The name of Excalibur's scabbard?

[Ian Douglas]

Hello All...

Could anyone tell me if the scabbard that held excalibur had a name?...

Many thanks...
Ian

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Ian Douglas

[DEBernardo]

It's doubtful that the scabbard was named, although I do know that some
versions of the legends say that the scabbard was important in conferring
the swords "magical" properties.

[WARCHILD]

I've read that the scabbard protected Arthur from any mortal wound, but
it was lost by Morgian..he had a shield that had a name..however.

-War

[Wilson]

Although scabbard was "lost" by Morgaine, we should remember that it was
a gift through her to him in the first place. It was only his betrayal
that caused her to take it back.

[Ian Douglas]

In article <320404...@btigate.com>, Wilson <wil...@btigate.com>
writes

Thanks anyway chaps....

It looks like i've lost my bet of a pint of old peculiar on this
one...:((

ATB....
Ian

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Ian Douglas

[SFLE...@maine.maine.edu]

According to a book I have the name of Arthur's Shield was Wynebgwrthucher.

-S-

[Andrea Luxenburg]

SFLE...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU wrote:
>
> According to a book I have the name of Arthur's Shield was Wynebgwrthucher.
>
> -S-

what book?

[Stephie]

> > According to a book I have the name of Arthur's Shield was Wynebgwrthucher.
> >
> > -S-

I don't know about the name of the scabbard but I believe it is given to
Arthur by the fairy Marsique.

Stephie

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[DEBernardo]

LOL! Whad'ya do, bet that it had a name? Poor guy...

If you're ever in the states (NW PA), I'll make good your losses with a
trip to our microbrewery!

Cheers!

[Ian Douglas]

In article <4ug6u4$l...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, DEBernardo
<deber...@aol.com> writes

Well actually, I havn't lost the bet yet on a technicality, he said that
it did have a name and I bet I could find out what it was, he won't tell
me and I can't find out so it's stalemate...:/

Anyway thanks for the offer, but I only drink within walking distance,
that way I don't get lost !.

ATB...

Ian

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Ian Douglas

[Doc Blanchard]

Tell him it's name is Bob and make him prove you wrong! - I think he's
messing with your head or he'd collect his bet.

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have had a name prior to modern fiction.
Layamon provided a complete(?) list of Arthur's named goodies and it
wasn't on that. Scabbards weren't named historically and even though
this is a magical scabbard, it isn't named in it's primary source (Mallory)
so any name would likely be a late addition.

[clarkp...@gmail.com]

I think it was called avalon, from where it was made? not sure though

[John W Kennedy]

On 2013-10-08 12:20:26 +0000, clarkp...@gmail.com said:

> I think it was called avalon, from where it was made? not sure though

It has no name in the main stream. Any poet or novelist could have made
one up, of course.


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[khimer.bu...@gmail.com]

I name was Avalon :3

[John W Kennedy]

On 2014-06-27 10:32:38 +0000, khimer.bu...@gmail.com said:

> I name was Avalon :3

According to whom? Or did Morgan le Fay whisper it to you in the middle
of the night?

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And the heart of our lord Taliessin determined the war."
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[theredc...@gmail.com]

Avalon was the name given in Fate/stay night and zero, but there is no canon name I can find. One of life's mysteries

[afeeq...@gmail.com]

Excalibur's scabbard/sheath's name is... Avalon, I think?

[Phillip Helbig---undress to reply]

In article <737d6f6e-1a57-46e8...@googlegroups.com>,

afeeq...@gmail.com writes:

> Excalibur's scabbard/sheath's name is... Avalon, I think?

Is this supposed to be some sort of joke? If you don't know even such
basic stuff, just keep quiet.

Avalon is an island, as in "the isle of Avalon".

[John W Kennedy]

While that is true, as mentioned earlier in the thread, "Avalon" was
used by at least one modern writer to name the scabbard.

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[Phillip Helbig---undress to reply]

In article <2014102613091046648-jwkenne@attglobalnet>, John W Kennedy

<jwk...@attglobal.net> writes:

> > Avalon is an island, as in "the isle of Avalon".
>
> While that is true, as mentioned earlier in the thread, "Avalon" was
> used by at least one modern writer to name the scabbard.

