02/02/2000 and 29/02/2000.
Peter H.M. Brooks
the day the change from the year 1999 to 2000 occurred was considered
quite an interesting and important day to many - even though it ended up
being more of a damp squib than a day to remember for ever.
It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
I am not sure quite how it is best described, but the pattern was last
matched on the 1st January 1000. It isn't palindromic, as 02/02/2020
will be, which isn't that long to wait [or, for that matter the 10th
February 2001, or even the 11th February 2011]. But shouldn't
numerologist types be worrying about its symmetry anyway?
Anyway, even if it these are dates that you consider as common as muck,
I think it pleasing to have this consequence of the months being modulo
twelve, the days being modulo thirty oneish and it being early in the
century.
Probably the more interesting day this month is the 29th February, which
will be the first leap day at the start of a century since 1600 - I
wonder if anybody knows what was going on then.
Anyway, I think that I will take the 29th off, and have a party, after
all, it has taken four hundred years to accumulate enough time to have
the day, so one might as well take full advantage of it - it is a week
day too, so, if not too many people notice the significance of the day,
it should be an ideal time for a party.
--
Peter H.M. Brooks
'Use Hume, the brain conditioner that will give your brain more body
bounce and lift, banishing the nasty wrinkles, snags and frayed ends
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Shiraz
> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
--
~
Shiraz
Smudge
>
>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
Not another one of those days when the world was supposed to end?
(I've missed the rest of this thread, presumably due to KF rules.)
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Malcolm Ogilvie
writes
>Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>
Cue for long (and repeat) discussion as to whether zero is an even
number and what you mean by numbers.
2000 is an even number but 0 on its own isn't.
--
Malcolm
support
>
> Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
> > Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
> > It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>
> It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
> ~
> Shiraz
Interestingly, or not, the numerical root of both 28/8/888 and 2/2/2000
is 6
Reputed to be a number of balance and harmony. Is anybody feeling
particularly well adjusted today? Perhaps I'll get home and hear on the
news that The Russians have given back Grozni to the citizens, or that
Slobadan Milosevic is resigning from office.
--
Roger Tattersall
Sally Hannington
>Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>
>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
Assuming that zero is an even number - where the mathematicians when you
need them?
Interesting, the last odd day, 19/11/1999 until 3111 was the day a
friend of mine got married (for the third time). I hope it is third
time lucky.
--
Cheers, Sally
Richard Robinson
>In article <879jbi$t1a$1...@supernews.com>, Shiraz <sue.m...@lineone.net>
>writes
>>Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>>
>>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
>
>number and what you mean by numbers.
>
>2000 is an even number but 0 on its own isn't.
But 0 doesn't appear on its own in any dates.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
Malcolm Ogilvie
<ric...@beulah.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <cZ5kuVBD...@indaal.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
>>In article <879jbi$t1a$1...@supernews.com>, Shiraz <sue.m...@lineone.net>
>>writes
>>>Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>>> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>>>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>>>
>>>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
>>
>>Cue for long (and repeat) discussion as to whether zero is an even
>>number and what you mean by numbers.
>>
>>2000 is an even number but 0 on its own isn't.
>
>But 0 doesn't appear on its own in any dates.
>
--
Malcolm
Malcolm Ogilvie
<Sa...@hannington1.demon.co.uk> writes
>Shiraz <sue.m...@lineone.net> writes
>>Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>>
>>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
>
>need them?
An even number is divisible by 2. And zero isn't.
>Interesting, the last odd day, 19/11/1999 until 3111 was the day a
>friend of mine got married (for the third time). I hope it is third
>time lucky.
Especially if they decide to wait until the next odd day for the fourth.
--
Malcolm
David Brown
<pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Anyway, I think that I will take the 29th off, and have a party, after
>all, it has taken four hundred years to accumulate enough time to have
>the day, so one might as well take full advantage of it - it is a week
>day too, so, if not too many people notice the significance of the day,
>it should be an ideal time for a party.
>
if business thinks it's the 1st March and all the computers screw up
>
--
David
gr...@apple2.com
Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Probably the more interesting day this month is the 29th February, which
> will be the first leap day at the start of a century since 1600 - I
> wonder if anybody knows what was going on then.
YM end of a century. It's still the 20th Century.
And the leap day is the 24th of February, not the 29th.
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B.E.N.
>An even number is divisible by 2. And zero isn't.
Yes it is. The result is zero.
--
Ben
John Hall
An even number is divisible by 2 with no remainder. I can see no problem
in dividing 0 by 2 leaving no remainder. (Had it been required to divide
2 by 0, that would have been a different matter.) Mind you, I did drop
out of my maths degree course after two terms.
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
Peter H.M. Brooks
ric...@beulah.demon.co.uk (Richard Robinson) wrote:
>
> >Cue for long (and repeat) discussion as to whether zero is an even
> >number and what you mean by numbers.
> >
> >2000 is an even number but 0 on its own isn't.
>
> But 0 doesn't appear on its own in any dates.
>
that since the one in 888 that didn't have any odd numbers in it.
0 does appear on its own in dates that haven't been formulated to avoid
the millennium bug.
Peter H.M. Brooks
support <sup...@webworlds.net> wrote:
> > > It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting
day.
