Good news! Cop splatters into truck, roasts and dies!
Tom Alciere
The Advocate (Baton Rouge LA) 19 Oct 1999
Gramercy police chief dies in Airline Highway
accident
By JOE GYAN JR.
New Orleans bureau
GRAMERCY -- Police Chief Mike Kahl, who took
office 11 months ago, was
killed early Monday afternoon when his unmarked
police car rear-ended a
truck on Airline Highway in St. John the
Baptist Parish, a Louisiana State Police official
said.
==================================
Note: Louisiana doesn't have counties, it
has parishes. Despite its name, St. John the
Baptist
Parish is a political subdivision. --Tom
==================================
"The whole town is in deep sorrow," St. James
Parish Sheriff Willy Martin Jr. said. "It's just a
tragedy."
==================================
What's one less cop running around waging
the politicians' War on Drugs? --Tom
==================================
Kahl is the second police chief of Gramercy to
die in office in as many years. In January 1998,
Police Chief Carl Spizale Sr. died at the age of
56 from a ruptured blood vessel in his head.
Kahl, 43, was driving north on Airline Highway
in Reserve about 12:35 p.m. Monday when his 1993
Ford Crown Victoria ran underneath a Southern
Chemical Inc. flatbed truck stopped in the left
lane preparing to make a left turn on Terrehaute
Road, said State Police Sgt. William Davis, who is
stationed at State Police headquarters in Baton
Rouge.
"It's still under investigation, but it appears
there was no braking (by Kahl) prior to the
crash," Davis said.
Trooper Kevin Cannatella with State Police
Troop B in Kenner said there were no skid marks.
Cannatella was among those investigating the
scene of the accident.
Kahl's car caught fire, and a St. John the
Baptist Parish sheriff's deputy who happened to be
near the accident scene tried to put out the
flames with a fire extinguisher, Davis said.
The deputy twice thought he had the fire out,
but each time the flames
reignited, and finally Kahl's car was engulfed, he
said.
"The chief was unresponsive during the time of
the attempted rescue," Davis said.
The driver of the Southern Chemical truck,
Thomas Brumfield, 49, of New
Orleans was not injured or ticketed, he said.
Southern Chemical is based in LaPlace.
"He was making a legal turn," Davis said of
Brumfield.
Martin said Kahl worked for him for a few years
before going to work for the Lutcher Police
Department.
"Mike and I were good friends before that," the
sheriff said. "He just was a good friend."
Martin said the mayor of Gramercy and the
aldermen will appoint someone
within the next 10 days to replace Kahl until a
special election can be held. It will be up to
the Secretary of State's Office to schedule that
election, he said.
Kenny Poche served as Gramercy police chief for
most of 1998 after Spizale's death. Kahl defeated
Poche in a close election in November.
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If the U.S. Border Patrol accomplishes its
mission,
we'll all starve.
OFFICER_FIENDISH
pathetic post. I hope you have not spawned to further contaminate the
gene pool. I will never again read any of your posts
Sergeant Rock
arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:17:10 +0000, Tom Alciere
<tomal...@netway.com> wrote:
{{snip the crap}}
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Tom Alciere wrote in message <3810C646...@netway.com>...
Andy Katz
wrote:
>The reward on you has just been raised to $5,000.00 for your lawful
>arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
You know, Rock, I have mixed feelings here, because you are referring
to someone who has, presumably, been identified by name, address and
phone number. That's unusual, to say the least. What's your source on
Tom A's stats, and how sure are you about them?
As I've already written, someone tried to get back at me a few years
back by posting what he assumed were my address and phone. He missed
by a whole borough. Now suppose the other Andy Katz were harmed or
harassed as a result of the material posted ... would my would-be
harasser be held liable? I believe so. Suppose someone were harmed in
Nashua based on your "bounty" ... I read your disclaimers, but do you
honestly believe that the Nashua DA wouldn't file on you if something
untoward went down in his little neck of the woods compliments of Sgt
Rock?
I realize how far Tom has gone over the edge, and I don't understand
why you're not contacting his ISP, referring the copyright violations
to the appropriate sources (Doctress Neutopia had her account lifted
for posting part of a ClariNet article to an ng two years ago), or
simply ignoring him. You haven't exactly played nice yourself ...
recall you stated numerous times that you didn't care about medicinal
marijuana, then you posted a piece about Kubby, a CA medicinal user,
being busted in clear contravention to the will of CA voters using the
same tone an Alciere uses when talking about a cop being killed or
busted.
