Halloween, Ancient Night of Terror

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Mildred

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  It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a small group of costumed figures move from house to house stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.

Perhaps in no other Christianized celebration does Satan so blatantly honor himself and memorialize his war dead. The writer J. Garnier suggests that celebrations of suffering and death can be traced back to the ancient destruction of all of his human followers, as well as the hybrid sons of fallen angels, at the time of the Flood. Cultures the world over have festivals for the dead, "held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz.,

the seventeenth day of the second month
, the month nearly corresponding with our November." The Worship of the Dead, by J. Garnier.

The Druids were no exception. On October 31, Samhain was said to release the spirits of the dead to mingle with the living. Druids roamed the streets with lanterns, and on coming to a house, they demanded money as an offering for Satan.

Halloween is a major satanic ritual day. "It’s a religious holiday for the underworld, with satanists performing sacrifices and witches quietly celebrating with prayer circles or meals for the dead," according to a USA Today  article. It quoted Washington witch Bryan Jordan as saying, "Christians don’t realize it, but they’re celebrating our holiday with us. We like it." Parents, do you want your children imitating these sinister rituals? Agape, Mildred
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John S. McEnery

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Oh Mildred !...believe it if you wish...but some of us dont see it that way at all
John
 
 

Krystal

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Are you serious?
 
"witches quietly celebrating with prayer circles or meals for the dead" is a "sinister ritual"?
 
Druids and Satan in the same sentence?  Druids don't believe in Satan.
 
Where did you find this ... er .... umm ...stuff.
 
Try these:
 
This post looks more like flame bait than anything else.

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John S. McEnery

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Krystal...save me some looking up...do you remember any of the personifications of the "Goddess of Discard"
It would appear that maybe she is being worshipped buy some who claim to abhor "all other gods" (g)
John

Marylyn

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I'm curious Mildred... who are you trying to reach with this <ahem> "evangelism"?  The Christians who do social things on October 31, Satanists, or modern-day Druids?  It seems to me you've probably succeeded in insulting all three groups with this jumble of fact and fiction, so if any of them were your target I suspect they aren't listening to you anymore.
  It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a small group of costumed figures move from house to house stating their demands with dire threats.
(snip)

Krystal

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The Goddess of Discard" , patron Goddess of bagladies, has the appearance of being dressed out of a second-hand store.  She is always leaving things behind. She is worshipped in a junkyard within a henge of wrecked cars.  An old dryer is Heralterstone  and Her supplicants should chant "What are you hanging on to that old thing for?" under a waning moon.  Sacrifice an old VCR for her to grant your fondest wish.

Or maybe you meant
Eris
AKA Discordia, Isis, Kali, Whore of Babylon, False (or "Bloody") Virgin Mary, Nuit, Aphrodite, Sakti, Your Mamma, Mummuu, Ishtar, Inanna, Artemis, "Ma"
 Rebel Goddess. Goddess of Chaos. Ex-wife of JHVH-1. Mother, with JHVH, of the twin sisters, Nunu and Narnini, and possibly Bohandas.
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Krystal MoonGryphon
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"We learn from history that we don't learn from history."
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John S. McEnery

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Yeah...her (g)
John
The Goddess of Discard" , patron Goddess of bagladies, has the appearance of being dressed out of a second-hand store.  She is always leaving things behind. She is worshipped in a junkyard within a henge of wrecked cars.  An old dryer is Heralterstone  and Her supplicants should chant "What are you hanging on to that old thing for?" under a waning moon.  Sacrifice an old VCR for her to grant your fondest wish.

Or maybe you meant
Eris
AKA Discordia, Isis, Kali, Whore of Babylon, False (or "Bloody") Virgin Mary, Nuit, Aphrodite, Sakti, Your Mamma, Mummuu, Ishtar, Inanna, Artemis, "Ma"
 Rebel Goddess. Goddess of Chaos. Ex-wife of JHVH-1. Mother, with JHVH, of the twin sisters, Nunu and Narnini, and possibly Bohandas.
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Krystal MoonGryphon
kry...@zipcon.net
"We learn from history that we don't learn from history."
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Marylyn