> >
> > It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
> > ~
> > Shiraz
>
> Interestingly, or not, the numerical root of both 28/8/888 and
2/2/2000
> is 6
>
Peter H.M. Brooks
gr...@apple2.com wrote:
> In article <8793pb$6ig$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Probably the more interesting day this month is the 29th February,
which
> > will be the first leap day at the start of a century since 1600 - I
> > wonder if anybody knows what was going on then.
>
> YM end of a century. It's still the 20th Century.
>
>
> And the leap day is the 24th of February, not the 29th.
>
24th, so it goes 23rd, 25th and ends 29th, now, do they. If they did,
then I would agree that the 24th was the leap day.
The 14th is the ides of February, but that is a horse of a different
colour.
B.E.N.
>An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
Heh heh! I think you mean two other *equal* whole numbers! But then zero
and zero *are* equal, aren't they?
--
Ben
Elspeth M Parris
<Sa...@hannington1.demon.co.uk> writes
>Shiraz <sue.m...@lineone.net> writes
>>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>>
>>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
>
>need them?
Surely zero is an absence of number, like black is an absence of light
and therefore not a colour, similarly zero wouldn't be a number at all.
--
Spiff
Elspeth M Parris
>Shiraz wrote:
>>
>Interestingly, or not, the numerical root of both 28/8/888 and 2/2/2000
>is 6
>
>particularly well adjusted today?
Yes. Had first bath in new house since moving in in November, Parkray
fire is working beautifully, I'm warm without wearing 15 layers of
clothes and I was at my desk by 10am. Not working yet though :)
--
Spiff
Malcolm Ogilvie
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
Can *you* divide zero?
--
Malcolm
Kay Easton
<mal...@ogilvie.org> writes
>An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
>
What do you mean by divided in this context?
3 can be divided into 9 and 27, both of which are whole numbers, so 3 is
even?
Or do you mean it can be divided like you might divide a heap of sweets,
into two piles?
7 can be divided into 3 and 4 both of which are whole numbers, so 7 is
even?
--
Kay
"If you torture the data enough, it will confess"
Kay Easton
<Els...@Alian.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>Surely zero is an absence of number, like black is an absence of light
>and therefore not a colour, similarly zero wouldn't be a number at all.
So that there is a gap in the middle of the continuum of real numbers?
It's not a continuum at all?
support
> > Interestingly, or not, the numerical root of both 28/8/888 and
> 2/2/2000
> > is 6
> >
Depends whose numerical system you are using.
One mans numerics is another mans numerology.
> 'Use Hume, the brain conditioner that will give your brain more body
> bounce and lift, banishing the nasty wrinkles, snags and frayed ends
Smoke Berkeley's, the immaterial cigarette. After all, if they don't
exist, they can't fill you lungs with tar, or give you cancer.
--
Roger Tattersall
Richard Robinson
>Shiraz wrote:
>>
>> Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> > Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>> > It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>>
>> It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
>
>is 6
>
>news that The Russians have given back Grozni to the citizens, or that
>Slobadan Milosevic is resigning from office.
Yes, well. At least the Russians haven't nuked Northern Ireland yet.
Richard Robinson
>In article <slrn89h18p...@beulah.demon.co.uk>, Richard Robinson
><ric...@beulah.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <cZ5kuVBD...@indaal.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote:
>>>In article <879jbi$t1a$1...@supernews.com>, Shiraz <sue.m...@lineone.net>
>>>writes
>>>>> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>>>>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>>>>
>>>>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
>>>
>>>number and what you mean by numbers.
>>>
>>>2000 is an even number but 0 on its own isn't.
>>
>>But 0 doesn't appear on its own in any dates.
>>
But isn't '08' the number ?
Let's rewrite it as 28/8/888, why not ?
support
"2 - -2 =4
Here's 2 apples. Now I'm going to take away 2 apples which don't exist
because they are negative apples.
Voila, now I should have 4 apples.
Hey, theres still only 2.
I reckon those negaative apples have given my concept of 'real' numbers
a touch of the collywobbles.
--
Roger Tattersall
support
>
> In article <3898797B...@webworlds.net>, support wrote:
> >Interestingly, or not, the numerical root of both 28/8/888 and 2/2/2000
> >is 6
> >
> >Reputed to be a number of balance and harmony. Is anybody feeling
> >particularly well adjusted today? Perhaps I'll get home and hear on the
> >news that The Russians have given back Grozni to the citizens, or that
> >Slobadan Milosevic is resigning from office.
>
> Yes, well. At least the Russians haven't nuked Northern Ireland yet.
<sees tasty morsel floating in water>
And who has?
--
Roger Tattersall
Smudge
>>>An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
>>
>>and zero *are* equal, aren't they?
>
>Can *you* divide zero?
I can, but then I'm an injinear and we can do anything ;)
Smudge
>like black is an absence of light
>and therefore not a colour
Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
No, not again, please. I'll do anything, but not that discussion ;)
B.E.N.
>In article <fADRMKAK...@Alian.demon.co.uk> Elspeth M Parris wibbled
>>like black is an absence of light
>>and therefore not a colour
>
>Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>
>No, not again, please. I'll do anything, but not that discussion ;)
Anything? <g>
--
Ben
Kathryn Ghent
>
>Assuming that zero is an even number - where the mathematicians when you
>need them?
>
I had to, Captain NoMath made me.
--
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Alec Cawley
><al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes>><mal...@ogilvie.org> writes
>>>
>>>An even number is divisible by 2. And zero isn't.
