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Artax

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Nov 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/22/97
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Dellway wrote:
> Far be it for me to provoke yet another potential flame war, but never do
I
> ever equate yiffing between furries, whether they be between anthro to
anthro,
> anthro to non-anthro or non-anthro to non-anthro species, where both
partners
> are sentient, to be compared to bestiaitly or zoophilia. IMHO, I place
zoo
> together with paedophilia. Even I have a fine line of morality of which
zoo
> certainly crosses over.

In order to prevent flamewars, ALF's posting guidelines
explicitly declare value judgements on the personal
lives of other posters off-topic here, which is a line
comparing zoophiles to paedophiles certainly crosses
over.


arta tern | Artax
x n e | (Brad Austin)
@ i t |
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Whisper

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Nov 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/22/97
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pkr wrote

IMHO, I place zoo
> together with paedophilia. Even I have a fine line of morality of which
zoo
> certainly crosses over.
>
> Dellway
>

<sigh> You have just as much right to a set of personal morals as I do.
But please read the FAQ.
Whisper.

HPickands

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Nov 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/22/97
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In article <656eeq$4ha$1...@velar.olsy-na.com>, p...@accessin.com.au (pkr) writes:

>IMHO, I place zoo
>together with paedophilia. Even I have a fine line of morality of which zoo
>certainly crosses over.

IMHO you need to learn something about what you're talking about before barging
in here and trying to start a fight. Your lack of knowledge concerning both
philias is ghastly.

Get thee hence, and educate thyself. If you can't do that, please remain at
AFF.

Sheesh! :p

Harry,
wondering who left the door open.

pkr

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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Far be it for me to provoke yet another potential flame war, but never do I
ever equate yiffing between furries, whether they be between anthro to anthro,
anthro to non-anthro or non-anthro to non-anthro species, where both partners
are sentient, to be compared to bestiaitly or zoophilia. IMHO, I place zoo
together with paedophilia. Even I have a fine line of morality of which zoo
certainly crosses over.

Dellway

Colin Palmer

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:51:35 GMT, fl...@northcom.com.au (Tim Gadd) wrote:

>There are a very few posting rules for ALF,and one of them is that
>value judgements about the lifestyles of other posters are not
>allowed. In saying that zoohpilia is immoral you are posting a blanket
>moral value judgement which breaches our posting rules. We don't ask
>that you change your mind about this topic; I'm not even trying to
>convince you that you're wrong. It's just that we made a committment
>to zoophile furries that ALF would be free from such derogatory
>remarks against them, and we enshrined that in our charter and FAQ.

Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?

--Colin.

Artax

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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Yes, they do.

Tim Gadd

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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co...@ihug.co.nz (Colin Palmer) wrote:

>Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?

Our posting guidelines state that personal attacks and value
judgements against other posters are forbidden, so the answer is yes.

If we had a rule against value judgements, which specified exceptions
to the rule, the rule itself would be a value judgement.


--
Tim Gadd
Hobart, Tasmania

"I'm all for assault on form and structure. It's
the only way to relieve one's cosmic boredom."

- Michael Moorcock

- change 'northcom' to 'southcom' in my email address.


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Atara

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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pkr wrote:
>
> Far be it for me to provoke yet another potential flame war,

[snip]

Flame war? Heh heh heh.

A lone dragon flies low over the trees of ALF, scanning the ground.
Furries are clustered here and there, discussing items of interest. The
dragon circles on a thermal, enjoying the cool breeze.

A large group in a field catches her eye. She glides in for a closer
look. The noise from the many voices being raised is intense once she
gets close. She examines the crowd closely.

Then she spots it! A troll, sneaking through ALF! She tucks in her wings
to dive. Her eyes ever leave the troll, and -

[a few minutes of graphic violence has been snipped for your protection]

Atara settles next to a charred spot in the otherwise green grass.

"Barbeque, anyone?"

Atara
Remove the SPAMTHIS to reply.

Farlo

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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Atara wrote:
>
> "Barbeque, anyone?"

=^_^=

I love barbecues!!

