>

> The day that happens, Micro$oft is doomed to extinction. I find myself
> booting up in either pretty much equally now, but leaning to LINUX.
>

M$-$UX is already endangered if you think about it.

Almost every Web server runs on Linux or BSD, Android is basically a
Linux GUI, and many mobile and embedded devices (including routers and
the like) run on Linux.

M$-$UX's MAFIAA/Spook nastiness and failed attempts at ugly redesigns
(e.g. giant Internet Explorer boxes and hidden Start Menu) are
increasingly alienating their customer base, with the businesses and
nerds going to Linux and "the average Joe" going to Apple iProducts.

M$-$UX has already dead, and "Will Linux ever be on the desktop?" has
been replaced with "Everyone is running or making use of Linux and
doesn't know it."

(Currently Running Pan on Slackware Linux 14.0 64-bit ;)

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[Edmund]

On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 06:26:08 +0000, Dänk 42Ø wrote:

> On 12/01/2012 06:24 AM, Dan C wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:55:36 -0500, Chief Suspect wrote:
>>
>>> Admittedly, Linux is a learning curve not easily intuitive. Just
>>> waiting for the day some enterprising hot-shot pops up with LINUX that
>>> looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP .. maybe just labeling
>>> and referring to various HD by drive letters ala XP, and an easier way
>>> to install programs in familiar-named folders ... to start.
>>
>> Bugger off, Win-droid.
>
> Be nice!

He can't! His last remaining brain cells are damaged due to long term
glue-vapor inhaling.

> I think the biggest problem with Linux is the lack of
> proprietary hardware drivers.

That,the Microsoft spies like DanCunt and the lack of vision and
coorperation between the developers.

> Micros**t has formed an unholy alliance
> with hardware manufacturers -- especially wireless cards -- to ensure
> that their products are only compatible with Wind*ze.
>
> WiFi is the weak link, since consumers expect their gadgets to work
> right out of the box with no black magic. I can't even recall how many
> Linux distros I rejected, simply because they would not recognize my
> wireless card.

That is a perfect example of what I mean, developers giving you the "free
choice" they brag about, between an dinner without salt or a dinner
without pepper.
A little coorperation and a few million less Linux releases and your wifi
would have worked in the remaining one or 2 linux releases.

> I asked for advice in Linux forums like this, only to be
> lectured by arrogant linuxtards that all I needed to do was to recompile
> my kernel or edit command.com or some such shit -- none of which ever
> worked.

In this group ( mint) people are usually helpful, forget DanCunt.

>
> There is no logical reason why wireless chipsets should be incompatible
> with Linux, except that Bill Gates has paid the manufacturers to ensure
> incompatibility. It is bad enough that I purchase a new computer and
> erase the Wind*ze 8 that I didn't want but paid for anyway, but it is
> even worse that the hardware has been deliberately rigged to prevent me
> from using anything but the Micros**t OS -- at least if I want online
> service. This just smacks of a future antitrust lawsuit!

Have fun with a lawsuit against someone with 70 billion in his pocket....

Edmund

[Mark Warner]

Dänk 42Ø wrote:
>
> Be nice! I think the biggest problem with Linux is the lack of
> proprietary hardware drivers. Micros**t has formed an unholy alliance
> with hardware manufacturers -- especially wireless cards -- to ensure
> that their products are only compatible with Wind*ze.
>
> WiFi is the weak link, since consumers expect their gadgets to work
> right out of the box with no black magic. I can't even recall how many
> Linux distros I rejected, simply because they would not recognize my
> wireless card. I asked for advice in Linux forums like this, only to be
> lectured by arrogant linuxtards that all I needed to do was to recompile
> my kernel or edit command.com or some such shit -- none of which ever
> worked.

2004 called. They wondered where you'd been.

--
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying

[Jack Erino]

On 04/12/12 11:14, Mark Warner wrote:

> D�nk 42� wrote:
>>
>> Be nice! I think the biggest problem with Linux is the lack of
>> proprietary hardware drivers. Micros**t has formed an unholy alliance
>> with hardware manufacturers -- especially wireless cards -- to ensure
>> that their products are only compatible with Wind*ze.
>>
>> WiFi is the weak link, since consumers expect their gadgets to work
>> right out of the box with no black magic. I can't even recall how
>> many Linux distros I rejected, simply because they would not recognize
>> my wireless card. I asked for advice in Linux forums like this, only
>> to be lectured by arrogant linuxtards that all I needed to do was to
>> recompile my kernel or edit command.com or some such shit -- none of
>> which ever worked.
>
> 2004 called. They wondered where you'd been.
>

I really did just LOL. I might use that myself sometime :D

[Jack Erino]

... shame it was used on Dank's comments though - It's a fair point he
made. Linux is lost on many people at the first hurdle - Before they
even get a chance to try it properly, as they just don't have the skills
to get all their hardware configured. My personal experience with mint
has been great. Most hardware has worked out of the box. However, on one
laptop sound was not properly supported, and I really did have to jump
through some hoops to get it going. All I can say now is, that it was
well worth the effort, and I wouldn't change my OS for anything. Mint is
great to work with.

[Eyetee]

Lots of good replies in this thread. I use Mint 14 Cinnamon myself for
the excellent GUI functionality, but dream of being good enough on CLI
to ditch all GUIs permanently. GUI use is not only like taking a
blowtorch to a glacier (environmentally irresponsible when a billion
people all do it at the same time) but severely disables your computer
use. Without CLI you can't even use a --disable-preview switch on your
graphical email client to keep it from crashing every time you relaunch
it because it has selected a bad email. These kinds of advantages to CLI
use are concealed from most end users so that commercial outfits can
make tons of money selling "tech support" packages--which create jobs
for unqualified script parrots rather than for real IT people. I don't
know how it became a badge of honor to be a total lamer who can't find
the power switch, but these days it largely is a badge of honor among
pure end users, and that marginalizes computer lovers and shoves us off
into a corner. The only good thing is that I've found a use for my
newsgroup account again; it looked like newsgroups and even graphical
internet fora were a permanently dead concept, but, happily, they aren't.

Regards.

Eyetee

--
website: www.eyetee.org

[Deepfriedice]

I would point out that Win-style drive letters and shunting entire
programs into single directories (with no regard to usage) would be
steps backward, but others have already got there.

As for "looks, feels, and acts like familiar Windows XP", thats more a
thing for DE's than distros, and there are a few DE's that actualy are
trying to create XP like interfaces.
Although thats not the goal of it, XFCE is probably the most XP like DE
I've actually used.

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, January 1st, 2013, at 13:06:01h +1000, Deepfriedice wrote:

> XFCE is probably the most XP like DE I've actually used.

How many desktop environments have you actually used, and
which ones were they?