Modern writer? If a modern writer renamed Guinevere to Shakira, would
it be relevant?

[John W Kennedy]

In the case of "Merlin", it might have made more sense. But...

What was the name of King Lot's wife?

For that matter, what was Lot's kingdom?

Did Arthur and Guinevere have a legitimate son?

Who was Mordred's mother?

And you're upset over the name of an inanimate object?

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[kristof...@gmail.com]

Caliburn

[geiser...@gmail.com]

I'm far from an expert on Arthurian legend but I believe the scabbard was unnamed, and Caliburn was another name used in place of excaliber it just depended on the language used

[Bert Olton]

You're on the right track. The name "Caliburn" for our favorite King's
sword actually appeared first in better known Arthurian literature in
Geoffrey of Monmouth's work circa 1140 AD. Excalibur is probably a
corrupt form originating in Old French a couple of hundred years later.

In seminal literature the scabbard appears often, with many variations
as to powers and value, but is not named.

Best regards,
Bert

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[palomares...@gmail.com]

the scabbard had no name whatsoever, or it didn't was even mentioned,

not in the original Merlin tale or Arthurian legends.

the reason it is said to be named "Avalon" in the Fate stay Night novel, is because it resembles and embodies the power of what the utopic land of Avalon is:

an unreachable utopia where no one fears or gets hurt, where no one hunger or dies, a place where all wounds get healed.

[99jo...@gmail.com]

Avalon

[John W Kennedy]

On 2015-07-24 00:12:41 +0000, 99jo...@gmail.com said:

> Avalon

No. Perhaps someone has made a name up, but no name for the Scabbard is
to be found in Geoffrey, Wace, Layamon, de Boron (that we know of), the
Vulgate, the Post-Vulgate, Malory, or any other important text.

(Bloody Thread That Will Not Die)

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[daid.na...@gmail.com]

If memory serves the scabbard was called Avalon.

[John W Kennedy]

On 2015-08-18 14:59:38 +0000, daid.na...@gmail.com said:

> If memory serves the scabbard was called Avalon.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!

Stop it!

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[hawk...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 15, 1996 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Ian Douglas wrote:
> Hello All...
>
> Could anyone tell me if the scabbard that held excalibur had a name?...
>
> Many thanks...
> Ian
>
>
> --
> Ian Douglas

Caledfwich from the Welsh also known as Calesvol. Protected the wearer from harm in battle, also it was the only thing more powerful than Excalibur as no other scabbard could contain the SWORD OF POWER.

[John W Kennedy]

"Caledfwich" is the Welsh name of the sword, itself. "Calesvol" is its
Cornish name.

People, for God's sake, stop pulling answers to this question out of
your arseholes. This stupid thread has been running for nearly twenty
years, and the answer is what it always has been: the scabbard of
Excalibur has no name at all in any important text.

If it must have a name, I nominate "Grurmstipth".

--
John W Kennedy
"Information is light. Information, in itself, about anything, is light."
-- Tom Stoppard. "Night and Day"

[niles....@gmail.com]

The name of Arthur's Scabbard is "Arthur's Scabbard'. It has no other name as it was made for Arthur to hold Caledfwlch by the lady of the lake. It's power was "more terrible" than the sword because: 1) It could contain the sword's power. 2) It, and whomever held it, was elevated beyond all mortal limitations. Including death.

[insanemin...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 7 August 1996 08:00:00 UTC+1, Andrea Luxenburg wrote:

> SFLE...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU wrote:
> >
> > According to a book I have the name of Arthur's Shield was Wynebgwrthucher.
> >
> > -S-
>

> what book?

How the hell do you pronounce "Wynebgwrthucher"? Also, was your post seriously in 1996? Cause that seems like Google making an error to me...

[John W Kennedy]

No, it's real. This is the Thread That Will Not Die.

Going back to the original question, there is no established name for
the scabbard, though there's nothing to stop J. Random Hack-Novelist
from making one up.

"Wynebgwrthucher" looks weird in English, but it is perfectly
pronouncable in Welsh (hint: in Welsh, "w" can be a vowel), and it is
the name of Arthur's shield in at least one old text.