--
Farlo =:)

Farlo's pages >>> Http://users.abac.com/Standard

WebKitty

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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In article <3478AE...@SPAMTHISyahoo.com>, Atara
<ata...@SPAMTHISyahoo.com> wrote:

> pkr wrote:
> >
> > Far be it for me to provoke yet another potential flame war,

<snip>
> "Barbeque, anyone?"

<WebKitty pads up to the charred remains...>

Hrm...I'm not sure...that troll looks kinda chewy and tough to me...

WebKitty

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Skytech

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Nov 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/23/97
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WebKitty wrote:
>
> In article <3478AE...@SPAMTHISyahoo.com>, Atara
> <ata...@SPAMTHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > pkr wrote:
> > >
> > > Far be it for me to provoke yet another potential flame war,
>
> <snip>
> > "Barbeque, anyone?"
>
> <WebKitty pads up to the charred remains...>
>
> Hrm...I'm not sure...that troll looks kinda chewy and tough to me...
>

Skytechh's muzzle scrintches at the sight. "I don't think I could
swallow any of this!"
--
La kasigada vulpo
Skytech

Nrasser

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Colin Palmer <co...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in article
<347a49ef....@furry.olsy-na.com>...


> On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:51:35 GMT, fl...@northcom.com.au (Tim Gadd) wrote:
>
> >There are a very few posting rules for ALF,and one of them is that
> >value judgements about the lifestyles of other posters are not
> >allowed. In saying that zoohpilia is immoral you are posting a blanket
> >moral value judgement which breaches our posting rules. We don't ask
> >that you change your mind about this topic; I'm not even trying to
> >convince you that you're wrong. It's just that we made a committment
> >to zoophile furries that ALF would be free from such derogatory
> >remarks against them, and we enshrined that in our charter and FAQ.
>

> Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?
>

> --Colin.

The posting guidelines simply disallow value judgements. They protect
anyone, regardless of the subject.

Nrasser

Who has no .sig today.

Whisper

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Colin Palmer wrote997 16:51:35 GMT, fl...@northcom.com.au (Tim Gadd) wrote:
>
> >There are a very few posting rules for ALF,and one of them is that
> >value judgements about the lifestyles of other posters are not
> >allowed.
<>
>
> Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?
>
> --Colin.

I sense that you dislike our policy that disallows one to attack the
beliefs and practices of others. You have the right to not like that rule
but you don't have the right to break it. Please refrain from further
attempts at starting a fight in this group.
Thank You = )
Whisper.

Whisper

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Atara wrote

> pkr wrote:
> >
> > Far be it for me to provoke yet another potential flame war,
>
> [snip]
>
> Flame war? Heh heh heh.
<Do to graphic nature the remainder of this scene has been clipped>
Never get into a flame war with a dragon. It's just not a good idea.
Whisper.

Lupinus

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Does the word "shut-up" mean anything to this group?

In defense of that sentence i'd like to point out that anymore comment on this
subject would be against the point of the placement of the rules in the furst
place.
You might ask your self; "Why is he posting it if he believes that?" I'll tell
you why, because someone has to point it out to those that don't realize it.

So take the hint, STOP THE BLASTED THREAD ALREADY!!!


Lupinus
The craziest wolf this side of the Rockies.
And starting to sound like someone from Pern :o/


Tim Gadd

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Lupinus <goth...@geocities.com> wrote:

>Does the word "shut-up" mean anything to this group?

>In defense of that sentence i'd like to point out that anymore comment on this
>subject would be against the point of the placement of the rules in the furst
>place.

How is explaining the guidelines a violation of the guidelines?

>You might ask your self; "Why is he posting it if he believes that?" I'll tell
>you why, because someone has to point it out to those that don't realize it.

>So take the hint, STOP THE BLASTED THREAD ALREADY!!!

I'm quite pleased we had this opportunity to demonstrate that we still
understand and support the newsgroup's philosophy.

>Lupinus
>The craziest wolf this side of the Rockies.

Ok... :/


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Allen Kitchen

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Atara <ata...@SPAMTHISyahoo.com> wrote in article
<3478AE...@SPAMTHISyahoo.com>...
> "Barbeque, anyone?"

