Now I know you, and you know me... [Introduction]
Delve
leave for the weekend and in the meantime someone turned off my computer and it
died. I didn't intend to start posting until now, but you people sucked me in.
Heh. Here's the rewritten one then, being that it's traditional and all. I'll
see you all around again.
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Yourself
1. What is your name? Online, I go by Delve Countdown in most places.
Occasionally you'll find me using the pseudonym Narcosynthesis. My fursona's
name is 'Cet Diamorphine, and I use its/his name too sometimes, cos really,
we're the same person, just 22 years apart.
2. What is your email address?
delveco...@aol.com
3. Are you male or female?
FTM trans.
4. How old are you? / What is your date of birth?
12.11.84 ... thus making me 18. However, I usually feel like a bitter, cynical,
aging 40 ('Cet). A poll once taken of all household occupants revealed that I
am intellectually 30 and emotionally 5. I don't think they count.
5. Where do you live?
Cow Town, Liberalstan
</sarcasm>
Sacto-area CA. I'm originally from Santa Cruz, though, and I'm going back when
I can.
6. What are your interests/hobbies?
Ouf. Cos I'm too lazy to retype it, here's what's on my journal list:
-I-, 2, 55, a.s.a.p., accept, adrian smith, alt.drugs.hard, anthro art, art,
beavis and butthead, bill hicks, blaze, camaro, conrad mengele, creed tree,
cyberpunk, dave mustaine, dead kennedys, death, delorean, denis leary,
draconity, drug lore, drug subculture, drugs, electric guitar, even jesus hates
creed, falling down, filmmaking, firebird, furry, george carlin, glam rock,
grand theft auto, guns n' roses, hunter: the reckoning, in flames, iron maiden,
learning, leetass quotes, lewis black, mc frontalot, megadeth, motley crue,
muds, muscle cars, music industry, music subcultures, mustang, neurotic
outsiders, new model army, opeth, psycho motel, psychology, sci-fi,
screenwriting, skyclad, surf rock, the matrix, the ramones, the ziggens, thrash
metal, trans am, vintersorg, werewolf: the apocalypse, you're wrong, zombie
movies, zombie sneak attack, zombies
7. What do you do for a living?
I'm a bum. However, I'm a filmmaker. Never directed anything that made it to
post (which was NOT my fault, I'm working on it) but I've worked on several
minors and I'm going to be going to film school as soon as I get a car and some
spare cash. After that... I'm not sure what I'm gonna do actually. Probably hop
right on in.
8. How would you describe your personality?
Aggressive. But not really violently so, just intent. I guess. I dunno.
Actually, when asked to describe myself I usually say 'Bastard' and leave it at
that. 'Cos I *am* one, and anyhow, it's better when you make an impression of
me yourself. I will say that I have a minor neurosis regarding honesty. I try
to be truthful as much as I can (one of the main reasons I have few friends),
but since no one's perfect and there ARE times I don't want to take a fall or
don't think someone really wants to hear a truth that'll hurt, I'll lie. Hence,
I see myself as a liar when most people would say I'm one of the most
blindingly honest people on the planet. ::blank shrug::
9. Do you believe in ESP? Do you consider yourself to be psychic?
I don't like the terms 'ESP' or 'psychic'. They've been abused to generality.
Besides, the term 'psychic' reminds me too much of dial-up mystics. That said
though, I'm a natural empath. Little to no control over it mind you, but I'm
pretty damn good all things considered. I can often tell when someone's upset
about something even when they don't have a clue they are.
Plus, even if I were inclined to be skeptical about other sorts of things, I
once accidentally caused a small explosion while practicing something a dragon
taught me. That's hard to ignore.
I've never done that since, either.
10. Are you a meat eater?
Practically carnivorous.
Furry Media
11. Who are your favourite furry characters?
The Draconians in Dragonlance own me, as did those undead jackals in the second
recent Mummy movie. As for individuals, though, I can't really think of many. I
don't pay attention to a lot of mainstream media, weirdly enough. Unless you
count Vincent Rubio, P.I., of Eric Garcia's 'Rex' series. He rules.
12. What type of furry artwork do you enjoy viewing/collecting?
I don't collect much. But it's usually whatever catches my eye... an artistic
style more than a particular genre if you see the difference. I'm a big fan of
werewolves and cyberpunk stuff tho'. And Scandinavian stuff. One of my
packmates is a Viking.
13. What type of furry literature do you enjoy reading?
Anything that's written well. I'm not too picky.
14. What are your favourite furry films/cartoons?
Wolfen.
15. What are your favourite furry computer games?
They exist?
16. What are your favourite furry comic books?
Never seen one.
17. What are your favourite furry comic strips?
Jack. And FLEM's doing a furry subplot right now too.
18. What types of furry media do you create?
What don't I? I wrote a song about wolves/werewolves (it could be either
depending), I'm in the process of writing more than one full-length screenplay
set in an anthro world, I draw... well, lots of stuff. I create rather a lot.
Heh.
19. Who are your favourite furry artists?
Cara Jane Mitten, although I don't know how she'd take being referred to as a
'furry artist'. Heh.
20. Who are your favourite furry writers?
Because it's the only thing I read that really counts, Eric Garcia.
21. Who are your favourite furry musicians?
Never heard any. Although I'd bet you anything Justin Sullivan is a fur.
Plushies
22. What types of plushies do you own?
I think I've got that Scorch beanie baby somewhere. That's it though. Not
really into plushies.
Fursuits and Accessories
26. What type of fursuits do you own?
I don't.
27. Do you enjoy wearing furry accessories?
I made a tail for a Halloween costume once. It's astonishingly low-budget but
it rocks. It doesn't resemble my/'Cet's tail at all, but it's still fun. Yeah,
I like it.
28. Do you feel 'furrier' when wearing a fursuit/collar/tail etc?
Nah, not really. I mean hell, how do you feel more like yourself? I can't
imagine feeling less like myself either though, which I hear is something a lot
of people have trouble with. Who knows.
29. Do you wear your fursuits in public?
Where else?
30. Describe your favourite/ideal 'furry' appearance.
Just my tail, and perhaps a pair of nifty contacts. Always liked the idea of
having more dragonish eyes.
Furriness
31. What are your phenotype(s)?
I'm a dragon.. more specifically a Krros. I've been a lot of things but that's
the one I remember best and feel most like, still. I suppose coyote would also
be a pheno for me, being s/he/it's my totem.
32. Describe your ideal physical form.
I really don't know. I think, however, I'd either be 'Cet, or I'd return to
what I looked like as a Krros... URLs below for the curious.
http://images.deviantart.com/large/indyart/anthro/A_Literal_Interpretation.jpg
http://solfire.com/yna/artists/Narcosynthesis/repose.jpg
33. How much would you like to actually become an animal/furry?
Rememeber Lou Reed's song 'Heroin'? Yeah, kind of like that, except he *had*
heroin.
34. Would you like to be transformed into an animal/furry, if you could not
change back?
Bear. Woods. Toilet paper optional.
35. What kind of furry, non-sexual fantasies do you have?
Hard to define, because I don't see myself as human in any real way, hence any
fantasies I have are rendered furry fantasies.
36. What conditions help you to enjoy/express your furriness?
Heh, I don't need a whole lot of help... although I doubt many people around me
see the things I do as expressions of furriness. I like being in the woods I
grew up in though, a lot. I don't know any other furs.
External Furriness
37. How and when was your furriness first evident?
::blank shrug:: I haven't been human, in my own mind, for farther back than I
consciously remember.
38. How does your furriness influence your lifestyle, personality, appearance,
emotions or thoughts?
Haha. How doesn't it? I'm a growling, howling, pouncing, roleplaying, intensely
imaginitive shifter with infinite dreams. I don't even hug people, I just lean
on 'em.
39. How much control do you have over your furriness?
As much as I do over any other aspect of myself I guess. I do a lot of it
unconsciously.
40. Do you act furry in public?
Oh yeah.
41. How does your furriness influence the way you interact with people?
Well, other than growling at them, swatting them, pouncing them, making
animalistic noises and expecting them to be able to interpret, and otherwise
acting pretty thoroughly bestial (well, with a lot of cussing and vulgarity)...
42. Do you act more/less furry in the company of furry friends?
Don't have any. Why do you think I'm here? Heh.
43. What are other people's attitudes towards your furriness?
The only people I spend any time around simply accept the way I am. I doubt any
of them, with the exception of my pack, think of it as 'furriness'.
44. What types of furry themed decorations/accessories adorn your living space?
Actually, unless you count my own drawings and stuff and my wolf calendar,
nothing.
Internal Furriness
45. What factors influence your furriness?
To use the examples, past life/inner spirit and species dysphoria for my
draconity. Empathy and guardian spirit for Coyote. To a lesser extent, a lot of
the way I think comes from observation of/empathy with the various animals I
tend to surround myself with.
46. How much of your furriness is 'instinct' vs. 'learnt'?
It all came with me at birth I suppose. I certainly don't remember the first
time I realised 'Hey, something's wrong here'
47. The full moon: How does it affect you? Why do you think that it affects
you? Do you think that it affects non-furries in the same way that it affects
furries? Does the moon hold any spiritual significance for you?
I like the moon. But I like wind better... when I talk to it, it answers. Not
always politely, but it does.
Animals
48. What animals are you most/least comfortable with?
Cats and lizards. I've spent a lot of time with both. Iguanas, especially, are
interesting. I've had my fingers bitten by more alligator lizards than I care
to remember. As for least... eh. I'm not a huge fan of spiders, but after
sharing a room with quite a few hunting spiders for four years I'm not very
jumpy about 'em any more. We had an agreement - stay five feet away from me at
all times and I'll leave you alone. They did. So I did. I had very few insects
in my room.
49. What pets do you own?
I currently cohabitate with four cats, two of whom are 'mine' (more like I'm
theirs, if anything). Koku is a neutered male black Siamese who was born a
runt, then somehow sprouted into one of the biggest cats I've ever seen in my
life. He outweighs my guitar and there's not a speck of extra fat on him. He's
got no common sense whatsoever. Mama Squirt is black too, the half-tailed
descendant of several purebred manxes, and currently has a litter of five
podlings... one black manx (Gollum), two bullseye tabbies, one manx (Otter) and
one halftail (Stubsy), and two mackerel tabbies, both full tails (Squall and
Flea). They're just over two weeks old as I type this.
50. Do you have the opportunity to watch animals in the wild?
I used to live in the Santa Cruz mountains, which means I've seen more deer,
bobcats, raccoons, and so on than most people will ever see in their lifetime.
Currently the only animals I see wild are deer (again), jackrabbits, and crows.
51. Do you have a greater-than-average empathy with animals?
I wouldn't call it empathy. I pay attention to them as sentient, intelligent
individuals, and hence I understand and communicate with them. I suppose being
an empath helps too, but it's not necessary at all.
52. Do you believe that animals have ESP?
Why would they need it?
53. Have you ever communicated with an animal via telepathy?
I'm not a telepath, but then, I don't have to be. When going to another
country, do you demand the natives learn your language? Learn theirs and
communication is a snap. It's not that hard.
54. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for food?
::shrug:: Do what thou wilt. So long as they're not being outright abused it's
no business of mine.
55. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for fur/leather?
I'm not a huge fan of it, but people do worse. Plus, frankly, I hate cows.
They're loud, stupid, and obstinate.
56. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt animals for sport?
It's not a sport and it's no feat, unless you and Simba are in an arena with
open betting and you're armed with a knife (for fairness, to equate claws)
The Internet
57. What are your favourite animal/furry websites?
YNA. Lioncrusher's Domain is useful.
58. What are your favourite furry MUCKs/MUDs?
I used to be a regular on Furscape.
59. What are your favourite animal/furry newsgroups/mailing lists?
I'm only on one - Bay Area Furs, and I only signed up for that last week.
60. How did you discover alt.lifestyle.furry?
Wandering around.
61. What were your very first impressions of alt.lifestyle.furry?
Hey, no porn spam!
62. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
I don't like biting my tongue on vulgarity, and I like to argue, so the ban on
that isn't fun, but eh, I'll deal. Most? The variety I guess. Getting a toehold
into the fur community, of which I'm not a member.
63. What would you like to see more/less of in alt.lifestyle.furry?
Expletives. Heh!
Sexuality/Relationships
64. Are you straight, gay or bisexual? [if you want to be more precise you can
specify your answer on a scale ranging from 0 (strictly heterosexual) to 9
(strictly homosexual).]
I'm asexual. Not really interested. I'd do it if I had a mate who wanted to,
but for myself I couldn't really care less. Just got no libido of which to
speak. Therefore this whole section is kind of irrelevant.
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NP: Bruce Dickinson - The Magician
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Loganberry
> 1. What is your name? Online, I go by Delve Countdown in most
> places. Occasionally you'll find me using the pseudonym
> Narcosynthesis. My fursona's name is 'Cet Diamorphine, and I use
> its/his name too sometimes, cos really, we're the same person,
> just 22 years apart.
Well, I'll stick to Delve for now, if it's okay with you. Hello Delve.
*waves* *checks answer to Q10* Have some faggots and peas. (Meatballs!
They're meatballs!)
> 6. What are your interests/hobbies?
> Ouf. Cos I'm too lazy to retype it, here's what's on my journal
> list: -I-, 2, 55, a.s.a.p., accept, adrian smith, alt.drugs.hard,
> anthro art, art, beavis and butthead, bill hicks, blaze, camaro,
> conrad mengele, creed tree, cyberpunk, dave mustaine, dead
> kennedys, death, delorean, denis leary, draconity, drug lore, drug
> subculture, drugs, electric guitar, even jesus hates creed,
> falling down, filmmaking, firebird, furry, george carlin, glam
> rock, grand theft auto, guns n' roses, hunter: the reckoning, in
> flames, iron maiden, learning, leetass quotes, lewis black, mc
> frontalot, megadeth, motley crue, muds, muscle cars, music
> industry, music subcultures, mustang, neurotic outsiders, new
> model army, opeth, psycho motel, psychology, sci-fi,
> screenwriting, skyclad, surf rock, the matrix, the ramones, the
> ziggens, thrash metal, trans am, vintersorg, werewolf: the
> apocalypse, you're wrong, zombie movies, zombie sneak attack,
> zombies
*blinks* Rather longer than most of the answers we get to that
question! =;) I guess "New Model Army" in this case doesn't imply
you're a fan of Oliver Cromwell, though... =;)
I keep thinking about getting one of those Livejournal thingies,
actually, but it seems like *such* a hassle just to get started. I have
this annoying streak of duty that leaps out at me from time to time
unexpectedly, and the problem with LJ is that it's a bit of a
commitment. Because either you have to pester someone into giving you a
code, in which case you're letting them down if you don't use the thing
much; or you have to pay, which is a waste of money and effort if you
don't use the thing much.
Whereas Usenet is easy come, easy go. One click and you're on/off.
Which has its own set of disadvantages, of course, but is undeniably
simple.
> I once accidentally caused a small explosion while
> practicing something a dragon taught me. That's hard to ignore.
I'd imagine so. Easier than a big explosion, though...
> 18. What types of furry media do you create?
> What don't I? I wrote a song about wolves/werewolves (it could be
> either depending), I'm in the process of writing more than one
> full-length screenplay set in an anthro world, I draw... well,
> lots of stuff. I create rather a lot. Heh.
Hmm, well, under normal circumstances, at this point, we'd all yell:
SHOW US!!!
but I s'pose that might be a bit tricky where commercial considerations
intrude. If you've got anything you can share, though, then:
SHOW US!!! =;)
> 21. Who are your favourite furry musicians?
> Never heard any. Although I'd bet you anything Justin Sullivan is
> a fur.
You might start off with Chama's "The Wolf in You". Enjoy. =:)
> 48. What animals are you most/least comfortable with?
> Cats and lizards. I've spent a lot of time with both. Iguanas,
> especially, are interesting. I've had my fingers bitten by more
> alligator lizards than I care to remember. As for least... eh. I'm
> not a huge fan of spiders, but after sharing a room with quite a
> few hunting spiders for four years I'm not very jumpy about 'em
> any more. We had an agreement - stay five feet away from me at all
> times and I'll leave you alone. They did. So I did. I had very few
> insects in my room.
Which is why I like spiders. Midge problems are so much less! =:)
'Course, we don't get nasty spiders in Britain (except when the
occasional Black Widow hitches a lift across the Atlantic in a banana
crate), but even so it depresses me slightly how many people dislike
them. I'd like to learn more about them, but that goes for about 724
other things too. *sigh*
> 62. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
> I don't like biting my tongue on vulgarity, and I like to argue,
> so the ban on that isn't fun, but eh, I'll deal.
There's a ban on arguing? Uh-oh.
> Most? The variety
> I guess. Getting a toehold into the fur community, of which I'm
> not a member.
All: "That's what you think..."
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Remove all the drivel to reply. "Laythi kasrahalt, a vatal kasrahil"
("Be cunning, and full of tricks")
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Delve
<<Well, I'll stick to Delve for now, if it's okay with you. Hello Delve.
*waves* *checks answer to Q10* Have some faggots and peas. (Meatballs!
They're meatballs!)>>
No worries at all. I'll take a fag, got a light? *pfu*
<<*blinks* Rather longer than most of the answers we get to that
question! =;)>>
It's easier to copy-paste than pick and choose all the important stuff. Hey,
now you know.
<< I guess "New Model Army" in this case doesn't imply
you're a fan of Oliver Cromwell, though... =;)>>
Not in this case. They're a band. One hell of a good one, at that. And as I
said previously I'd bet you anything Justin Sullivan's a fur, at least if one
can judge by his views, and the fact that he howls a whole lot. Not metal, but
HIGHLY reccommended.
<<I keep thinking about getting one of those Livejournal thingies,
actually, but it seems like *such* a hassle just to get started. I have
this annoying streak of duty that leaps out at me from time to time
unexpectedly, and the problem with LJ is that it's a bit of a
commitment. Because either you have to pester someone into giving you a
code, in which case you're letting them down if you don't use the thing
much; or you have to pay, which is a waste of money and effort if you
don't use the thing much.>>
I've had mine for over two years. I got it way back before it turned into this
fad thing and they were forced to put the codes in... yanno, back when it was a
walk-up sort of deal. I gotta say tho', I'm someone who can't stick to things
very easily and I've been doing it this long. It gets kinda habitual.
<<I'd imagine so. Easier than a big explosion, though...>>
Well, I say 'small' because it wasn't an explosion of flames and such, just an
outward expansion of pressure. I dunno exactly what it was, tell the truth,
just that it was very loud and involved an instantaneous flash of light. In a
crowded restaurant, no less... ::grunt::
<<Hmm, well, under normal circumstances, at this point, we'd all yell:
SHOW US!!!
but I s'pose that might be a bit tricky where commercial considerations
intrude. If you've got anything you can share, though, then:
SHOW US!!! =;)>>
There's a preview up for Stained v3.0, the old v2.0 is in there someplace, and
there's a lot of drawings. I don't have the lyrics for Wolfhunt anymore, but my
alpha probably does so I'll ask him.
You might start off with Chama's "The Wolf in You". Enjoy. =:)>>
Will do. Any metal? ::smirk::
<<Which is why I like spiders. Midge problems are so much less! =:)
'Course, we don't get nasty spiders in Britain (except when the
occasional Black Widow hitches a lift across the Atlantic in a banana
crate), but even so it depresses me slightly how many people dislike
them. I'd like to learn more about them, but that goes for about 724
other things too. *sigh*>>
We had black widows, but they stayed in the attic except for one that decided
it would be a good idea to hide in the couch downstairs. The ones in my room
were relatively inoffensive wandering hunting spiders.
I should also add that sun spiders kick some ass. We caught one and kept it for
a few days. Its name was LandSquid.
<<There's a ban on arguing? Uh-oh.
>>
Well, not *arguing*, but spirited exchanges of creative and colorful invective
I've gathered aren't usually appreciated. No one appreciates friendly ad
hominem anymore.
<<
All: "That's what you think...">>
Well hell, how can I be a member of a community when I don't know any of its
members and I don't spend any time around 'em? I'm not even on FurryMUCK fer
fakk's sake. I may be a fur (and that only occured to me a couple weeks ago,
weirdly) but I'm not much of a socialite usually.