>>
>>
>>You are implying that 0 is not an integer. Even numbers are multiples of
>>2 and any integer. Since the zeroth multiple of 2 is zero, it follows
>>that if 0 is not even, then 0 is not an integer.
>>
>Oh well, only four people have disagreed with me - so far, of which
>yours is by far the least comprehensible! I think I had better correct
>my definition :-)
>
>An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
Three can be divided into two and one. You meant two *equal* whole
numbers.
You therefore assert that zero is not a whole number (since it can be
divided into two equal zeroes). What about negative numbers? Are -2, -4
etc. even? They can be divided into -1 twice, -2 twice etc. And if they
*are* whole numbers, is it not strange that ...-4,-3,-2,-1,1,2,3,4....
are whole numbers, and there is a hole in the sequence at 0? Or are you
still in about the fifteenth century, before the concept of negative
numbers was invented?
--
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The alue home page is at www.alue.org
Alec Cawley
<mal...@ogilvie.org> writes
>>>An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
>>
>>and zero *are* equal, aren't they?
>
>Can *you* divide zero?
Very easily - as opposed to dividing *by* zero, which is impossible.
Alec Cawley
<sup...@webworlds.net> writes
First catch your negative apples. If you ever find actual, physical,
negative apples and manage to take them away, you will indeed have four
apples. In fact, you have tried to take them away twice, firstly by
calleing them negative apples and again by taking them away. Negative
*means* taken away.
Alec Cawley
>>Shiraz <sue.m...@lineone.net> writes
>>>Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>>> Obviously, any date is as 'significant', or not, as any other.
>>>> It made me think of today, though, arguably a far more interesting day.
>>>
>>>It's the first day since 28/08/888 to contain only even numbers.
>>
>>need them?
>
>and therefore not a colour, similarly zero wouldn't be a number at all.
No. Zero is an absence of objects (being enumerated), not an absence of
number. The "number line" stretches from minus infinity to plus
infinity, with regularly placed whole numbers and fractional and
transcendental numbers between them. There is not an infinitesimally
small gap in the number line between the smallest possible positive
fraction and the smallest possible negative fraction.
Just because black (for the sake of argument) is not a colour, it does
not mean that it is impossible to have black paint. It does mean that
(of one accepts the hypothesis) it is possible to have opaque paint
which has no colour.
To pour oil on the flames, IMO black is a colour, and if anything isn't
a colour, it is white. If you shine coloured light onto a black surface,
it remains black i.e. remains true to its colour. If you shine coloured
light onto a white surface, it takes up the colour of the light, showing
it has no colour of its own.
Smudge
>Smudge Apocalyptic Hamsters Inc. writes:
>>In article <fADRMKAK...@Alian.demon.co.uk> Elspeth M Parris wibbled
>>
>>Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>>
>>No, not again, please. I'll do anything, but not that discussion ;)
>
>Anything? <g>
Almost :)
Smudge
>
>To pour oil on the flames, IMO black is a colour, and if anything isn't
>a colour, it is white. If you shine coloured light onto a black surface,
>it remains black i.e. remains true to its colour. If you shine coloured
>light onto a white surface, it takes up the colour of the light, showing
>it has no colour of its own.
Oh bugger, here we go!
Anyway, black is a colour, otherwise I have an awful lot of clothes
which have no colour!
Sparky
<Els...@Alian.demon.co.uk> writes
>Had first bath in new house since moving in in November
Good news for folks you pass^W walk by in the street, I should think.
>, Parkray
>fire is working beautifully, I'm warm without wearing 15 layers of
>clothes and I was at my desk by 10am. Not working yet though :)
Going soft already, see? Not good enough, not good enough at all ;)
--
Sparky
Sparky
<al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
>To pour oil on the flames, IMO black is a colour, and if anything isn't
>a colour, it is white. If you shine coloured light onto a black surface,
>it remains black i.e. remains true to its colour. If you shine coloured
>light onto a white surface, it takes up the colour of the light, showing
>it has no colour of its own.
Nah, that's coz white is so jam-packed full of it's own colour it can't
take any more and bounces it off. Black OTOH is an empty nothingness, a
void that absorbs anything you chuck at it (light-wise). Pink is, of
course, nice and cuddly and loves every one and everything, drawing them
in with it's seductive tones.
What about gloss?
--
Sparky
Clive D.W. Feather
writes
>>> And the leap day is the 24th of February, not the 29th.
><http://www.pauahtun.org/CalendarFAQ/cal/node3.html#SECTION00330000000000
>000000>
>| From a numerical point of view, of course 29 February is the extra
>| day. But from the point of view of celebration of feast days, the
>| following correspondence between days in leap years and non-leap
>| years has traditionally been used:
This correspondence is *not* found in the Book of Common Prayer, nor in
the progression of the Dominical Letter. In both of these February 29th
is the intercalated day.
Clive "see also my web site, though the CGI is broken" Feather
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Clive D.W. Feather
<pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> writes
>The 14th is the ides of February, but that is a horse of a different
>colour.
Nope, the 13th is the Ides of February. Even this year.
Clive "March, July, October, May, ...." Feather
Steve Criddle
~ Very easily - as opposed to dividing *by* zero, which is impossible.