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Thanks Krystal... you made me laugh <g>.
The Goddess of Discard" , patron Goddess of bagladies, has the appearance of being dressed out of a second-hand store.  She is always leaving things behind. She is worshipped in a junkyard within a henge of wrecked cars.  An old dryer is Heralterstone  and Her supplicants should chant "What are you hanging on to that old thing for?" under a waning moon.  Sacrifice an old VCR for her to grant your fondest wish.
(snip)

Chovhani

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{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Krystal}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} <G>

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"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at war..." - Steve Harley
The Goddess of Discard" , patron Goddess of bagladies, has the appearance of being dressed out of a second-hand store.  She is always leaving things behind. She is worshipped in a junkyard within a henge of wrecked cars.  An old dryer is Heralterstone  and Her supplicants should chant "What are you hanging on to that old thing for?" under a waning moon.  Sacrifice an old VCR for her to grant your fondest wish.

Or maybe you meant
Eris
AKA Discordia, Isis, Kali, Whore of Babylon, False (or "Bloody") Virgin Mary, Nuit, Aphrodite, Sakti, Your Mamma, Mummuu, Ishtar, Inanna, Artemis, "Ma"
 Rebel Goddess. Goddess of Chaos. Ex-wife of JHVH-1. Mother, with JHVH, of the twin sisters, Nunu and Narnini, and possibly Bohandas.
--
Krystal MoonGryphon
kry...@zipcon.net
"We learn from history that we don't learn from history."
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Chovhani

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Oh, ow, ow it hurts...oh ho....I haven't laughed so much in a long time!!!!!!
 
OK, so much nonsense there it's not even worth starting but just one teensy snippet for your editors:
 
Samhain, pronounced sowen in Irish Gaelic, and savin in Scots Gaelic means "End of Summer". It isn't anyone's name, if it was, I'd know, trust me, I'm a expert on Celtic deities:) At Samhain (the last harvest) the Summer half of the year ends and the Winter half begins. Ta da.
 
My opinion on the commercialised silliness of the modern American Halloween is another matter, and I'll discuss it nearer the time.....

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Melanie aka Chovhani
 
"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at war..." - Steve Harley

Karyn Carlo

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Apparently The Watchtower does not have Pagans on its editorial board.
Karyn

John S. McEnery

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FOMCSTCROTFLMSAO!!!!!
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Karyn Carlo <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Apparently The Watchtower does not have Pagans on its
editorial board.
Karyn
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Chovhani

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LOL! No I guess not! But that's OK. At least JW kids don't interrupt my sacred Samhain ritual with trick or treat calls:)

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"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at war..." - Steve Harley
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Apparently The Watchtower does not have Pagans on its editorial board.
Karyn

John S. McEnery

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No...that's right...they send their parents to stand...oh well....
(g)
John
 
LOL! No I guess not! But that's OK. At least JW kids don't interrupt my sacred Samhain ritual with trick or treat calls:)

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Melanie aka Chovhani
 
"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at war..." - Steve Harley
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Apparently The Watchtower does not have Pagans on its editorial board.
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Dennis Lomenzo

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Mildred
 
Halloween is to Easter as pumpkins are to rabbits.
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Dennis

John S. McEnery

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Exactly.....and they have as much connection with the celebrations as a cartoon does with reality.
and they're fun
John
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Marylyn

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In our town there's a rule that those who want kids to stop will leave their porch lights on, so kids know better than to knock on the doors where there's no light : )

Meggie

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It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a
small group of costumed figures move from house to house
stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some
doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning
candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human
blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.

*******
<bangs head, rather loudly and obnoxiously on the wall, next
to Mildred>

this is why I asked of you were joking in the other post...
and this is why we are talking about those that "just don't
get it"

Mildred...this information is soooooo wrong its absolutely
ridiculous..

Also, for many Pagans, Wiccans and other EarthBased folk
this holiday is very sacred.

This smacks of a Chick Tract and we all know that Jack Chick
was completely and absolutely wrong in his knowledge of
other religions.

Mildred... this is the 4th Samhain, or Halloween, if you
prefer that we've known each other.. every year you post
this bullshit and every year you are taught the truth of the
matter, but you continue to disbelieve those that are
speaking the truth.