Rabbitswift
> I'd typed up a Furvey with the intention of posting it today, but then I had
to
> leave for the weekend and in the meantime someone turned off my
computer and it
> died. I didn't intend to start posting until now, but you people sucked me
in.
> Heh. Here's the rewritten one then, being that it's traditional and all. I'll
> see you all around again.
>
Delve, I hope ya like it here. My name's Rabbitswift an' I'm the resident
spotted skunk an' also, so far as I know, the only swift fox here. Plus
resident nut-case, but hey... So that's got the introductions covered, so
make yourself comfortable while I browse the proffered article. *Grin*
>
> Yourself
>
> 1. What is your name? Online, I go by Delve Countdown in most places.
> Occasionally you'll find me using the pseudonym Narcosynthesis. My
fursona's
> name is 'Cet Diamorphine, and I use its/his name too sometimes, cos
really,
> we're the same person, just 22 years apart.
>
Interesting. 'Scuse a mephit's curiosity but could you elaborate on the 22
years apart? I mean how so, in what direction, and all that. If you don't
mind my asking.
> 4. How old are you? / What is your date of birth?
> 12.11.84 ... thus making me 18. However, I usually feel like a bitter,
cynical,
> aging 40 ('Cet). A poll once taken of all household occupants revealed
that I
> am intellectually 30 and emotionally 5. I don't think they count.
>
Ah well, you're only as old as you feel I say. Which probably makes me
perpetually twelve but what the hey.
> 6. What are your interests/hobbies?
> Ouf. Cos I'm too lazy to retype it, here's what's on my journal list:
> -I-, 2, 55, a.s.a.p., accept, adrian smith, alt.drugs.hard, anthro art, art,
> beavis and butthead, bill hicks, blaze, camaro, conrad mengele, creed
tree,
> cyberpunk, dave mustaine, dead kennedys, death, delorean, denis
leary,
> draconity, drug lore, drug subculture, drugs, electric guitar, even jesus
hates
> creed, falling down, filmmaking, firebird, furry, george carlin, glam rock,
> grand theft auto, guns n' roses, hunter: the reckoning, in flames, iron
maiden,
> learning, leetass quotes, lewis black, mc frontalot, megadeth, motley
crue,
> muds, muscle cars, music industry, music subcultures, mustang, neurotic
> outsiders, new model army, opeth, psycho motel, psychology, sci-fi,
> screenwriting, skyclad, surf rock, the matrix, the ramones, the ziggens,
thrash
> metal, trans am, vintersorg, werewolf: the apocalypse, you're wrong,
zombie
> movies, zombie sneak attack, zombies
>
Erf, well... I must admit that I'm quite unfamiliar with a lot of that, though I
assume that quite a few of the things listed were bands yes? But one thing
did catch my interest... I know, I'm being nosy, and probably showing my
ignorance to boot...
1. new model army-- Oliver Cromwell? Or something else?
>
> 7. What do you do for a living?
> I'm a bum. However, I'm a filmmaker. Never directed anything that made
it to
> post (which was NOT my fault, I'm working on it) but I've worked on
several
> minors and I'm going to be going to film school as soon as I get a car
and some
> spare cash. After that... I'm not sure what I'm gonna do actually.
Probably hop
> right on in.
>
Good luck with that. I had a fleeting interest in filmmaking myself thanks
to a class I took when I was in high school. It didn't quite pan out but it's
an interesting field to go into. And good filmmakers are hard to find these
days.
> Furry Media
>
> 11. Who are your favourite furry characters?
> The Draconians in Dragonlance own me,
It's been a while since I did anything in Dragonlance but those are the
things that tended to explode and whatnot at inconvieniant times, yes?
Quite interestings critters I thought. Kicked my tail but square once, too.
> Furriness
>
> 31. What are your phenotype(s)?
> I'm a dragon.. more specifically a Krros. I've been a lot of things but
that's
> the one I remember best and feel most like, still. I suppose coyote would
also
> be a pheno for me, being s/he/it's my totem.
>
Yotes are nice. But what kind of dragon's a Krros?
> 34. Would you like to be transformed into an animal/furry, if you could
not
> change back?
> Bear. Woods. Toilet paper optional.
>
Around here, yeah. Ick. ;)
> 55. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt/raise animals for fur/leather?
> I'm not a huge fan of it, but people do worse. Plus, frankly, I hate cows.
> They're loud, stupid, and obstinate.
>
Yeah, well, that's what happens when people start meddling with things
trying to fit them to their own plans. I've known a few very bright cows,
personally.
> 62. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
> I don't like biting my tongue on vulgarity, and I like to argue, so the ban
on
> that isn't fun, but eh, I'll deal. Most? The variety I guess. Getting a
toehold
> into the fur community, of which I'm not a member.
>
Ban? So far as I know there's no ban on either of those things. It's true
that there isn't a whole lot vulgarity on A.L.F. which can make a change
from the rest of the frotting internet but there's not a prohibition per se. And
if you've got the impression that arguing is prohibited you just wait a while.
Furs argue about everything under the sun, particularly when it comes to
political viewpoints or what kinds of computers are better than others.
Somethings are quite frowned upon such as abusing someone on a
lifestyle choice {i.e. something like gay-bashing, though to my knowledge
there's been little if any of that}. But otherwise, there's no one to slap you
on the wrist or anything like that.
Once again, welcome to A.L.F. Delve, it's nice to meet ya.
C'est la vie.
--Rabbit
"Rabbits, like gods, are timid, But they are not easily beaten."
from "The Rabbit in the Moon"© M.Williams, 2003
Furcode: FMS[Spotted Skunk]4s/CF[Swift Fox]4s A- C- D# H+ M- P- R+ T
W Z+ Sm?/m? RLLW/AT a24 c+ d? e++ f++++ !h iwf+ j+ p++ sm#
Rabbitswift
> Which is why I like spiders. Midge problems are so much less! =:)
> 'Course, we don't get nasty spiders in Britain (except when the
> occasional Black Widow hitches a lift across the Atlantic in a banana
> crate), but even so it depresses me slightly how many people dislike
> them. I'd like to learn more about them, but that goes for about 724
> other things too. *sigh*
>
I think I've already said I like spiders, somewhere anyway. I'm usually the
person who has to rescue people from the creepy crawlies at work. Or
sometimes the other way 'round even. I don't see why people get so
freaked out because of a bug. {Or arachnid or any of the various other
things that fall in this category, but it's always a "bug" when they call me
up. I should charge 'em money, I s'pose.} Even wasps and bumblebees
don't bug {hehe} me that much anymore.
My favorites are the Golden Garden spiders we get around here 'cause
they're absolutely huge spiders and they build lovely webs. And I've
always been fascinated by the Granddaddy Longlegs. One of the most
highly poisonous spiders in the U.S. so I've heard, but with jaws too weak
to pierce human flesh. *Grins* Gotta love that. I've seen what I believe to
have been a Black Widow which are actually very pretty spiders, tho' best
if seen from a respectful distance.
This, of course, can be a problem when you like moths too.
Delve
Nice to meet you...
<< Erf, well... I must admit that I'm quite unfamiliar with a lot of that,
though I
assume that quite a few of the things listed were bands yes? But one thing
did catch my interest... I know, I'm being nosy, and probably showing my
ignorance to boot...
1. new model army-- Oliver Cromwell? Or something else?>>
Several are bands, a few are movies, a few are cars. NMA is, as I said in
another reply, a band. And I'll say again that they go with a VERY high
recommendation.
<< Good luck with that. I had a fleeting interest in filmmaking myself thanks
to a class I took when I was in high school. It didn't quite pan out but it's
an interesting field to go into. And good filmmakers are hard to find these
days.>>
Thanks. Luckily for me, my chosen parts of the field are easy to get into...
specifically, my favorite job has been key electrician, and I also enjoy
gripwork. I don't have aspirations of directing a major picture, much less
acting in one, although I'm not a bad director. Actually, a whole lot of jobs
on a set are fun as hell. I'm really wanting to learn my way around a camera so
I can be a DP (director of photography). My class happens to have an awesome DP
in it; I've worked with him several times. He's got the perfect temperament for
it, above and beyond having a good aesthetic eye - he doesn't insist on getting
his way all the time, but he remembers things and he's not at all afraid to
offer his opinion. Very good to work with.
<< It's been a while since I did anything in Dragonlance but those are the
things that tended to explode and whatnot at inconvieniant times, yes?
Quite interestings critters I thought. Kicked my tail but square once, too.>>
Sort of. They're basically large dragon anthros whose bodies were designed to
be Very Unpleasant for the enemy when they died. Bozaks (bronzes) exploded,
Baaz (brass) turned to stone, Sivaks (silver) took on the likeness of the
person who killed them, and Auraks (gold) melted into acid.
<<Yotes are nice. But what kind of dragon's a Krros?>>
Basically a midsized, quadrupedal furry thing. I thought I linked to a sketch?
<< Yeah, well, that's what happens when people start meddling with things
trying to fit them to their own plans. I've known a few very bright cows,
personally.>>
I've got a grudge against the cows around here. They're all completely
worthless, and there's more of them than people. Plus they moo all night. I
don't listen to loud music JUST because I enjoy it.
<<Once again, welcome to A.L.F. Delve, it's nice to meet ya.>>
Indeed. -I-
Loganberry
> << I guess "New Model Army" in this case doesn't imply
> you're a fan of Oliver Cromwell, though... =;)>>
>
> Not in this case. They're a band. One hell of a good one, at that.
> And as I said previously I'd bet you anything Justin Sullivan's a
> fur, at least if one can judge by his views, and the fact that he
> howls a whole lot. Not metal, but HIGHLY reccommended.
Really? Well, I admit to never having heard of him before a quick
Google when he first came up. Still, I'll listen to most things. The
set of those I'll listen to *twice* is rather smaller.
Cheers. You'd cunningly hidden the URL where no-one would see it, I
notice: in your sig. *cough*
> <<http://www.furrymusic.org/
>
> You might start off with Chama's "The Wolf in You". Enjoy. =:)>>
>
> Will do. Any metal? ::smirk::
Yep. (You weren't expecting that reply, were you? =:P )
http://www.vulpine.pp.se/fmf/music/rockmetal.html?GRo
Haven't a clue what it's like, as metal's not my genre, but happy
hunting anyway.
> I should also add that sun spiders kick some ass. We caught one
> and kept it for a few days. Its name was LandSquid.
Probably wouldn't have sounded so good over here, 'cause it'd have
made people think of "Landcrab", which (for no apparent reason) was
the nickname given to the 1960s/70s Austin 1800/2200 cars. The 1800s
were actually reasonably successful in rallying, though you wouldn't
think so to look at them.
Ahem. Sorry to yabber on: I can be a bit of a bore on the subject of
motorsport, I'm afraid.
> Well hell, how can I be a member of a community when I don't know
> any of its members and I don't spend any time around 'em? I'm not
> even on FurryMUCK fer fakk's sake.
Nor are a lot of people, me included. As with LJ, only more so: it's
a major hassle to set up, especially if you want to get at the bits
that need proof of age, and to be honest it just sounds like too much
hard work. I'm a lazy rabbit.
Delve
<<Really? Well, I admit to never having heard of him before a quick
Google when he first came up. Still, I'll listen to most things. The
set of those I'll listen to *twice* is rather smaller.>>
Haha, no worries. NMA are not exactly a mainstream band. What's your usual type
of music?
<<Cheers. You'd cunningly hidden the URL where no-one would see it, I
notice: in your sig. *cough*>>
I know, I'm stealthy like that. ::snirk::
<<Yep. (You weren't expecting that reply, were you? =:P )>>
Well, yes and no. I figured it couldn't hurt to ask, but having not seen a
whole lot of metalhead fursonas...
<<Haven't a clue what it's like, as metal's not my genre, but happy
hunting anyway.>>
No worries, thanks mate.
<<Probably wouldn't have sounded so good over here, 'cause it'd have
made people think of "Landcrab", which (for no apparent reason) was
the nickname given to the 1960s/70s Austin 1800/2200 cars. The 1800s
were actually reasonably successful in rallying, though you wouldn't
think so to look at them.>>
Hehehehe. We called it that because of its paired sets of twin jagged-edged
beaks of death. That spider has the jaws of hell. No venom, it just gnaws shit
to death. We fed it.
<<Ahem. Sorry to yabber on: I can be a bit of a bore on the subject of
motorsport, I'm afraid.>>
No worries. My friends get very tired of my dropping everything and staring
when I see a good-looking muscle car.
<<Nor are a lot of people, me included. As with LJ, only more so: it's
a major hassle to set up, especially if you want to get at the bits
that need proof of age, and to be honest it just sounds like too much
hard work. I'm a lazy rabbit.>>
Yeah, that's why I'm not on there. I got no 'proof of ID' although one would
think that a paid AOL account might be good enough. Granted a lot of AOL users
are nosecunts, but...
Talon
> once accidentally caused a small explosion while practicing something a dragon
> taught me. That's hard to ignore.
Really?
I don't suppose you could teach me
> 37. How and when was your furriness first evident?
> ::blank shrug:: I haven't been human, in my own mind, for farther back than I
> consciously remember.
Tell me if this is accurate.
http://www.furnation.com/humor/topten.htm#bornfurry
Oh ya, there is a tradition of offering virtual food, so let's see...
> 10. Are you a meat eater?
> Practically carnivorous.
...Good I'll be back in a minute, maybe two if the food is on edge today.
Guardian Talon
Dexter
>From: delveco...@aol.compression (Delve)
>Date: 5/19/2003 1:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20030519164231...@mb-m01.aol.com>
>
>Yourself
>
>1. What is your name? Online, I go by Delve Countdown in most places.
>Occasionally you'll find me using the pseudonym Narcosynthesis. My fursona's
>name is 'Cet Diamorphine, and I use its/his name too sometimes, cos really,
>we're the same person, just 22 years apart.
>
>3. Are you male or female?
>FTM trans.
>
I take it you haven't had your surgery yet? Are you planning it soon? Or am I
completely wrong.
>6. What are your interests/hobbies?
>Ouf. Cos I'm too lazy to retype it, here's what's on my journal list:
>-I-, 2, 55, a.s.a.p., accept, adrian smith, alt.drugs.hard, anthro art, art,
>beavis and butthead, bill hicks, blaze, camaro, conrad mengele, creed tree,
>cyberpunk, dave mustaine, dead kennedys, death, delorean, denis leary,
>draconity, drug lore, drug subculture, drugs, electric guitar, even jesus
>hates
>creed, falling down, filmmaking, firebird, furry, george carlin, glam rock,
>grand theft auto, guns n' roses, hunter: the reckoning, in flames, iron
>maiden,
>learning, leetass quotes, lewis black, mc frontalot, megadeth, motley crue,
>muds, muscle cars, music industry, music subcultures, mustang, neurotic
>outsiders, new model army, opeth, psycho motel, psychology, sci-fi,
>screenwriting, skyclad, surf rock, the matrix, the ramones, the ziggens,
>thrash
>metal, trans am, vintersorg, werewolf: the apocalypse, you're wrong, zombie
>movies, zombie sneak attack, zombies
>
That's all? :-)
>61. What were your very first impressions of alt.lifestyle.furry?
>Hey, no porn spam!
>
Sorry. We've been meaning to get that fixed.
>63. What would you like to see more/less of in alt.lifestyle.furry?
>Expletives. Heh!
>
I'm almost afraid of what direction you would like to go there.
Oh, well, a lot of snipping, but I'm sure you wouldn't want to read a comment
on everything ( I wouldn't). *hugs again* and hope you have fun.
-Dexter Fox
Farlo
Geigeresque
m}^_^{Y
sharp happy fun
--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
Imperial States of America
David
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>6. What are your interests/hobbies?
>Ouf. Cos I'm too lazy to retype it, here's what's on my journal list:
>-I-, 2, 55, a.s.a.p., accept, adrian smith, alt.drugs.hard, anthro art, art,
PEople take drugs because the state is not doing it's duty to make a
workers paradise.
IF they were to increase taxes on the rich, massively incsrase the
portfoloio and resreoues of the welfare state and follow democratic
socalist polocies, you wouldn't want to take drugs since you'd have no
need too.
many drugs are bad, they need to be banned for your own good.
>beavis and butthead, bill hicks, blaze, camaro, conrad mengele, creed tree,
>cyberpunk, dave mustaine, dead kennedys, death, delorean, denis leary,
>draconity, drug lore, drug subculture, drugs, electric guitar, even jesus hates
>creed, falling down, filmmaking, firebird, furry, george carlin, glam rock,
>grand theft auto, guns n' roses, hunter: the reckoning, in flames, iron maiden,
They only one really good album: Powerslave, Although Piece of mind
and Number of the beast did rock quite a bit as well. (mainly for "the
Trooper, Run to the Hills and Hallowed be Thy name, Also Rhyme of the
ancient mariner)
>learning, leetass quotes, lewis black, mc frontalot, megadeth, motley crue,
>muds, muscle cars, music industry, music subcultures, mustang, neurotic
>outsiders, new model army, opeth, psycho motel, psychology, sci-fi,
>screenwriting, skyclad, surf rock, the matrix, the ramones, the ziggens, thrash
Children of Bodem's cover of Several Iron maiden songs and the ramones
somebody put something in my drink seriously rock, Since they are
like, ohhh, howling death metal.
>metal, trans am, vintersorg, werewolf: the apocalypse, you're wrong, zombie
>movies, zombie sneak attack, zombies
"A Star Guarded Coronation"
Has possibly some of the most bizarre and wordy lyrics I've ever
heard.
His Singing voice sucks a bit, but it's good enough to add character
rather than detract.
>9. Do you believe in ESP? Do you consider yourself to be psychic?
>I don't like the terms 'ESP' or 'psychic'. They've been abused to generality.
>Besides, the term 'psychic' reminds me too much of dial-up mystics. That said
>though, I'm a natural empath. Little to no control over it mind you, but I'm
>pretty damn good all things considered. I can often tell when someone's upset
>about something even when they don't have a clue they are.
>
>Plus, even if I were inclined to be skeptical about other sorts of things, I
>once accidentally caused a small explosion while practicing something a dragon
>taught me. That's hard to ignore.
Where is the emprical evidence for this?
Are you sure it's simply not wishful thinking, since after all
Don;t' yoiu think if psychic powers really existed, We'd know by now?
>I've never done that since, either.
hmmm...
>11. Who are your favourite furry characters?
>The Draconians in Dragonlance own me, as did those undead jackals in the second
Dragonlance is one of the worst crimes against paper I have ever read!
It's like reading a transcript of a second rate PnP munchkins.
campeign
>12. What type of furry artwork do you enjoy viewing/collecting?
>I don't collect much. But it's usually whatever catches my eye... an artistic
>style more than a particular genre if you see the difference. I'm a big fan of
>werewolves and cyberpunk stuff tho'. And Scandinavian stuff. One of my
>packmates is a Viking.
Does he like Bathory?
I like some of their stuff, But apparantly, Quorthorn Sends you nasty
e-mails if you reveiw his stuff badly.
>15. What are your favourite furry computer games?
>They exist?
"Wizardry 8" featured Antrhomorphic Tigers and wolves, and lizard men
and dragons as player charecters.
>Hard to define, because I don't see myself as human in any real way, hence any
>fantasies I have are rendered furry fantasies.
hmm, Why do you have a human brain and behave in human behavioural
paradigms then?
>52. Do you believe that animals have ESP?
>Why would they need it?
Why do people need it in that case?
Since people are animals?
>62. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
>I don't like biting my tongue on vulgarity, and I like to argue, so the ban on
>that isn't fun, but eh, I'll deal. Most? The variety I guess. Getting a toehold
>into the fur community, of which I'm not a member.
Don't worry, I never have. And I like to argue too!
You'll probably grow out of it though. HTH.
---
http://www.wsws.org
Loganberry
<snip>
> I've always been fascinated by the Granddaddy Longlegs. One of the
> most highly poisonous spiders in the U.S. so I've heard, but with
> jaws too weak to pierce human flesh.