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John W Kennedy
"Compact is becoming contract,
Man only earns and pays."
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[kiis...@gmail.com]

Durendal... No full confirmation however that is the running theory

[John W Kennedy]

On 2016-05-11 22:02:18 +0000, kiis...@gmail.com said:

> Durendal... No full confirmation however that is the running theory

O not at all, not at all, and most not-at-all not at all, and yet again
not at all, and after that, out of all whooping!

The scabbard of Excalibur has no traditional name whatsoever! (Anyone,
of course, can make one up. You can call it "Old Saint Mumpledum" if
you like.)

"Durendal" is an especially stupid suggestion, since it is the name of
a sword, Roland's sword, in particular, out of the matière de France,
not the matière de Bretagne.

What is it about this asinine thread that it should be still wasting
people's time with its infernal nonsense since Bill Clinton's first
administration? Babies have been conceived and born, raised and
schooled, and are now adults, and yet this grand procession of nonsense
continues!

[wyr...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 12:55:41 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:

Raising Heart!

Sorry, I figured since other people are throwing random anime nonsense in, I may as well send it over the top.

That said, Google brought me here because I was looking for information on just the scabbard (not its name), and this was right below the Wikipedia entry for Excalibur. So that's probably why the thread won't die.

Your suggestion of "Grurmstipth" is just as possible. :) Doesn't flow off the tongue very well, though.

[number39ta...@gmail.com]

The name of Excaliber's scabbard is Avalon

[John W Kennedy]

On 2016-07-24 07:41:56 +0000, number39ta...@gmail.com said:

> The name of Excaliber's scabbard is Avalon

No it bloody isn't, outside of one Japanese videogame franchise.

[koalab...@gmail.com]

As a fan of the Fate/ series I enjoyed this very much. Happy 20 year thread!

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 10/24/2016 12:38 AM, koalab...@gmail.com wrote:
> As a fan of the Fate/ series I enjoyed this very much. Happy 20 year thread!

Did you also watch Fate Zero?

How about Fate Kaleid? :)

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[ajduc...@gmail.com]

The scabbard has no name. Given the choice, 'Henrietta' seems appropriate.

[20.abiga...@kkhs.k12.hi.us]

The scabbard might be named Avalon.

[John W Kennedy]

On 12/2/16 1:54 PM, 20.abiga...@kkhs.k12.hi.us wrote:
> The scabbard might be named Avalon.

Only in one series of Japanese videogames. In general, it has no name in
either Welsh/Breton legend or in French/German/English literature.

As of last July, this thread has been running for twenty years, and the
answer has not changed.

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Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
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[vash....@yahoo.com]

A Legend is a tale told for years.
Like in a game of Telephone, words change as the Times do.
The Current Legend holds that Caliburn was the sword in the stone that is lost to time, while Excalibur is gained from the Lady of the Lake.
So, as the story changes with each telling (See the original Fairy Tales that Disney takes from).
That being said, I would believe that if the sheath didn't have a name in the beginning; it has gained one.

"Avalon" is the name it has Earned.

[John W Kennedy]

You voted for Donald Trump, didn’t you?

[vash....@yahoo.com]

No, but I do believe you did, you cur.

[John W Kennedy]

On 3/23/17 12:29 PM, vash....@yahoo.com wrote:
> No, but I do believe you did, you cur.

You’ve abandoned the entire concept of objective truth. Of course you
voted for Trump.

[vash....@yahoo.com]

The very story of King Arthur is built on Fantasy.
There might've been a king he is based on, but The Lady of the Lady and Merlin's Magic is the stuff of fairy tales.

Grow up and accept that you are living in your own world with no Windows.

Arthur's Sheath's name is Avalon.

Deal with it.

[John W Kennedy]

On 3/25/17 5:12 PM, vash....@yahoo.com wrote:
> The very story of King Arthur is built on Fantasy.
> There might've been a king he is based on, but The Lady of the Lady and Merlin's Magic is the stuff of fairy tales.

Oh for God’s sake, look up the term “universe of discourse”. Read, mark,
learn, and inwardly digest it.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

If you were to laugh at fairy tales, it's the Holy Grail. Is it the
wooden cup that's contaminated with Jesus' blood? Or is it something else?

On the Holy Sword Excalibur, you would first find the Lady of the Lake.
What exactly is "Lady of the Lake"? Which lake? What "lady"?