Ah, but dividing by zero *does* produce THIS little gem:
Start with a = b
Multiply both sides by a a^2 = ab
Subtract b^2 from both sides a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2
Factorise both sides (a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
Divide both sides by (a-b) a+b = b
Since a=b, we can deduce 2b = b
Which means that 2 = 1
Crid <*>
--
It's impossible to build a foolproof system
because fools are so ingenious
Steve Criddle
~ First catch your negative apples. If you ever find actual, physical,
~ negative apples and manage to take them away, you will indeed have four
~ apples. In fact, you have tried to take them away twice, firstly by
~ calleing them negative apples and again by taking them away. Negative
~ *means* taken away.
How about matter and antimatter though?
And if you eat equal amounts of pasta and antipasta, do you still feel
just as hungry?
Steve Criddle
~ Anyway, black is a colour, otherwise I have an awful lot of clothes
~ which have no colour!
Or a lot of awful clothes.
Crid <*> ...DARFC
Mike Fleming
<mal...@ogilvie.org> writes:
> An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
So 3 is an even number? If I have three apples, I can divide them into
one apple and two apples.
--
Mike Fleming Team CND
Quantum ille canis est in fenestra? - molesworth
Mike Fleming
<mal...@Smith.net> writes:
> Anyway, black is a colour, otherwise I have an awful lot of clothes
> which have no colour!
Ah, you have that problem with the washing machine too?
Mike Harrison
Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org> writes
>>
>Oh well, only four people have disagreed with me - so far, of which
>yours is by far the least comprehensible! I think I had better correct
>my definition :-)
>
>
NP: SAHB - $25 For A Massage
--
She was even better than me!
Mike Harrison.
Mike Harrison
Smudge <mal...@Smith.net> writes
>><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>Malcolm Ogilvie MAO writes:
>>>
>>>and zero *are* equal, aren't they?
>>
>>Can *you* divide zero?
>
...given the correct hammer.
NP: Johnny Griffin - It's Alright With Me
--
"Hello! And how did you find yourself this morning?"
"Well, I just rolled back the sheets and there I was."
Mike Harrison.
Mike Harrison
Smudge <mal...@Smith.net> writes
>In article <JX5YFWAj...@microser.demon.co.uk> B.E.N. wibbled
>>Smudge Apocalyptic Hamsters Inc. writes:
>>>In article <fADRMKAK...@Alian.demon.co.uk> Elspeth M Parris wibbled
>>>>like black is an absence of light
>>>>and therefore not a colour
>>>
>>>Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>>>
>>>No, not again, please. I'll do anything, but not that discussion ;)
>>
>>Anything? <g>
>
>Almost :)
I'm sorry, Smudge, but t'rules clearly state that only your first
response may be accepted...
NP: Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers - Mosaic
Vivianne
<kat...@ghent.demon.co.uk> wibbled ........
>Captain NoMath made me.
Out of what?
--
I have PMS and a gun, any questions?
David Manley-Reeve
>
>No. Zero is an absence of objects (being enumerated), not an absence of
>number. The "number line" stretches from minus infinity to plus
>infinity
So what's the number in the middle then?
--
David
Malcolm Ogilvie
<al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
>
>You therefore assert that zero is not a whole number (since it can be
>divided into two equal zeroes). What about negative numbers? Are -2, -4
>etc. even? They can be divided into -1 twice, -2 twice etc. And if they
>*are* whole numbers, is it not strange that ...-4,-3,-2,-1,1,2,3,4....
>are whole numbers, and there is a hole in the sequence at 0? Or are you
>still in about the fifteenth century, before the concept of negative
>numbers was invented?
>
Are you telling me that there have been new numbers invented since then?
Why did no-one tell me?
Mind you, I've never seen a negative numbers of birds....
--
Malcolm
Steve MacGregor
news:3898c...@news1.mweb.co.za...
>>Why is the leap day on the 24th, and not the 29th?
It is not on the 24th, and never has been.
At one time, Leap Day was on the 25th, but that was when the Romans ran
the calendar, and they counted backwards. The Ides of February are the
13th, and from there, they count down to the Calends of March, calling
the next day (our 14th), the sixteenth day before the Calends of March,
and so on, to the 28th, the second day before the Calends of March,
followed by the Calends of March (our March 1st). Their sixth day
before the Calends of March is our 24 of February (in all years). The
last four days of February (in all years) were the 5th, 4th, 3rd, and
2nd days before the Calends of March.
In Leap Years, they added an additional day between the 6th and 5th,
calling it the second sixth day before the Calends of March (our
February 25th in Leap Years).
You were dying to know all that, weren't you? Thank you for your time.
Kay Easton
<mal...@ogilvie.org> writes
>In article <Rvye74AM...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.N.
><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Malcolm Ogilvie MAO writes:
>>>An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
>>
>>Heh heh! I think you mean two other *equal* whole numbers! But then zero
>>and zero *are* equal, aren't they?
>
>Can *you* divide zero?
>
have exactly the same amount as I started with :-)
Elspeth M Parris
<al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
>In article <fADRMKAK...@Alian.demon.co.uk>, Elspeth M Parris
><Els...@Alian.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <p69bsIAt...@hannington1.demon.co.uk>, Sally Hannington
>><Sa...@hannington1.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>Shiraz <sue.m...@lineone.net> writes
>>>>Peter H.M. Brooks <pe...@psyche.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>and therefore not a colour, similarly zero wouldn't be a number at all.
>
>number. The "number line" stretches from minus infinity to plus
..