Honestly Rock, how can you dish it out with glee, then become such a
weenie when someone plays Rocketman from the other side of the aisle?
Andy Katz
____________________________________
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Juvenal
a...@interport.net
Andre...@aol.com
Bastard Nation
http://www.bastards.org
Sergeant Rock
felony conviction. Note the key words police officer & lawful. If you
have a problem with that, too bad.
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:24:07 GMT, amk*@interport.net* (Andy Katz)
wrote:
>You know, Rock, I have mixed feelings here, because you are referring
>to someone who has, presumably, been identified by name, address and
>phone number. That's unusual, to say the least. What's your source on
>Tom A's stats, and how sure are you about them?
I said the Tom A making these posts. Proof would have to be provided
it is the correct person.
>As I've already written, someone tried to get back at me a few years
>back by posting what he assumed were my address and phone. He missed
>by a whole borough. Now suppose the other Andy Katz were harmed or
>harassed as a result of the material posted ... would my would-be
>harasser be held liable? I believe so. Suppose someone were harmed in
>Nashua based on your "bounty" ... I read your disclaimers, but do you
>honestly believe that the Nashua DA wouldn't file on you if something
>untoward went down in his little neck of the woods compliments of Sgt
>Rock?
I am not advocating anyone do anything unlawful. If you can read, you
realize that.
>I realize how far Tom has gone over the edge, and I don't understand
>why you're not contacting his ISP, referring the copyright violations
>to the appropriate sources (Doctress Neutopia had her account lifted
>for posting part of a ClariNet article to an ng two years ago), or
>simply ignoring him. You haven't exactly played nice yourself ...
>recall you stated numerous times that you didn't care about medicinal
>marijuana, then you posted a piece about Kubby, a CA medicinal user,
>being busted in clear contravention to the will of CA voters using the
>same tone an Alciere uses when talking about a cop being killed or
>busted.
He is a dealer.
>Honestly Rock, how can you dish it out with glee, then become such a
>weenie when someone plays Rocketman from the other side of the aisle?
>
>Andy Katz
You're a first class whiner Andrew. My offer stands. The fact you
would support or defend him in any way just says what a true dick head
you are.
Sgt. Rock
Michael Zarlenga
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The reward on you has just been raised to $5,000.00 for your lawful
arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:17:10 +0000, Tom Alciere
<tomal...@netway.com> wrote:
{{snip the crap}}
............................................
Saved for posterity.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Michael Zarlenga
:>The reward on you has just been raised to $5,000.00 for your lawful
:>arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
: You know, Rock, I have mixed feelings here, because you are referring
: to someone who has, presumably, been identified by name, address and
: phone number. That's unusual, to say the least. What's your source on
: Tom A's stats, and how sure are you about them?
Let Rock speak and offer his rewards. I'd love to see him
or an arresting officer subpoenad into NH or federal court
should something happen to explain his motives for offering
a cash bounty on a citizen's head.
It would make excellent press, perhaps even national news:
"CA police officer offers bounty on NH man."
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Aimless Wanderer
for long.
Tom... Are you still going to deny advocating cop killings? Funny,
you asked someone to show you where you advocated this, and once
someone did you very conviently shut up. You proved yourself to be
not only an asshole who spews pure garbage, but a liar as well. Why
is it that talk such trash but when asked direct questions you avoid
them? Why do you hate cops so much? Hmmmm, we're listening.....
Seems you can 'dish it out, but you can't take it'
~Aimless Wanderer
CISOL
Aimless Wanderer
Michael Zarlenga wrote:
> ............................................
>
> Saved for posterity.
Do you have a special file for all Sgt. Rock's posts? I am just curious.
>
>
> --
> -- Mike Zarlenga
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Michael Zarlenga wrote in message ...
>
>Let Rock speak and offer his rewards. I'd love to see him
>or an arresting officer subpoenad into NH or federal court
>should something happen to explain his motives for offering
>a cash bounty on a citizen's head.
I am not familiar with NH law and do not intend to spend time researching,
but I know of no federal law that prohibits rewards being offered. I
beleive, on occasion, the federal government still offers bounties/rewards
on their most sought-after enemies.
>
>It would make excellent press, perhaps even national news:
>"CA police officer offers bounty on NH man."