On Avalon, well, how many of us are qualified to go there?

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 28/03/2017 1:10 AM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>
> Oh for God’s sake, look up the term “universe of discourse”. Read, mark,
> learn, and inwardly digest it.

I heard that not everyone could touch and pick up Excalibur.... very
much like Thor's hammer in Avengers movies! :)

[John W Kennedy]

On 3/27/17 2:18 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 26/03/2017 5:12 AM, vash....@yahoo.com wrote:
>> The very story of King Arthur is built on Fantasy.
>> There might've been a king he is based on, but The Lady of the Lady
>> and Merlin's Magic is the stuff of fairy tales.
>>
>> Grow up and accept that you are living in your own world with no Windows.
>>
>> Arthur's Sheath's name is Avalon.
>
> If you were to laugh at fairy tales, it's the Holy Grail. Is it the
> wooden cup that's contaminated with Jesus' blood? Or is it something else?
>
> On the Holy Sword Excalibur, you would first find the Lady of the Lake.
> What exactly is "Lady of the Lake"? Which lake? What "lady"?

She is called so because she is the ruler of a city that, if you are not
welcome there, is a lake to you.

> On Avalon, well, how many of us are qualified to go there?
>


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[chanceh...@gmail.com]

wow, this is a topic that began before i was even born, and still to this day, is being discussed


i think that if one is to do enough research into the sword of Excalibur itself, then the name of the scabbard will present itself, it is said in legend that Excalibur was sentient('loosely Living'), and would one not think that the scabbard for such a blade would be as well? The scabbard was said to protect both the blade, and the user(Arthur), meaning that it had to have some form of sentience, and thus having a proper name to be addressed by, the Excalibur and the Scabbard had some form of test in order to grant the right to use them, and thus learn their name, we know Excalibur, but not the Scabbard

[cwilso...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 15, 1996 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Ian Douglas wrote:
> Hello All...
>
> Could anyone tell me if the scabbard that held excalibur had a name?...
>
> Many thanks...
> Ian
>
>
> --
> Ian Douglas

I don't recall it ever having a name. However, I do recall Merlin asking Arthur if, given a choice, he would rather keep Excalibur or its sheath. Arthur laughed at what he thought was a silly question, claiming he would rather keep Excalibur. Merlin responded by saying this was an unwise choice, as the sheath was where the real magic was.

[seth.le...@gmail.com]

It's Avalon

[chin...@gmail.com]

The scabbard of Excalibur is Avalon,maybe....

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 13/7/2017 11:21 PM, chin...@gmail.com wrote:
> The scabbard of Excalibur is Avalon,maybe....
>

Avalon was a place not an object as far as I knew....

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 13/7/2017 8:33 AM, seth.le...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's Avalon

[John W Kennedy]

On 7/12/17 8:33 PM, seth.le...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's Avalon

Only in one Japanese videogame. Christ! This stupid thread has been
running since the 90s, and the answer is always the same. The scabbard
of Excalibur has no established name.

[John W Kennedy]

On 7/13/17 11:21 AM, chin...@gmail.com wrote:
> The scabbard of Excalibur is Avalon,maybe....

No it bloody well isn’t. The scabbard has no name, outside of one stupid
Japanese videogame.

[ryu...@hotmail.com]

On Monday, July 15, 1996 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, Ian Douglas wrote:
> Hello All...
>
> Could anyone tell me if the scabbard that held excalibur had a name?...
>
> Many thanks...
> Ian
>
>
> --
> Ian Douglas

The scabbard is nameless... BUT in the Fate series it is called Avalon, of which is originally the name for the island from the legends. So ONLY I repeat ONLY the Fate series gave it a name, not the original legends.

[John W Kennedy]

On 10/8/13 8:20 AM, clarkp...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think it was called avalon, from where it was made? not sure though

Only in one stupid Japanese videogame.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 14/9/2017 1:48 AM, John W Kennedy wrote:
> On 10/8/13 8:20 AM, clarkp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I think it was called avalon, from where it was made? not sure though
>
> Only in one stupid Japanese videogame.
>

Isn't Avalon the place where kings went after death?