Yeah, I've heard about those (possibly from you!) - but what happens if
you have a cut or something?
Loganberry
> Loganberry -
>
> <<Really? Well, I admit to never having heard of him before a
> quick Google when he first came up. Still, I'll listen to most
> things. The set of those I'll listen to *twice* is rather
> smaller.>>
>
> Haha, no worries. NMA are not exactly a mainstream band. What's
> your usual type of music?
As old and unfashionable as possible - The Kinks, Fleetwood Mac, etc.
As a general rule, anything past about 1980 is too modern. I like
some of the Britpop stuff, but then that *sounds* like it's 30+ years
old.
I'm epileptic, so couldn't go clubbing even if I didn't hate the idea
anyway - anything with strobe lights or extreme volume is out.
(Though for some reason 20 racing car engines ten feet away don't
affect me - phew!)
> <<Ahem. Sorry to yabber on: I can be a bit of a bore on the
> subject of motorsport, I'm afraid.>>
>
> No worries. My friends get very tired of my dropping everything
> and staring when I see a good-looking muscle car.
Heh. Not really into those - we're not renowned for that type of car
in this country. When petrol is the equivalent of $5 a gallon, cars
that do 10mpg aren't terribly popular... =;)
Rabbitswift
> Rabbitswift -
>
> Nice to meet you...
>
> << Erf, well... I must admit that I'm quite unfamiliar with a lot of that,
> though I
> assume that quite a few of the things listed were bands yes? But one
thing
> did catch my interest... I know, I'm being nosy, and probably showing my
> ignorance to boot...
>
> 1. new model army-- Oliver Cromwell? Or something else?>>
>
> Several are bands, a few are movies, a few are cars. NMA is, as I said in
> another reply, a band. And I'll say again that they go with a VERY high
> recommendation.
>
can't find 'em 'round here tho', it'd be nice to try out some new stuff for a
change.
> << Good luck with that. I had a fleeting interest in filmmaking myself
thanks
> to a class I took when I was in high school. It didn't quite pan out but it's
> an interesting field to go into. And good filmmakers are hard to find these
> days.>>
>
> Thanks. Luckily for me, my chosen parts of the field are easy to get
into...
> specifically, my favorite job has been key electrician, and I also enjoy
> gripwork. I don't have aspirations of directing a major picture, much less
> acting in one, although I'm not a bad director. Actually, a whole lot of
jobs
> on a set are fun as hell. I'm really wanting to learn my way around a
camera so
> I can be a DP (director of photography). My class happens to have an
awesome DP
> in it; I've worked with him several times. He's got the perfect
temperament for
> it, above and beyond having a good aesthetic eye - he doesn't insist on
getting
> his way all the time, but he remembers things and he's not at all afraid to
> offer his opinion. Very good to work with.
>
Communications major for all of one year and I managed to get into a
couple of classes that focused on camera work. I did a lot more radio work
though since my advisor at the time really pushed me in that direction. And
since the classes were interesting, of course. In the end I wound up
switching to history, but I can certainly appreciate that field.
> << It's been a while since I did anything in Dragonlance but those are
the
> things that tended to explode and whatnot at inconvieniant times, yes?
> Quite interestings critters I thought. Kicked my tail but square once,
too.>>
>
> Sort of. They're basically large dragon anthros whose bodies were
designed to
> be Very Unpleasant for the enemy when they died. Bozaks (bronzes)
exploded,
> Baaz (brass) turned to stone, Sivaks (silver) took on the likeness of the
> person who killed them, and Auraks (gold) melted into acid.
>
all they did since it's been ages since I ran into one. It's been ages since I
did anything in Dragonlance really since I got big into Planescape there for
a while and then my group kinda spintered after 3rd edtion hit so we don't
play nearly as much as we used to. Ah well.
They should bring back Dark Sun damn it! I loved that place.
> <<Yotes are nice. But what kind of dragon's a Krros?>>
>
> Basically a midsized, quadrupedal furry thing. I thought I linked to a
sketch?
>
;)
> << Yeah, well, that's what happens when people start meddling with
things
> trying to fit them to their own plans. I've known a few very bright cows,
> personally.>>
>
> I've got a grudge against the cows around here. They're all completely
> worthless, and there's more of them than people. Plus they moo all night.
I
> don't listen to loud music JUST because I enjoy it.
>
unfamiliar surroundings tend to be noisier than those who're comfortable
where they are. Or they could just be a different breed than the ones I'm
familiar with. This would be particularly true if they're milk cows, but I mostly
know the habits of Limousines. {cows!}
Rabbitswift
@yahoo.co.ukdrivel> wrote:
> Rabbitswift <Rabbi...@Hotmail.com> wrote here on 20 May 2003:
>
> <snip>
> > I've always been fascinated by the Granddaddy Longlegs. One of the
> > most highly poisonous spiders in the U.S. so I've heard, but with
> > jaws too weak to pierce human flesh.
>
> Yeah, I've heard about those (possibly from you!) - but what happens if
> you have a cut or something?
>
my hands before-cuts and all {I was always getting into one scrape or
another as a kit.}-and they don't even seem interested in people except as
the occasional climbing post. We're not food or a date or an enemy, we're
just walking trees to them.
Starling
delveco...@aol.compression (Delve) writes:
> 5. Where do you live?
> Cow Town, Liberalstan
Oh my, you have obviously never lived in Ohio. o.o
> 6. What are your interests/hobbies?
> Ouf. Cos I'm too lazy to retype it, here's what's on my journal
> list:
[...]
What's with all the drugs? I mean, is it just for kicks, or are you
really into that stuff? Heh... might be on drugs myself soon if my
therapist gets her way. c.c;; At any rate, as bad as they are, it
might be safer not to tell.
> 7. What do you do for a living?
> I'm a bum. However, I'm a filmmaker. Never directed anything that made it to
> post (which was NOT my fault, I'm working on it) but I've worked on several
> minors
Care to tell us about any of them? What kind of stories are they
about?
> 8. How would you describe your personality?
> I will say that I have a minor neurosis regarding honesty. I try
> to be truthful as much as I can (one of the main reasons I have few friends),
> but since no one's perfect and there ARE times I don't want to take a fall or
> don't think someone really wants to hear a truth that'll hurt, I'll
> lie. Hence, I see myself as a liar when most people would say I'm
> one of the most blindingly honest people on the planet. ::blank
> shrug::
Whoo, I know how you feel. Had to have lying mentally beaten into
me. Not having strong opinions about most people, it hasn't hurt me
too much. Lying is one of the scariest things in the world; it will
almost always come back to haunt you. I don't know about karma or
whatnot, but I find it far easier to backpedal from a half-truth or
just keep silent than to lie in an attempt to slap a band-aid on a
deep wound.
> Plus, even if I were inclined to be skeptical about other sorts of things, I
> once accidentally caused a small explosion while practicing
> something a dragon
> taught me. That's hard to ignore.
Neat. Wish I could have seen that!
> I really don't know. I think, however, I'd either be 'Cet, or I'd return to
> what I looked like as a Krros... URLs below for the curious.
Krros... curious... krrious?
> http://images.deviantart.com/large/indyart/anthro/A_Literal_Interpretation.jpg
> http://solfire.com/yna/artists/Narcosynthesis/repose.jpg
A little sketchy, good proportions. repose.jpg looks so wistful...
> 38. How does your furriness influence your lifestyle, personality, appearance,
> emotions or thoughts?
> Haha. How doesn't it? I'm a growling, howling, pouncing, roleplaying, intensely
> imaginitive shifter with infinite dreams.
Did you say /roleplaying/? 8) Like, group improv and story telling,
or just some hack and slash rules lawyering? (I'm not biased, really...)
> 51. Do you have a greater-than-average empathy with animals?
> I wouldn't call it empathy. I pay attention to them as sentient, intelligent
> individuals, and hence I understand and communicate with them. I
> suppose being an empath helps too, but it's not necessary at all.
It does seem like animals are more willing to deal with people who see
things on the same level as them. Sometimes it turns to dominance
issues though. At any rate, I wouldn't agree that animals are
intelligent, and I dare you to define sentience, but really does it
matter so much? I like animals even if they're dumb and
sentient...less.
> 52. Do you believe that animals have ESP?
> Why would they need it?
Bats would have an awfully hard time flying without it. ^.-
> 56. Do you think it is acceptable to hunt animals for sport?
> It's not a sport and it's no feat, unless you and Simba are in an arena with
> open betting and you're armed with a knife (for fairness, to equate
> claws)
*raises an eyebrow* And putting a knife-less human and a declawed
lion in the arena would be fair? Fairness isn't the problem, only
person we can fight fairly is our clone. What I see as the problem is
one of balance: if one species starts "winning" in the battle for
survival, then everything starts dying. The food web. Ecology. That
sort of thing.
> 57. What are your favourite animal/furry websites?
> YNA. Lioncrusher's Domain is useful.
*nods* Lioncrusher's is really awesome.
> 62. What do you like the most/least about alt.lifestyle.furry?
> I don't like biting my tongue on vulgarity, and I like to argue, so
> the ban on that isn't fun, but eh, I'll deal. Most? The variety I
> guess. Getting a toehold into the fur community, of which I'm not a
> member.
The ban doesn't seem to stop Dave. ;) Arguing on newsgroups in
general is difficult, since there is always someone trolling for
flames, and without experience you can never be quite sure whether
you're helping or hurting. Good advice, if your pulse rate is above
normal, don't send the message until you stomp around for 10 minutes.
Really, you can say what ever you want as long as it doesn't hurt
anyone. Or as in the Wiccan Rede you so lithely misquoted, "An' it
harm none, do as thou wilt." (Do as "you will" in a book I read on
wicca... dunno which is more accurate, they mean the same.)
What most people don't realize about the Rede is that it doesn't say
you can't harm things. It just says that of the few things that
aren't harmful, you can do no wrong. There are things okay to do that
can hurt (like pulling out splinters) but you have to use another rule
or ethic to see whether or not it's something that should be done.
> Sexuality/Relationships
>
> 64. Are you straight, gay or bisexual? [if you want to be more precise you can
> specify your answer on a scale ranging from 0 (strictly heterosexual) to 9
> (strictly homosexual).]
> I'm asexual. Not really interested.
Me too! ^.^ That makes like, 3 people I know. At any rate, have you
seen this?
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~lb122098/fourthsexuality.html
's good advice.
> I'd do it if I had a mate who wanted to,
> but for myself I couldn't really care less. Just got no libido of which to
> speak. Therefore this whole section is kind of irrelevant.
Hey! I at least /tried/ to answer it. ^.^
Starling
Who has a furvey on the website below, if you're krrious.
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Delve
<<I take it you haven't had your surgery yet? Are you planning it soon? Or am I
completely wrong.>>
I actually dunno when I'm gonna do it. I haven't found out what the costs are
because quite frankly I'm a bit afraid to find out. I haven't found an
insurance policy that thinks of this shit as anything but cosmetic, so I have
eight-digit figures dancing around in my head. Eh. Who knows. Good thing I'm
not one of those poor bastards who literally can't stand the mismatch.. I'm
just vaguely annoyed by it. I can deal until it gets fixed.
<<That's all? :-)>>
Nah, that's just the stuff I thought of when filling the thing out. There's a
lot more. Having no social life gives me lots of time to play.
<<Sorry. We've been meaning to get that fixed.>>
Haha. Why not just go over to another NG? They've got it in spades.
<<I'm almost afraid of what direction you would like to go there.>>
ph33r the colorful invective. ph33r it. I'd give you examples, but they're just
not as funny out of context. I'll have to wait for a flame war to break out
over something trivial (assuming that happens here).
<<Oh, well, a lot of snipping, but I'm sure you wouldn't want to read a comment
on everything ( I wouldn't). *hugs again* and hope you have fun.>>
Man, I've gotten more hugs since posting here than I have in the last three
years, probably more than that. Crazy. And so far, I am, yes. Heh. Seeja.
Delve
<<> http://delve.deviantart.com
Geigeresque >>
I've gotten that before, yes. Funny thing is that the first time someone said
it, I said 'Who?' Only vaguely familiar with the guy even now. Weird how that
happens.
Delve
<<PEople take drugs because the state is not doing it's duty to make a
workers paradise.
IF they were to increase taxes on the rich, massively incsrase the
portfoloio and resreoues of the welfare state and follow democratic
socalist polocies, you wouldn't want to take drugs since you'd have no
need too.>>
Do you have empirical evidence of this?
<<many drugs are bad, they need to be banned for your own good.>>
Yes, because adults should not be allowed to make their own choices about what
they put into their bodies, because they just might do something that may be
harmful. That's the kind of logic that's made an actual legal case for banning
Oreos in California.
<<They only one really good album: Powerslave, Although Piece of mind
and Number of the beast did rock quite a bit as well. (mainly for "the
Trooper, Run to the Hills and Hallowed be Thy name, Also Rhyme of the
ancient mariner)>>
Pffft. You're insane. I can understand if you're not a fan, but they've only
written one song that was really *bad*.
<<Children of Bodem's cover of Several Iron maiden songs and the ramones
somebody put something in my drink seriously rock, Since they are
like, ohhh, howling death metal.>>
COB are a funny band. I like 'em passingly. They're one of those bands that are
good, and I enjoy 'em when I actually sit down and listen, but for some odd
reason, I'm never specifically in the mood to hear COB. No clue why. I gotta
find that Ramones cover though, haha. That's almost as funny as Ozzy Osbourne
and Dweezil Zappa doing a split cover of Stayin' Alive.
<<"A Star Guarded Coronation"
Has possibly some of the most bizarre and wordy lyrics I've ever
heard.
His Singing voice sucks a bit, but it's good enough to add character
rather than detract. >>
I promise you, that man is a tripper. He writes his albums on acid in the
middle of the Swedish wilderness. Completely bonkers but I like the guy. No one
else could get away with a song called 'A Macroscopical Microcosm'. Not to
mention 'I intersect the shining potato'. I like his voice though, except that
for years he seemed to forget he had a high range. I was quite pleased when he
started actually using his full voice.
<<Where is the emprical evidence for this?>>
Actually, there probably would have been some, if anyone had had a video or
sound recording device on at the appropriate moment.
<<Are you sure it's simply not wishful thinking, since after all
Don;t' yoiu think if psychic powers really existed, We'd know by now?>>
I wouldn't call it a psychic power, myself, just manipulation of an ambient
energy source that's relatively easy to shove around. Besides, I strongly
suspect that the only reason these concepts aren't already part of mainstream
science is that people like you refuse to even consider the possibility that it
might be worth checking out before clucking, 'Improbable!' Remember when the
earth was flat? I bet you, the scientists of the day were all standing around
saying, 'Don't you think if the earth was round, we'd know by now?'
<<hmmm...>>
Dude, you try having something you're playing with detonate violently without
warning. Personally, when I've discovered that doing something causes things to
uncontrollably explode, I try to avoid doing it again, seeing as I'd probably
not particularly violent amputation.
<<Dragonlance is one of the worst crimes against paper I have ever read!
It's like reading a transcript of a second rate PnP munchkins.
campeign>>
That's why it's fun. Did you actually pick up something with TSR on it and
expect anything else?
<<Does he like Bathory?
I like some of their stuff, But apparantly, Quorthorn Sends you nasty
e-mails if you reveiw his stuff badly>>
Who doesn't? He's more of an Agalloch man though.
Hahaha, Quorthon isn't exactly fully in touch with reality, so I wouldn't
worry.
<<"Wizardry 8" featured Antrhomorphic Tigers and wolves, and lizard men
and dragons as player charecters.>>
Ahh. I wouldn't know this.
<<hmm, Why do you have a human brain and behave in human behavioural
paradigms then?>>
I have a human brain because I currently have a human body. In terms of my
self-image and identity, however, I'm not human. It's not a difficult concept.
As for behaviors, I use a lot of nonhuman behaviors as well, but to answer the
question, it's easier to use your language than to try and teach you mine.
<<Why do people need it in that case?
Since people are animals?>>
I dunno. As I said before, I don't like the term 'ESP'.
<<Don't worry, I never have. And I like to argue too!>>
I've noticed. How much of what you say is your real opinion and how much is a
facade for the fun of it? You remind me of 55, except with him there was never
a question.
<<You'll probably grow out of it though. HTH.>>
Doubtful. I see a good, stiff argument as the best possible way to keep my wit
sharp, and to improve it. Plus, you learn interesting things sometimes.
Delve
<<Oh my, you have obviously never lived in Ohio. o.o>>
Oh no, that's only partially a reference to the local farm animal population.
The town is literally named 'cow town' - Vacaville. It just happens to be a
very accurate name.
<<What's with all the drugs? I mean, is it just for kicks, or are you
really into that stuff? >>
There's a lot to it, actually. First of all I'm fascinated by anything
pertaining to psychology and the psychological effects of drugs are no
exception. I also happen to be writing more than one screenplay that include
drugs to greater or lesser extents, and when I decided to do the first one
(Stained), I figured if I was gonna write it I should damn well know what I'm
talking about. Third, the attitude about drugs in general, in the U.S. and a
lot of places in the world, is one of the few political subjects that really
pisses me off. Not only do I have a very Libertarian habit of thinking that
what an adult does with their own life is their own damn business, but the
outrages that go on directly as a result of the War on (some) Drugs make me
want to climb a clocktower with an AK-47. People dragged in for nonviolent
marijuana possession get THREE TIMES the prison sentence a *CONVICTED RAPIST*
gets? That's fucking disgusting. And the shit that chronic pain patients go
through because of widespread hysteria regarding opioids (you know, the only
truly effective painkillers with no known or observed long-term side effects,
remember when we acknowledged that?) is just as bad. People are suffering
astonishing degrees of pain every moment of their LIVES and they're told to
shut up and deal with it or given bullshit useless crap. I have first-hand
experience with that. My mother is a chronic pain patient and what do they
fucking give her? T4s. Codeine. You know, so low-power she has to take it
several times a day and it doesn't even take care of the pain completely?
Loaded with acetaminophen, a chemical that's highly toxic to both stomach and
liver - and she already HAS IBS?
Yes, I feel strongly about this, how could you tell? Heh.
But I also have a general need to understand things, and while I was doing my
research for Stained I talked to a lot of users and addicts, read a lot of
pharmacology, trip reports et cetera, and I realised one day that no matter how
many times I heard it all described, I couldn't imagine it at all. I just got a
very vague list of ideas, but nothing even resembling what this or that might
really be like. Because I can usually picture anything explained to me with
relative ease, this frustrated me.
So, after a lot of deliberation, weighing of consequences and whatnot, I
started chipping (using infrequently and/or on a sporadic basis, rather than
daily). I still do. I'm not exactly a frequent flier (haha) though. According
to my calendar, which is accurate, I've done something four days out of this
month. Actually, I had a burst of comparatively high activity starting around
the end of last month that hung on until the fifth of this motnh or so.
Usually, I leave a gap of two weeks, one week at absolute minimum, between
using any one thing in particular, for several reasons but mostly just to help
keep my tolerance in check (and because I spent a long time messing with
dosages, for a couple things it's still ridiculous). It's not exactly a huge
thing, although it does tend to have an effect on things... for example, due to
having been on a run (amphetamines), I made several ungodly long posts
yesterday x.x Amps are insanely useful in many ways, but if you forget to pay
attention to yourself they run away with you in certain activities, including
typing.
So, yeah. Lots of things. And being a user myself is really both the most
recent and the least important part to me, which is somewhat odd now that I
think about it. Oh well. I usually don't talk about it in detail outside ADH,
because frankly, people don't listen, but I don't make a secret of it either
for the most part. Come to think of it, I'm way more openly a druggie than I am
a furry. That's a weird thought.
<<Care to tell us about any of them? What kind of stories are they
about?>>
The first one we did.. uh, doesn't bear mentioning. Most of us have steadfastly
pretended we weren't involved, except the poor people who acted in it. It was a
script the film teacher Mr. Carillo typed up in like 45 minutes. It was
seriously awful. Basically had to do with this psycho guy obsessed with a
chick. I'll grant that it was quite fun to make (and pretty funny to watch). I
was key electrician.