>Just because black (for the sake of argument) is not a colour, it does
>not mean that it is impossible to have black paint.
[various snips]
The difference is similar. Black as a colour is different if we talk
about pigment than about paint. There is, of course, black paint but
there can't be black light.
Similarly as an abstract conecpt (ie on the number line) zero is a
number. On a more practical level where numbers represent quantity or
order it is merely an absence. To the practical person who uses numbers
to count apples, two, three or any number of apples can be counted but
no apples can't because there aren't any.
--
Spiff
Elspeth M Parris
<al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
>In article <3899B2D9...@webworlds.net>, support
><sup...@webworlds.net> writes
>>Kay Easton wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>First catch your negative apples. If you ever find actual, physical,
>
My parents once got charged *massive* accountants fees because their
accounts had 'negative' cash. They couldn't understand why it was
impossible and required vast amounts of work to sort out. I got the job
of doing their accounts after that. Had to teach them some basics first.
--
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Elspeth M Parris
<mal...@Smith.net> writes
>
>Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>
>No, not again, please. I'll do anything, but not that discussion ;)
Bbbut the plumbing's done now.
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Spiff
Peter H.M. Brooks
ric...@beulah.demon.co.uk (Richard Robinson) wrote:
>
> >>But 0 doesn't appear on its own in any dates.
> >>
> >No, but it's a number.......I think....and Sue mentioned numbers.
>
> But isn't '08' the number ?
>
> Let's rewrite it as 28/8/888, why not ?
>
Now, that is sensible. After all, we could choose any date, say the
12/11/2341 and rewrite it as 012/011/02341 thus having noughts in
it.
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Before you buy.
Peter H.M. Brooks
Steve Criddle <st...@criddle.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> And if you eat equal amounts of pasta and antipasta, do you still feel
> just as hungry?
>
TNT's worth], yes, you would feel just as hungry. Sadly the stuff they
sell in Italian restaurants is antepasta, not antipasta.
Terrance Richard Boyes
> According to my spies, in <X2g1OpAO...@bellona.demon.co.uk>,
> Smudge <mal...@Smith.net> writes
>>In article <iHRLpzAj...@indaal.demon.co.uk> Malcolm Ogilvie wibbled
>>>In article <Rvye74AM...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.N.
>>><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>Malcolm Ogilvie MAO writes:
>>>>>An even number is one which can be divided into two other whole numbers.
>>>>
>>>>Heh heh! I think you mean two other *equal* whole numbers! But then zero
>>>>and zero *are* equal, aren't they?
>>>
>>>Can *you* divide zero?
>>
> ...given the correct hammer.
And a high enough place to drop it from.
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Ruud Zwaaf en Frits Stevens
solar system will align. Who knows what will happen then. A belated Y2K when
most computers will crash due to the effect of the combined magnetic forces
of the planets?
Rudy
Richard Robinson
>In article <bLJoeiAi...@ghent.demon.co.uk>, Kathryn Ghent
><kat...@ghent.demon.co.uk> wibbled ........
>
>>Captain NoMath made me.
>
>Out of what?
Scratch.
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
Richard Robinson
>Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>> In article <3898797B...@webworlds.net>, support wrote:
>> >Interestingly, or not, the numerical root of both 28/8/888 and 2/2/2000
>> >is 6
>> >
>> >Reputed to be a number of balance and harmony. Is anybody feeling
>> >particularly well adjusted today? Perhaps I'll get home and hear on the
>> >news that The Russians have given back Grozni to the citizens, or that
>> >Slobadan Milosevic is resigning from office.
>>
>> Yes, well. At least the Russians haven't nuked Northern Ireland yet.
>
><sees tasty morsel floating in water>
>And who has?
Good grief. Have they ? The bastards !
jane
> In article <8dCzCaAL...@cawley.demon.co.uk> Alec Cawley wibbled
>>
>>To pour oil on the flames, IMO black is a colour, and if anything isn't
>>a colour, it is white. If you shine coloured light onto a black surface,
>>it remains black i.e. remains true to its colour. If you shine coloured
>>light onto a white surface, it takes up the colour of the light, showing
>>it has no colour of its own.
>
> Oh bugger, here we go!
>
> Anyway, black is a colour, otherwise I have an awful lot of clothes
> which have no colour!
. . . i know it's a long time since i
went to school . . . *but* this arguement
is confusing colo(u)r and light.
IIRC, the color black is all colors, and
the color white is the absence of color,
however black is the absence of light,
while "white" light is all wavelengths
of visible light mixed together, yes?
jane
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next town will be far greater than anything that a planetary alignment
can manage.
support
>
> And if you eat equal amounts of pasta and antipasta, do you still feel
> just as hungry?
Depends which one you eat first ;¬)
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B.E.N.
>To pour oil on the flames, IMO black is a colour, and if anything isn't
>a colour, it is white. If you shine coloured light onto a black surface,
>it remains black i.e. remains true to its colour. If you shine coloured
>light onto a white surface, it takes up the colour of the light, showing
>it has no colour of its own.
But the colours of light are subtractive not additive. Or is it the
other way round? <g>
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"Clive D.W. Feather" <cl...@demon.net> wrote:
>gr...@apple2.com wrote:
::
>>>gr...@apple2.com wrote:
>>>> And the leap day is the 24th of February, not the 29th.