Now, speaking for myself I've sought to learn and understand
the misunderstanding of YOUR beliefs... yet you choose not
to do the same.

<sigh>

Meggie

Meggie

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I'm curious Mildred... who are you trying to reach with this
<ahem> "evangelism"? The Christians who do social things on
October 31, Satanists, or modern-day Druids? It seems to me
you've probably succeeded in insulting all three groups with
this jumble of fact and fiction, so if any of them were your
target I suspect they aren't listening to you anymore.

*****
I am personally not offended, but saddened that we've spent
so many seasons and years talking of our beliefs and that
Mildred still thinks that those things are true and that
people that are not JW are still so 'evil'..

If some one else who was not a beloved member of our group,
like a flamer, posted it, I'd laugh it off... <shakes head>

Meggie

Meggie

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Apparently The Watchtower does not have Pagans on its
editorial board.

*****
ROFLMAO

Ape

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Meggie,
This looks similar to some of Mildred's other posts, written to be dropped
in several forums, not specifically this one. ..
Ape

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John S. McEnery

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It was....

tim

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Did this really come from the "onion"????  You can not possibly be serious.  The Christians don't like Halloween because it is virtually the only holiday they could not steal and rewrite for their own uses.  Almost all Christian holidays are taken directly from "pagan" (now meaning anything not Christian)  holidays (holy days).  Even Christmas was ripped off from Mithra.  Mithra was born on 25DEC, his followers called each other brother, the priestly symbols were a staff, a ring, a hat, and a hooked sword, priest were called father.  The sacrament included wine symbolizing blood, bread in small wafers marked with a cross symbolized flesh.  Mithra was worshiped worldwide 3500 years ago.  Many of the Irish saints are versions of the old gods and goddesses.  The list is endless.
 
Many of my friends are Wiccan (even my brother)  None of them I know are Satanist.  Satan is a part of Christianity you know.  Also I think very few Wiccans eat people on a regular basis.  (oh get your mind out of the gutter I don't mean that kind of eat)
 
The silly commercialism of modern Halloween should offend no one.  I'm 35 and will be trick or treating with my kids.  I will be dressed as Death  (gasp) and I hope to get a lot of chocolate!!!!  Lighten people and enjoy life.

--
tim
 
  It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a small group of costumed figures move from house to house stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.

Perhaps in no other Christianized celebration does Satan so blatantly honor himself and memorialize his war dead. The writer J. Garnier suggests that celebrations of suffering and death can be traced back to the ancient destruction of all of his human followers, as well as the hybrid sons of fallen angels, at the time of the Flood. Cultures the world over have festivals for the dead, "held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz.,

the seventeenth day of the second month
, the month nearly corresponding with our November." The Worship of the Dead, by J. Garnier.

The Druids were no exception. On October 31, Samhain was said to release the spirits of the dead to mingle with the living. Druids roamed the streets with lanterns, and on coming to a house, they demanded money as an offering for Satan.

tim

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I just reread my post.  I hope it does not sound too anti Christian.  I am not at all anti Christian I am just tired of hearing the same load of crap every Halloween.  Lets just all go trick or treating together so I can talk you out of your chocolate.
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tim

Marylyn

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Thanks Tim.  I hope you've noticed that only one posted that stuff, and there are other Christians here, all of whom have voiced disagreement with it.
 
BTW, what server do you use to get to this ng?  If you don't mind saying...

John S. McEnery

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tim:
You'd be surprised how many Christians are just as tired of that silly crap as are you......but one person's crap is another's manure  and compost ...so......
 
Mildred and her co-religionists can believe as she and they wish and I.............. will dress my porch as the "eerie card game" with heads coming out of the table, hands of cards which live on their own and nice orange and red  and yellow lighting, ghosts on the lawn and spiders hanging from the trees and the neighborhood kids will arrive and collect their loot and will know that there's another house that thinks their fun is important and enjoys their coming..
John
..........................................
I just reread my post.  I hope it does not sound too anti Christian.  I am not at all anti Christian I am just tired of hearing the same load of crap every Halloween.  Lets just all go trick or treating together so I can talk you out of your chocolate.
--
tim

Meggie

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Did this really come from the "onion"???? You can not
possibly be serious

****
Tim... Mildred is a Jehovah's Witness...and no, this
information did not come from the Onion...

Her post is a blatant out and out slander.