Trapt (originally spelled Trapped, but we worked a couple really long days and
someone got creative with the slate) was a pretty generic script concept but it
was a much better movie than the first one (which was The Thing That Should Not
Be). Four kids showed up for school, running because the bell had rung and they
were late. They go into their classroom to discover it empty. Looking out a
window, one of them notices the building is suddenly empty. They try to open
the door and can't get out. Chaos ensues, lots of character conflict et cetera.
One by one they vanish until only one girl is left. Then she wakes up and
discovers she was sleeping in class. The ending is pretty trippy, not the usual
'Oh! It was just a dream, hur-hur-HUH!' thing. Not something I mind being
associated with. I did book.
I acted in one called, for lack of a better title, 'Run'. I played a Mafia
courier being tailed by an undercover cop. In the first scene I walk into a
minimart with an unidentified black carrying case of some sort. I set it on the
counter and wander to the back to get a drink. A package carrier sees the thing
sitting on the counter, assumes he left it there, takes it, and leaves. While
I'm gone, the cop goes in after me, assuming I'm carrying something important
for my boss. He grabs me as I'm about to leave and hauls me around a bit (I had
to literally fall over for this. I could've snapped this kid in half by
sneezing. He's not enitrely a lightweight, but just about everyone who saw this
and knows me said 'No WAY.') He demands the package, and I, confused, start to
indicate the counter. It's gone. We run out the door after the package guy
(fighting each other to get through first... I couldn't quelsh my predator grin
in every scene like that). Insert car chases and shit. I don't drive, but for
this film, I had to chase a minivan and a Honda Civic in a Toyota Landcruiser.
I will never drive an SUV again. Eventually the cop pulls the package delivery
guy over. I jump into the back after my stuff, but the cop gets it first. I
chase him to his car, but he gets there first (well, actually, he didn't. That
was the hardest acting I had to do - chase things and not catch them. I did get
him the first time before I remembered he was supposed to escape.) and peels
off. I drag my hand across my face in frustration. Elsewhere, he pulls to a
stop and grins like a guy who's just made the biggest career move of his life.
He opens the carrying case, expecting some huge bust. It's a road kit. Back in
the parking lot, I stand looking after his car, then shrug dismissively, walk
back to my car (giving the deeply confused package guy a menacing smirk for no
good reason), and hop in to leave. End film. This one was fun as hell, despite
having to learn to drive in five minutes. I don't particularly enjoy acting,
but I like the director. He's a DP, really.
I did my damndest to work on my buddy Tristan's film, except that there was
this strange thing where all the crew would show up, but the actors would all
have vanished into the mists of time, never to be seen again. Eventually he
threw up his arms, decided the script he was using was never to be, and wrote a
new one. Then forgot to tell me what days he was shooting. Grr. So much for
that. I was the gaffer.
There's other stuff I've chipped in on but you get the idea. The guy who did
Run is working on something new and I'm gonna be helping on that, too.
Tristan's working on something but he didn't ask me to help for one reason or
another. ::shrug::
<<Whoo, I know how you feel. Had to have lying mentally beaten into
me. Not having strong opinions about most people, it hasn't hurt me
too much. Lying is one of the scariest things in the world; it will
almost always come back to haunt you. I don't know about karma or
whatnot, but I find it far easier to backpedal from a half-truth or
just keep silent than to lie in an attempt to slap a band-aid on a
deep wound.>>
It really depends. The only lies I really tell are the ones that won't come
back and get me because they're either very minor ('Yes, I did start my
Algebra') or they're lies by ommission that I plan to correct after a change in
circumstances (such as my mother not having a clue that I scratch my face when
I'm stoned out of my mind, but I'm going to tell her I'm a user after I move
out). I refuse to compromise myself more than I absolutely have to.
<<Neat. Wish I could have seen that!>>
Wasn't much to see actually, just an instantaneous white flash. I've seen
lightning last longer. The noise was insane though.
<<Krros... curious... krrious?>>
That's the closest I can get to a Romanization of what we called ourselves.
It's a bitch to pronounce with human equipment too.
<<A little sketchy, good proportions. repose.jpg looks so wistful...>>
Yeah, I do sketchy. I like roughness. Wistful? Weird, that's just sort of a
nap.
<<Did you say /roleplaying/? 8) Like, group improv and story telling,
or just some hack and slash rules lawyering? (I'm not biased, really...)>>
Anything I damn well feel like doing. Although I absolutely suck at rules
lawyering because frankly, I couldn't give a damn about the rules. I always
have to be the game master, and I'm too lazy to check the book every time I
need a mechanic for something. I use only systems I absolutely need and make
the rest up as I go. Including plot and characters. I prefer actual roleplaying
to rollplaying, but I've run more than one 'story' that was set around a
fighting tournament or something, just because that's what we felt like doing.
Those get *funny* (such as when I ran a furry BESM campaign and one guy, who
was playing a decidedly noncombative bat, got entered in the tournament and
would've been killed instantly except that he flew down and grabbed the guy,
then threw him into the lava pit. Yes, lava pit. Long story.) The only time it
starts getting *really* insane is when we play into the night. You know what
I'm talking about.
<<It does seem like animals are more willing to deal with people who see
things on the same level as them. Sometimes it turns to dominance
issues though. At any rate, I wouldn't agree that animals are
intelligent, and I dare you to define sentience, but really does it
matter so much? I like animals even if they're dumb and
sentient...less.>>
Frankly, most animals I know are smarter than most humans. They simply don't
behave the way you'd expect a human to and therefore seem stupider. I also know
a lot of stupid animals, but that's another matter. No different from this
species.
And while I don't want to bother with a formal definition, usually if it does
things like lecture me on philosophy or give me long-suffering looks whenever I
start talking to 'the box' (portable phone) again, I figure it's probably
sentient. Reptiles don't use a verbal language, but they have a *lot* more
capacity for expression than they're given credit for. It's not hard, either,
to understand what they're saying if you spend real time watching and learning.
The trick is getting them to bother talking to you.
<<Bats would have an awfully hard time flying without it. ^.->>
Pfft! That's not extrasensory, it's audial.
<< And putting a knife-less human and a declawed
lion in the arena would be fair? >>
Well, yes and no. That's probably gonna be a pretty pissy lion right there.
<<Fairness isn't the problem, only
person we can fight fairly is our clone. What I see as the problem is
one of balance: if one species starts "winning" in the battle for
survival, then everything starts dying. The food web. Ecology. That
sort of thing.>>
No it's not, but my point was more that pointing a stick at some other life
form and making it not move anymore does not make your testicles larger, which
is a delusion many people seem to suffer from. I understand balance, but I
think it's a bit late for the human species on a whole to get back into it.
Fortunately, it's a temporary problem. As George Carlin said, "The planet isn't
going anywhere - we are!"
<<The ban doesn't seem to stop Dave. ;) Arguing on newsgroups in
general is difficult, since there is always someone trolling for
flames, and without experience you can never be quite sure whether
you're helping or hurting. Good advice, if your pulse rate is above
normal, don't send the message until you stomp around for 10 minutes.>>
I love to argue. I don't really care if the person's trolling or not..
actually, it's almost better if I can outargue a troll, because they ought to
have the experience to put up a good fight. I also love ad hominem. It's all a
mental equivalent of sparring for me. I'm rarely involved emotionally, outside
enjoying the challenge (or, occasionally, the rewarding feeling of punishing
someone who's asking for it). I actually often insult people as an expression
of affection. Just one of my quirks I guess.
<<Really, you can say what ever you want as long as it doesn't hurt
anyone. Or as in the Wiccan Rede you so lithely misquoted, "An' it
harm none, do as thou wilt." (Do as "you will" in a book I read on
wicca... dunno which is more accurate, they mean the same.)>>
Honestly, while most of the time I don't intend to do actual damage, if someone
is asking for it I do go in to ruin their day. Usually, I only do that to make
a very lasting point, though.
The annoying part is that the posts I consider my most vicious are considered
the funniest by onlookers. Apparently, I'm extremely funny when I get pissed
off for no apparent reason.
Delve
Starling -
<<Me too! ^.^ That makes like, 3 people I know. At any rate, have you
seen this?>>
Whee, probably the first I've run into, not counting my packmate Nik. He's gay,
but currently he's sitting with me on the asexuality bench. Didn't tell me why
but I suspect he's still burned about what happened with his last relationship
and doesn't want to have anything to do with the concept at all. Ah well.
<<http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~lb122098/fourthsexuality.html
's good advice.>>
No, I had not seen that. Amusing though. Honestly I've never thought about it
that much. I DID have a sex drive, right around puberty. Then a year or so went
by and it kind of shrivelled up and died. I have no idea why. Nothing changed,
but abruptly, I had no interest in anything and it's never come back. Every now
again I look back at what having it was like. Then I fucking celebrate because
I don't. That sucked.
<<Hey! I at least /tried/ to answer it. ^.^>>
I could ask one of my characters, cos at least they live in my head, but the
only two who're volunteering worry me.
Delve
<<As old and unfashionable as possible - The Kinks, Fleetwood Mac, etc.
As a general rule, anything past about 1980 is too modern. I like
some of the Britpop stuff, but then that *sounds* like it's 30+ years
old.>>
Hmm. You might like them and you might not. They're a folk punk band. WAY heavy
Celtic influence. Not stereotypically so like Flogging Molly and whatnot, but a
genuine musical inclination. Although I'd say they're worth listening to for
Justin's lyrics alone, much less the rest - and I usually don't pay attention
to lyrics at all. It's good stuff.
<<I'm epileptic, so couldn't go clubbing even if I didn't hate the idea
anyway - anything with strobe lights or extreme volume is out.
(Though for some reason 20 racing car engines ten feet away don't
affect me - phew!)>>
Feh, I don't understand the 'club' concept. I like to go to metal shows, but
then I'm a metalhead. It's kind of a tribal gathering, yanno? I also love live
music in general. I'll listen to damn near ANYTHING if it's played live.
<<Heh. Not really into those - we're not renowned for that type of car
in this country. When petrol is the equivalent of $5 a gallon, cars
that do 10mpg aren't terribly popular... =;)>>
Haha, I can imagine. I mostly gravitate that way because they're about the only
cars I don't find at least boring, if not downright ugly. I will never
understand why anyone would want to drive something that looks like an egg with
wheels.
Delve
<<Yeah, I read your reply to Loganberry-after I posted of course. I'll see if I
can't find 'em 'round here tho', it'd be nice to try out some new stuff for a
change.>>
Good luck. You probably won't find any though. Your best bet is probably
half.com or eBay.
<< *Nods* Ah, I see. I did some of that in college myself. I had a
Communications major for all of one year and I managed to get into a
couple of classes that focused on camera work. I did a lot more radio work
though since my advisor at the time really pushed me in that direction. And
since the classes were interesting, of course. In the end I wound up
switching to history, but I can certainly appreciate that field.>>
Yeah, this is good shit. I didn't want to do it at first. Weirdly enough, the
only reason I'm in it now is that my mother noticed the school offered a
screenwriting course and insisted I take it because 'I write'. nevermind that I
almost never actually watch movies, but oh well. To take it I also had to take
Film Appreciation, so I did. Next semester I took Screenwriting II, and, just
for the hell of it, Film I. Then Film II and Editing. Et cetera. Now I'm kind
of caught.
<< Yup, those are the ones I was thinking of. I just couldn't remember what
all they did since it's been ages since I ran into one. It's been ages since I
did anything in Dragonlance really since I got big into Planescape there for
a while and then my group kinda spintered after 3rd edtion hit so we don't
play nearly as much as we used to. Ah well.
They should bring back Dark Sun damn it! I loved that place.>>
I never actually ran games in an established AD&D setting for some weird
reason. I always just made shit up. I've often wondered if I missed anything.
<< You did, I'm blind. Plus I hadn't reached my "stupid questions" quota yet.
;)>>
Haha, okay. I never know, I have CRS.
<< Hmm. D'you live near a stockyards or something? Cows who're in
unfamiliar surroundings tend to be noisier than those who're comfortable
where they are. Or they could just be a different breed than the ones I'm
familiar with. This would be particularly true if they're milk cows, but I
mostly
know the habits of Limousines. {cows!}>>
No, I just live in a place that's allegedly California but looks a lot more
like the Midwest with hills to me. There's a lot of large fields with herds of
cows pastured in them. No one ever comes and does anything with them that I've
ever seen, they just kind of wander around.
Ugh. They're making noise now. I wish I could throw a half-mile.
Wolfie
> directly as a result of the War on (some) Drugs make me want to
> climb a clocktower with an AK-47. People dragged in for
> nonviolent marijuana possession get THREE TIMES the prison
> sentence a *CONVICTED RAPIST* gets? That's fucking disgusting.
Yes it is. One guy I heard of got 30 years for marijuana possession
but some rapist guy got 18 MONTHS. MONTHS!!!! In 18 months, he's just
goig to be raping people again!!! This is one case that I'm with
those middle east countries. You rape, you loose your ability to
rape.
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> <<many drugs are bad, they need to be banned for your own
> good.>>
>
> Yes, because adults should not be allowed to make their own
> choices about what they put into their bodies, because they just
> might do something that may be harmful. That's the kind of logic
> that's made an actual legal case for banning Oreos in
> California.
>
Well they won't be banned! There's just going to be warnings on
fattening foods warning you that consumpton will cause obesity! I
have no clue when these labels are comming out, but it was the latest
I heard about this
Delve
<<Well they won't be banned! There's just going to be warnings on
fattening foods warning you that consumpton will cause obesity! I
have no clue when these labels are comming out, but it was the latest
I heard about this>>
The fact that it even *happened* pisses me off. What in the name of fuck ever
happened to personal responsibility, not to mention common sense? O NO!!
Fattening cookies! Why didn't they *tell* me cookies were fattening? It's not
like 90% of all cookies are fattening, such that cookie makers go out of their
way to advertise the ones that AREN'T, after all!
I dunno. I'm a fuckup in a lot of ways, but at least I know damn well who's
responsible for that. And it's not Nabisco.
Wolfie
> Wolfie -
>
> <<Well they won't be banned! There's just going to be warnings
> on fattening foods warning you that consumpton will cause
> obesity! I have no clue when these labels are comming out, but
> it was the latest I heard about this>>
>
> The fact that it even *happened* pisses me off. What in the name
> of fuck ever happened to personal responsibility, not to mention
> common sense? O NO!! Fattening cookies! Why didn't they *tell*
> me cookies were fattening? It's not like 90% of all cookies are
> fattening, such that cookie makers go out of their way to
> advertise the ones that AREN'T, after all!
WEll evidently these people want all natural cookies with no fat.
These people are from the duh tree. And, btw, they DID tell you the
cookies were fattening. Thats why theres a nutrition label on the
back saying Fat XX g XX%. Next claim will be that they can't read the
labels 'cause they're illiterate!
> I dunno. I'm a fuckup in a lot of ways, but at least I know damn
> well who's responsible for that. And it's not Nabisco.
What? You mean they didn't come to your house and hold a gun to your
head and say "EAT IT OR DIE"?
Delve
<<WEll evidently these people want all natural cookies with no fat.
These people are from the duh tree.>>
I think this may be the only time I've advocated cutting down a tree, yanking
up the roots, and setting the remains on fire. But let's do that now, along
with everything that came off it.
<< And, btw, they DID tell you the
cookies were fattening. Thats why theres a nutrition label on the
back saying Fat XX g XX%. Next claim will be that they can't read the
labels 'cause they're illiterate!>>
Oh, oh no, they won't do that. That would involve admitting that they're
actually hampered in some way by their own ability and not completely innocent
victims.
<<What? You mean they didn't come to your house and hold a gun to your
head and say "EAT IT OR DIE"?>>
Nah, that's usually those bastards from Sara Lee. I'm onto them though. Next
time they show up they're getting a hellhive to the face. NUCLEAR BEE
ARMAGEDDON!!
Rabbitswift
> Rabbitswift -
>
> <<Yeah, I read your reply to Loganberry-after I posted of course. I'll see if
I
>
> can't find 'em 'round here tho', it'd be nice to try out some new stuff for a
> change.>>
>
> Good luck. You probably won't find any though. Your best bet is
probably
> half.com or eBay.
>
than half of what I listen to is imported. I have occasionally found some
stuff in the local music stores, tho'. Thanks.
> << *Nods* Ah, I see. I did some of that in college myself. I had a
> Communications major for all of one year and I managed to get into a
> couple of classes that focused on camera work. I did a lot more radio
work
> though since my advisor at the time really pushed me in that direction.
And
> since the classes were interesting, of course. In the end I wound up
> switching to history, but I can certainly appreciate that field.>>
>
> Yeah, this is good shit. I didn't want to do it at first. Weirdly enough, the
> only reason I'm in it now is that my mother noticed the school offered a
> screenwriting course and insisted I take it because 'I write'. nevermind
that I
> almost never actually watch movies, but oh well. To take it I also had to
take
> Film Appreciation, so I did. Next semester I took Screenwriting II, and,
just
> for the hell of it, Film I. Then Film II and Editing. Et cetera. Now I'm kind
> of caught.
>
before college and I just took World History 102 because it was required
for all students. I just happened to get the best history professor on
campus, and later when I switched majors I wound up getting her as my
advisor which helped a lot. I still sometimes think that it would have been
fun to have gone into communications, but that's neither here nor there.
> << Yup, those are the ones I was thinking of. I just couldn't remember
what
> all they did since it's been ages since I ran into one. It's been ages since
I
> did anything in Dragonlance really since I got big into Planescape there
for
> a while and then my group kinda spintered after 3rd edtion hit so we
don't
> play nearly as much as we used to. Ah well.
> They should bring back Dark Sun damn it! I loved that place.>>
>
> I never actually ran games in an established AD&D setting for some
weird
> reason. I always just made shit up. I've often wondered if I missed
anything.
>
ourselves and outside of Planescapes and Dark Sun I found the other
settings to be rather dull or, in the case of Ravenloft, to be rather idiotic.
The only reason we ever played in any campaign world is because my
D.M. owns about a metric ton of pre-written adventures.
> << You did, I'm blind. Plus I hadn't reached my "stupid questions" quota
yet.
> ;)>>
>
> Haha, okay. I never know, I have CRS.
>
> << Hmm. D'you live near a stockyards or something? Cows who're in
> unfamiliar surroundings tend to be noisier than those who're comfortable
> where they are. Or they could just be a different breed than the ones I'm
> familiar with. This would be particularly true if they're milk cows, but I
> mostly
> know the habits of Limousines. {cows!}>>
>
> No, I just live in a place that's allegedly California but looks a lot more
> like the Midwest with hills to me. There's a lot of large fields with herds of
> cows pastured in them. No one ever comes and does anything with
them that I've
> ever seen, they just kind of wander around.
>
of their minds. We always tried to let them have the run of different
pastures ever few days so they could have a change of scenery. Until our
fences got old then we just let them have the run of the place, within
reason. Then again we only had about thirty head at most so they were
easier to keep up with than larger herds.
Rabbitswift
<wolfie_the...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Delve wrote in news:20030521084429.19410.00000072@mb-
m10.aol.com:
>
> > Wolfie -
> >
> > <<Well they won't be banned! There's just going to be warnings
> > on fattening foods warning you that consumpton will cause
> > obesity! I have no clue when these labels are comming out, but
> > it was the latest I heard about this>>
> >
> > The fact that it even *happened* pisses me off. What in the name
> > of fuck ever happened to personal responsibility, not to mention
> > common sense? O NO!! Fattening cookies! Why didn't they *tell*
> > me cookies were fattening? It's not like 90% of all cookies are
> > fattening, such that cookie makers go out of their way to
> > advertise the ones that AREN'T, after all!
>
> WEll evidently these people want all natural cookies with no fat.
> These people are from the duh tree. And, btw, they DID tell you the
> cookies were fattening. Thats why theres a nutrition label on the
> back saying Fat XX g XX%. Next claim will be that they can't read the
> labels 'cause they're illiterate!
