Smoothwall has a bad attitude
Robert Morein
nodes, to their DHCP protocol, to frustrate firewalls. After trying an SMC
Barricade and a Multitech Routefinder, I decided to give Smoothwall a try.
Finding the diagnostic screens uninformative, I informed Smoothwall of the
problem, with some gentle suggestions for improvement.
I was shocked at the vitriolic response of gratuitous insult of developer
"Richard", posted to their support listserv.
Apparently, Richard is stretching the GPL license to the breaking point.
Consequently, I will switch to IPCop, another GPL project, supported at
http://www.ipcop.org/ . It's supposed to be a much better product.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Morrell" <ric...@smoothwall.org>
To: "Robert Morein" <eps...@netreach.net>
Cc: <g...@lists.smoothwallusers.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [gpl] Comcast Cable DHCP -- insufficient diagnostic screens
> > There is a console message as the machine boots up that indicates some
kind
> > of network failure, but it's not clear what it is.
> > My point is that the diagnostic information is completely insufficient.
At
> > least, there should be a way of generating a diagnostic file I could
forward
> > to the developers.
>
>
> Robert heres some diagnostics. 1) you're rude 2) you have no point -
> you're not a customer you have no rights and no warranty 3) read the small
> print Smoothwall GPL is a taster product. If you did forward us stuff (us
> being the developers) we'd only delete it assuming you didnt read the 3)
> small print.
>
> Richard
>
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My reply to Richard:
1. If I appear rude, it is not intentional.
2. You are apparently sensitive to helplful criticism.
3. I acknowledge that I have no warranty and no rights -- I am simply
providing information to help you -- if you wish -- to improve your product.
4. Your statement that you would delete the diagnostic information is
indicative you have a severe attitude problem.
5. Your statement that I have no point is contrary to the terms of the GNU
public license. Indeed, you stretch the meaning of that license to the
extreme.
Before you reply again as you have to me, you may wish to consider how your
reply would appear in the various usenet forums on linux.
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Robert Morein
"Robert Morein" <sorrynospam@here> wrote in message
news:3c8c2...@news7.fast.net...
> Recently, Comcast has implemented some changes, on a few of their newer
> nodes, to their DHCP protocol, to frustrate firewalls. After trying an SMC
> Barricade and a Multitech Routefinder, I decided to give Smoothwall a try.
> Finding the diagnostic screens uninformative, I informed Smoothwall of the
> problem, with some gentle suggestions for improvement.
>
>
>
> I was shocked at the vitriolic response of gratuitous insult of developer
> "Richard", posted to their support listserv.
>
Fuck off Robert
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Richard Morrell, co-founder - SmoothWall GPL - www.smoothwall.org
email: ric...@smoothwall.org, ric...@linux.com
Dick's amusing irc quotes for week endng 1st March 2002
<Foxy> If I come across expoits for Zope you will be the first to know Dan
<Dan> :D
<parse_error> lol
<Lukie`> ie, he will hack you first Dan
<parse_error> yeah he will hack it you to bits then say, its buggered
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> The following text has been posted to two usenet linux groups.
Robert Morein
and if you email me again I'll come after you
I do NOT stretch the GPL - work wholly legally within its confines
Take me on you cunt
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Richard Morrell, co-founder - SmoothWall GPL - www.smoothwall.org
email: ric...@smoothwall.org, ric...@linux.com
Dick's amusing irc quotes for week endng 1st March 2002
<Foxy> If I come across expoits for Zope you will be the first to know Dan
<Dan> :D
<parse_error> lol
<Lukie`> ie, he will hack you first Dan
<parse_error> yeah he will hack it you to bits then say, its buggered
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> The following text has been posted to two usenet linux groups.
>
>
Robert Morein
Called my legal guy 2 mins ago. If indeed you have posted my emails
without my permission you have broken European and UK privacy laws.
Please send me address of service and your contact details. I am now in
contact with netreach.net
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Richard Morrell, co-founder - SmoothWall GPL - www.smoothwall.org
email: ric...@smoothwall.org, ric...@linux.com
Dick's amusing irc quotes for week endng 1st March 2002
<Foxy> If I come across expoits for Zope you will be the first to know Dan
<Dan> :D
<parse_error> lol
<Lukie`> ie, he will hack you first Dan
<parse_error> yeah he will hack it you to bits then say, its buggered
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> Your email messages to me are being posted to usenet.
> This one is next.