Actually, it would make GREAT press, especially in the FOP magazine, the
Blue Knights magazine, etc. <hehe>
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
to? You must be going broke. :-)
Michael Zarlenga wrote in message <45cQ3.516
>>Sgt Rock offered:
>>The reward on you has just been raised to $5,000.00 for your lawful
>>arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
>>
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Aimless Wanderer wrote in message <38115DF8...@your-house.com>...
>Oh Joy... Tom's back. Just as I predicted, he wouldn't be quiet
>for long.
>Tom... Are you still going to deny advocating cop killings? Funny,
>you asked someone to show you where you advocated this, and once
>someone did you very conviently shut up. You proved yourself to be
>not only an asshole who spews pure garbage, but a liar as well. Why
>is it that talk such trash but when asked direct questions you avoid
>them? Why do you hate cops so much? Hmmmm, we're listening.....
> Seems you can 'dish it out, but you can't take it'
Strangely quiet, is it not?
Tom Alciere
>
> Oh Joy... Tom's back. Just as I predicted, he wouldn't be quiet
> for long.
> Tom... Are you still going to deny advocating cop killings?
Absolutely. Nobody has cited any examples of any
posts of mine "advocating" killing cops. Nobody
ever will.
> Funny,
> you asked someone to show you where you advocated this, and once
> someone did you very conviently shut up.
I didn't check that thread because I knew nobody
could cite any examples of anything I posted
"advocating" killing cops. Thank you for pointing
out that there were so-called "examples" as I have
responded to all of them. Lots of examples of how
I mention cops deserve it, but not one message
"advocating" anybody make it happen.
> You proved yourself to be
> not only an asshole who spews pure garbage, but a liar as well.
I am not a liar.
> Why
> is it that talk such trash but when asked direct questions you avoid
> them? Why do you hate cops so much?
Because cops are a God-damned bunch of vicious,
brutal, crooked, racist, obnoxious, bullying,
perjuring thugs.
>Hmmmm, we're listening.....
> Seems you can 'dish it out, but you can't take it'
>
> ~Aimless Wanderer
> CISOL
>
Oh, I can take anything you idiots can dish out.
Tom Alciere
Michael Zarlenga
: Michael Zarlenga wrote in message ...
:>
:>Let Rock speak and offer his rewards. I'd love to see him
:>or an arresting officer subpoenad into NH or federal court
:>should something happen to explain his motives for offering
:>a cash bounty on a citizen's head.
: I am not familiar with NH law and do not intend to spend time researching,
: but I know of no federal law that prohibits rewards being offered. I
: beleive, on occasion, the federal government still offers bounties/rewards
: on their most sought-after enemies.
I bet you're right. As I said : "should something happen."
That "something" being an arrest the motivation for which might
now be questioned in court, under oath.
How would you feel if I were to, hypothetically, offer $1,000
for Rock's name, address and department name? In fact, now
that I think of it, that's probably not a bad idea...
I've got reams of posts of his that are just aching to be
read by superiors and thej local press where he works as an
officer.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Aimless Wanderer
Tom Alciere wrote:
> Aimless Wanderer wrote:
> >
> Absolutely. Nobody has cited any examples of any
> posts of mine "advocating" killing cops. Nobody
> ever will.
Please read where I posted the definition of advocate.
>
>
> > Funny,
> > you asked someone to show you where you advocated this, and once
> > someone did you very conviently shut up.
>
> I didn't check that thread because I knew nobody
> could cite any examples of anything I posted
> "advocating" killing cops. Thank you for pointing
> out that there were so-called "examples" as I have
> responded to all of them. Lots of examples of how
> I mention cops deserve it, but not one message
> "advocating" anybody make it happen.
Whatever you say.... see above
>
>
> > You proved yourself to be
> > not only an asshole who spews pure garbage, but a liar as well.
>
> I am not a liar.
So you admit to being a garbage spewing asshole?
Sergeant Rock
Do what you have to do. As long as I have a job, I'm too busy for any
road trips.
Sgt. Rock
Sergeant Rock
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>In alt.law-enforcement Andy Katz <amk*@interport.net*> wrote:
>:>The reward on you has just been raised to $5,000.00 for your lawful
>:>arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
>
>: You know, Rock, I have mixed feelings here, because you are referring
>: to someone who has, presumably, been identified by name, address and
>: phone number. That's unusual, to say the least. What's your source on
>: Tom A's stats, and how sure are you about them?