>
are made with /real/ ingredients. Ya know, /real/ butter-not that margarine
crap-, real sugar, real chocolate. Food that'll add ten pounds just looking
at it. Some of us happen to want real food, not this non-fat low-cal junk
they foist off on us these days. But then it's amazing, it used to be that
people would get up off their butts once in a while and *gasp* excersize!
WARNING: Thinking for yourself could be hazardous to your wealth!
Warning labels, hah!, I'm fed to the back teeth with this kind of silliness.
Delve
<< Yeah, I end up buying most of my music on-line in any case since better
than half of what I listen to is imported. I have occasionally found some
stuff in the local music stores, tho'. Thanks.>>
Null perspiration, I like spreading the word of bands that deserve notice.
<< *Nods* That's sorta how history got me. I was rather indifferent to it
before college and I just took World History 102 because it was required
for all students. I just happened to get the best history professor on
campus, and later when I switched majors I wound up getting her as my
advisor which helped a lot. I still sometimes think that it would have been
fun to have gone into communications, but that's neither here nor there.>>
One major reason I'm sticking to it is that it's the holy grail of jobs - I
enjoy it *and* I have a realistic chance of making a living doing it. How often
do you run across that?
<< I don't think so, not really. We did a fair amount of mixing and matching
ourselves and outside of Planescapes and Dark Sun I found the other
settings to be rather dull or, in the case of Ravenloft, to be rather idiotic.
The only reason we ever played in any campaign world is because my
D.M. owns about a metric ton of pre-written adventures. >>
Haha. I take that back, incidentally - I did run a Council of Wyrms game once
just for the hell of it. Granted I changed a lot, but..
<<That's the problem there, then. I'd wager that those cows are bored out
of their minds. We always tried to let them have the run of different
pastures ever few days so they could have a change of scenery. Until our
fences got old then we just let them have the run of the place, within
reason. Then again we only had about thirty head at most so they were
easier to keep up with than larger herds.>>
Haha. I wouldn't be surprised if they WERE bored. There's no reason not to be.
Wolfie
> Wolfie -
>
> <<WEll evidently these people want all natural cookies with no
> fat. These people are from the duh tree.>>
>
> I think this may be the only time I've advocated cutting down a
> tree, yanking up the roots, and setting the remains on fire. But
> let's do that now, along with everything that came off it.
That would end a lot of problems too! Really! The worlds population
would drop drasitcally!
> << And, btw, they DID tell you the
> cookies were fattening. Thats why theres a nutrition label on
> the back saying Fat XX g XX%. Next claim will be that they can't
> read the labels 'cause they're illiterate!>>
>
> Oh, oh no, they won't do that. That would involve admitting that
> they're actually hampered in some way by their own ability and
> not completely innocent victims.
not really. that's why theres symbols on clothing for washing/drying
care. So if people can't read or can't read the language.
> <<What? You mean they didn't come to your house and hold a gun
> to your head and say "EAT IT OR DIE"?>>
>
> Nah, that's usually those bastards from Sara Lee. I'm onto them
> though. Next time they show up they're getting a hellhive to
> the face. NUCLEAR BEE ARMAGEDDON!!
They got you too? Oh those evil Sara Lee people. I've tried
everything on them and they just smile and keep coming. ;)
Wolfie
> Hate to bring it up but all natural cookies, in my opinion,
> are the ones that
> are made with /real/ ingredients. Ya know, /real/ butter-not
> that margarine crap-, real sugar, real chocolate. Food that'll
> add ten pounds just looking at it. Some of us happen to want
> real food, not this non-fat low-cal junk they foist off on us
> these days. But then it's amazing, it used to be that people
> would get up off their butts once in a while and *gasp*
> excersize!
I'd much rather have the real cookies. And I've known since I was a
wee one that too much of any food will make you fat. Now, I am heavy
(Mommie's a chef and a darn good one) but I'm not going to whine and
cry and say that its because of (inset company here). I realise its
because of me, the choices I've made in my life and that no one said
I had to eat what I did. And I know enough to exercise, I just happen
to find it hard to loose weight.
> WARNING: Thinking for yourself could be hazardous to your
> wealth!
I like thinking for myself.
> Warning labels, hah!, I'm fed to the back teeth with this kind
> of silliness.
I couldn't stand it from the moment I heard... hmm the first one I
heard... the person who sued because they got burned with coffee and
there was no label saying Hot liquid.
Rabbitswift
> Rabbitswift wrote in news:1104_10...@news.critter.net:
>
> > Hate to bring it up but all natural cookies, in my opinion,
> > are the ones that
> > are made with /real/ ingredients. Ya know, /real/ butter-not
> > that margarine crap-, real sugar, real chocolate. Food that'll
> > add ten pounds just looking at it. Some of us happen to want
> > real food, not this non-fat low-cal junk they foist off on us
> > these days. But then it's amazing, it used to be that people
> > would get up off their butts once in a while and *gasp*
> > excersize!
>
> I'd much rather have the real cookies. And I've known since I was a
> wee one that too much of any food will make you fat. Now, I am heavy
> (Mommie's a chef and a darn good one) but I'm not going to whine and
> cry and say that its because of (inset company here). I realise its
> because of me, the choices I've made in my life and that no one said
> I had to eat what I did.
I agree. Self-accountability is a rare thing these days but it's better than
trying to blame others for everything.
And I know enough to exercise, I just happen
> to find it hard to loose weight.
>
Sorry, I was just being sarcastic... again. I didn't meant to hit ya with the
crossfire. *Hugs* {I'm pretty up this month seeing as the fox has taken
over again so there's just even more potential to make an ass of myself
than normal.} Frankly I kinda include myself in that category a little bit too. I
know I should excersize but I end up not doing it as much as I should. So
I'm a bit heavy too, tho' my current job has managed to take off a fair
amount of weight with just all the running around I do.
> > WARNING: Thinking for yourself could be hazardous to your
> > wealth!
>
> I like thinking for myself.
>
Yeah, me too. Which is why I don't try to sue other people for problems I
inflict on myself.
> > Warning labels, hah!, I'm fed to the back teeth with this kind
> > of silliness.
>
> I couldn't stand it from the moment I heard... hmm the first one I
> heard... the person who sued because they got burned with coffee and
> there was no label saying Hot liquid.
>
That's the one that pretty much got me, too. I don't remember exactly
when that was but I know I was old enough to have a smidge of common
sense and I remember thinking that it was a pretty silly thing to sue
someone over. It's coffee ya nullwit, of course it's hot! Now they'll warn
you about everything in an effort not to get sued. Think how much better
products would be if they didn't have to devote the efforts they do to
making sure no-one sues them.
C'est la vie.
--Rabbit who, like Mrs. Joe, will often go on the ram-page.
Loganberry
<snip>
> I keep thinking about getting one of those Livejournal thingies,
> actually, but it seems like *such* a hassle just to get started. I
> have this annoying streak of duty that leaps out at me from time
> to time unexpectedly, and the problem with LJ is that it's a bit
> of a commitment. Because either you have to pester someone into
> giving you a code, in which case you're letting them down if you
> don't use the thing much; or you have to pay, which is a waste of
> money and effort if you don't use the thing much.
<snip>
And naturally, the moment I post this someone (not from a.l.f.) sends
me a code they've got lying about. So now I don't have any choice.
Gah. More work. =;)
David
great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come against
him.
>Do you have empirical evidence of this?
takeing drugs= a desire for escapism
A desire for escapism = Because reality is not always perfect or kind
A better reality= less desire for escapism
also,
Drugs = money needed to support habit (if they were to be legalised in
a controled fashion under the auspices of the state, prices would fall
and you could organise and teeat people better etc) = CRIME & poverty.
><<many drugs are bad, they need to be banned for your own good.>>
>
>Yes, because adults should not be allowed to make their own choices about what
>they put into their bodies, because they just might do something that may be
>harmful. That's the kind of logic that's made an actual legal case for banning
>Oreos in California.
You got that right!
><<They only one really good album: Powerslave, Although Piece of mind
>and Number of the beast did rock quite a bit as well. (mainly for "the
>Trooper, Run to the Hills and Hallowed be Thy name, Also Rhyme of the
>ancient mariner)>>
>
>Pffft. You're insane. I can understand if you're not a fan, but they've only
>written one song that was really *bad*.
I like em, I own 2 albums, Power slave and Number of the Beast, I
suppose I'm just not a really massive fan.
><<Children of Bodem's cover of Several Iron maiden songs and the ramones
>somebody put something in my drink seriously rock, Since they are
>like, ohhh, howling death metal.>>
>
>COB are a funny band. I like 'em passingly. They're one of those bands that are
>good, and I enjoy 'em when I actually sit down and listen, but for some odd
>reason, I'm never specifically in the mood to hear COB. No clue why. I gotta
>find that Ramones cover though, haha. That's almost as funny as Ozzy Osbourne
>and Dweezil Zappa doing a split cover of Stayin' Alive.
I belive that Iron Savior once did a cover of a song by S.E.A.L,
called "Crazy".
><<"A Star Guarded Coronation"
>Has possibly some of the most bizarre and wordy lyrics I've ever
>heard.
>His Singing voice sucks a bit, but it's good enough to add character
>rather than detract. >>
>
>I promise you, that man is a tripper. He writes his albums on acid in the
>middle of the Swedish wilderness. Completely bonkers but I like the guy. No one
>else could get away with a song called 'A Macroscopical Microcosm'. Not to
>mention 'I intersect the shining potato'. I like his voice though, except that
>for years he seemed to forget he had a high range. I was quite pleased when he
>started actually using his full voice.
his voice on the album Ödemarkens Son wasn't so good IMHO.
Persaonnly, I like Summoning best, They have like, A huge development,
from standard black metal to almost new wave stuf, and they have the
cracked vocals which I so love. However I wish they didn't just do
tolkien themed stuff, It wears thin, Even if the music is astonishing.
><<Where is the emprical evidence for this?>>
>
>Actually, there probably would have been some, if anyone had had a video or
>sound recording device on at the appropriate moment.
Could it be reproduced under controled conditions?
><<Are you sure it's simply not wishful thinking, since after all
>Don;t' yoiu think if psychic powers really existed, We'd know by now?>>
>
>I wouldn't call it a psychic power, myself, just manipulation of an ambient
>energy source that's relatively easy to shove around. Besides, I strongly
>suspect that the only reason these concepts aren't already part of mainstream
>science is that people like you refuse to even consider the possibility that it
I am not part of "the Scientific community",
What I think is irrelevant to that kind of matters.
I could write books "proveing" that the world was made out of purple
and puce elephants which shitted custard and breathing out watercress
and no one would take any notice.
>might be worth checking out before clucking, 'Improbable!' Remember when the
>earth was flat? I bet you, the scientists of the day were all standing around
>saying, 'Don't you think if the earth was round, we'd know by now?'
Well, If you could reproduce it under controleed conditions
><<hmmm...>>
>
>Dude, you try having something you're playing with detonate violently without
>warning. Personally, when I've discovered that doing something causes things to
That heppend once when I was pulling a cracking.
>uncontrollably explode, I try to avoid doing it again, seeing as I'd probably
>not particularly violent amputation.
What about in a laboretory?
><<Dragonlance is one of the worst crimes against paper I have ever read!
>It's like reading a transcript of a second rate PnP munchkins.
>campeign>>
>
>That's why it's fun. Did you actually pick up something with TSR on it and
>expect anything else?
YES!
I did
once.
Before I knew.
><<Does he like Bathory?
>I like some of their stuff, But apparantly, Quorthorn Sends you nasty
>e-mails if you reveiw his stuff badly>>
>
>Who doesn't? He's more of an Agalloch man though.
>Hahaha, Quorthon isn't exactly fully in touch with reality, so I wouldn't
>worry.
Is he some kind of Crackpot then?
I saw on a website once, claims that he sent them a nasty e-mail for
reviewing one of his albums as "average". But they didn't post its
contents.
><<"Wizardry 8" featured Antrhomorphic Tigers and wolves, and lizard men
>and dragons as player charecters.>>
>
>Ahh. I wouldn't know this.
It wasn't so good, I went and bought it, But I never realyl played it,
Or many others of the computers games I bought. I think i've spend
about £190 in the lasyt 5 years on computer games, and I've barely
played any of them.
><<hmm, Why do you have a human brain and behave in human behavioural
>paradigms then?>>
>
>I have a human brain because I currently have a human body. In terms of my
>self-image and identity, however, I'm not human. It's not a difficult concept.
>As for behaviors, I use a lot of nonhuman behaviors as well, but to answer the
>question, it's easier to use your language than to try and teach you mine.
how can you have a human body (thius also conciosness) and not be
human?
It's like takeing a fork, and saying "this is realyl a tree, look at
how it can be used to make stakes to impale people on"
><<Why do people need it in that case?
>Since people are animals?>>
>
>I dunno. As I said before, I don't like the term 'ESP'.
><<Don't worry, I never have. And I like to argue too!>>
>
>I've noticed. How much of what you say is your real opinion and how much is a
>facade for the fun of it? You remind me of 55, except with him there was never
>a question.
>
><<You'll probably grow out of it though. HTH.>>
>
>Doubtful. I see a good, stiff argument as the best possible way to keep my wit
>sharp, and to improve it. Plus, you learn interesting things sometimes.
Then do a course in critical thinking. there you will learn much.
And how to twist people words!
Hurrah.
Warren Forest
news:20030519164231...@mb-m01.aol.com...
> 4. How old are you? / What is your date of birth?
> 12.11.84 ... thus making me 18. However, I usually feel like a bitter,
cynical,
> aging 40 ('Cet). A poll once taken of all household occupants revealed
that I
> am intellectually 30 and emotionally 5. I don't think they count.
Oh? Heh... Actually, 40ish year olds seem to me to be much less bitter and
cynical than most people. They're not angry, bitter and cynical youth who
hate older people for (allegedly) screwing up the world before they got
there, and they're not old, out-of-touch, wondering what it all meant,
stopped living for today and live entirely in the past older people either.
;-)
I'm not sure what "intellectually 30" means, either. Being 31 myself, most
of my peers are the same old collection of "smart", "dumb", "snobby",
"clever", etc... that they were 15 years ago when I knew them as teens. ;-)
> 9. Do you believe in ESP? Do you consider yourself to be psychic?
> I don't like the terms 'ESP' or 'psychic'. They've been abused to
generality.
> Besides, the term 'psychic' reminds me too much of dial-up mystics. That
said
> though, I'm a natural empath. Little to no control over it mind you, but
I'm
> pretty damn good all things considered. I can often tell when someone's
upset
> about something even when they don't have a clue they are.
I do that sort of thing all the time too. I usually nail what people are
thinking / feeling, even if they don't know it themselves. But then I also
get cocky and get it wrong and make an ass of myself sometimes. I've since
learned that putting too much faith in my ability to judge other's feelings
was causing me to seriously mis-judge people sometimes.
My mom is still convinced I have some sort of special gifts from God, but I
figure I just pay attention more than others. ;-)
--
Warren Forest, Canis Lupus Arctos - The Canadian Arctic Wolf
FCW3a A- C D++ H+ M- P+ R+ T++++ W Z- Sm#
RLET a31 c++ d-- e+ f h+ i+ j p- sm#
Change "Cold" to "Hot" to e-mail me.
Wolfie
>> And I know enough to exercise, I just happen
>> to find it hard to loose weight.
>>
> Sorry, I was just being sarcastic... again. I didn't meant to
> hit ya with the
> crossfire. *Hugs* {I'm pretty up this month seeing as the fox
> has taken over again so there's just even more potential to make
> an ass of myself than normal.}
*hugs* wasn't hit by the crossfire. I was just stateing that I am
heavy and I know what to do about it. Maybe thats because I learned
about it on the streets since I don't have a lawyer to babysit me.
> Frankly I kinda include myself in
> that category a little bit too. I know I should excersize but I
> end up not doing it as much as I should. So I'm a bit heavy too,
> tho' my current job has managed to take off a fair amount of
> weight with just all the running around I do.
Well I work in a kitchen on third shift. Third shift workers (Like
myself and my co-hort) tend to eat salads for a week, then shift back
to fried chicken strips and onion rings/fries or burgers. But I've
found that a salad with a low sugar dressing raises my sugar higher
than chicken strips and onion rings (I have to monitor it.
Hypoglycemic and all that)
> That's the one that pretty much got me, too. I don't remember
> exactly
> when that was but I know I was old enough to have a smidge of
> common sense and I remember thinking that it was a pretty silly
> thing to sue someone over. It's coffee ya nullwit, of course
> it's hot! Now they'll warn you about everything in an effort not
> to get sued. Think how much better products would be if they
> didn't have to devote the efforts they do to making sure no-one
> sues them.
First off, what kind of idiot puts a steaming hot coffee (I worked
for a dunkin' donuts and the coffee is 10 degrees off of boiling)
between their legs? If you're going to do that, then you should be
held accountable. really, learn to drive one handed then! Or, learn
to hold a coffee cup and the wheel in one hand and shift with the
other. My mother does it just fine. Considering in some states its
illegal to have an open container of any kind (Non-alchy drinks
included here!), you really shouldn't have it anyway.
Wolfie
David:><<many drugs are bad, they need to be banned for your own
good.>>
>
Delve:>>Yes, because adults should not be allowed to make their own
>>choices about what they put into their bodies, because they just
>>might do something that may be harmful. That's the kind of logic
>>that's made an actual legal case for banning Oreos in
>>California.
>
David:> You got that right!
>
so you really believe that the gov. should have the right to tell you
what you can and can not eat? Drugs aside here. You're really telling
me that people should no longer be accountable for their own actions
and the government should lead us by the hand like little children
who don't know enough not to s*** ourselves? So whats next? You can
not buy clothing of such style because its attractive? Guess what,
genius, theres still gonna be rapes! How do I know? I've got some
emperical-fucking-evidence for you! I do not dress sexy in anyway.
Normal clothing is a loose t-shirt and pants with work boots. Not
sexy in anyway, yet I was still raped. So really, forbidding things
doesn't help the damned problems. People find ways AROUND them! You
tell people that they can't buy oreos and such. FINE, they'll make
them at home! It won't stop! It never will! Its deity-damned nature!
People want what they can't have!
Ok, so I'm ranting again. If thats not what you meant, excuse the
rant, but thats just how it seems to me. Telling people, oh its ok
you can do what you want and then, when someone gets hurt, you can
sue because you didn't know. Thats just... childlike. After the age
of 18 its assumed you know right from wrong. If you're still going to
put harmful substances in your body, fine but you should suffer the
consequences. I can understand legalizing some drugs (Marijuanna for
instance. Never used it myself, got a few second-hand-highs in
college, but knew a guy with scorosis (sp?) of the liver and it
really helped him at the end) and that legalizing them could,
theoretically, lower crime. But the same can be said of prostitution.
But these are things so looked down upon by people that it won't ever
happen.
Wolfie (Who goes on little rants sometimes)
Rabbitswift
> Rabbitswift wrote in news:1108_10...@news.critter.net:
>
>
> >> And I know enough to exercise, I just happen
> >> to find it hard to loose weight.
> >>
> > Sorry, I was just being sarcastic... again. I didn't meant to
> > hit ya with the
> > crossfire. *Hugs* {I'm pretty up this month seeing as the fox
> > has taken over again so there's just even more potential to make
> > an ass of myself than normal.}
>
> *hugs* wasn't hit by the crossfire. I was just stateing that I am
> heavy and I know what to do about it.
Ah.
Maybe thats because I learned
> about it on the streets since I don't have a lawyer to babysit me.
>
And even then it depends on the lawyer. I've got a cousin who is and
she thinks the whole thing's foolish too.
> > Frankly I kinda include myself in
> > that category a little bit too. I know I should excersize but I
> > end up not doing it as much as I should. So I'm a bit heavy too,
> > tho' my current job has managed to take off a fair amount of
> > weight with just all the running around I do.
>
> Well I work in a kitchen on third shift. Third shift workers (Like
> myself and my co-hort) tend to eat salads for a week, then shift back
> to fried chicken strips and onion rings/fries or burgers. But I've
> found that a salad with a low sugar dressing raises my sugar higher
> than chicken strips and onion rings (I have to monitor it.
