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Miguel A. González

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Jun 8, 2008, 5:13:53 PM6/8/08
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Went to WalMart yesterday. Have been kind of a occassional barefooter
trying to go barefoot as much as I can. Anyways, had no problem
walking into the store. Problem was pavement in parking lot was
hotter than anticipated. Blistered the bottom of my feet. Question
is, how long does it take to get to the point where you can walk
barefoot on asphalt on a hot summer day without blistering your feet?
Also, should i treat the blisters as 2nd degree burns and let them be
or as "shoe" blisters and drain them?

{:-])))

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Jun 8, 2008, 7:39:48 PM6/8/08
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Miguel wrote:

>Went to WalMart yesterday. Have been kind of a occassional barefooter
>trying to go barefoot as much as I can. Anyways, had no problem
>walking into the store.

That's always good to hear.

> Problem was pavement in parking lot was
>hotter than anticipated. Blistered the bottom of my feet.

Bummer.

> Question
>is, how long does it take to get to the point where you can walk
>barefoot on asphalt on a hot summer day without blistering your feet?

Good question.
Everybody might be different.

If it's going to be above about 85 or so
and I know my feet aren't in great shape
I would hesitate to find out how hot is too hot.

My plan would be to work up to it
and figure it would take as long as it takes.
I'm sure you weren't out for more than a couple
of minutes at most, and that was too long.

I'd want to be walking for periods of time
while the temperature was rising over a period
of spring and on into summer. At least a mile,
probably more, so a good half-hour a day.

Even then, if there's a heat-wave, use caution.

I remember once, back in the last millenium,
walking across a parking lot when it was
over 100 degrees without a problem.

I'd been going barefoot 24/7 for quite a while.
Maybe years. Can't recall. But I was aware
that it was a super hot day and there were no
blisters nor any other bad affects that time.

There was another time, in Yosemite,
during summer, very hot, dusty trail. Even tho I'd
been barefoot for months, running up and down
mountains, in some snow and plenty of heat,
I still ended up burning my heels. After a time
a big slab of skin peeled off. Very strange.

Point being, it's probably possible to find
various limitations at most any time.
Cold as well as hot, wet as well as dry.

>Also, should i treat the blisters as 2nd degree burns and let them be
>or as "shoe" blisters and drain them?

I have no idea.
Not long ago however, I pushed a car
when it was too hot on the street and got a
blister as a reward. I treated it by stringing
a thread thru the skin which allowed it to drain.
It worked for me on that occasion very well
since I needed to wear shoes at work.

Another time I went running on blisters
and ended up grinding dirt into them
which resulted in an infection. Not a good plan.

Usually I tend to drain blisters
and try to keep them clean.

Maybe talk to a pharmacist or doctor
or nurse or some other group with expertise.

Best of luck to ya.

-cheers!

Jeff Jonas

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Jun 10, 2008, 7:14:09 AM6/10/08
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>Usually I tend to drain blisters
>and try to keep them clean.
>Maybe talk to a pharmacist or doctor ...

My hands tend to blister (from eczema)
so I drain the blisters (since the dead skin will never heal anyway)
and use Hydrogen Peroxide to keep them clean (since alcohol stings).

Miguel A. González

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Jun 10, 2008, 9:46:21 AM6/10/08
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Well, the blisters have already subsided. It was mainly the balls of
my feet. My heels were okay. My soles are actually starting to feel
kind of rough.

{:-])))

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Jun 11, 2008, 9:16:27 AM6/11/08
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Miguel wrote:

>Well, the blisters have already subsided. It was mainly the balls of
>my feet. My heels were okay. My soles are actually starting to feel
>kind of rough.

My are leathery.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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Nov 6, 2012, 10:17:34 PM11/6/12
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"Miguel A. González" <miguel....@cox.net> wrote in message
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Replying to a much older thread, but my Usenet provider still has the
article.

On the occasions I have gone barefoot, I find pavement can get really hot
over 90 degrees air temperature and around 2:00pm in the afternoon. I once
or twice toughed it out walking anyway--not running across the hot
pavement--and did get a nice almost quarter size blister right behind the
balls of the feet.

What I noticed: just before the feet blistered, I either felt a sharp
pinching sensation, or I felt a tingling sensation. I found that if I walked
on hot pavement just up to the point of the sharp pinching sensation or the
tingling and then let the feet cool a bit--blisters did not occur, though
there was still a stinging feeling on the soles from them being burned by
hot pavement.