[John W Kennedy]

On 9/15/17 11:38 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 14/9/2017 1:48 AM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>> On 10/8/13 8:20 AM, clarkp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I think it was called avalon, from where it was made? not sure though
>>
>> Only in one stupid Japanese videogame.
>>
>
> Isn't Avalon the place where kings went after death?

Or at least Arthur. And it is often identified with Glastonbury,
although it is supposed to be an island (but then it would take only a
little more global warming to make Glastonbury an island again).

This stupid thread is now over 21 years old.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 16/9/2017 12:05 AM, John W Kennedy wrote:
>
> Or at least Arthur. And it is often identified with Glastonbury,
> although it is supposed to be an island (but then it would take only a
> little more global warming to make Glastonbury an island again).
>
> This stupid thread is now over 21 years old.

Anyone remember a series of old PC games called Ultima? It referenced
Avalon if I remember correctly.... :)

[thesonso...@gmail.com]

Then again, you are quoting a game, it isn't actually reliably accurate. Guys, why are you repeating answers that have been used over and over and over again that we've establish is a location and not the actual scabbard? are you guys that incapable of reading?

[mygamble...@gmail.com]

Excalibur's scabbard had no formal name christened to it in traditional mythology; however, 'Avalon' can be a valid name for it. Excalibur and its scabbard were made on the Isle of Avalon. As such, a way of specifically designating the enchanted scabbard could be 'Excalibur's scabbard crafted on the Isle of Avalon'. While 'Excalibur's Scabbard' would be the most proper way of designating the scabbard, seeing as scabbards were not traditionally named, noting either the origin or the quality of an enchanted item (such as the scabbard) would not be out of place in referencing it. As the scabbard itself is a legendary item, despite lacking a name, it would not be wrong to refer to the scabbard as 'the scabbard of Avalon' or just 'Avalon'.

Now, can 'Avalon' count as being the scabbard's 'true' name? No. But names are merely accepted labels to refer to a person or thing. Referring to the scabbard as 'Avalon', while improper, would not be incorrect and it can, in fact, qualify as being one of the scabbard's names, even if it was applied after the fact. The scabbard also represented certain aspects and ideals equally applied to the isle of Avalon, so crossing the names of the two would be fair as you can argue the name 'Avalon' refers to the utopian ideals of prosperity and continuance rather than just the isle itself.

My final answer: Scabbard has no name originally, but referring to it by names such as "Excalibur's Scabbard", "Excalibur's scabbard crafted on the Isle of Avalon", "The Scabbard of Avalon", or even just "Avalon" would not be inappropriate nor out of place, albeit it is improper to refer to it simply as "Avalon".

[John W Kennedy]

According to whom?

> As such, a way of specifically designating the enchanted scabbard could
> be 'Excalibur's scabbard crafted on the Isle of Avalon'. While
> 'Excalibur's Scabbard' would be the most proper way of designating the
> scabbard, seeing as scabbards were not traditionally named, noting
> either the origin or the quality of an enchanted item (such as the
> scabbard) would not be out of place in referencing it. As the scabbard
> itself is a legendary item, despite lacking a name, it would not be
> wrong to refer to the scabbard as 'the scabbard of Avalon' or just 'Avalon'.
>
> Now, can 'Avalon' count as being the scabbard's 'true' name? No. But
> names are merely accepted labels to refer to a person or thing.
> Referring to the scabbard as 'Avalon', while improper, would not be
> incorrect and it can, in fact, qualify as being one of the scabbard's
> names, even if it was applied after the fact. The scabbard also
> represented certain aspects and ideals equally applied to the isle of
> Avalon, so crossing the names of the two would be fair as you can
> argue the name 'Avalon' refers to the utopian ideals of prosperity
> and continuance rather than just the isle itself.
>
> My final answer: Scabbard has no name originally, but referring to it
> by names such as "Excalibur's Scabbard", "Excalibur's scabbard
> crafted on the Isle of Avalon", "The Scabbard of Avalon", or even
> just "Avalon" would not be inappropriate nor out of place, albeit it
> is improper to refer to it simply as "Avalon".
>

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 29/9/2017 5:58 AM, thesonso...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Then again, you are quoting a game, it isn't actually reliably accurate.

It's just a side-track. Sorry...