> Hypoglycemic and all that)
>
I wouldn't be surprised. I imagine there's more sugar in salad dressing
than in the breading of either chicken strips or onion rings. People always
advocate salads as a low-fat alternative-then load them with high
sugar/fat things like ranch dressing, cheese, olives, etc. Heh. Just 'cause
it's veggies doesn't mean it's necessarily low-fat.
> > That's the one that pretty much got me, too. I don't remember
> > exactly
> > when that was but I know I was old enough to have a smidge of
> > common sense and I remember thinking that it was a pretty silly
> > thing to sue someone over. It's coffee ya nullwit, of course
> > it's hot! Now they'll warn you about everything in an effort not
> > to get sued. Think how much better products would be if they
> > didn't have to devote the efforts they do to making sure no-one
> > sues them.
>
> First off, what kind of idiot puts a steaming hot coffee (I worked
> for a dunkin' donuts and the coffee is 10 degrees off of boiling)
> between their legs?
Someone who doesn't want children, I'd wager. {Of course, neither do I,
but that's different.}
If you're going to do that, then you should be
> held accountable. really, learn to drive one handed then! Or, learn
> to hold a coffee cup and the wheel in one hand and shift with the
> other. My mother does it just fine. Considering in some states its
> illegal to have an open container of any kind (Non-alchy drinks
> included here!), you really shouldn't have it anyway.
>
Cars tend to have cup-holders, too! I admit I have a tendency to eat in
the car, often whilst driving. This is because I'm held to a tight schedule at
work and don't always have time to stop. It is perfectly possible to do this
without injuring yourself provided you excersize a little forethought. It really
is better not to do this, tho', and when I'm off work the worst I'll do is
maybe drink a soda on the road. Which means a non-open container law
would screw me!
Anways... As I've said before, people can be pretty stupid sometimes.
C'est la vie.
--Rabbit
"Rabbits, like gods, are timid, But they are not easily beaten."
Delve
<<Oh? Heh... Actually, 40ish year olds seem to me to be much less bitter and
cynical than most people. They're not angry, bitter and cynical youth who
hate older people for (allegedly) screwing up the world before they got
there, and they're not old, out-of-touch, wondering what it all meant,
stopped living for today and live entirely in the past older people either.
;-)>>
Oh no, no, don't get me wrong. I just usually feel old in general. Referencing
a specific age is sort of a joke on one of my packmate's favorite
expressions... "Life sucks, then you turn 40." And if I hate anyone, it's not
my elders, but my so-called 'peers'. 90% should have never been born and I hope
to fuck they never reproduce. Of course, they will, but eh.
<<I'm not sure what "intellectually 30" means, either. Being 31 myself, most
of my peers are the same old collection of "smart", "dumb", "snobby",
"clever", etc... that they were 15 years ago when I knew them as teens. ;-)>>
Honestly, I have no idea either. I assume it means I know more than people my
age typically do. I live with a bunch of rat bastards, though, so again, I say
they don't count.
<<I do that sort of thing all the time too. I usually nail what people are
thinking / feeling, even if they don't know it themselves. But then I also
get cocky and get it wrong and make an ass of myself sometimes. I've since
learned that putting too much faith in my ability to judge other's feelings
was causing me to seriously mis-judge people sometimes.>>
Haha. That's one reason I generally don't actively try - just let it come. And
I usually don't act on it unless I'm sure of it. Although, it was quite funny
when a kid I know IMed me once to bitch about his ex-girlfriend (she was dating
a mutual friend at the time), and when I commented on it later he loudly denied
being upset about it. We both knew he was, though.
<<My mom is still convinced I have some sort of special gifts from God, but I
figure I just pay attention more than others. ;-)>>
Right in one, mate.
Delve
<<takeing drugs= a desire for escapism
A desire for escapism = Because reality is not always perfect or kind
A better reality= less desire for escapism>>
Again, do you have empirical evidence of this? Your logic is based on a faulty
premise.
<<also,
Drugs = money needed to support habit (if they were to be legalised in
a controled fashion under the auspices of the state, prices would fall
and you could organise and teeat people better etc) = CRIME & poverty.>>
Evidence, that isn't a statistic? Don't believe everything you hear about us.
It's never universally true and often it isn't even mostly true.
<<You got that right!>>
Pfft. So, should tanning beds be banned because they can potentially cause
cancer? Let's ban the sun too, sunlight causes cancer. And lots of people are
allergic to bee stings, let's ban bees. Howabout milk? Lactose intolerance is a
serious issue. Ban milk!
<<I like em, I own 2 albums, Power slave and Number of the Beast, I
suppose I'm just not a really massive fan.>>
Apparently. Powerslave is a good one, but my favorites are Killers and
Somewhere In Time (and Fear of the Dark because it was my introduction to
metal).
<<I belive that Iron Savior once did a cover of a song by S.E.A.L,
called "Crazy".>>
Haha. THERE'S an image.
<<his voice on the album Ödemarkens Son wasn't so good IMHO.
Persaonnly, I like Summoning best, They have like, A huge development,
from standard black metal to almost new wave stuf, and they have the
cracked vocals which I so love. However I wish they didn't just do
tolkien themed stuff, It wears thin, Even if the music is astonishing.>>
Summoning are the definition of atmospheric metal. Their best application is
surviving dentist appointments. Talk about zoning out. Haha. The Tolkein thing
doesn't bother me because I typically ignore lyrics.
<<Could it be reproduced under controled conditions?>>
Yep. But I'm not about to until I'm sure I won't blow my fingers off or
permanently damage my hearing or something.
More later.
Warren Forest
> Oh no, no, don't get me wrong. I just usually feel old in general.
Referencing
> a specific age is sort of a joke on one of my packmate's favorite
> expressions... "Life sucks, then you turn 40." And if I hate anyone, it's
not
> my elders, but my so-called 'peers'. 90% should have never been born and I
hope
> to fuck they never reproduce. Of course, they will, but eh.
*laughs* Yeah, I can relate to that feeling... Young people are great
because they're so confident in themselves, but on the other paw young
people are infuriating because they're so confident in themselves, and yet
they're usually idiots. ;-) At least, that's how it often seemed!
I really couldn't stand my peers until I reached around 25+ or so. That's
about when the snobs started to be shunned because they were snobs, the
idiots started realizing that they were idiots, the liars started to
recognize that nobody believed them anymore, the self-righteous (this would
be the one I fitted in with) started to recognize that they were being
self-righteous and losing friends, etc... Not everybody, of course, but the
numbers shifted from about 90% that I couldn't stand to around 25%, which is
a huge improvement.
> <<I'm not sure what "intellectually 30" means, either. Being 31 myself,
most
> of my peers are the same old collection of "smart", "dumb", "snobby",
> "clever", etc... that they were 15 years ago when I knew them as teens.
;-)>>
>
> Honestly, I have no idea either. I assume it means I know more than people
my
> age typically do. I live with a bunch of rat bastards, though, so again, I
say
> they don't count.
Heh... Personally, I found the whole "You're so smart" thing when I was a
kid was just an insult turned inside out. Sorta like, "*sigh* You know, we
expect so much more from you Warren, because you're so smart. So cave into
our emotional pressuring to live up to our artificially inflated
expectations by doing what we say. You wouldn't want to disappoint us."
Wolfie
> Maybe thats because I learned
>> about it on the streets since I don't have a lawyer to babysit
>> me.
>>
> And even then it depends on the lawyer. I've got a cousin who
> is and
> she thinks the whole thing's foolish too.
very true, my aunt works for a lawyer and I'm sure he'd laugh anyone
out of the office who came in with something like this.
>> First off, what kind of idiot puts a steaming hot coffee (I
>> worked for a dunkin' donuts and the coffee is 10 degrees off of
>> boiling) between their legs?
>
> Someone who doesn't want children, I'd wager. {Of course,
> neither do I,
> but that's different.}
Well I don't know if I want children, but I've knocked over a cup of
hot chocolate on me when I was little and it left scars. I just know
better
> Cars tend to have cup-holders, too!
Mine doesn't. I tend to get the cardboard cup holder from the place
if I get something
> I admit I have a tendency
> to eat in
> the car, often whilst driving. This is because I'm held to a
> tight schedule at work and don't always have time to stop. It is
> perfectly possible to do this without injuring yourself provided
> you excersize a little forethought. It really is better not to
> do this, tho', and when I'm off work the worst I'll do is maybe
> drink a soda on the road. Which means a non-open container law
> would screw me!
Well many people can't do this. I'm dead serious. It takes
forethought and I know too many people who don't know not to do
something until it hurts them.
Delve
<<> Someone who doesn't want children, I'd wager. {Of course,
> neither do I,
> but that's different.}
Well I don't know if I want children, but I've knocked over a cup of
hot chocolate on me when I was little and it left scars. I just know
better>>
My mother was making fudge once when I was five and dropped the candy
thermometer in. I've still got the massive burn scar from that. I'm quite proud
of it.
Delve
<<That would end a lot of problems too! Really! The worlds population
would drop drasitcally!>>
This is sounding better and better. Anyone know where this thing is?
<<not really. that's why theres symbols on clothing for washing/drying
care. So if people can't read or can't read the language.>>
::paw over face::
<<They got you too? Oh those evil Sara Lee people. I've tried
everything on them and they just smile and keep coming. ;)>>
Actually, the people who really got me aren't sweet companies, but Coca-Cola
and Tombstone. I'll be eating like a college student for the rest of my life, I
swear.
Delve
<<*laughs* Yeah, I can relate to that feeling... Young people are great
because they're so confident in themselves, but on the other paw young
people are infuriating because they're so confident in themselves, and yet
they're usually idiots. ;-) At least, that's how it often seemed!>>
The day I started hating humanity was the day I had to argue for a half-hour
with someone who was supposedly my equal over whether or not 'tact' was a real
word. The worst part was that it began with her making some astonishingly rude
remark (I don't remember what it was) about someone who wasn't present. I
interjected, "Wow, you are the master of tact, aren't you?" She stopped,
bristled, and said, "Did you just insult me!?"
I had nothing to say to that.
<<I really couldn't stand my peers until I reached around 25+ or so. That's
about when the snobs started to be shunned because they were snobs, the
idiots started realizing that they were idiots, the liars started to
recognize that nobody believed them anymore, the self-righteous (this would
be the one I fitted in with) started to recognize that they were being
self-righteous and losing friends, etc... Not everybody, of course, but the
numbers shifted from about 90% that I couldn't stand to around 25%, which is
a huge improvement.>>
Hmm. I don't associate with enough people my age to really notice the
difference. Honestly I don't give age as much significance as most people do.
Two of my packmates are 13 and 14 and they've run with us for a long time, and
the fifth is 22. I'll spend time around anyone if they pass muster, and
honestly that's not hard with me... or at least it shouldn't be, given that all
I ask is that a person not be a raging idiot.
<<Heh... Personally, I found the whole "You're so smart" thing when I was a
kid was just an insult turned inside out. Sorta like, "*sigh* You know, we
expect so much more from you Warren, because you're so smart. So cave into
our emotional pressuring to live up to our artificially inflated
expectations by doing what we say. You wouldn't want to disappoint us.">>
It's kind of a double-edged sword. My mother thinks I'm an unrecognized genius
and I disagree. She also thinks I'm terminally depressed because, rather than
seeing myself as incredibly gifted, my interpretation is that I only look more
than reasonably intelligent because everyone available to compare me to uses
their skull to store old rags in. ::grunt::
David
until great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come
against him.
>David wrote in news:3ecc9301...@news.cis.dfn.de:
>
>David:><<many drugs are bad, they need to be banned for your own
>good.>>
>>
>Delve:>>Yes, because adults should not be allowed to make their own
>>>choices about what they put into their bodies, because they just
>>>might do something that may be harmful. That's the kind of logic
>>>that's made an actual legal case for banning Oreos in
>>>California.
>>
>David:> You got that right!
>>
>
>so you really believe that the gov. should have the right to tell you
>what you can and can not eat? Drugs aside here. You're really telling
To a certain extent. I belive that for example, The goverment should
levy a "fat Tax" on foods which are unhealthy, like McDonalds meals.
And Also, A "green Tax" on foods which are not produced with measures
to ensure sustainability and fair trade. Like Nescafre.
And perhaps some subsidies for ethicaly and ecolohicaly sound
products,
Thus this way, the goverment can manipulate the markets to take
account of the externalities.
I.e internisliseingf the externalites.
Or Stamping on the coperations and whacking them with a big stick to
make them do what is best for all people. Hurrah!
>me that people should no longer be accountable for their own actions
>and the government should lead us by the hand like little children
>who don't know enough not to s*** ourselves? So whats next? You can
>not buy clothing of such style because its attractive? Guess what,
>genius, theres still gonna be rapes! How do I know? I've got some
>emperical-fucking-evidence for you! I do not dress sexy in anyway.
>Normal clothing is a loose t-shirt and pants with work boots. Not
>sexy in anyway, yet I was still raped. So really, forbidding things
People don't rape people because of clothes.
>doesn't help the damned problems. People find ways AROUND them! You
>tell people that they can't buy oreos and such. FINE, they'll make
>them at home! It won't stop! It never will! Its deity-damned nature!
>People want what they can't have!
That's because of capitlism. It's based on Finite resources and
infinte wants.
(which is self contradictory anywahy)
>Ok, so I'm ranting again. If thats not what you meant, excuse the
>rant, but thats just how it seems to me. Telling people, oh its ok
>you can do what you want and then, when someone gets hurt, you can
>sue because you didn't know. Thats just... childlike. After the age
>of 18 its assumed you know right from wrong. If you're still going to
In Texas, People have been EXECUTED for crimes commited when they were
under 18.
Even China doesn't do that.
>put harmful substances in your body, fine but you should suffer the
>consequences. I can understand legalizing some drugs (Marijuanna for
>instance. Never used it myself, got a few second-hand-highs in
>college, but knew a guy with scorosis (sp?) of the liver and it
>really helped him at the end) and that legalizing them could,
>theoretically, lower crime.
The only way to lower crime, is to lower poverty. HTH.
Wolfie
> <<That would end a lot of problems too! Really! The worlds
> population would drop drasitcally!>>
>
> This is sounding better and better. Anyone know where this thing
> is?
sure, its next to the pot o' gold at the other end of the rainbow.
> <<not really. that's why theres symbols on clothing for
> washing/drying care. So if people can't read or can't read the
> language.>>
>
>::paw over face::
You think I'm kidding? That's why those symbols are universal and
supposed to replace the words. So that illiterates and such can read
them.
> <<They got you too? Oh those evil Sara Lee people. I've tried
> everything on them and they just smile and keep coming. ;)>>
>
> Actually, the people who really got me aren't sweet companies,
> but Coca-Cola and Tombstone. I'll be eating like a college
> student for the rest of my life, I swear.
Those evil coca-cola people! I've been banned from caffeine. So I get
the caf. free diet. I know, I know, what's the difference between it
and water, but I happen to like it. I can't even drink the generic
kinds. THey just taste funny (Probably my imagination and personal
bias, but this is nearly the only thing I demand name brand with).
Never had the tombstone ones, they aren't sold in this town.
Actually, its a city, but its... well... amish and factory and farms
so it doesn't _look_ like a city.
Wolfie
> The only way to lower crime, is to lower poverty. HTH.
so abolish money.
make everything free.
Will that satisy your smarmy ass?
Elizabeth A. Johnson
Delve wrote:
> And the shit that chronic pain patients go
> through because of widespread hysteria regarding opioids (you know, the only
> truly effective painkillers with no known or observed long-term side effects,
> remember when we acknowledged that?) is just as bad.
actually, no. and my doctors still won't give me anything because "I'll get
addicted" oh no. let's see. being addicted to not being in pain versus wanting
to die just about every moment of my life. so you have any evidence? web site?
anything you could point me to?
> People are suffering
> astonishing degrees of pain every moment of their LIVES and they're told to
> shut up and deal with it or given bullshit useless crap. I have first-hand
> experience with that. My mother is a chronic pain patient and what do they
> fucking give her? T4s. Codeine. You know, so low-power she has to take it
> several times a day and it doesn't even take care of the pain completely?
> Loaded with acetaminophen, a chemical that's highly toxic to both stomach and
> liver - and she already HAS IBS?
oh, but she should feel lucky. she actually gets her tylenol with codeine in it.
actually I am allergic to codeine so I always ask for Darvocet. But I never get
it anyway. But it doesn't matter since it isn't covered by mediCare or MediCal
and I'm poor. my doctor told me to just take tylenol and motrin together and I'll
be ok. heh *counting down the minutes till the next dose... just nine minutes
to go, right? hell, I think I'll take it early. cries*
Avenging_Lioness
--
"I'm wet... I'm naked... your sister is wearing my clothes... and this is all part
of some evil plot TO RULE THE WORLD AS A SOGGY CHIMP IN HIS BIRTHDAY SUIT?!?!?!?"
Elizabeth A. Johnson
Talon wrote:
> > 37. How and when was your furriness first evident?
> > ::blank shrug:: I haven't been human, in my own mind, for farther back than I
> > consciously remember.
>
> Tell me if this is accurate.
> http://www.furnation.com/humor/topten.htm#bornfurry
heh interesting:
>Top Ten Good\Bad Things About Being Born a Furry - by Talon
>5. Looking at humans as just another animal.
>1. Having never been HUMAN. *
<<*As I look upon the masses of humanity, with their strange behavior never before
seen in nature, I wonder what it would be like to be one of them. Then I look at
the individuals, all acting differently but still trying to achieve the same goals,
and I am thankful that I am me. (I'm fairly sure that this is a good thing) >>
I kinda had to laugh at that.
and scrolling up the page:
http://www.furnation.com/humor/topten.htm#notfurry
>The top ten reasons not to be a furry fan -by Colm
>10. 20-1 male-female ratio at cons
>9. those bleedin Plushophiles invading 'our' con
the 20 -1/male - female ratio and the plushiephiles are the only reasons for me to
ever go to a con! ha! :D
Skytech
then I had to
> leave for the weekend and in the meantime someone turned off my
computer and it
> died. I didn't intend to start posting until now, but you people
sucked me in.
> Heh. Here's the rewritten one then, being that it's traditional and
all. I'll
> see you all around again.
>
We actually have a fusion-powered static cling generator. Well, now
that we peeled you off the metal plate, lets get started on the
Furvey. In the meantime, enjoy the fishsticks and hushpuppies as we
enjoy your company!
--
La gvatantaj vulpoj (The vigilant foxes)
Skytech Lana
^^ ^^
<@@> <~~>
.] .]
Delve
<<sure, its next to the pot o' gold at the other end of the rainbow. >>
I found the end of a rainbow once. It's pretty trippy.
<<You think I'm kidding? That's why those symbols are universal and
supposed to replace the words. So that illiterates and such can read
them.>>
I believe you... it just sucks. e.e
<<Those evil coca-cola people! I've been banned from caffeine. So I get
the caf. free diet. I know, I know, what's the difference between it
and water, but I happen to like it.>>
Man, that's a weird thought. I've been a major caffeine freak since way early
on. About the only thing I got a taste for earlier was booze. My tolerance is
so insane at this point I've forgotten what caffeine feels like. I'd have to
start mainlining Jolt to get a kick from it. Diet and caffeine-free drinks just
taste awful to me, but hey, now I know who to give the stuff I sometimes end up
with too ::wink::
<<I can't even drink the generic
kinds. THey just taste funny (Probably my imagination and personal
bias, but this is nearly the only thing I demand name brand with). >>
Generic sodas do taste different.Generic anything does. And most of the time,
worse.
<<Never had the tombstone ones, they aren't sold in this town.
Actually, its a city, but its... well... amish and factory and farms
so it doesn't _look_ like a city>>
Tombstone pizza is god in food form. 'Nuff said. Heh.
Delve
<<actually, no. and my doctors still won't give me anything because "I'll get
addicted" oh no. let's see. being addicted to not being in pain versus
wanting
to die just about every moment of my life. so you have any evidence? web
site?
anything you could point me to?>>
It was a long, long time ago. Shamefully long ago. I *hate* that crap doctors
give people... The term 'addiction' is vague enough to be medically useless so
far as I can see, and as for physical dependance, fucking DUH! My sincerest
sympathy for your problems, honestly. What do you have? And evidence of what?