>> <http://www.pauahtun.org/CalendarFAQ/cal/node3.html#SECTION00330000000000000000>
>>| From a numerical point of view, of course 29 February is the extra
>>| day. But from the point of view of celebration of feast days, the
>>| following correspondence between days in leap years and non-leap
>>| years has traditionally been used:
> This correspondence is *not* found in the Book of Common Prayer, nor in
> the progression of the Dominical Letter. In both of these February 29th
> is the intercalated day.
The page also mentions in that section the EU changeover in 2000 and
that the Roman Catholic Church also considers the 29th as the leap day.
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Laurence Doering
Ruud Zwaaf en Frits Stevens <rzw...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
>05/05/2000 is another date to watch because then all the planets of our
>solar system will align. Who knows what will happen then. A belated Y2K when
>most computers will crash due to the effect of the combined magnetic forces
>of the planets?
Yeah, that sounds real likely.
You might want to pick a different date, though, because "all the planets
of our solar system" will not "align" on May 5th. Mercury, Venus, Jupiter,
and Saturn will all be on the other side of the sun and fairly close
to it in the sky, but Mars will be farther away and Uranus, Neptune,
and Pluto will be in other parts of the sky entirely.
Check it out for yourself with the handy plan view of the solar system
at <http://www.heavens-above.com/planets.asp>.
Larry "why does the world _have_ to end in 2000, anyway?" Doering
Steve Criddle
~ Apart from the massive amounts of energy released [several megatons of
~ TNT's worth], yes, you would feel just as hungry. Sadly the stuff they
~ sell in Italian restaurants is antepasta, not antipasta.
Damn! I thought I'd found a shortcut for this diet thingy I'm on...
Crid <*>
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because fools are so ingenious
Simon Ghent
says...
> > So that there is a gap in the middle of the continuum of real numbers?
> > It's not a continuum at all?
> > --
> > Kay
> > "If you torture the data enough, it will confess"
>
>
> Here's 2 apples. Now I'm going to take away 2 apples which don't exist
> because they are negative apples.
>
Surely you need the space where two apples used to be.
> Voila, now I should have 4 apples.
>
> Hey, theres still only 2.
>
> I reckon those negaative apples have given my concept of 'real' numbers
> a touch of the collywobbles.
>
>
>
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s
Alec Cawley
<ja...@unc.edu> writes
>IIRC, the color black is all colors, and
>the color white is the absence of color,
>however black is the absence of light,
>while "white" light is all wavelengths
>of visible light mixed together, yes?
You are on to the source of the dissent. The fact is that we use colour
to mean two completely different, though related things - its inherent
ability to absorb/reflect light, and the light that appears to come from
it. If we say "Ayers Rock changes colour through the day", we do not
mean that it is repainted every few minutes, but that its perceived
colour changes with the lighting. On the other hand, if I wear a
bleached T-shirt to a disco, we say that its colour stays the same
despite the fact that it appears to be a different colour every second
or so in the disco lighting.
In the former case, we are talking about the light that hits our eyes,
and in this case black is not a colour, because there are no black
photons. In the latter case, we are talking about how the object and
reflects light, so black is a colour which has a distinctive property of
absorbing all (or most) light.
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Alec Cawley
<b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
Lights are additive, paints are subtractive.
Don't set me off...
Alec Cawley
<Els...@Alian.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>The difference is similar. Black as a colour is different if we talk
>about pigment than about paint. There is, of course, black paint but
>there can't be black light.
>
>Similarly as an abstract conecpt (ie on the number line) zero is a
>number. On a more practical level where numbers represent quantity or
>order it is merely an absence. To the practical person who uses numbers
>to count apples, two, three or any number of apples can be counted but
>no apples can't because there aren't any.
OK with the colour, but zero is a very useful number in accounts - the
sign of accounts that balance.
Kay Easton
<mal...@ogilvie.org> writes
>In article <zN4wmIAi...@cawley.demon.co.uk>, Alec Cawley
><al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
>>
>>You therefore assert that zero is not a whole number (since it can be
>>divided into two equal zeroes). What about negative numbers? Are -2, -4
>>etc. even? They can be divided into -1 twice, -2 twice etc. And if they
>>*are* whole numbers, is it not strange that ...-4,-3,-2,-1,1,2,3,4....
>>are whole numbers, and there is a hole in the sequence at 0? Or are you
>>still in about the fifteenth century, before the concept of negative
>>numbers was invented?
>>
>No, I was quoting from The Chinese Book of the Permutations, c.1100 BC.
>Are you telling me that there have been new numbers invented since then?
>Why did no-one tell me?
>
>Mind you, I've never seen a negative numbers of birds....
>
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Kay Easton
<m...@merida.demon.co.uk> writes
>>I can, but then I'm an injinear and we can do anything ;)
>
>...given the correct hammer.
But if he used the correct hammer he wouldn't be an engineer
Kay Easton
>because they are negative apples.
They do exist .. they're the two that you owe me.
>
>
>Voila, now I should have 4 apples.
You do. The two you put aside to pay me with, you no longer need to pay
me (that's the subtraction bit), so you can keep all 4.
Kay Easton
<al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
>No. Zero is an absence of objects (being enumerated), not an absence of
>number. The "number line" stretches from minus infinity to plus
>transcendental numbers between them. There is not an infinitesimally
>small gap in the number line between the smallest possible positive
>fraction and the smallest possible negative fraction.
And even when you think you've found the smallest possible fraction
there's always another which is even smaller ...