How long does it take to walk on hot asphalt without blistering the feet? In
my experience, it's when the sharp pinching sensation goes away or else the
tingling goes away and blisters do not form.

Time of day, air temperature, and type of surface matters a lot. For
example, one visit to Arizona, I could go barefoot in 105 degrees F at
11:00am because the sidewalks and asphalt had not fully heated up from the
sun, I was also walking on gravel asphalt rather than tarmac type smooth
asphalt. At about 1pm I could really feel the heat on my face, and I knew my
feet could not handle that because sidewalk and asphalt get even hotter than
the air temperature--so I didn't risk blisters, I had flip flops on.
However, one other summer I did achieve a practical limit for me of 97
degrees and 2pm in full summer sun, but that was only walking on hot
pavement for about a two minutes at a time before going to a shade patch or
putting on flip flops. I'm sure if I pushed it that much more, I could have
walked either on the same heat for longer distances or even hotter for
shorter distances.

In any case, practice, practice, practice is the key. On the one occasion I
did barefoot most of that same summer I got to 97 degrees F at 2pm, but
wanted to avoid the hassle of the shoe police in public places, I would have
my flip flops with me in a waistpack (aka "fanny pack") but walk barefoot
mostly outdoors. In the summer, that meant hot sidewalks, hot parking lots,
hotter asphalt walkways, and still even hotter brick surface sidewalks.
Interestingly enough, even wood piers at beaches can get quite hot, about as
hot as asphalt in some cases. In all reality, heat training is more of less
controlled burning of the sole--for me it was to get the feet just hot
enough to get to the sharp pinching or tingling sensation, then stand on the
hot surface for just a little bit longer. If the pinching or tingling
subsided and heat wasn't increasing, it wasn't hot enough to get blisters.
If the pinching or tingling continued and the heat kept increasing, I got
out the flip flops and put them on if a shade patch wasn't close enough.
That said, I don't recommend deliberate blistering of the feet.

Of note, even if the feet don't blister right away, watch out for hot spots.
These are white areas where the rest of the sole may just be a bit red from
walking on hot surfaces. Do pay attention to these hot spots--walking on hot
pavement is not the only way the feet will blister. Something like too long
a walk on just warm enough pavement can also cause hotspots to form
blisters. That only happened to me once and the pavement wasn't even burning
hot, but it was an abrasive sidewalk and I did about a mile worth of
barefoot walking before my feet were ready for it.

Parking lots, asphalt parking lots, swap meets/flea markets, and asphalt
paved bicycle trails are excellent hot-walk training surfaces. For me, it
was walking until it got to that point, then either finding the shade patch
or putting on the flip flops until the urgent burning has gone away. Expect
red soles and dirty soles at the end of the training sessions, and keep an
eye on any hot spots.

Treating the blisters was like second degree burns. For me, I would have to
drain the blisters, wear shoes and socks for at least one to two days until
the blister reattached, and then go barefoot again more carefully on cooler
surfaces. They don't always reattach, and avoid going barefoot in sandy
places after draining the blister to avoid sand getting inside the blister
through the drain hole. After about a week, either the blister has fully
reattached or it has not. If it has not, then I would trim away the blister.
Once the blister was trimmed away, I would take it easy on cooler surfaces
again until the newer skin had toughened up a bit.

More recently, I got away from barefooting for a few years and it's only
practical for me to go barefoot in the evenings. Unfortunately, wearing
shoes does more to undo any barefoot tolerance and toughness than even
wearing just flip flops. But, should I decide to have another barefoot
summer, I'll follow the same guidelines that I posted here. For me, it's
going from smooth sidewalk to rough sidewalk, then from rough sidewalk to
gravel asphalt. Once I can handle rough, and the feet have developed some
discernable callous, then I will start training for hot surfaces.

Hope this helps.

{:-])))

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Nov 7, 2012, 10:42:42 AM11/7/12
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Daniel wrote:
> Miguel had written:
>
>> Question
>> is, how long does it take to get to the point where you can walk
>> barefoot on asphalt on a hot summer day without blistering your feet?
>> Also, ... snip ...
>
> ...
>
>How long does it take to walk on hot asphalt without blistering the feet? In
>my experience, it's when the sharp pinching sensation goes away or else the
>tingling goes away and blisters do not form.

Interesting take on the question!

In my experience, beginning as a kid, we would
see how long we could stand on hot cement
before needing to jump off, onto the lawn.