>
> Kindest regards,
> Bob Morein
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Morrell" <ric...@smoothwall.org>
> To: "Robert Morein" <r...@NetReach.Net>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Smoothwall has a bad attitude
>
>
> > Fuck off Robert
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Richard Morrell, co-founder - SmoothWall GPL - www.smoothwall.org
> > email: ric...@smoothwall.org, ric...@linux.com
> >
> > Dick's amusing irc quotes for week endng 1st March 2002
> >
> > <Foxy> If I come across expoits for Zope you will be the first to know
Dan
> > <Dan> :D
> > <parse_error> lol
> > <Lukie`> ie, he will hack you first Dan
> > <parse_error> yeah he will hack it you to bits then say, its buggered
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> >
> > > The following text has been posted to two usenet linux groups.
> > >
> > >
Robert Morein
Richard Morrell, Founder and Funder - SmoothWall GPL project
Visit our website at www.smoothwall.org - the SmoothWall GPL project gives
you a free taster firewall appliance with approaching two years of global
maturity and installations worldwide. It does not give you a right to
become a pain in my ass or in Lawrences ass. Your story has truly touched
our hearts. Install by all means, enjoy but don't keep chewing our asses.
Any and all emails from the Smoothwall.org and smoothwall.co.uk domains
are protected by European and UK Statute. You do not have the right to
forward, disseminate, cut paste or copy content from this email without
permission. Reproduction of this mail or any of its contents constitutes
breach of copyright and an ethical breach of law.
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> These go next.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Morrell" <ric...@smoothwall.org>
> To: "Robert Morein" <r...@netreach.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Smoothwall has a bad attitude
>
>
> >
> > Called my legal guy 2 mins ago. If indeed you have posted my emails
> > without my permission you have broken European and UK privacy laws.
> >
> > Please send me address of service and your contact details. I am now in
> > contact with netreach.net
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Richard Morrell, co-founder - SmoothWall GPL - www.smoothwall.org
> > email: ric...@smoothwall.org, ric...@linux.com
> >
> > Dick's amusing irc quotes for week endng 1st March 2002
> >
> > <Foxy> If I come across expoits for Zope you will be the first to know
Dan
> > <Dan> :D
> > <parse_error> lol
> > <Lukie`> ie, he will hack you first Dan
> > <parse_error> yeah he will hack it you to bits then say, its buggered
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> >
> > > Your email messages to me are being posted to usenet.
> > > This one is next.
> > >
> > > Kindest regards,
> > > Bob Morein
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Morrell" <ric...@smoothwall.org>
> > > To: "Robert Morein" <r...@NetReach.Net>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Smoothwall has a bad attitude
> > >
> > >
> > > > Fuck off Robert
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Richard Morrell, co-founder - SmoothWall GPL - www.smoothwall.org
> > > > email: ric...@smoothwall.org, ric...@linux.com
> > > >
> > > > Dick's amusing irc quotes for week endng 1st March 2002
> > > >
> > > > <Foxy> If I come across expoits for Zope you will be the first to
know
> Dan
> > > > <Dan> :D
> > > > <parse_error> lol
> > > > <Lukie`> ie, he will hack you first Dan
> > > > <parse_error> yeah he will hack it you to bits then say, its
buggered
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The following text has been posted to two usenet linux groups.
> > > > >
> > > > >
Robert Morein
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thats threatening talk
IPcop isnt a product its a toy.
I have asked George to contact NetReach directly
Richard Morrell, Founder and Funder - SmoothWall GPL project
Visit our website at www.smoothwall.org - the SmoothWall GPL project gives
you a free taster firewall appliance with approaching two years of global
maturity and installations worldwide. It does not give you a right to
become a pain in my ass or in Lawrences ass. Your story has truly touched
our hearts. Install by all means, enjoy but don't keep chewing our asses.
Any and all emails from the Smoothwall.org and smoothwall.co.uk domains
are protected by European and UK Statute. You do not have the right to
forward, disseminate, cut paste or copy content from this email without
permission. Reproduction of this mail or any of its contents constitutes
breach of copyright and an ethical breach of law.
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Morrell" <ric...@smoothwall.org>
> To: "Robert Morein" <r...@NetReach.Net>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Smoothwall has a bad attitude
>
>
> > and if you email me again I'll come after you
> >
> > I do NOT stretch the GPL - work wholly legally within its confines
> >
> > Take me on you cunt
> >
> Alright, I will.
> I will post your profane emails, all three of them, to the linux
newsgroups
> weekly, unless I receive a written (smail mail) apology from you. IP-cop
> looks like a much better product anyway, and I will direct prospective
users
> to them.
>
> I fully expect you to attempt to retaliate, Richard, but it will simply
take
> dollars out of your pocket for the rest of your life, and ruin your
personal
> reputation to boot.