>
>To pour oil on the flames, IMO black is a colour, and if anything isn't
>a colour, it is white. If you shine coloured light onto a black surface,
>it remains black i.e. remains true to its colour. If you shine coloured
>light onto a white surface, it takes up the colour of the light, showing
>it has no colour of its own.
>
But if you mix, say, green light and purple light you get something very
close to white light, which shows that white is the most colourful
colour of them all
David Manley-Reeve
>In article <kXd2cXAk...@merida.demon.co.uk>, Mike Harrison
><m...@merida.demon.co.uk> writes
>>According to my spies, in <X2g1OpAO...@bellona.demon.co.uk>,
>>Smudge <mal...@Smith.net> writes
>
>>>I can, but then I'm an injinear and we can do anything ;)
>>
>>...given the correct hammer.
>
>
>But if he used the correct hammer he wouldn't be an engineer
The 'FBH' is required... trust me, I'm a Meccy
--
David
David Manley-Reeve
>In the former case, we are talking about the light that hits our eyes,
>and in this case black is not a colour, because there are no black
>photons.
What colour are photons?, just out of curiosity. My physics of astronomy
never actually said.
Tachyons, now... *there's* a particle!
--
David
Chris Brown
>05/05/2000 is another date to watch because then all the planets of our
>solar system will align. Who knows what will happen then. A belated Y2K when
>most computers will crash due to the effect of the combined magnetic forces
>of the planets?
Position a bowling ball on the other side of your computer. It will
balance out the effects quite nicely at a distance of...
--
CB
Malcolm Ogilvie
<al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
>In article <XAfvgvA5...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.N.
><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Alec Cawley Night of the Bath writes:
>>>a colour, it is white. If you shine coloured light onto a black surface,
>>>it remains black i.e. remains true to its colour. If you shine coloured
>>>light onto a white surface, it takes up the colour of the light, showing
>>>it has no colour of its own.
>>
>>other way round? <g>
>
>Lights are additive, paints are subtractive.
>
>Don't set me off...
>
Started off with old clever clogs telling us about the significance of
the date, stirred by me re-starting the zero is/isn't an even number
discussion^Wtroll and moving smoothly from there into a discussion of
colours and light.
Lovely :-))
--
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Kathryn Ghent
>In article <bLJoeiAi...@ghent.demon.co.uk>, Kathryn Ghent
><kat...@ghent.demon.co.uk> wibbled ........
>
>>Captain NoMath made me.
>
>Out of what?
>
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Smudge
>According to my spies, in <lxCJvVAG...@bellona.demon.co.uk>,
>Smudge <mal...@Smith.net> writes
>>In article <JX5YFWAj...@microser.demon.co.uk> B.E.N. wibbled
>>>Smudge Apocalyptic Hamsters Inc. writes:
>>>>In article <fADRMKAK...@Alian.demon.co.uk> Elspeth M Parris wibbled
>>>>>like black is an absence of light
>>>>>and therefore not a colour
>>>>
>>>>Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>>>>
>>>>No, not again, please. I'll do anything, but not that discussion ;)
>>>
>>>Anything? <g>
>>
>>Almost :)
>
>I'm sorry, Smudge, but t'rules clearly state that only your first
>response may be accepted...
Damn. I knew I should have changed that rule ;)
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Smudge
>I believe it was Smudge who once wrote:
>
>~ Anyway, black is a colour, otherwise I have an awful lot of clothes
>~ which have no colour!
>
>Or a lot of awful clothes.
Pah! Nothing fashionable about my wardrobe.
Smudge
>
>> Anyway, black is a colour, otherwise I have an awful lot of clothes
>
>Ah, you have that problem with the washing machine too?
ROFL!
My problem is that it doesn't load and unload itself.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> At one time, Leap Day was on the 25th, but that was when the Romans ran
> the calendar, and they counted backwards.
>
> In Leap Years, they added an additional day between the 6th and 5th,
> calling it the second sixth day before the Calends of March (our
> February 25th in Leap Years).
In the Roman Catholic Calendar of Feast Days, Feb. 24th is
the feast of Matthias the Apostle, except in leap years, when
the feast is kept on Feb. 25th., and any feast occurring from
Feb. 24th to the end of the month is postponed one day.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Kay Easton
<al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
Terrance Richard Boyes
> In article <8dCzCaAL...@cawley.demon.co.uk>, Alec Cawley
> <al...@aleccawley.co.uk> writes
> ..
>>Just because black (for the sake of argument) is not a colour, it does
>>not mean that it is impossible to have black paint.
> [various snips]
> The difference is similar. Black as a colour is different if we talk
> about pigment than about paint. There is, of course, black paint but
> there can't be black light.
Err, you'd better tell Einstein that :)
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Russell Cheshire
burbled happily:
>What a perfect example of a Usenet thread this has been/still is being.
>Started off with old clever clogs telling us about the significance of
>the date, stirred by me re-starting the zero is/isn't an even number
>discussion^Wtroll and moving smoothly from there into a discussion of
>colours and light.
>
>Lovely :-))
>
Discuss.
:)
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"Steve MacGregor" <SteveMa...@USA.Net> wrote:
> "Dominique Basson" <dfba...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
> news:3898c...@news1.mweb.co.za...
>
> >>Why is the leap day on the 24th, and not the 29th?
>
> It is not on the 24th, and never has been.