I don't think that there is even a shred of truth.. and she
knows that,

Meggie

Meggie

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This looks similar to some of Mildred's other posts, written
to be dropped
in several forums, not specifically this one. ..

*****
perhaps, but the fact that she dropped it any where makes me
sad. I don't expect her to change her beliefs, but I would
think that she'd have learned the truth of Samhain or other
Pagan holidays...

but then again, her religion teaches her that all holidays
are bad...

Meggie

Dennis Lomenzo

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Tim
 
"Lighten people and enjoy life"
 
Now that's my religion !!!!

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Dennis

Dennis Lomenzo

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Meggie

She is not alone here. I used to have great Halloween party then the
'Christian's all stopped coming in a single year. Seems this worthy cause
ran thought the Christian community and all us Halloween people were the
devil. If they only knew how silly this looked, but heck it if sells their
cause why not. No big deal.

Now 'they' do a festival thing. Costumes are Ok but some are forbidden.

--
Dennis

Chovhani

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Don't worry love, she doesn't even write them herself. They are tracts for
distribution. We still love her:)

--
Melanie aka Chovhani

"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at
war..." - Steve Harley

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> Meggie,

> This looks similar to some of Mildred's other posts, written to be dropped
> in several forums, not specifically this one. ..

> Ape

Chovhani

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Exactly. I could have pointed out that is was a sacred holy day...but..well
you know!

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Melanie aka Chovhani

"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at
war..." - Steve Harley

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> This looks similar to some of Mildred's other posts, written
> to be dropped
> in several forums, not specifically this one. ..
>

Chovhani

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Well you know your stuff!!!!! Actually this Pagan doesn't trick or treat, but it's not out of offence, although I could be offended. It's because my kids don't do any of the North American Candyfests...party pooper that I am:)

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Melanie aka Chovhani
 
"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at war..." - Steve Harley

tim

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I use Internet America (a local Dallas TX co.) they provide my mail and news.  I have no idea what server it would be.
Thanks Tim.  I hope you've noticed that only one posted that stuff, and there are other Christians here, all of whom have voiced disagreement with it.
 
BTW, what server do you use to get to this ng?  If you don't mind saying...

Chovhani

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Same advice is given round here! Trouble is Marylyn that part of the Samhain celebration is that we fill the place with light! We have candles in all the windows, lanterns on the porch, you name it. It's a festival of light:) Plus now we live in the country we do a HUGE bonfire. Well this year I'll be at Nola's, so my husband can smile, wave and ignore the callers.....

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"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at war..." - Steve Harley

Chovhani

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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<passes tea to Meggie>

We'll be together this Samhain, if you can make it to Nola's, we can forget
all about the silly paranoids and celebrate the way friends do:)

--
Melanie aka Chovhani

"Softly Lautrec, she whispered in awe, build me a picture of children at
war..." - Steve Harley

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> It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a
> small group of costumed figures move from house to house
> stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some
> doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning
> candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human
> blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.
>

Marylyn

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Must be where you live or something Dennis, because around here some Christians do and some don't.  We used to have a bash that the whole town was invited to, though I did ask that people not portray blood, gore or evil when they came.  We served several hundred people throughout the night -- handing out buckets of candy, roasted marshmallows and hot dogs (roasted over a wonderful fire) to invited guests, drop-ins and trick or treaters... guitar music, singing folk songs... maybe a bit of Credence or Tina Turner... It was a lot of fun, and our crowd was probably equally mixed -- Christian and non-christian.  Why, we've even had Buddhists, Sikhs, New Agers, (hmmmm... who else?) join us.  A truly "all-faith" type party : )
 
We stopped having it a couple of years ago because I was too sick to do it.  I've been thinking about a revival though... maybe next year. 
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Ape

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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  Another issue about Halloween; I once heard that it was once celebrated as All Souls Day by the Catholic Church. ..
  Ape
You are right, all of the holidays that you mention and more comes from pagan origin, that is why some, about 6 million don't celebrate them. Agape, Mildred

