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On 10 Jan 2022, Trump Fucked Up <soll...@gmail.com> posted some
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> Why isn't the fireman who was fucking Jennifer Crumbley going to jail
> as an accessory?
Shannon Smith is pretty hot. I'd do her.
https://cdn.hourdetroit.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2022/06/attorney-
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PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) — A conviction in the unprecedented trial of a
Michigan school shooter’s mother will stand as a milestone to law
enforcers across the U.S. as well as a stark reminder to parents with guns
in their home.
But experts who followed Jennifer Crumbley’s involuntary manslaughter case
note that events related to the Oxford High School attack were
extraordinary and might not match other cases where parental blame could
be weighed.
“I’m not a big believer that any one conviction creates some sort of
landslide effect,” said Detroit-area lawyer Margaret Raben, the former
leader of a statewide association of defense attorneys.
“Prosecutors bring charges they think they can prove,” she said. “The
facts are horrible. I don’t know Jennifer Crumbley. But it’s fair to say a
lot of people were alarmed at the way she was parenting this kid — or not
parenting.”
WHAT HAPPENED?
The parents of Ethan Crumbley, were summoned to his school on Nov. 30,
2021, to discuss the 15-year-old’s violent drawing on a math assignment
with desperate phrases: “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me. My life is
useless.”
The school’s concern was that he might be suicidal, not that he was a
threat to others. His parents declined to take him home and instead said
they would look at a list of mental health services.
A few hours later, Ethan Crumbley pulled a Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun from his
backpack and began firing. No one had checked the bag. He shot 11 people,
killing four students.
The shooter, now 17, pleaded guilty and is serving a life sentence.
PARENTS PURSUED
A jury in Oakland County, Michigan, convicted Jennifer Crumbley, 45, of
involuntary manslaughter Tuesday. Prosecutors argued that she was grossly
negligent in not securing the gun and had a legal duty to prevent her son
from harming others, even if she didn’t know his specific plan.
James Crumbley took him to a gun shop four days before the attack and
bought the Sig Sauer, which the teen called his “beauty.” Jennifer
Crumbley took him to a gun range that same weekend, buying 100 rounds of
ammunition.
Those facts were not shared with school officials during the meeting on
the day of the shooting, according to trial testimony. Jennifer Crumbley
told jurors it was “irrelevant.” She said she saw no signs of mental
distress and pinned responsibility for gun storage on her husband.
The jury forewoman said Jennifer Crumbley wasn’t a “super reliable
witness.” She told NBC’s “Today” show that some jurors were influenced by
Ethan Crumbley’s journal, in which he lamented his parent’s lack of
interest in his mental health.
REACTION TO THE VERDICT
Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard, whose office investigated the
parents, said the jury “plowed new ground with this verdict.”
Everytown for Gun Safety, a national advocacy group that works on policies
to reduce gun violence, said the verdict shows the Oxford shooting could
have been prevented, especially with proper gun storage.
“The charges in this case were remarkable. The number of signs missed and
decisions made were just too hard to ignore,” Nick Suplina, senior vice
president for law and policy, said Wednesday.
Lawyers in the case have declined to comment, citing a gag order imposed
by Judge Cheryl Matthews.
In Illinois, in a different case of parental responsibility, Robert Crimo
Jr. last year pleaded guilty to misdemeanors for sponsoring his 19-year-
old son’s gun license. He was accused of knowing about Robert Crimo III’s
suicidal thoughts and threats against others. The son is charged with
killing seven people at a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park in 2022.
THE SENTENCE
The maximum penalty for involuntary manslaughter is 15 years in prison.
Matthews’ job on April 9 will be to set the minimum term to be served
before Jennifer Crumbley is eligible for parole.
That minimum could be as high as 10 years, said Raben, adding that the
sentences on four convictions would likely be served at the same time and
not stacked.
As she considers a sentence, the judge undoubtedly will think about
Jennifer Crumbley’s testimony in which she expressed no regrets about how
she dealt with her son and the school on the day of the shooting. “We did
lose a lot,” she said, summing up the tragedy.
“The message that sent to parents, the victims, the jurors was
incredible,” said Richard Convertino, a former federal prosecutor who
watched the seven-day trial. “I think it was misstep after misstep by the
defense.”
He noted that defense attorney Shannon Smith began her opening statement
to jurors with an odd reference to a Taylor Swift song about “Band-Aids”
and “bullet holes.”
In her closing argument, Smith took the unusual tack of referring to her
own family to try to deflect an unflattering portrayal of Jennifer
Crumbley.
“It does not mean she loved her son any less if she ever told a witness,
‘My son is weird,’” Smith said. “I have sent texts to my husband saying,
‘Our daughter is a psycho today.’ On the way to school last week she’s
crying, she doesn’t have people to sit with at lunch. I texted him, ‘She’s
a nut case.’”
Smith wondered if she would be responsible if her teen son sent a nude
picture of his “bits and pieces” to a girl on a phone that she owns.
Convertino said Jennifer Crumbley’s trial defense was a “losing
proposition from the start and went down from there.”
FATHER’S TRIAL
James Crumbley, 47, faces his own involuntary manslaughter trial on March
5.
He, too, will be confronted with evidence that he didn’t do enough to help
his son before the shooting. Jurors will see images of him and Ethan
buying the gun.
Prosecutors also have a crucial piece of evidence: A call to 911 that
implies he quickly figured his son could be the shooter at Oxford High.
“I raced home just to, like, find out, and I think my son took the gun. I
don’t know if it’s him. I don’t know what’s going on. I am really freaking
out. My son’s name is Ethan Crumbley,” he said on that call.
https://apnews.com/article/oxford-high-school-shooting-parents-charged-
47cdcdca2fbe801fb521d77caafcae45
news:e37fd93d-ff01-4800...@googlegroups.com:
> Why isn't the fireman who was fucking Jennifer Crumbley going to jail
> as an accessory?