>
>
> Kindest regards,
> Bob Morein
>
>
Robert Morein
or a threat:
Robert I asked you twice before
Richard Morrell, Founder and Funder - SmoothWall GPL project
Visit our website at www.smoothwall.org - the SmoothWall GPL project gives
you a free taster firewall appliance with approaching two years of global
maturity and installations worldwide. It does not give you a right to
become a pain in my ass or in Lawrences ass. Your story has truly touched
our hearts. Install by all means, enjoy but don't keep chewing our asses.
Any and all emails from the Smoothwall.org and smoothwall.co.uk domains
are protected by European and UK Statute. You do not have the right to
forward, disseminate, cut paste or copy content from this email without
permission. Reproduction of this mail or any of its contents constitutes
breach of copyright and an ethical breach of law.
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> Your two posts are going out on the news server now.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Morrell" <ric...@smoothwall.org>
> To: "Robert Morein" <r...@NetReach.Net>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Smoothwall has a bad attitude
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > thats threatening talk
> >
> > IPcop isnt a product its a toy.
> >
> > I have asked George to contact NetReach directly
> >
> > Richard Morrell, Founder and Funder - SmoothWall GPL project
> > Visit our website at www.smoothwall.org - the SmoothWall GPL project
gives
> > you a free taster firewall appliance with approaching two years of
global
> > maturity and installations worldwide. It does not give you a right to
> > become a pain in my ass or in Lawrences ass. Your story has truly
touched
> > our hearts. Install by all means, enjoy but don't keep chewing our
asses.
> >
> > Any and all emails from the Smoothwall.org and smoothwall.co.uk domains
> > are protected by European and UK Statute. You do not have the right to
> > forward, disseminate, cut paste or copy content from this email without
> > permission. Reproduction of this mail or any of its contents constitutes
> > breach of copyright and an ethical breach of law.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Robert Morein wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Morrell" <ric...@smoothwall.org>
BMurray
look like a two year old. Christ, if I posted to Usenet everytime
someone was rude to me I wouldn't have time to do anything else.
Ben
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:53:32 -0500, "Robert Morein" <sorrynospam@here>
wrote:
Bluebeard
I'm inclined to agree with you but this is hardly the first time
this has occurred. The easiest thing to do is just blacklist
smoothwall altogether and let the developer sink in his own
cesspool.
Bluebeard.
Clayton
> <snip>
> The easiest thing to do is just blacklist
> smoothwall altogether and let the developer sink in his own
> cesspool.
>
> Bluebeard.
Already being done. Smoothwall has been blacklisted by many private
and corporate users. They have switched over to other more reputable
firewall products like IPCop (www.ipcop.org) or commercial. I have
personally removed over 300 smoothwall installations (I stopped
counting some time ago) and replaced them with IPCop, much to the
delight of the end users. Many have said they would never donate,
little own buy a product from someone so abusive. Trust is a big issue
with security products. Smoothwall has proven time, and time again,
that it can't be trusted due to it's author's attitude and management
of smoothwall. He's just ticked off too many people around the world.
IPCop seems to have a very promising future. I can't say that about
smoothwall.
AEBrookes
then he shouldn't be participating in the open source community; he's already
pushing the GPL to its limits. Let SmoothWall project die from the leaders lack
of manners. Open source is about sharing and co-operation.
IPCop sounds like a good project to me.
Adam
Geezer
yeah been looking at the smoothwall mailing list and he is pretty
obnoxious. As for IPcop being a toy, hmmmm..... pretty much identical to
sw gpl except it's got ext3 :)
If he intends sw to be a taster for their commercial product then being
abusive to people on the mailing lists is not a very good advert.
Greg
blurp
I have to say I'm appalled by these responses. I've been using Smoothwall
for a little over a year now and have been quite happy with it. In fact, I
was very close to buying their server product for use at work. BUT after
reading these responses, I'm truly disgusted. I had a quick look at ipcop
and it's actually forked from Smoothwall anyway, don't know how he can then
claim it's a "toy".
Thank you for bringing this to our collective attention.
Cheers,
Peter.
"Robert Morein" <sorrynospam@here> wrote in message
news:3c8c2...@news7.fast.net...
Geezer
says...
> Hello Robert,
>
> I have to say I'm appalled by these responses.
You'd see more like this if you subscribed to the mailing lists. Not
very good advertising to say the least, considering its meant to be a
"taster".
> I've been using Smoothwall
> for a little over a year now and have been quite happy with it. In fact, I
> was very close to buying their server product for use at work. BUT after
> reading these responses, I'm truly disgusted. I had a quick look at ipcop
> and it's actually forked from Smoothwall anyway, don't know how he can then
> claim it's a "toy".
Exactly.....
IPCOP is almost identical, except for the fact that it has ext3 and it
looks like it will be updated more than smoothwall gpl.
>
> Thank you for bringing this to our collective attention.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter.
Greg