We tried using ice-cubes too.

Once I began to be a, barefooter,
I don't recall getting blisters. But I do recall
one very hot summer day, up over 110 degrees,
probably in the afternoon, if memory serves,
and being aware of the hot tar asphalt
being very soft underneath my feet.

That was after several years of barefooting.
I was impressed that I could walk a parking lot
without any bad vibes involved at all.

After many more years, there was a time hiking
in the back hills of Yosemite, it was way Way too hot.
Scampering from shade to shade, eventually made it
to the river, and some beers. No problem.

Except, months later slabs of skin peeled off.
I was told that I had burned the soles.

Point being, there are always limits.

I've blistered when it was sub-freezing.

I've gotten blisters when it was too damp,
which really surprised me.

The pinching sensation is a new idea for me.

Thanks Daniel.
I'll try to pay attention to that
next time summer rolls around.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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Feb 14, 2013, 9:54:33 PM2/14/13
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"Miguel A. Gonz�lez" <miguel....@cox.net> wrote in message
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Replying to an older post, but for me it takes about four days to resume
barefooting on the hottest asphalt I can stand.

Day one: I pop the blisters and wear socks around the house, no barefooting
whatsoever, let those blisters heal somewhat.
Day two: I walk barefoot on cooler surfaces such as sidewalk and grass,
avoiding sandy surfaces which can get sand in the blisters.
Day three: I walk barefoot on the hottest sidewalk I can tolerate, still
making sure I am not on the hot asphalt.
Day four: Back on the hottest asphalt I can tolerate--the blistered part of
the sole does not burn, surprisingly.

Fast forward to about day 7: since I find in most cases the blister does not
reattach, it starts peeling away. Careful trimming of the rest of the
blister using nail clippers already shows white callouses on the toughened
skin that was under the blister.

Of course, the ultimate goal is not to blister on the sole; however, in
extra hot peak summer heat (98 degrees F and full summer sun around 3pm), I
also find that walking on extra hot pavement to deliberately until the sole
deliberately blisters--usually just behind the balls of the feet and on the
outside edge of the heels, and once or twice each summer--greatly increases
the amount of heat-proof callouses on the feet to the point where it is
possible to stand on hot asphalt until the soles tingle, but the tingling
also subsides as the feet get used to the heat. Note that I do end the
barefoot session immediately once the soles have blistered--having a car to
drive home is beneficial instead of walking home with blistered soles.

{:-])))

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Feb 15, 2013, 8:21:02 AM2/15/13
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Daniel wrote:

>Replying to an older post, but for me it takes about four days to resume
>barefooting on the hottest asphalt I can stand.
>
>Day one: I pop the blisters and wear socks around the house, no barefooting
>whatsoever, let those blisters heal somewhat.

One hot summer day,
while driving home, barefoot as usual,
there was a car stalled in the street.

Without thinking
I hopped out and began to help push the car
up out of the way of danger. Pushing down
hard on my feet, naturally, in the process.

Got a blister.

An associate told me about a trick.

Use a needle and thread.

Push that all the way thru the blister,
remove the needle leaving the thread
to keep the blister just a tad bit open
allowing it to drain.

Worked very well for me!

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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Feb 15, 2013, 1:34:52 PM2/15/13
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"{:-])))" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote in message
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I have to try that one. I usually carry a first aid kit in my
wallet--nothing more than a couple of band-aids in case of a cut, and a
sewing needle or two in case of a blister. Carrying a bit of thread attached
to a sewing needle is trivial to do.

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Feb 15, 2013, 11:58:21 PM2/15/13
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Daniel wrote:

>... I usually carry a first aid kit in my
>wallet--nothing more than a couple of band-aids in case of a cut, and a
>sewing needle or two in case of a blister. Carrying a bit of thread attached
>to a sewing needle is trivial to do.

One thing I always like to have is a pocket knife
to dig out those little pieces of glass that sneak in,
or the occasional thorn. Usually it's glass that gets me.