<<oh, but she should feel lucky. she actually gets her tylenol with codeine in
it.>>
Pfft, Tylenol. I refuse to even get NEAR that crap. Anything that's actually
more hepatoxic than alcohol I can do without.
<<actually I am allergic to codeine so I always ask for Darvocet. But I never
get
it anyway.>>
They won't even give you DARVOCET? Fucking shit. Time for a new doctor,
seriously.
<< my doctor told me to just take tylenol and motrin together and I'll
be ok.>>
!WMDWDGR< Can I kill your doctor?
<<*counting down the minutes till the next dose... just nine minutes
to go, right? hell, I think I'll take it early. cries*>>
::holds out a paw sympathetically:: Seriously, if you want, I'll track down
some places you can get medication that'll actually help. I don't give a damn
about legality, myself... I'm a bit of a Darwinist, but no way in hell do I see
any good reason for anyone to suffer.
Wolfie
> <<sure, its next to the pot o' gold at the other end of the
> rainbow. >>
>
> I found the end of a rainbow once. It's pretty trippy.
Well if the dumb tree wasn't there, you were at the wrong end.
I'd always heard it was impossible to find the end of a rainbow. Not
doubting you, just adding another "scientific fact" I've collected to
the constantly growing pile of "Lies" in my mind.
> <<Those evil coca-cola people! I've been banned from caffeine.
> So I get the caf. free diet. I know, I know, what's the
> difference between it and water, but I happen to like it.>>
>
> Man, that's a weird thought. I've been a major caffeine freak
> since way early on. About the only thing I got a taste for
> earlier was booze. My tolerance is so insane at this point I've
> forgotten what caffeine feels like. I'd have to start mainlining
> Jolt to get a kick from it. Diet and caffeine-free drinks just
> taste awful to me, but hey, now I know who to give the stuff I
> sometimes end up with too ::wink::
Well I got super addicted to caffeine and my doctor told me to stop
having any. Not all at once, mind you, but cut it off. And I grew up
drinking diet soda so regular tastes awful to me.
And I accept any and all donations! I'm slightly on the poor side.
*wink*
> <<I can't even drink the generic
> kinds. THey just taste funny (Probably my imagination and
> personal bias, but this is nearly the only thing I demand name
> brand with). >>
>
> Generic sodas do taste different.Generic anything does. And most
> of the time, worse.
Everyone tells me its in my head. Its nice to see someone agress with
me. My mom'll buy Sam's Choise and I won't touch it.
> <<Never had the tombstone ones, they aren't sold in this town.
> Actually, its a city, but its... well... amish and factory and
> farms so it doesn't _look_ like a city>>
>
> Tombstone pizza is god in food form. 'Nuff said. Heh.
I've been told the same about digirno's deep dish. Never had either.
Delve
<<Well if the dumb tree wasn't there, you were at the wrong end..>>
::snaps::
<<I'd always heard it was impossible to find the end of a rainbow. Not
doubting you, just adding another "scientific fact" I've collected to
the constantly growing pile of "Lies" in my mind.>>
Well, technically, that's correct. There is, however, a specific set of
circumstances in which, technically, you can actually see what amounts to the
end of a rainbow. Specifically, at exactly the right time of morning (in my
case, I don't know if it HAS to be morning), with exactly the right amount and
degree of rainfall, and in exactly the right place. It's a once in a lifetime
thing, but it IS possible.
<<Well I got super addicted to caffeine and my doctor told me to stop
having any. Not all at once, mind you, but cut it off. And I grew up
drinking diet soda so regular tastes awful to me.
And I accept any and all donations! I'm slightly on the poor side.
*wink*>>
I used to drink coffee before going to kindergarten, swear to fucking god. I go
into withdrawals if I don't get enough. And if I run into any huge amounts of
diet soda I'll pass it over... it happens now and then.
<<Everyone tells me its in my head. Its nice to see someone agress with
me. My mom'll buy Sam's Choise and I won't touch it.>>
Pfft, they're just not paying attention. Generic brands usually suck. Not
always, but more often than not.
<<I've been told the same about digirno's deep dish. Never had either.>>
Technically, DiGiorno's is probably a better pizza, but I love Tombstone. I
have no idea why, but it clicks with me. Like my pizza soulmate or something.
At least, with regards to frozen pizza. Otherwise, there's a place in my
hometown called Pizza My Heart -I- -I- No better pizza ANYWHERE.
Wolfie
> Well, technically, that's correct. There is, however, a specific
> set of circumstances in which, technically, you can actually see
> what amounts to the end of a rainbow. Specifically, at exactly
> the right time of morning (in my case, I don't know if it HAS to
> be morning), with exactly the right amount and degree of
> rainfall, and in exactly the right place. It's a once in a
> lifetime thing, but it IS possible.
From what I had been told, the way the light refracts to make the
rainbow makes it impossible to ever find the end because as you move,
the perception of the light moves so you always see it as an arch,
but never the ends because the ends don't really exist. Something
like that anyway. I admit, I zoned through most of science. It just
never captivated me.
> I used to drink coffee before going to kindergarten, swear to
> fucking god. I go into withdrawals if I don't get enough. And if
My dad used to let me drink coffee on the weekends. One cup. It was a
little white cup and it had a brown teddy bear on the bottom (Figure
inside the cup so that as you drank, the bear would appear and it
kinda looked like he was bathing) and he'd always tell me it
woulstunt my growth... hmm... I'm 6', I don't think it did much.
> <<I've been told the same about digirno's deep dish. Never had
> either.>>
>
> Technically, DiGiorno's is probably a better pizza, but I love
> Tombstone. I have no idea why, but it clicks with me. Like my
> pizza soulmate or something. At least, with regards to frozen
> pizza. Otherwise, there's a place in my hometown called Pizza My
> Heart -I- -I- No better pizza ANYWHERE.
Well East of Chicago claims to be the best pizza east of Chicago. And
I admit, its better than many places I've been to/had delivered.
These pizza guys must fight over who delievers here. We're from a
place that believes in tipping the delievery person (Anywhere from 2-
5 $ depending on what we order, usually its the 5$ since we don't
have change us.) This town doesn't believe in tipping. I gave a girl
a tip once and after I said that it was a tip she says, (I swear
these are her words!!!) "What's a tip?". Genuinly confused too, not
sarcastic.
Delve
<<From what I had been told, the way the light refracts to make the
rainbow makes it impossible to ever find the end because as you move,
the perception of the light moves so you always see it as an arch,
but never the ends because the ends don't really exist. Something
like that anyway. I admit, I zoned through most of science. It just
never captivated me.>>
I consider it the end in my case because, due to the above circumstances, I was
actually able to see a place where the arc abutted the ground, which is an end
as far as I'm concerned. Technically rainbows are circular, if they form right.
<<My dad used to let me drink coffee on the weekends. One cup. It was a
little white cup and it had a brown teddy bear on the bottom (Figure
inside the cup so that as you drank, the bear would appear and it
kinda looked like he was bathing) and he'd always tell me it
woulstunt my growth... hmm... I'm 6', I don't think it did much.>>
Apparently you didn't drink enough, I'm 5'4"!
<<We're from a
place that believes in tipping the delievery person (Anywhere from 2-
5 $ depending on what we order, usually its the 5$ since we don't
have change us.) This town doesn't believe in tipping. I gave a girl
a tip once and after I said that it was a tip she says, (I swear
these are her words!!!) "What's a tip?". Genuinly confused too, not
sarcastic.>>
Whoa, dude. Granted, tipping here is usually less courtesy and more people
being too lazy to deal with change, but even so. That's bizarre. If you don't
tip here people get really pissed at you. I've been raised to tip 15%, and I
try to tip something if I can just out of habit. Plus if I were working that
job I'd want people to tip me, know what I mean?
Wolfie
> <<My dad used to let me drink coffee on the weekends. One cup.
> It was a little white cup and it had a brown teddy bear on the
> bottom (Figure inside the cup so that as you drank, the bear
> would appear and it kinda looked like he was bathing) and he'd
> always tell me it woulstunt my growth... hmm... I'm 6', I don't
> think it did much.>>
>
> Apparently you didn't drink enough, I'm 5'4"!
Apparently not. Is it something in the coffee or the caffeine? 'Cause
if its caffeine, I should be about 4'11"
> <<We're from a
> place that believes in tipping the delievery person (Anywhere
> from 2- 5 $ depending on what we order, usually its the 5$ since
> we don't have change us.) This town doesn't believe in tipping.
> I gave a girl a tip once and after I said that it was a tip she
> says, (I swear these are her words!!!) "What's a tip?". Genuinly
> confused too, not sarcastic.>>
>
> Whoa, dude. Granted, tipping here is usually less courtesy and
> more people being too lazy to deal with change, but even so.
> That's bizarre. If you don't tip here people get really pissed
> at you. I've been raised to tip 15%, and I try to tip something
> if I can just out of habit. Plus if I were working that job I'd
> want people to tip me, know what I mean?
I was raised to tip 15% if I'm neutral, 10% if the service was bad
and 15-20% if it was good. And I used to live on tips. I'd make $80 a
day on them (It was a Dunkin' Donuts.. and they weren't called tips,
they were called "Thank You"s.) and I would have gone crazy working
at that place if it weren't for the tips (People tip better when
they;re happy ... incentive to grin and bear the crap and the threats
they give you. Oh, yea, my health has been threatened working there.
And why? Because a donut which I didn't make or sell was too small
for this woman)
But it just shocked me that I had to explain what a tip was. And if
we get a pizza, its about $10 so we give them 12-15 (Depends if we
have ones or not) and this one guy holds the five out to me and says
"You gave me too much" and when I told him to keep it, he got this
look like he thought I was going to call Sheffif Bubba and Deptuy
Billy-Bob to arrest him for theft. Sorry, up to my neck in hicks
here.
Delve
<<Apparently not. Is it something in the coffee or the caffeine? 'Cause
if its caffeine, I should be about 4'11">>
Honestly I dunno, I'm probably just a shortass.
<<I was raised to tip 15% if I'm neutral, 10% if the service was bad
and 15-20% if it was good. And I used to live on tips. I'd make $80 a
day on them (It was a Dunkin' Donuts.. and they weren't called tips,
they were called "Thank You"s.) and I would have gone crazy working
at that place if it weren't for the tips (People tip better when
they;re happy ... incentive to grin and bear the crap and the threats
they give you.>>
One more reason I try to avoid working in that kind of place. I'd never, ever
be able to pull it off. There's an intellectual predator in me that absolutely
cannot resist biting at weakness, and when people say stupid things to me I can
never hold off from ripping it to bits. I'd be fired by the end of a week.
<< Oh, yea, my health has been threatened working there.
And why? Because a donut which I didn't make or sell was too small
for this woman)>>
See, my point exactly.
<<But it just shocked me that I had to explain what a tip was. And if
we get a pizza, its about $10 so we give them 12-15 (Depends if we
have ones or not) and this one guy holds the five out to me and says
"You gave me too much" and when I told him to keep it, he got this
look like he thought I was going to call Sheffif Bubba and Deptuy
Billy-Bob to arrest him for theft. Sorry, up to my neck in hicks
here.>>
Haha, goddamn, poor kid. Someone forgot to teach him that when someone gives
something to you it's general not going to bother them if you take it.
Wolfie
> <<I was raised to tip 15% if I'm neutral, 10% if the service was
> bad and 15-20% if it was good. And I used to live on tips. I'd
> make $80 a day on them (It was a Dunkin' Donuts.. and they
> weren't called tips, they were called "Thank You"s.) and I would
> have gone crazy working at that place if it weren't for the tips
> (People tip better when they;re happy ... incentive to grin and
> bear the crap and the threats they give you.>>
>
> One more reason I try to avoid working in that kind of place.
> I'd never, ever be able to pull it off. There's an intellectual
> predator in me that absolutely cannot resist biting at weakness,
> and when people say stupid things to me I can never hold off
> from ripping it to bits. I'd be fired by the end of a week.
Which is why I was on drive-thru. I'd keep the button pressed down
and tell them to talk, and while they were (those who liked to
complain there anyway) I'd be snapping my retorts and getting it out
of my system. Of course, those who like to yell at me at the window
wouldn't hear them either since when the window shut and I went
around the corner to fix what was "wrong", I'd be saying it then.
People don't realise, I write orders down so I don't forget because I
have just that wonderful of a memory when it comes to things like
that.
> << Oh, yea, my health has been threatened working there.
> And why? Because a donut which I didn't make or sell was too
> small for this woman)>>
>
> See, my point exactly.
Yea, well I told her if she hates us that much, don't come back. When
the manager found out, he laughed and said "Its what I would have
told that bitch". She "never" comes to that store because she has
such bad expiernces there so she sent her son in. The lady needs to
be medicated I think.
> Haha, goddamn, poor kid. Someone forgot to teach him that when
> someone gives something to you it's general not going to bother
> them if you take it.
But in this place, its they way they are. Most people I work with
made 14-16 $ to start and are up to 24$ (This is hourly BTW. I make
8$ because I don't work for their company, I just feed them) and they
watch each cent because they don't make enough money. The complain
when their dinners there are $3.44 because its out rageous and too
expensive. And here I am, with my 2 week paycheck that they make in a
couple days, overtipping people because I know what its like to need
money. Sure, I'd like to make $800-900 a week (No lie, seen the
facory workers paychecks), get 5 paid breaks a night, one unpaid luch
break and only really need to work 15 mins out of every hour because
its all automated (They sleep during work and get upset if someone
doesn't wake them for their break... No lie). But after a month, I'd
be bored. I'm bored with my job, but I do next to nothing (Which is
why I'm bored. But the factory workers say I deserve a raise because
I work too much). Of course, I'm not the steriotype of an American
that I got from a Welsh guy: Fat, lazy and stupid. Sure, I'm
overweight, but I graduated college #2 in my class with an A average.
I was on the Dean's List throughout college and my iq is 125. So out
of that thing, I'm only fat. My problem with finding a good job is
that damned catch-22. I have no expiernce, well I have some, but its
very little. Have no expierence so I can't get it. Which is quite
fustrating.
David
until great Birnam wood to high alt.lifestyle.furry. hill shall come
against him.
>David wrote in news:3ecdea5a...@news.cis.dfn.de:
>
>
>> The only way to lower crime, is to lower poverty. HTH.
>
>so abolish money.
>make everything free.
>Will that satisy your smarmy ass?
Ad Hom attacks such as these create nothing but bad feeling.
And also, They are an admission that you cannot make any reasonable
repproach to my points.
War is the terrorism of the rich
Terrorism is the war of the poor
Delve
<<Which is why I was on drive-thru. I'd keep the button pressed down
and tell them to talk, and while they were (those who liked to
complain there anyway) I'd be snapping my retorts and getting it out
of my system. >>
Haha. Given my luck I'd screw up and they'd hear everything.
<<Of course, those who like to yell at me at the window
wouldn't hear them either since when the window shut and I went
around the corner to fix what was "wrong", I'd be saying it then.
People don't realise, I write orders down so I don't forget because I
have just that wonderful of a memory when it comes to things like
that.>>
Ahh, the joys of working in food. Makes me miss the dot-com industry boom even
more.
<<Yea, well I told her if she hates us that much, don't come back. When
the manager found out, he laughed and said "Its what I would have
told that bitch". She "never" comes to that store because she has
such bad expiernces there so she sent her son in. The lady needs to
be medicated I think.>>
Medicated as in a nightcap and a long vacation, preferably to the shores of the
river Styx? That's what the Droc would reccommend. ::taps prescription pad::
<<But in this place, its they way they are. Most people I work with
made 14-16 $ to start and are up to 24$ (This is hourly BTW. I make
8$ because I don't work for their company, I just feed them) and they
watch each cent because they don't make enough money.>>
::low whistle::
<<Sure, I'd like to make $800-900 a week (No lie, seen the
facory workers paychecks), get 5 paid breaks a night, one unpaid luch
break and only really need to work 15 mins out of every hour because
its all automated (They sleep during work and get upset if someone
doesn't wake them for their break... No lie). >>
Okay, where are you people and what are you doing?
<<But after a month, I'd
be bored. I'm bored with my job, but I do next to nothing (Which is
why I'm bored. But the factory workers say I deserve a raise because
I work too much).>>
Sounds like the job of heaven to me...
<< Of course, I'm not the steriotype of an American
that I got from a Welsh guy: Fat, lazy and stupid. Sure, I'm
overweight, but I graduated college #2 in my class with an A average.
I was on the Dean's List throughout college and my iq is 125. So out
of that thing, I'm only fat.>>
Don't forget loud. I've got an English friend who's very amused at how loud we
all are.
<<My problem with finding a good job is
that damned catch-22. I have no expiernce, well I have some, but its
very little. Have no expierence so I can't get it. Which is quite
fustrating.>>
Yeah I know, that shit sucks. One reason I like film actually... the fact that
I've only worked on indie shorts doesn't matter to them, I've done *something*
so I'm worth a shot for minor duty yanno? And if you prove you're good at that
you can work your way up.
Rabbitswift
> Rabbitswift wrote in news:1103_10...@news.critter.net:
>
>
> > Maybe thats because I learned
> >> about it on the streets since I don't have a lawyer to babysit
> >> me.
> >>
> > And even then it depends on the lawyer. I've got a cousin who
> > is and
> > she thinks the whole thing's foolish too.
>
> very true, my aunt works for a lawyer and I'm sure he'd laugh anyone
> out of the office who came in with something like this.
>
> >> First off, what kind of idiot puts a steaming hot coffee (I
> >> worked for a dunkin' donuts and the coffee is 10 degrees off of
> >> boiling) between their legs?
> >
> > Someone who doesn't want children, I'd wager. {Of course,
> > neither do I,
> > but that's different.}
>
> Well I don't know if I want children, but I've knocked over a cup of
> hot chocolate on me when I was little and it left scars. I just know
> better
>
one would willingly put a container of hot liquid anywhere it might get
spilled on them. But then I've had hot water spilled on me too. No scars
but a burning {heh} desire to never repeat the experience.
>
> > Cars tend to have cup-holders, too!
>
> Mine doesn't. I tend to get the cardboard cup holder from the place
> if I get something
>
don't have 'em as a friend of mine's didn't. That surprised me too since it
was a /nice/ vehicle with power everything and a sunroof and everything
but no cupholders. Then again the last four cars we've had {my own
included} have been Toyotas of some stripe or another so I don't know
much about what other models do or don't have.
We have a Toyota factory just one county over is why.
> > I admit I have a tendency
> > to eat in
> > the car, often whilst driving. This is because I'm held to a
> > tight schedule at work and don't always have time to stop. It is
> > perfectly possible to do this without injuring yourself provided
> > you excersize a little forethought. It really is better not to
> > do this, tho', and when I'm off work the worst I'll do is maybe
> > drink a soda on the road. Which means a non-open container law
> > would screw me!
>
> Well many people can't do this. I'm dead serious. It takes
> forethought and I know too many people who don't know not to do
> something until it hurts them.
>
and does something without thinking about it. But when it comes to cars,
well I s'pose once bitten is twice shy. At least in my case.
Dennis Carr
> 1. What is your name? Online, I go by Delve Countdown in most places.
> Occasionally you'll find me using the pseudonym Narcosynthesis. My
> fursona's name is 'Cet Diamorphine, and I use its/his name too
> sometimes, cos really, we're the same person, just 22 years apart.
Welcome to the Homestead, Delve. Today, we have pasta here at Chez Vrolet
with some homemade sausage sauce.
> 4. How old are you? / What is your date of birth? 12.11.84 ... thus
> making me 18. However, I usually feel like a bitter, cynical, aging 40
> ('Cet). A poll once taken of all household occupants revealed that I am
> intellectually 30 and emotionally 5. I don't think they count.
Usually group polls like that don't *really* mean anything.
On where Delve lives...
> Sacto-area CA. I'm originally from Santa Cruz, though, and I'm going
> back when I can.
Ooh, a Califurnian!
> 15. What are your favourite furry computer games? They exist?