The netwolf casts a disparaging glance at the still
smoking remains of the Troll who dared come in and declare
that this equals that...

"Gee, thanks Atara. But I am going to have to decline.
You see, my doctor has me on a FAQ-free diet :)"

Allen Kitchen
all...@blkbox.com
http://www.blkbox.com/~osprey/


Darien J. Fox

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Nov 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/24/97
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Tim Gadd wrote:

This flame war is out of controll! Quick! Fox the fire-extenguishers! get that
hydrant ready! wait a minute.. hydrant? umm.. .. GET that hydrant in the
middle!

Free lemonade to all canids!

--
Darien, attempting to put out the fire the best way possible.


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HPickands

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Nov 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/25/97
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In article <34795A99...@geocities.com>, Lupinus <goth...@geocities.com>
writes:

>
Does the word "shut-up" mean anything to this group?

*Lupinus - Shut up!
*Me - Shut up? You want me to shut up? Ok, I can shut up, I know how to shut
up, *you don't have to tell me twice to shut up, I know when to shut up. Look,
see, this *is me shutting up just like you want me to shut up, I'm shutting up
now, watch me *shut up, see, I'm-----
*Lupinus - Shut up shutting up!
<with thanks and apologies to Chuck Jones> :)

Lupinus
The craziest wolf this
>side of the Rockies.

Ohhhh-kay. Ah, just which side of the Rockies are you on? :o

Harry Bear,
who probably should have shut up when this string launched, and left it to the
pros, who handled it with style and grace.
< with thanks to Tim & Brad> :)


Whisper

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Nov 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/25/97
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HPickands wrote

, Lupinus writes:
>
> >
> Does the word "shut-up" mean anything to this group?
>
> *Lupinus - Shut up!
> *Me - Shut up? You want me to shut up? Ok, I can shut up, I know how to
shut
> up, *you don't have to tell me twice to shut up, I know when to shut up.
Look,
> see, this *is me shutting up just like you want me to shut up, I'm
shutting up
> now, watch me *shut up, see, I'm-----
<>
> <with thanks and apologies to Chuck Jones> :)

Harry, shut up.
(sorry, couldn't pass that one up.)
But seriously, I agree with the ignore the troll philosophy and as of this
point I'll only respond to the light hearted version's of this thread,
(I.e. this one).
Whisper. who hates the smell of toasted troll.

Locandez

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Nov 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/25/97
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In article <19971125022...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,

hpic...@aol.com (HPickands) wrote:
>
>Lupinus
>The craziest wolf this
>>side of the Rockies.

Hate to dissapoint yer, but the lupines on the _other_ side of the Rockies
are totally and utterly bonkers-barmy-in-the-nut.


Locandez


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Allen Kitchen

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Nov 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/25/97
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Locandez <Yyp...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in article
<na.178d8c47ee...@argonet.co.uk>...


> Hate to dissapoint yer, but the lupines on the _other_ side of the
Rockies
> are totally and utterly bonkers-barmy-in-the-nut.

Hey! *snarl* No need to be insulting... We are not crazy.
Just a bit giddy at the prospect of the coming holidays.
Carolers coming to the door. Yum! Just remember not
to eat the candles, and to let them finish the song first as a
simple dinner courtesy :)

Allen //shockwave, da netwolf// Kitchen
all...@blkbox.com
http://www.blkbox.com/~osprey/


Atara

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Nov 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/26/97
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Farlo wrote:
>
> Atara wrote:
> >
> > "Barbeque, anyone?"
>
> =^_^=
>
> I love barbecues!!

Well, then you can bring the potato salad... And who's bringing the
beverages?

(Hmm, I may need to grill another troll...)

--

Colin Palmer

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Nov 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/28/97
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OK, in the interest of not prolonging this thread too much longer, it's one
reply to everyone who's responded so far. Apologies if this makes it a
little hard to read.


>From bo...@address.com Mon Nov 24 05:43:52 1997
>From: "Artax" <bo...@address.com>


>> Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?

>Yes, they do.

>From fl...@northcom.com.au Mon Nov 24 07:05:48 1997
>From: fl...@northcom.com.au (Tim Gadd)


>>Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?