I guess a needle would do the trick.
The little knife is handy generally.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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"Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwro...@nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> "{:-])))" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote in message
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>> Daniel wrote:
>>
>>>Replying to an older post, but for me it takes about four days to resume
>>>barefooting on the hottest asphalt I can stand.
>>>
>>>Day one: I pop the blisters and wear socks around the house, no
>>>barefooting
>>>whatsoever, let those blisters heal somewhat.
>>
>> One hot summer day,
>> while driving home, barefoot as usual,
>> there was a car stalled in the street.
>>
>> Without thinking
>> I hopped out and began to help push the car
>> up out of the way of danger. Pushing down
>> hard on my feet, naturally, in the process.
>>
>> Got a blister.
>>
>> An associate told me about a trick.
>>
>> Use a needle and thread.
>>
>> Push that all the way thru the blister,
>> remove the needle leaving the thread
>> to keep the blister just a tad bit open
>> allowing it to drain.
>>
>> Worked very well for me!
>
> I have to try that one. I usually carry a first aid kit in my
> wallet--nothing more than a couple of band-aids in case of a cut, and a
> sewing needle or two in case of a blister. Carrying a bit of thread
> attached to a sewing needle is trivial to do.

Well, the needle and thread trick didn't work so well for me since I got
blisters that already wouldn't reattach (about 1/2 inch on the balls of the
feet right behind the big toe). Of course, as luck would have it, I forgot
my first aid kit at the first sign of a blister.

Instead, I ended up pushing on the blister and draining (with a sterilized
needle) any place the blister swelled up when pressed, after I got home.

Give or take three days or so, after I've cut away the blister, I can walk
on paved surfaces again, just not as rough, until the skin underneath where
the blisters were has toughened up a bit.

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Feb 17, 2013, 8:06:43 AM2/17/13
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Daniel wrote:

>>> Use a needle and thread.
>>>
>>> Push that all the way thru the blister,
>>> remove the needle leaving the thread
>>> to keep the blister just a tad bit open
>>> allowing it to drain.
>>>
>>> Worked very well for me!
>>
>> I have to try that one. I usually carry a first aid kit in my
>> wallet--nothing more than a couple of band-aids in case of a cut, and a
>> sewing needle or two in case of a blister. Carrying a bit of thread
>> attached to a sewing needle is trivial to do.
>
>Well, the needle and thread trick didn't work so well for me since I got
>blisters that already wouldn't reattach (about 1/2 inch on the balls of the
>feet right behind the big toe). Of course, as luck would have it, I forgot
>my first aid kit at the first sign of a blister.
>
>Instead, I ended up pushing on the blister and draining (with a sterilized
>needle) any place the blister swelled up when pressed, after I got home.

The point was to leave the thread
so the blister is able to continually drain
and not keep filling up with fluid.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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"{:-])))" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote in message
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> Daniel wrote:
>> Miguel had written:
>>
>>> Question
>>> is, how long does it take to get to the point where you can walk
>>> barefoot on asphalt on a hot summer day without blistering your feet?
>>> Also, ... snip ...
>>
>> ...
>>
>>How long does it take to walk on hot asphalt without blistering the feet?
>>In
>>my experience, it's when the sharp pinching sensation goes away or else
>>the
>>tingling goes away and blisters do not form.
>
> Interesting take on the question!
>
> In my experience, beginning as a kid, we would
> see how long we could stand on hot cement
> before needing to jump off, onto the lawn.
>
Did that too. Find a hot asphalt section and stand for as long as possible.
This obviously had some amount of wincing and eyes closing as the feet
burned; however, I'd stop before the feet started to tingle. Instead of
lawn, though, it would always be at least a sidewalk--sometimes a brick
sidewalk so that the asphalt was cooler the next time I stood on it. I also
recall seeing one barefooter standing on the hot asphalt, the when it got
too hot they sort of stomped out the heat on the sidewalk by alternating
stomping feet up and down.

Walking was a different issue, I'd walk until the feet started to tingle.
But for that, I would always have flip-flops with me to stand on should a
shade patch be too far away.

> We tried using ice-cubes too.
>
Not much for cold-footing below 40 degrees F.

Of note: blistered part of the balls of the feet behind the big toe walking
on sharper pavement too quickly. Wearing shoes and socks, it took more than
10 days for the blistered area to start healing after the blistered skin was
trimmed away. Barefoot, it takes less than a week.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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"{:-])))" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote in message
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I get it now. I think I waited for draining the blister already, before
using that method. The key, if I understand, is to needle and thread the
blister once formed, right? I can carry needle and thread in a basic
barefoot first aid kit, along with some tweezers and band-aids.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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"{:-])))" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote in message
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> Daniel wrote:
>
>>... I usually carry a first aid kit in my
>>wallet--nothing more than a couple of band-aids in case of a cut, and a
>>sewing needle or two in case of a blister. Carrying a bit of thread
>>attached
>>to a sewing needle is trivial to do.
>
> One thing I always like to have is a pocket knife
> to dig out those little pieces of glass that sneak in,
> or the occasional thorn. Usually it's glass that gets me.
>
Glass isn't a huge problem for me. I regulary practice on broken glass
bottles shards and shattered safety glass from cars.