>
>Let Rock speak and offer his rewards. I'd love to see him
>or an arresting officer subpoenad into NH or federal court
>should something happen to explain his motives for offering
>a cash bounty on a citizen's head.
>
>It would make excellent press, perhaps even national news:
>"CA police officer offers bounty on NH man."
>
>--
>-- Mike Zarlenga
As usual Zarlenga, you lie to make your point. I offer a reward for a
lawful arrest & conviction. Nothing else. All perfectly legal.
Sgt. Rock
Sergeant Rock
<lst...@westerncom.net> wrote:
>
>Michael Zarlenga wrote in message ...
>>
>>Let Rock speak and offer his rewards. I'd love to see him
>>or an arresting officer subpoenad into NH or federal court
>>should something happen to explain his motives for offering
>>a cash bounty on a citizen's head.
>
>I am not familiar with NH law and do not intend to spend time researching,
>but I know of no federal law that prohibits rewards being offered. I
>beleive, on occasion, the federal government still offers bounties/rewards
>on their most sought-after enemies.
>
>>
>>It would make excellent press, perhaps even national news:
>>"CA police officer offers bounty on NH man."
>
>Actually, it would make GREAT press, especially in the FOP magazine, the
>Blue Knights magazine, etc. <hehe>
It's perfectly legal. Private citizens can & do offer rewards from
time to time. You need to research your laws.
Sgt. Rock
Andy Katz
wrote:
>My offer is to any full-time police officer for the lawful arrest &
>felony conviction. Note the key words police officer & lawful. If you
>have a problem with that, too bad.
I recall that you expanded your offer to include civilians after Tom
got more of your oh so gettable goat, Rock. Anyway, I know of no NH
leos on this ng right now, so out of state leos would have the same
status as a civilian. The distinction is unimportant.
>I said the Tom A making these posts. Proof would have to be provided
>it is the correct person.
So you acknowledge that it isn't Tom's alleged criminal habits that
are putting a weed up your ass, but his statements here?
>I am not advocating anyone do anything unlawful. If you can read, you
>realize that.
That would be up to the Nashua DA, Rock, not you. You provided, or
copied, a specific address, then you offered a substantial reward
absent any specific knowledge or a crime. If Tom responded by posting
your home address and offering a similar reward for the lawful, read
*lawful* use of deadly force against Sgt Rock, you would not be so
sanguine. Nor would anyone else.
>He is a dealer.
Bounties are placed for specific criminal acts. Not for hypothetical
or hearsay based criminal intent. If you really wanted Tom A removed
from society then you'd contact the Nashua PD and request they
investigate him ... your status as a leo would probably help your
request be taken seriously. What you did do instead shows that you
don't give a fuck what Tom does at home ... it's what he writes here
that pisses you off.
>You're a first class whiner Andrew. My offer stands. The fact you
>would support or defend him in any way just says what a true dick head
>you are.
You know damned well I'm not supporting or defending him, Rock.
All joking aside though, I thought that despite all the bluster and
threats and inability to deal with ideas more complex than a boot in
someone's ass, you were basically okay. You had a chance to discuss
this rationally, and, big shock, you devolved to name-calling.
In other words, Rock turns out to be nothing more than another big
blue crybaby.
Sergeant Rock
wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:43:57 GMT, Sgt...@NoPukes.com (Sergeant Rock)
>wrote:
>
>>My offer is to any full-time police officer for the lawful arrest &
>>felony conviction. Note the key words police officer & lawful. If you
>>have a problem with that, too bad.
>
>I recall that you expanded your offer to include civilians after Tom
>got more of your oh so gettable goat, Rock. Anyway, I know of no NH
>leos on this ng right now, so out of state leos would have the same
>status as a civilian. The distinction is unimportant.
You recall incorrectly or are just a plain liar. The offer was for
full-time sworn police officers. No one else, ever. Read the post
again.
>>I said the Tom A making these posts. Proof would have to be provided
>>it is the correct person.
>
>So you acknowledge that it isn't Tom's alleged criminal habits that
>are putting a weed up your ass, but his statements here?
I acknowledge nothing other than my wish to see the correct Tom A.
brought to justice.
>>I am not advocating anyone do anything unlawful. If you can read, you
>>realize that.