Shannon Smith is pretty hot. I'd do her.
https://cdn.hourdetroit.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2022/06/attorney-
shannon-smith.jpg
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) — A conviction in the unprecedented trial of a
Michigan school shooter’s mother will stand as a milestone to law
enforcers across the U.S. as well as a stark reminder to parents with guns
in their home.
But experts who followed Jennifer Crumbley’s involuntary manslaughter case
note that events related to the Oxford High School attack were
extraordinary and might not match other cases where parental blame could
be weighed.
“I’m not a big believer that any one conviction creates some sort of
landslide effect,” said Detroit-area lawyer Margaret Raben, the former
leader of a statewide association of defense attorneys.
“Prosecutors bring charges they think they can prove,” she said. “The
facts are horrible. I don’t know Jennifer Crumbley. But it’s fair to say a
lot of people were alarmed at the way she was parenting this kid — or not
parenting.”
WHAT HAPPENED?
The parents of Ethan Crumbley, were summoned to his school on Nov. 30,
2021, to discuss the 15-year-old’s violent drawing on a math assignment
with desperate phrases: “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me. My life is
useless.”
The school’s concern was that he might be suicidal, not that he was a
threat to others. His parents declined to take him home and instead said
they would look at a list of mental health services.
A few hours later, Ethan Crumbley pulled a Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun from his
backpack and began firing. No one had checked the bag. He shot 11 people,
killing four students.
The shooter, now 17, pleaded guilty and is serving a life sentence.
PARENTS PURSUED
A jury in Oakland County, Michigan, convicted Jennifer Crumbley, 45, of
involuntary manslaughter Tuesday. Prosecutors argued that she was grossly
negligent in not securing the gun and had a legal duty to prevent her son
from harming others, even if she didn’t know his specific plan.
James Crumbley took him to a gun shop four days before the attack and
bought the Sig Sauer, which the teen called his “beauty.” Jennifer
Crumbley took him to a gun range that same weekend, buying 100 rounds of
ammunition.
Those facts were not shared with school officials during the meeting on
the day of the shooting, according to trial testimony. Jennifer Crumbley
told jurors it was “irrelevant.” She said she saw no signs of mental
distress and pinned responsibility for gun storage on her husband.
The jury forewoman said Jennifer Crumbley wasn’t a “super reliable
witness.” She told NBC’s “Today” show that some jurors were influenced by
Ethan Crumbley’s journal, in which he lamented his parent’s lack of
interest in his mental health.
REACTION TO THE VERDICT
Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard, whose office investigated the
parents, said the jury “plowed new ground with this verdict.”
Everytown for Gun Safety, a national advocacy group that works on policies
to reduce gun violence, said the verdict shows the Oxford shooting could
have been prevented, especially with proper gun storage.
“The charges in this case were remarkable. The number of signs missed and
decisions made were just too hard to ignore,” Nick Suplina, senior vice
president for law and policy, said Wednesday.
Lawyers in the case have declined to comment, citing a gag order imposed
by Judge Cheryl Matthews.
In Illinois, in a different case of parental responsibility, Robert Crimo
Jr. last year pleaded guilty to misdemeanors for sponsoring his 19-year-
old son’s gun license. He was accused of knowing about Robert Crimo III’s
suicidal thoughts and threats against others. The son is charged with
killing seven people at a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park in 2022.
THE SENTENCE
The maximum penalty for involuntary manslaughter is 15 years in prison.
Matthews’ job on April 9 will be to set the minimum term to be served
before Jennifer Crumbley is eligible for parole.
That minimum could be as high as 10 years, said Raben, adding that the
sentences on four convictions would likely be served at the same time and
not stacked.
As she considers a sentence, the judge undoubtedly will think about
Jennifer Crumbley’s testimony in which she expressed no regrets about how
she dealt with her son and the school on the day of the shooting. “We did
lose a lot,” she said, summing up the tragedy.
“The message that sent to parents, the victims, the jurors was
incredible,” said Richard Convertino, a former federal prosecutor who
watched the seven-day trial. “I think it was misstep after misstep by the
defense.”
He noted that defense attorney Shannon Smith began her opening statement
to jurors with an odd reference to a Taylor Swift song about “Band-Aids”
and “bullet holes.”
In her closing argument, Smith took the unusual tack of referring to her
own family to try to deflect an unflattering portrayal of Jennifer
Crumbley.
“It does not mean she loved her son any less if she ever told a witness,
‘My son is weird,’” Smith said. “I have sent texts to my husband saying,
‘Our daughter is a psycho today.’ On the way to school last week she’s
crying, she doesn’t have people to sit with at lunch. I texted him, ‘She’s
a nut case.’”
Smith wondered if she would be responsible if her teen son sent a nude
picture of his “bits and pieces” to a girl on a phone that she owns.
Convertino said Jennifer Crumbley’s trial defense was a “losing
proposition from the start and went down from there.”
FATHER’S TRIAL
James Crumbley, 47, faces his own involuntary manslaughter trial on March
5.
He, too, will be confronted with evidence that he didn’t do enough to help
his son before the shooting. Jurors will see images of him and Ethan
buying the gun.
Prosecutors also have a crucial piece of evidence: A call to 911 that
implies he quickly figured his son could be the shooter at Oxford High.
“I raced home just to, like, find out, and I think my son took the gun. I
don’t know if it’s him. I don’t know what’s going on. I am really freaking
out. My son’s name is Ethan Crumbley,” he said on that call.
https://apnews.com/article/oxford-high-school-shooting-parents-charged-
47cdcdca2fbe801fb521d77caafcae45
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