Marylyn

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Sheesh Mildred... some Christians like red and others like blue.  I don't find differences like which holidays one chooses to recognize to be a lack of unity (unless someone wants to make them that), but rather a diversity caused by different cultures or understanding.  There is unity in recognizing Jesus is Lord, I know because I've found it with many who are very different than I am on various points of our faith.  I don't fight with John about transubstantiation, nor with Karyn about her view on homosexuality; I don't fight with Mary B. over her insistence that if we're sick it's because we aren't walking in "Divine Health", or with Full Cloud or Liz about how they see the Trinity... and I could go on and on, making a list of people here online and in real-time too that I don't dispute doctrine with.  We all agree that Jesus is Lord and that's where true unity is found IMO.    
So do and some don't?? Aren't Christians suppose to be in unity. Something is not right. Agape, Mildred

Meggie

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Meg, I don't think that you are evil, as a matter of fact,
I don't
think anyone here is evil. Agape, Mildred

*****
Well, then, why do you post these lies then?

Meggie

Meggie

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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Are you using that language with me? Agape, Mildred

*****
Well, Mildred... your post invoked a response from me that
rarely happens in this newsgroup.. it was a bold lie,
hurtful and completely bullshit. I calls 'em as I see's
em...

If another JW whom we did not know spewed that garbage, I'd
kindly show them the truth, not that they'd listen to me,
but the fact that you know what you posted is not true,
either that or you either think that the Pagans and Witches
that you know are lying to you or you don't listen to what
we say... something is rotten in Denmark.

I guess I just thought that we'd accomplished things
here... and it made me very sad to see such a slanderous
post by some one who knows better.

I am very aware that we've not reached the 'all faiths
unity' that some of us have been striving for... but this
was a major step back ward.

I wish that you'd do the honorable thing and cancel your
message.

Meggie

Meggie

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<passes tea to Meggie>

We'll be together this Samhain, if you can make it to
Nola's, we can forget
all about the silly paranoids and celebrate the way friends
do:

*******8
Sips tea... yes, that sounds fun... I am planning on
it... Goddess willing and the creek don't rise :))

Marylyn

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Aha, so that would be through your local ISP, like what Meggie and Shauna have described to us.  I was hoping you might be here through a public server we all could access.  Thanks : )

Marylyn

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Yes, that would certainly attract the kids.

Mildred

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So do and some don't?? Aren't Christians suppose to be in unity. Something is not right. Agape, Mildred

Mildred

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Did you say that right? Agape, Mildred
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Mildred
 
Halloween is to Easter as pumpkins are to rabbits.
--
Dennis
  It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a small group of costumed figures move from house to house stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.

Perhaps in no other Christianized celebration does Satan so blatantly honor himself and memorialize his war dead. The writer J. Garnier suggests that celebrations of suffering and death can be traced back to the ancient destruction of all of his human followers, as well as the hybrid sons of fallen angels, at the time of the Flood. Cultures the world over have festivals for the dead, "held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz.,

the seventeenth day of the second month
, the month nearly corresponding with our November." The Worship of the Dead, by J. Garnier.

The Druids were no exception. On October 31, Samhain was said to release the spirits of the dead to mingle with the living. Druids roamed the streets with lanterns, and on coming to a house, they demanded money as an offering for Satan.

Halloween is a major satanic ritual day. "It’s a religious holiday for the underworld, with satanists performing sacrifices and witches quietly celebrating with prayer circles or meals for the dead," according to a USA Today  article. It quoted Washington witch Bryan Jordan as saying, "Christians don’t realize it, but they’re celebrating our holiday with us. We like it." Parents, do you want your children imitating these sinister rituals? Agape, Mildred
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Mildred

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That is so true !! Agape, Mildred
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Apparently The Watchtower does not have Pagans on its editorial board.
Karyn
Oh, ow, ow it hurts...oh ho....I haven't laughed so much in a long time!!!!!!
 
OK, so much nonsense there it's not even worth starting but just one teensy snippet for your editors:
 
Samhain, pronounced sowen in Irish Gaelic, and savin in Scots Gaelic means "End of Summer". It isn't anyone's name, if it was, I'd know, trust me, I'm a expert on Celtic deities:) At Samhain (the last harvest) the Summer half of the year ends and the Winter half begins. Ta da.
 