> Guys, why are you repeating answers that have been used over ...
>

I will be reading... :)

[buddy...@gmail.com]

the Scabbard shares its name with the land as it is the embodiment of the everdistant utopia, Avalon

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 5/10/2017 2:49 AM, buddy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> the Scabbard shares its name with the land as it is the embodiment of the everdistant utopia, Avalon
>

First time hearing this. Let me do my homework... :)

[dans...@gmail.com]

The name excalibur denotes both sword and scabbard, apart they neither have a name.

[John W Kennedy]

On 10/7/17 3:12 PM, dans...@gmail.com wrote:
> The name excalibur denotes both sword and scabbard, apart they neither have a name.

No. Stop making up lies.

[thesonso...@gmail.com]

because apparently people like to say stuff without thinking "maybe 2-3 dozen people already thought to mention this."

[John W Kennedy]

On 11/23/17 5:39 AM, julien...@gmail.com wrote:
> holy shit did this actually start in 1996?
>
Yup. The Star Wars prequels hadn’t started filming. The Corrs had never
appeared at the Royal Albert Hall. Most homes, if they had the Internet
at all, were on dial-up. “Babylon 5” was only halfway through its run.
Almost no one was coding in Objective-C.

[mygamble...@gmail.com]

You ask "According to whom" about multiple paragraphs of text that all have different details and information. Are you asking about the location the scabbard came from? It's well known it came from the isles of Avalon. It's an integral part for the scabbard's myth. Maybe you're asking about my comment where I said scabbards were not generally named? This is something you can find simply by trying to research named scabbards, and while you may find a few, it'll be far and few between. Perhaps you're questioning where I get the idea you can call the scabbard "the scabbard of Avalon"? What else would be a reasonable thing to refer to an ancient relic without a name of its own aside from by referring to its creator or homeland? It's not like it'd be unprecedented. "The Sword in the Lake" and "The Sword in the Stone" both denote locations where the sword was received after all. Perhaps you're objecting to me saying "Avalon" does not count as the scabbard's true name? I mean, that would be pedantic because we'd then have to determine what constitutes a "true name". Maybe you dislike the fact I pointed out that Avalon was more of a conceptual relic than a physical relic, representative of the ideals of Avalon? For that, I'd say research the artifact in question and read the myths. How about I propose this: You're just mad, as evident by your later response to "dans...", I said that the scabbard did not originally have a name, as supported by its lack of name in the texts, but that the scabbard could be referred to by a variety of things due to various other aspects of context. Or, maybe, in reality, you legitimately want to know my source. In which case, just read the myths and you'll see it came from Avalon, it didn't have a name of its own, and that the properties attributed to it are a reflection of the ideals attributed to the isle. It really does just take a bit of reading through Arthurian legend.

[mygamble...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 5:39:08 AM UTC-5, julien...@gmail.com wrote:
> holy shit did this actually start in 1996?

I hate to break it to you, but no. It looks like it started in July of 2013. based on the dates between the posts. Otherwise, there was a random 17 year gap in the conversation... Also... Google didn't exist until 1998...

[John W Kennedy]

Give a citation.

[John W Kennedy]

Google has nothing to do with it. The USENET system went on-line in 1980.

[charlieh...@gmail.com]

You all are dipshits... I was there and personally named the scabbard myself - her name is Vicki.

[leviath...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 15, 1996 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Ian Douglas wrote:
> Hello All...
>
> Could anyone tell me if the scabbard that held excalibur had a name?...
>
> Many thanks...
> Ian
>
>
> --
> Ian Douglas

Almost 22 years have passed, and the furthest this has gotten is:
A: It has no name.
B: it is called Calesvol.
C: it is called Grurmstipth.
D: it is called Avalon.
E: it is called Arthur's Scabbard.
F: it is called vikki.
Honestly, D is from an Anime/Game series but it was name so to honor the tale; so if you don't want to cal it that just call it E.

Happy 2018 btw

[pennjon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 15, 1996 at 5:00:00 PM UTC+10, Ian Douglas wrote:
> Hello All...
>
> Could anyone tell me if the scabbard that held excalibur had a name?...
>
> Many thanks...
> Ian
>
>
> --
> Ian Douglas

your prettu hot

[pennjon...@gmail.com]

[thepfcsil...@gmail.com]

This thread is legendary, and I don't have a significant contribution other than to say in all my reading, the scabbard was not named. I wonder if Ian ever got back to this.