There's the Starfox games, Conker's Bad Fur Day, and there're plenty more.
Those are just the ones I know....
> 42. Do you act more/less furry in the company of furry friends? Don't
> have any. Why do you think I'm here? Heh.
See? Even this one says we're good people. =^^=
> 49. What pets do you own?
> I currently cohabitate with four cats, two of whom are 'mine' (more like
> I'm theirs, if anything). Koku is a neutered male black Siamese who was
> born a runt, then somehow sprouted into one of the biggest cats I've
> ever seen in my life.
They often do that. One of mine are like that.
> He outweighs my guitar and there's not a speck of extra fat on him. He's
> got no common sense whatsoever. Mama Squirt is black too, the
> half-tailed descendant of several purebred manxes, and currently has a
> litter of five podlings... one black manx (Gollum), two bullseye
> tabbies, one manx (Otter) and one halftail (Stubsy), and two mackerel
> tabbies, both full tails (Squall and Flea). They're just over two weeks
> old as I type this.
Pray, do you have photos? Show me yours and I'll show you mine...
http://www.northarc.com/~ke6isf/personal/cats
(Yes, I know, shameless plug.)
--
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http://www.northarc.com/~ke6isf | But I have more fun that way.
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On my DeviantArt site (URL in sig) there's several photos of my cats.
Nightwind
> Heh... Personally, I found the whole "You're so smart" thing when I was a
> kid was just an insult turned inside out. Sorta like, "*sigh* You know, we
> expect so much more from you Warren, because you're so smart. So cave into
> our emotional pressuring to live up to our artificially inflated
> expectations by doing what we say. You wouldn't want to disappoint us."
same experiance, went from never scorring less then about a 95 on
anything, to not even bothering to try to pass anymore. Not that I had
to try before, but the 30 point slip in one semester... and assignments
not turned in at all. Eventually, you wake up and say, enough.
--
Nightwind
"The wind has no destination"
Aim Nightwnd90
Icq 23044454
Nightwind
> Well many people can't do this. I'm dead serious. It takes
> forethought and I know too many people who don't know not to do
> something until it hurts them.
it used to be that a lack of a capasty for forethought had a darwinian
solution
Wolfie
news:20030524154822...@mb-m10.aol.com:
> <<Which is why I was on drive-thru. I'd keep the button
> pressed down and tell them to talk, and while they were
> (those who liked to complain there anyway) I'd be snapping
> my retorts and getting it out of my system. >>
>
> Haha. Given my luck I'd screw up and they'd hear
> everything.
Oh I've done that! THere's two buttons: One to outside, one to
the other headset. I hit the wrong button a couple times but the
person in the car just said "What?" The looked quite confused
too.
> <<The lady needs to be medicated I
> think.>>
>
> Medicated as in a nightcap and a long vacation, preferably
> to the shores of the river Styx? That's what the Droc would
> reccommend. ::taps prescription pad::
Well, your the Droc!
> <<Sure, I'd like to make $800-900 a week (No lie, seen the
> facory workers paychecks), get 5 paid breaks a night, one
> unpaid luch break and only really need to work 15 mins out
> of every hour because its all automated (They sleep during
> work and get upset if someone doesn't wake them for their
> break... No lie). >>
>
> Okay, where are you people and what are you doing?
Ohio, Smucker's. 3rd shift. The push a button, do their few
minutes of work and goof off. The accept applications M-F or you
can send one in. No expiernce required. Why am I not working for
them? Because I took a job at the cafeteria before realizing
this and I need to not work for the caf. for 6 months before I
can work there. Janitorial starts at $16 and all you do is mop
the floors once, dump that blue toilet crap in and let it sit,
hang out in the caf. and vaccuum the hallway rug once.
> <<But after a month, I'd
> be bored. I'm bored with my job, but I do next to nothing
> (Which is why I'm bored. But the factory workers say I
> deserve a raise because I work too much).>>
>
> Sounds like the job of heaven to me...
Oh it would be nice. I read most of the time on my shift, so do
the plant people who make 3X what I do. I'm amazed that some of
them know how to read.
> Don't forget loud. I've got an English friend who's very
> amused at how loud we all are.
Well, friend of mine is deaf in one ear, so I have an excuse!
> Yeah I know, that shit sucks. One reason I like film
> actually... the fact that I've only worked on indie shorts
> doesn't matter to them, I've done *something* so I'm worth
> a shot for minor duty yanno? And if you prove you're good
> at that you can work your way up.
Thats cool. I had a job lined up after college, promises,
promises. We got a call a week before graduation saying that
they changed their mind, they don't want me anymore and they
hired this other girl. I was pissed.
Wolfie
>> > Cars tend to have cup-holders, too!
>>
>> Mine doesn't. I tend to get the cardboard cup holder from
>> the place if I get something
>>
> There I go making assumptions again! I know that pickups
> sometimes
> don't have 'em as a friend of mine's didn't. That surprised
> me too since it was a /nice/ vehicle with power everything
> and a sunroof and everything but no cupholders. Then again
> the last four cars we've had {my own included} have been
> Toyotas of some stripe or another so I don't know much
> about what other models do or don't have.
> We have a Toyota factory just one county over is why.
Well even if the car doesn't, you can usually buy one cheap or
you ask the drive thru person to give you the cardboard one. It
works nicely! My car's the origional mommy-mobile. Station
wagon. Evidently, though, it sounds great and runs phenomonolly
for a 13 y/o car. I'd get a new one if I weren't so poor.
>> Well many people can't do this. I'm dead serious. It takes
>> forethought and I know too many people who don't know not
>> to do something until it hurts them.
>>
> *Sigh* Yeah, me too. It's amazing. Very often /I'm/ the
> one who goes
> and does something without thinking about it. But when it
> comes to cars, well I s'pose once bitten is twice shy. At
> least in my case.
Heh. Todays driver's ed topic "How to eat and drink safely in
the car". It would be useful! Not like they teach anything in
DE. Well, maybe where others live, they do. But mine didn't.
Mine consisted of "THis is a stop sign. This is a street light.
This is a yellow line" Crap like that.
Wolfie
> Wolfie wrote:
>
>> Well many people can't do this. I'm dead serious. It takes
>> forethought and I know too many people who don't know not
>> to do something until it hurts them.
>
>
> it used to be that a lack of a capasty for forethought had
> a darwinian solution
>
Yes, but we're in the days of reverse darwinism. Survival of the
most idiotic. (Yet another jurassic park referance)
Rabbitswift
> Rabbitswift wrote in news:1105_10...@news.critter.net:
>
> >> > Cars tend to have cup-holders, too!
> >>
> >> Mine doesn't. I tend to get the cardboard cup holder from
> >> the place if I get something
> >>
> > There I go making assumptions again! I know that pickups
> > sometimes
> > don't have 'em as a friend of mine's didn't. That surprised
> > me too since it was a /nice/ vehicle with power everything
> > and a sunroof and everything but no cupholders. Then again
> > the last four cars we've had {my own included} have been
> > Toyotas of some stripe or another so I don't know much
> > about what other models do or don't have.
> > We have a Toyota factory just one county over is why.
>
> Well even if the car doesn't, you can usually buy one cheap or
> you ask the drive thru person to give you the cardboard one. It
> works nicely! My car's the origional mommy-mobile. Station
> wagon. Evidently, though, it sounds great and runs phenomonolly
> for a 13 y/o car. I'd get a new one if I weren't so poor.
>
just about one of the only luxuries my car has. I've got one of those lovely
basic models with power brakes and steering and manual everything else.
I like it though, it gets me where I need to go. Station wagons are actually
nice cars, I think. That'd certainly be a help in my job, considering they
probably have more room inside than a Corolla. But it's amazing how much
you can pack in that little car.
> >> Well many people can't do this. I'm dead serious. It takes
> >> forethought and I know too many people who don't know not
> >> to do something until it hurts them.
> >>
> > *Sigh* Yeah, me too. It's amazing. Very often /I'm/ the
> > one who goes
> > and does something without thinking about it. But when it
> > comes to cars, well I s'pose once bitten is twice shy. At
> > least in my case.
>
> Heh. Todays driver's ed topic "How to eat and drink safely in
> the car". It would be useful! Not like they teach anything in
> DE. Well, maybe where others live, they do. But mine didn't.
> Mine consisted of "THis is a stop sign. This is a street light.
> This is a yellow line" Crap like that.
>
assessment of last nights ballgame." Drivers Ed seems to hardly ever
teach anyone anything useful. Or safe considering my DE teacher decided
to encourage tailgating as a ways of allowing the maximum number of
people on the road at one time. *growls* Probably explains why I've been
rear-ended twice this year.
Wolfie
>> Heh. Todays driver's ed topic "How to eat and drink safely
>> in the car". It would be useful! Not like they teach
>> anything in DE. Well, maybe where others live, they do.
>> But mine didn't. Mine consisted of "THis is a stop sign.
>> This is a street light. This is a yellow line" Crap like
>> that.
>>
> Sounds familiar. Though more often that not we got "this
> is todays
> assessment of last nights ballgame." Drivers Ed seems to
> hardly ever teach anyone anything useful. Or safe
> considering my DE teacher decided to encourage tailgating
> as a ways of allowing the maximum number of people on the
> road at one time. *growls* Probably explains why I've been
> rear-ended twice this year.
Thats just sick. We spent one class being taught why your
supposed to keep x-number of feet between you and another car. I
don't remember much of that class. We goofed of through most of
it and made fun of Paulie, the teacher.
Delve
<<Oh I've done that! THere's two buttons: One to outside, one to
the other headset. I hit the wrong button a couple times but the
person in the car just said "What?" The looked quite confused
too.>>
Haha. There's another great mental image...
<<Well, your the Droc!>>
That I am. ::nods::
<<Ohio, Smucker's. 3rd shift. The push a button, do their few
minutes of work and goof off. The accept applications M-F or you
can send one in. No expiernce required. Why am I not working for
them? Because I took a job at the cafeteria before realizing
this and I need to not work for the caf. for 6 months before I
can work there. Janitorial starts at $16 and all you do is mop
the floors once, dump that blue toilet crap in and let it sit,
hang out in the caf. and vaccuum the hallway rug once.>>
Hmmmm. All that... but you have to live in Ohio. Hmmm.
<<Oh it would be nice. I read most of the time on my shift, so do
the plant people who make 3X what I do. I'm amazed that some of
them know how to read.>>
Frankly, so am I. ::eyeroll::
<<Well, friend of mine is deaf in one ear, so I have an excuse!>>
Heh. I'm just loud, apparently.
<<Thats cool. I had a job lined up after college, promises,
promises. We got a call a week before graduation saying that
they changed their mind, they don't want me anymore and they
hired this other girl. I was pissed.>>
Oh that would piss me off so much. In film, below the line, from what my
teacher says it's kind of a walkup thing... you look for something they need
and go in and say, 'I can do that.' They'll ask, 'What have you done?' Then you
say, 'Would you like a copy of my reel?' They always do, but they don't
necessarily watch it closely; all they want is proof that you've done something
Wolfie
news:20030525171205...@mb-m05.aol.com:
> <<Ohio, Smucker's. 3rd shift..>>
>
> Hmmmm. All that... but you have to live in Ohio. Hmmm.
yea, I don't recomend it. Sry to anyone who likes it here, but
this place sucks. I'm used to MA.
Elizabeth A. Johnson
Delve wrote:
> Avenging Lioness -
>
> <<actually, no. and my doctors still won't give me anything because "I'll get
> addicted" oh no. let's see. being addicted to not being in pain versus
> wanting
> to die just about every moment of my life. so you have any evidence? web
> site?
> anything you could point me to?>>
>
> It was a long, long time ago. Shamefully long ago. I *hate* that crap doctors
> give people... The term 'addiction' is vague enough to be medically useless so
> far as I can see, and as for physical dependance, fucking DUH! My sincerest
> sympathy for your problems, honestly. What do you have? And evidence of what?
argh. once I find the website I'm looking for I'll tell you what I have. I'll
post it in reply to Wolfie's message down there. I am so tired right now. I'm in
pain and can't sleep. but the sleep part is because a particularly large bug got
in my house and scared the crap out of me. I hate bugs. *ears droop*
and evidence for... well, I thought you had mentioned somewhere that opiates
weren't addictive or something. maybe compared to otc painkillers. I don't
know. or maybe it was a product of my sleep deprived mind. *sighs*
> <<oh, but she should feel lucky. she actually gets her tylenol with codeine in
> it.>>
>
> Pfft, Tylenol. I refuse to even get NEAR that crap. Anything that's actually
> more hepatoxic than alcohol I can do without.
>
> <<actually I am allergic to codeine so I always ask for Darvocet. But I never
> get
> it anyway.>>
>
> They won't even give you DARVOCET? Fucking shit. Time for a new doctor,
> seriously.
nya. I've been to several doctors. Kaiser kicked me out two years ago when a
government mix up left me without disability payments or any health coverage.
It's been a battle ever since. I still don't have my MediCare back. And nobody
covers pain pills anyway. MediCal allows me to see doctors, sure, but I can't
refer myself to a specialist and because these rejects don't even know what I have
and are misdiagnosing me they won't give me a referral to a proper dermatologist.
So I am left waiting for the government to make up their minds and send the
paperwork through so I can get back on MediCare and find a doctor who will listen
to me and knows what they doing. In the mean time every one of my conditions is
in full throttle and I'm rapidly plummeting to my own death. ok, it's not quite
that serious. but I'm more than a little bit worried. rar.
> << my doctor told me to just take tylenol and motrin together and I'll
> be ok.>>
>
> !WMDWDGR< Can I kill your doctor?
wmdwdgr?
I wouldn't stand in your way.
> <<*counting down the minutes till the next dose... just nine minutes
> to go, right? hell, I think I'll take it early. cries*>>
>
> ::holds out a paw sympathetically:: Seriously, if you want, I'll track down
> some places you can get medication that'll actually help. I don't give a damn
> about legality, myself... I'm a bit of a Darwinist, but no way in hell do I see
> any good reason for anyone to suffer.
*sighs* I don't know. I try not to form opinions on anything. But I often wish
I wasn't born. or someone would just kill me. I prayed for so long asking God to
just take me away. I find it hard to believe in God anymore.
Delve
<<argh. once I find the website I'm looking for I'll tell you what I have.
I'll
post it in reply to Wolfie's message down there. I am so tired right now. I'm
in
pain and can't sleep. but the sleep part is because a particularly large bug
got
in my house and scared the crap out of me. I hate bugs. *ears droop*>>
Agh. I'm sorry, man. And okay, I'll check it.
<<and evidence for... well, I thought you had mentioned somewhere that opiates
weren't addictive or something. maybe compared to otc painkillers. I don't
know. or maybe it was a product of my sleep deprived mind. *sighs*>>
Nah, I said they were harmless with regards to the body - unlike certain
painkillers such as acetaminophen(Tylenol) which is extremely hepatoxic,
opioids are almost universally benign. They come in, they bind with your
mu-receptors, and live out their effective duration before being swept away.
They can and often do cause physical dependance, and some people can indeed
become psychologically dependant on them, but frankly, I don't necessarily see
that as a major issue where pain control is concerned, because if you're in
pain, you're dependant on your medicine to remain functional anyhow.
<<nya. I've been to several doctors. Kaiser kicked me out two years ago when
a
government mix up left me without disability payments or any health coverage.
It's been a battle ever since. I still don't have my MediCare back. And
nobody
covers pain pills anyway. MediCal allows me to see doctors, sure, but I can't
refer myself to a specialist and because these rejects don't even know what I
have
and are misdiagnosing me they won't give me a referral to a proper
dermatologist.
So I am left waiting for the government to make up their minds and send the
paperwork through so I can get back on MediCare and find a doctor who will
listen
to me and knows what they doing. >>
::flat-eared snarl:: You can't know how much sympathy I have for you. I know
far too many people who go through similar shit, and in some cases even worse,
because the medical system sucks so fucking badly. When did taking care of
people stop being the top priority, I'd like to know?
<<In the mean time every one of my conditions is
in full throttle and I'm rapidly plummeting to my own death. ok, it's not
quite
that serious. but I'm more than a little bit worried. rar.>>
I don't blame you... I know one guy who's got both AIDS and advanced Hepatitis
C... and the retrovirals interfere with his HepC meds.
<<wmdwdgr?>>
It's hard to romanize the noises I make when I'm frustrated and angry, so I
approximate with a sequence of random keystrokes.
<<I wouldn't stand in your way.>>
Good. My mother had a doctor once who KNEW how bad her various health problems
are, yet testified against her in the custody battle she fought with Dad for us
- saying she was addicted to codeine. I still hope I run into her in a dark
alley with no one around.
<<*sighs* I don't know. I try not to form opinions on anything. But I often
wish
I wasn't born. or someone would just kill me. I prayed for so long asking God
to
just take me away. I find it hard to believe in God anymore.>>
Well, personally, if given a choice between living in pain and breaking the law
to relieve said pain, I'd go for the latter. 'Course I'm used to breaking drug
laws already; I know it's a more difficult thought on the outside. But I
honestly do want to help. I have one connection that's good for benzos, at
least (that'll help you sleep if nothing else) and I can find anything else I
want, so if you ever get tired of the system shitting on you, I'll help you get
some relief. Not recreation, but actual pain relief. Totally up to you; let me
know.
Luta Ariadt
> Wolfie -
>
> <<> Someone who doesn't want children, I'd wager. {Of course,
>
>> neither do I,
>>but that's different.}
>
>
> Well I don't know if I want children, but I've knocked over a cup of
> hot chocolate on me when I was little and it left scars. I just know
> better>>
>
> thermometer in. I've still got the massive burn scar from that. I'm quite proud
> of it.
When I was but a wee tyke my grandmother spilled a whole pot of coffee on my
head. One of my earliest memories: boy did I howl! Don't know about scars, though.
--
Luta Ariadt
FDD5a C- D H M P+ R+++ T+++ S? RLCT a cl++++$ e++ f++++ h- i+ p- sm#
Luta Ariadt
> That's because of capitlism. It's based on Finite resources and
> infinte wants.
> (which is self contradictory anywahy)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*rubs chin* I find your theories intriguing... do go on.
Luta Ariadt
> Delve wrote in news:20030524004121...@mb-m27.aol.com:
>
>
>>Well, technically, that's correct. There is, however, a specific
>>set of circumstances in which, technically, you can actually see
>>what amounts to the end of a rainbow. Specifically, at exactly
>>the right time of morning (in my case, I don't know if it HAS to
>>be morning), with exactly the right amount and degree of
>>rainfall, and in exactly the right place. It's a once in a
>>lifetime thing, but it IS possible.
>
>
> From what I had been told, the way the light refracts to make the
> rainbow makes it impossible to ever find the end because as you move,
> the perception of the light moves so you always see it as an arch,
> but never the ends because the ends don't really exist. Something
> like that anyway. I admit, I zoned through most of science. It just
> never captivated me.
I read through a catalog of unusual atmospheric phenomena once. It was pretty
cool -- it predicted sprites and blue jets before they were officially
discovered. Anyway, there's all sorts of rainbow-like and other cool stuff
going on in the sky, if you pay attention and know what to look for. Most
people know about secondary rainbows, there's also a tertiary rainbow on the
other side, looking toward the sun, too faint to usually see. There are mini
rainbows that sometimes form on the interior of the main rainbow. There are
fogbows, caused by scattering in tiny water droplets rather than reflection.
Looking down on a cloud from a plane, or on a dew-covered field, you can
sometimes see a parabolic rainbow. There are dozens of different types of
halos, sometimes when they intersect you can see a "false sun". Sometimes a
halo will have a darkened interior, although atmospheric science can't explain
why. From a mountaintop you can see Brocken's specter with glories (rainbow
around your head's shadow). Sometimes a halo can be elliptical, offset, or
(according to one report) diamond-shaped. None of these can be explained well
(the ellipse can, sort of), but I've seen an offset one, verified by
measurement. The one I really want to see is waves of shadow, like on the
bottom of a pool, during an eclipse.
There's incredible beauty, so often unnoticed, in the sky. Now I wish I had wings.