My opinion on the commercialised silliness of the modern American Halloween is another matter, and I'll discuss it nearer the time.....

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Meg, I don't think that you are evil, as a matter of fact, I don't
think anyone here is evil. Agape, Mildred

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Mildred

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Are you using that language with me? Agape, Mildred

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> It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a
> small group of costumed figures move from house to house
> stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some
> doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning
> candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human
> blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.
>

Mildred

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You are right, all of the holidays that you mention and more comes from pagan origin, that is why some, about 6 million don't celebrate them. Agape, Mildred
Did this really come from the "onion"????  You can not possibly be serious.  The Christians don't like Halloween because it is virtually the only holiday they could not steal and rewrite for their own uses.  Almost all Christian holidays are taken directly from "pagan" (now meaning anything not Christian)  holidays (holy days).  Even Christmas was ripped off from Mithra.  Mithra was born on 25DEC, his followers called each other brother, the priestly symbols were a staff, a ring, a hat, and a hooked sword, priest were called father.  The sacrament included wine symbolizing blood, bread in small wafers marked with a cross symbolized flesh.  Mithra was worshiped worldwide 3500 years ago.  Many of the Irish saints are versions of the old gods and goddesses.  The list is endless.
 
Many of my friends are Wiccan (even my brother)  None of them I know are Satanist.  Satan is a part of Christianity you know.  Also I think very few Wiccans eat people on a regular basis.  (oh get your mind out of the gutter I don't mean that kind of eat)
 
The silly commercialism of modern Halloween should offend no one.  I'm 35 and will be trick or treating with my kids.  I will be dressed as Death  (gasp) and I hope to get a lot of chocolate!!!!  Lighten people and enjoy life.

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  It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a small group of costumed figures move from house to house stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.

Perhaps in no other Christianized celebration does Satan so blatantly honor himself and memorialize his war dead. The writer J. Garnier suggests that celebrations of suffering and death can be traced back to the ancient destruction of all of his human followers, as well as the hybrid sons of fallen angels, at the time of the Flood. Cultures the world over have festivals for the dead, "held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz.,

the seventeenth day of the second month
, the month nearly corresponding with our November." The Worship of the Dead, by J. Garnier.

The Druids were no exception. On October 31, Samhain was said to release the spirits of the dead to mingle with the living. Druids roamed the streets with lanterns, and on coming to a house, they demanded money as an offering for Satan.

Halloween is a major satanic ritual day. "It’s a religious holiday for the underworld, with satanists performing sacrifices and witches quietly celebrating with prayer circles or meals for the dead," according to a USA Today  article. It quoted Washington witch Bryan Jordan as saying, "Christians don’t realize it, but they’re celebrating our holiday with us. We like it." Parents, do you want your children imitating these sinister rituals? Agape, Mildred
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Mildred

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tim:
You'd be surprised how many Christians are just as tired of that silly crap as are you......but one person's crap is another's manure  and compost ...so......
 
Mildred and her co-religionists can believe as she and they wish and I.............. will dress my porch as the "eerie card game" with heads coming out of the table, hands of cards which live on their own and nice orange and red  and yellow lighting, ghosts on the lawn and spiders hanging from the trees and the neighborhood kids will arrive and collect their loot and will know that there's another house that thinks their fun is important and enjoys their coming..
John
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I just reread my post.  I hope it does not sound too anti Christian.  I am not at all anti Christian I am just tired of hearing the same load of crap every Halloween.  Lets just all go trick or treating together so I can talk you out of your chocolate.
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John S. McEnery

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Not unity in man-made error...Christians and all mankind for all of that...should be united in Truth.
John
So do and some don't?? Aren't Christians suppose to be in unity. Something is not right. Agape, Mildred

John S. McEnery

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All of my ancestors came from pagan origins...do I have to
die to avoid being one of their descendents?
Huh !!!
John
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John S. McEnery