- Kevin Silva (no middle name was given, but it may exist)

[alqa...@gmail.com]

Anyway, little bit out of topic I guess... What is the difference of Caliburn and Excalibur? Is that two is the same sword? or it's not?

[John W Kennedy]

On 6/20/18 2:26 PM, alqa...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyway, little bit out of topic I guess... What is the difference of Caliburn and Excalibur? Is that two is the same sword? or it's not?

It’s a long, complex story involving many languages. See “Excalibur” in
Wikipedia. The short version is that it was “Caliburnus” in Geoffrey’s
Latin, and that evolved into “Excalibur” in French, and both of them
have appeared in English form.

[mygamble...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 2:26:29 PM UTC-4, alqa...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyway, little bit out of topic I guess... What is the difference of Caliburn and Excalibur? Is that two is the same sword? or it's not?

Essentially, what John W Kennedy said.

When dealing with names of weapons, you have to consider the etymology of the item in question and the circumstances of its name being recorded. It's quite simply a matter of different writers recording the stories of the Arthurian Cycle in different languages despite being somewhat around the same-ish time (during the 12th Century).

For added complexity, however: It is worth noting that Caliburn/Excalibur may or may not be the Sword in the Stone as well. Some renderings of the tale say it is. Others do not. Due to circumstances, it's quite hard to be certain which is the case. Perhaps they were 2 different swords with a common name, or perhaps time caused the Choosing Sword's name to fade only to be replaced with Caliburn's. Which is the truth, if either? The world may never know.

(Deleted original because I double-checked a piece of information and saw I had an error.)

[landr...@gmail.com]

So i guess searching for the scabbards names is going to be my assignment from now on. Happy 23 years LoL.
St. Nana here from modern generation LoL

[John W Kennedy]

On 7/21/18 4:16 AM, landr...@gmail.com wrote:
> So i guess searching for the scabbards names is going to be my assignment from now on. Happy 23 years LoL.
> St. Nana here from modern generation LoL

You can start by walking the Glastonbury Tor Maze. But beware! They do
say there’s a hidden back door to Hell there.

[joaoale...@gmail.com]

I head that in the original story the name of the scabbard was Avalon

Just kidding, i find it just amazing how this thread is running for over 20 years, wow, this is amazing! Also protips for you, John, for all these years, you're just as amazint as this thread.

I also came here looking for the name of the scabbard in the Fate series, but anyone who comes here saying "the name is Avalon" is just trolling.

[truei...@gmail.com]

Wouldn’t it be 22 years now?

[kaiju...@gmail.com]

Does a scabbard name really that important? It's purpose is to protect the user from cutting themself.

[John W Kennedy]

On 2/8/19 1:55 AM, kaiju...@gmail.com wrote:
> Does a scabbard name really that important? It's purpose is to protect the user from cutting themself.

On the one hand, that’s not true of the scabbard of Excalibur.

“Whether liketh you better, said Merlin, the sword or the scabbard? Me
liketh better the sword, said Arthur. Ye are more unwise, said Merlin,
for the scabbard is worth ten of the sword, for while ye have the
scabbard upon you ye shall never lose no blood, be ye never so sore
wounded, therefore keep well the scabbard always with you.”

On the other hand, apart from one Japanese videogame franchise, it is an
objective fact that the scabbard, unlike Excalibur itself, has no name.

[derp...@gmail.com]

Obviously it’s https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.legend.king-arthur/KdPPKoreMLk , either the tor it’s the newest user of Avalon due to being unable to die.

[derp...@gmail.com]

But in truth, for my non fascisuous statement, and or to give my two cents. I’d just call it by it’s homeland and or inspiration of sorts in some myths: “Avalon”. It is also what a certain anime puts it as. It may not have a name, but I do believe Avalon is a fitting substitute for now due to the abilities of tens rtifact in legend. Besides, if there was a name it’s proabbyl been changed 50 different times by several authors. Arthurian legends have a tendency to change quite a bit from what I understand, is caliburn being excalibur, caliburn being the sword I the stone, excalibur being an entirely different sword, just call it as you please and run with whatever you like.

[braydon...@gmail.com]

Avalon is definitely the name of the scabbard.