>
> At one time, Leap Day was on the 25th, but that was when the Romans
ran
the
> 13th, and from there, they count down to the Calends of March, calling
> the next day (our 14th), the sixteenth day before the Calends of
March,
> and so on, to the 28th, the second day before the Calends of March,
> followed by the Calends of March (our March 1st). Their sixth day
> before the Calends of March is our 24 of February (in all years). The
> last four days of February (in all years) were the 5th, 4th, 3rd, and
> 2nd days before the Calends of March.
>
> In Leap Years, they added an additional day between the 6th and 5th,
> calling it the second sixth day before the Calends of March (our
> February 25th in Leap Years).
>
time.
>
That explains, of course, why the French call a leap year an
_année bissextile._ It is from a Latin expression which was a reference
to the second sixth before Calends. (Or can we say, the "second sixth of
Calends," accepting that the counting of days from before the Calends is
assumed?)
_Bissextile_ also came down into English. From www.dictionary.com :
[quote]
bis·sex·tile [...]
adj.
1.Of or relating to a leap year.
2.Of or relating to the extra day falling in a leap year.
n.
A leap year.
[Late Latin bissextilis, containing an intercalary day, from Latin
bissextus, an intercalary day: bi-, twice; see bi-1
+ sextus, sixth, because the sixth day before the Calends of March
(February 24) occurred twice every leap year; see
sext.]
[end quote]
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Before you buy.
Malcolm Ogilvie
Cheshire <rus...@kildonanstores.demon.co.uk> writes
Further coverage on Landward(1) this Sunday.
(1) Farming programme only broadcast in Scotland.
--
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Elspeth M Parris
<k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>Mind you, I've never seen a negative numbers of birds....
>>
>Though presumably quite often a rational number ..
An irrational number of birds.. that must be what the cat leaves me.
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Early morning activity - clean up after cat
Elspeth M Parris
Cheshire <rus...@kildonanstores.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>
>Discuss.
>
>:)
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Spiff
Malcolm Ogilvie
<Els...@Alian.demon.co.uk> writes
Kirsty Wark - Scottish, TV presenter, e.g. Newsnight, plus her own half-
hour news investigating prog on BBC Scotland TV.
Chough - a bird, member of the crow family, but smaller than a rook -
very rare in Britain, only found in the Inner Hebrides and western
Wales.
Dung - you may know what it is, but perhaps the fascinating fact that
Choughs feed on the grubs of dung flies and dung beetles had passed you
by.
Yesterday, Kirsty Wark did a piece about the purchase, by the RSPB
helped by the Heritage Lottery fund, of a farm on Islay which will be
managed by grazing lots of cattle on it in order to provide lots of dung
so that there will be lots of dung flies and dung beetles so that there
will be lots of food for Choughs and they might become slightly less
rare.
No-one can say that Usenet doesn't inform you lots.
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support
> Anyway, I think that I will take the 29th off, and have a party, after
> all, it has taken four hundred years to accumulate enough time to have
> the day, so one might as well take full advantage of it - it is a week
> day too, so, if not too many people notice the significance of the day,
> it should be an ideal time for a party.
I've collected all the apples from this thread and pressed them to make
virtual cider. Who can tell if it was made from an odd or even number of
apples (not counting the two Kay reckons I owe her). The space which the
negative apples occupied does *not* contribute to the flavour, and are
discounted.
--
Roger Tattersall
Russell Cheshire
>Cheshire <rus...@kildonanstores.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>Kirsty Wark. Choughs. Dung.
>>
>>Discuss.
>>
>>:)
>
I may attempt to view this. The weather forecast especially[2] :(
>
>(1) Farming programme only broadcast in Scotland.
>
Translates from the Gaelic as 'Countryfile' ;)
[2] If they're correct, and you haven't left yet, you may not be going
anywhere until Tuesday :(
--
Russell
B.E.N.
>In article <XAfvgvA5...@microser.demon.co.uk>, B.E.N.
><b...@microser.demon.co.uk> writes
>>other way round? <g>
>
>Lights are additive, paints are subtractive.
Indeed. Yes, of course they are, silly me.
>Don't set me off...
Please do, I need to learn a bit (well, quite a lot actually) about
colour perception and so on.
I mean, it's not so easy to say what colour a particular wavelength is
as some people might imagine. Even worse, for any combination of R, G,
and B, which combinations translate to single wavelengths and which
don't.
--
Ben
B.E.N.
>bis新ex暗ile
Why did I read that as *his* sex tile? <g>
--
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Malcolm Ogilvie
Cheshire <rus...@kildonanstores.demon.co.uk> writes
>On a small blue-green planet, Malcolm Ogilvie <mal...@ogilvie.org>
>burbled happily:
>>In article <biv2WDAy...@kildonanstores.demon.co.uk>, Russell
>>Cheshire <rus...@kildonanstores.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>
>>>Kirsty Wark. Choughs. Dung.
>>>
>>>Discuss.
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>Further coverage on Landward(1) this Sunday.
>
>I may attempt to view this. The weather forecast especially[2] :(
>>
>>(1) Farming programme only broadcast in Scotland.
>>
>Translates from the Gaelic as 'Countryfile' ;)
>
>[2] If they're correct, and you haven't left yet, you may not be going
>anywhere until Tuesday :(
Prolly not, though I think our ferry captains try harder than yours :-)
--
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