> I guess a needle would do the trick.
> The little knife is handy generally.

Or tweezers.

{:-])))

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Daniel wrote:
> {:-]))) wrote:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>
>>>Replying to an older post, but for me it takes about four days to resume
>>>barefooting on the hottest asphalt I can stand.
>>>
>>>Day one: I pop the blisters and wear socks around the house, no
>>>barefooting whatsoever, let those blisters heal somewhat.

Sounds wise.
Good idea.

>> One hot summer day,
>> while driving home, barefoot as usual,
>> there was a car stalled in the street.
>>
>> Without thinking
>> I hopped out and began to help push the car
>> up out of the way of danger. Pushing down
>> hard on my feet, naturally, in the process.
>>
>> Got a blister.
>>
>> An associate told me about a trick.
>>
>> Use a needle and thread.
>>
>> Push that all the way thru the blister,
>> remove the needle leaving the thread
>> to keep the blister just a tad bit open
>> allowing it to drain.
>>
>> Worked very well for me!
>
>I get it now. I think I waited for draining the blister already, before
>using that method. The key, if I understand, is to needle and thread the
>blister once formed, right? I can carry needle and thread in a basic
>barefoot first aid kit, along with some tweezers and band-aids.

In my experience,
the blister made it difficult to stand.
And the work I was doing required standing.

My friend went to her locker, gave me a needle
and a short piece of thread.

I poked the blister with the needle
and threaded the thread through the blister.

Then I removed the needle from the thread
allowing the thread to remain.

In two places, two holes,
with a thread running through the blister,
essentially keeping the blister open
in those two places, to drain.

I was wearing shoes and socks.

No idea how it would work in the dirt.
Might be a good idea, or not.

Depends on if the blister tore off
or got infected in the process.

I've walked many miles in the mountains
after developing blisters which popped.

Later on, back at home,
washing them out, good and clean,
and keeping the feet elevated, has helped
to not get infections, swelling, etc.

I'd avoid blisters if possible.
Sometimes I'm too stupid and/or stubborn.
Tending to push beyond my limit,
never knowing where it is.

Such is how things go
for me as a barefooter.

{:-])))

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Daniel wrote:
> {:-]))) wrote:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>
>>>... I usually carry a first aid kit in my
>>>wallet--nothing more than a couple of band-aids in case of a cut, and a
>>>sewing needle or two in case of a blister. Carrying a bit of thread
>>>attached
>>>to a sewing needle is trivial to do.
>>
>> One thing I always like to have is a pocket knife
>> to dig out those little pieces of glass that sneak in,
>> or the occasional thorn. Usually it's glass that gets me.
>>
>Glass isn't a huge problem for me. I regulary practice on broken glass
>bottles shards and shattered safety glass from cars.
>
>> I guess a needle would do the trick.
>> The little knife is handy generally.
>
>Or tweezers.

In my experience,
the little tiny pieces of glass
that are impossible to see
but which get stuck
are easier to remove with a knife,
or a needle. Carrying a small pocket knife
has served me very well many times.

Those little tiny pieces of glass
are too small for tweezers and too deep.

Sometimes I can work the skin
and the glass or thorn pops out.
But not always. Sometimes it takes
a bit of digging down to get at them.

Sometimes there's nothing there
but it feels like there is.

Then I end up with a hole
and a feeling for a spell.

Until it goes away.
However long that may be.
Then I feel stupid too.

Sometimes I wonder about myself.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

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[snip...]
> I'd avoid blisters if possible.
> Sometimes I'm too stupid and/or stubborn.
> Tending to push beyond my limit,
> never knowing where it is.
>
> Such is how things go
> for me as a barefooter.

Yep, but heat or friction blisters are the last thing I have to get my feet
used to. I prefer not to get them either, since that ends the barefoot
session for the rest of the day (for me, anyway).

That said, I am well aware that I may blister one to two times on abrasive
surfaces, and up to three or four times on the hottest of surfaces to walk
on that are beyond my tolerance.

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