>Our posting guidelines state that personal attacks and value
>judgements against other posters are forbidden, so the answer is yes.
>If we had a rule against value judgements, which specified exceptions
>to the rule, the rule itself would be a value judgement.

>From Nra...@ANTISPAMminn.net Mon Nov 24 17:42:24 1997
>From: "Nrasser" <Nra...@ANTISPAMminn.net >


>> Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?

>The posting guidelines simply disallow value judgements. They protect
>anyone, regardless of the subject.

Actually, to Artax, Tim and Nrasser, all I can say is: Thank you.
I wish these had been some of the first responses I read, rather than some
of the last. At least they make up a majority of them.


>From jinx...@sover.net Mon Nov 24 08:33:33 1997
>From: "Chris Johnson" <jinx...@sover.net>
>On Sun, Nov 23, 1997 10:25 AM, Colin Palmer <mailto:co...@ihug.co.nz>


>>Tell me, do your posting guidelines protect pedophile furries too?

> The posting guidelines prohibit personal attacks.
> We don't know or CARE what the attacks would be about, or who would be
> considering them justified. Leave 'em outside. Period.
> If this seems arbitrary and difficult, that is understandable. Doesn't
> change anything. THERE ARE NO 'safe' targets for personal attacks here.

As above, Thank You, Jinx.

> That emphatically includes any pedophile furries, if we had any. Attack
> them in some other newsgroup.

My question was not a personal attack. Such an attack was about the last
thing on my mind when I posted it.


>From whi...@furry.reno.nv.us Mon Nov 24 17:55:10 1997
>From: "Whisper" <whi...@furry.reno.nv.us>


>I sense that you dislike our policy that disallows one to attack the
>beliefs and practices of others. You have the right to not like that rule
>but you don't have the right to break it.

Actually, I applaud that policy, particularly since other replies to my
question have assured me that it is applied evenly, and not just to select
groups, as previous posts to this group may have led me to believe.

>Please refrain from further
>attempts at starting a fight in this group.

I don't believe that my post was in violation of that policy, however I
respect your efforts to maintin it, so I will end the thread here.

>Thank You = )


>From tab...@mindspring.com Mon Nov 24 04:32:51 1997
>Everyone repeat after me: <PLONK!>
>-Duncan da Husky, who has precious little tolerance for trolling

If I had posted that question seperately, rather than as a followup, I
would have been rather upset to get this response... However since it may
have been awkwardly timed, I will hope that you just misinterpreted me.

>From aste...@cuug.ab.ca Sun Nov 23 13:35:48 1997
>On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:32:51, tab...@mindspring.com (Duncan da Husky)
>wrote:
>> Everyone repeat after me: <PLONK!>
>*PLONK* And another one hits the bit-bucket. What I'm concerned
>about is that this guy it going to start mouthing off that furries are
>all such-and-such, and it's gonna freak out people. Oh, well, just
>another one hovering around the hot-buttons, I guess.

Hmmmm, I've never really been referred to as "this guy" before. Of course
since I had no intention of doing what you said, perhaps noone else has had
cause to...


Anyway, enough said on that subject, I hope. I will happily discuss this
in email instead with anyfur that wants to. My address is in the headers.

(To reply: select "Reply by email" and DON'T CHANGE THE REPLY ADDRESS)

--Colin

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Niquea

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Nov 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/30/97
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>> <WebKitty pads up to the charred remains...>
>>
>> Hrm...I'm not sure...that troll looks kinda chewy and tough to me...
>>
>
> Skytechh's muzzle scrintches at the sight. "I don't think I could
>swallow any of this!"
>--

Maybe some A1?

Careful, it's murrrder on the fur

~V


Skytech

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Nov 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/30/97
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Niquea wrote:
>
> >
> > Skytechh's muzzle scrintches at the sight. "I don't think I could
> >swallow any of this!"
> >--
>
> Maybe some A1?
>

What?! Ruin a perfectly good steak sauce on troll spam?! Eeewww!

> Careful, it's murrrder on the fur
>

Aaah... I don't think I want to get on that thought! ,)

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