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Ape
"Halloween" is the eve of All Saints Day (Hallow = holy;
een= from evening)...and as such falls on October
31...November 1 is All Saints day ( since being set by Pope
Gregory IV in 835 AD)and November 2 is All Souls day (it
originated as a continuation of as memorial to all of the
faithful departed in 998AD by St. Odilo and was formalized
by Rome in the 14th Century.
The only connection between Halloween and All Souls Day is
the fact that All Souls day started as a pious memorial to
those departed who were not recognized, officially, as
Saints and appended to All Saints Day.
That, and the fact that it is my most favorite daughter-in
Law's birthday and she is a very good Soul and we always
celebrate her birthday two days early with a Halloween cake
and Orange Sherbert.
John
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Another issue about Halloween; I once heard that it was
once celebrated as All Souls Day by the Catholic Church. ..
Ape
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You are right, all of the holidays that you mention and more
comes from pagan origin, that is why some, about 6 million
don't celebrate them. Agape, Mildred

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John S. McEnery

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Well said......
Sheesh Mildred... some Christians like red and others like blue.  I don't find differences like which holidays one chooses to recognize to be a lack of unity (unless someone wants to make them that), but rather a diversity caused by different cultures or understanding.  There is unity in recognizing Jesus is Lord, I know because I've found it with many who are very different than I am on various points of our faith.  I don't fight with John about transubstantiation, nor with Karyn about her view on homosexuality; I don't fight with Mary B. over her insistence that if we're sick it's because we aren't walking in "Divine Health", or with Full Cloud or Liz about how they see the Trinity... and I could go on and on, making a list of people here online and in real-time too that I don't dispute doctrine with.  We all agree that Jesus is Lord and that's where true unity is found IMO.    

John S. McEnery

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If she isn't...she should...you do show an extreme lack of sensitivity to the feelings of others in insisting on using such attacks on their beliefs, year after year, holiday after holiday,....one might think that you were trying to get people to hold the Witnesses in contempt for their lack of Christian love.
John
 
Are you using that language with me? Agape, Mildred

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> It is the last night of October. By the light of the moon, a
> small group of costumed figures move from house to house
> stating their demands with dire threats. Guarding some
> doorsteps are grimacing pumpkin heads glowing with burning
> candles made from human fat. Other doors drip with human
> blood. It is the night of Samhain, Celtic lord of the dead.
>

Meggie

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Not unity in man-made error...Christians and all mankind for
all of that...should be united in Truth.

******
oooohhhhhhh.... that gave me goose bumps it was so good :))
hard part though is what's true and what's not... but this,
I feel, is our work here :)

Meggie

Meggie

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If she isn't...she should...you do show an extreme lack of
sensitivity to the feelings of others in insisting on using
such attacks on their beliefs, year after year, holiday
after holiday,....one might think that you were trying to
get people to hold the Witnesses in contempt for their lack
of Christian love.

******
one also might think that she's trying to sway us, by
intimidation, threats and lies to become a JW....

Not that it would every work in a million years... but
that's the only reason I can see for the posts.

Meggie

Chovhani

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Real Witches can be booked you know, call my agent Manny.......

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Chovhani

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Sounds like that was copied from Samhain too then <ouch>. It's the day we
remember all those who are departed. The family albums come out etc.

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war..." - Steve Harley

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> Ape
> "Halloween" is the eve of All Saints Day (Hallow = holy;
> een= from evening)...and as such falls on October
> 31...November 1 is All Saints day ( since being set by Pope
> Gregory IV in 835 AD)and November 2 is All Souls day (it
> originated as a continuation of as memorial to all of the
> faithful departed in 998AD by St. Odilo and was formalized
> by Rome in the 14th Century.
> The only connection between Halloween and All Souls Day is
> the fact that All Souls day started as a pious memorial to
> those departed who were not recognized, officially, as
> Saints and appended to All Saints Day.
> That, and the fact that it is my most favorite daughter-in
> Law's birthday and she is a very good Soul and we always
> celebrate her birthday two days early with a Halloween cake
> and Orange Sherbert.
> John
> .........................
>
>
>
>
> Ape <Naked...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:7sf0bm$qis$1...@fu-berlin.de...

> Another issue about Halloween; I once heard that it was
> once celebrated as All Souls Day by the Catholic Church. ..
> Ape
> Mildred <-mcl...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:7sf049$qfe$1...@fu-berlin.de...
> You are right, all of the holidays that you mention and more
> comes from pagan origin, that is why some, about 6 million
> don't celebrate them. Agape, Mildred
>
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