>
>That would be up to the Nashua DA, Rock, not you. You provided, or
>copied, a specific address, then you offered a substantial reward
>absent any specific knowledge or a crime. If Tom responded by posting
>your home address and offering a similar reward for the lawful, read
>*lawful* use of deadly force against Sgt Rock, you would not be so
>sanguine. Nor would anyone else.
I provided no addrerss in the post offering the reward. Read the post.
here it is:
On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:37 GMT, Sgt...@NoPukes.com (Sergeant Rock)
wrote:
>As of this date I am offering a $1000 reward to any sworn full-time
>police officer for the lawful arrest & felony conviction of Tom
>Alcerie. This not a joke. I will pay $1000 cash for any lawful arrest
>& felony conviction from this date forward. Payment will be made upon
>proof of conviction via court documents. One must also provide proof
>this is the same Tom Alcerie posting in this NG. I look forward to
>paying this reward.
>
>Sgt. Rock
>
>>He is a dealer.
>
>Bounties are placed for specific criminal acts. Not for hypothetical
>or hearsay based criminal intent. If you really wanted Tom A removed
>from society then you'd contact the Nashua PD and request they
>investigate him ... your status as a leo would probably help your
>request be taken seriously. What you did do instead shows that you
>don't give a fuck what Tom does at home ... it's what he writes here
>that pisses you off.
My offer stands.
>>You're a first class whiner Andrew. My offer stands. The fact you
>>would support or defend him in any way just says what a true dick head
>>you are.
>
>You know damned well I'm not supporting or defending him, Rock.
Oh but you are. If Tom was amking such comments about minorities,
people would be all fired up. He comments while thy are directed at
police officers are no less acceptable.
>All joking aside though, I thought that despite all the bluster and
>threats and inability to deal with ideas more complex than a boot in
>someone's ass, you were basically okay. You had a chance to discuss
>this rationally, and, big shock, you devolved to name-calling.
>
>In other words, Rock turns out to be nothing more than another big
>blue crybaby.
Call me what you wish. My offer stands.
Sgt. Rock
Dog210
hell
Mark Anderson
> Violation of copyright forwarded to comm...@theadvocate.com
He provided the full link to the story and attributed the author. He
provided commentary to certain parts which qualifies this as fair use.
> >Tom Alciere wrote in message <3810C646...@netway.com>...
Cpk197
>> Tom... Are you still going to deny advocating cop killings?
>Absolutely. Nobody has cited any examples of any
>posts of mine "advocating" killing cops. Nobody
>ever will.
> Lots of examples of how
>I mention cops deserve it, but not one message
>"advocating" anybody make it happen.
Yo stupid, get yourself a dictionary lame brain and look up the word "advocate"
moron. It's not only a person who recommends a policy or particular cause, but
also a person who publicly supports it.
You have publicly supported the fact that it would be Ok to kill cops, or are
you still incoherent from the drugs you snorted before the Massachussets
motorist deservedly cracked you up your ass? You have now made yourself look
like not only the village idiot, but the "world" idiot of the internet since
you have publicly supported that it was ok to kill cops. Just like you can't
interpert Constituional Law I see you can't even comprehend what a particular
word means. You have just made yourself look stupid once again, but for you
that is just Ohhh so easy Thomas. I can't wait till you cite your case to the
judge about how it was the Massachussets drivers
fault that you got arrested and how unconstitutional your arrest was. Go for it
Thomas, let that judge who you claim is promoting unconstituional laws have it,
or are you merely a chickenass? BUCK BUCK BUCK BUCK, you will be fried <HEHE>.
May you rot in a jail cell with a toilet that doesn't flush allowing you to
smell your own stink! HAHAHA Too bad you have to worry about such things eh?
HAHAHAHA. I'll be resting quietly at night thinking about you sweating out what
your fate will be! HAHAHA
CPK197
Cpk197
wrote:
>Please read where I posted the definition of advocate.
Even if you posted it as did I just now, he still is to simple minded to
understand or comprehend it and grasp it's concept. My guess is we are both
wasting our time with this pathetic loser, who obviously has nothing positive
in his life to live for. Point blank, He needs some serious help, and if he
doesn't realize that, he becomes even more of a sad case. I do crisis
counselling and I have not even seen clients this bad. Perhaps if he serves
some jail time for his cocaine possesion and gets some individual therapy?
Nahhh they would just chuck his sorry ass out because his narrow minded
rebellious behavior would cause him to act the way he does in here. Ever notice
when I mention his mental instability to him he avoids the issue? He claims
it's because it's off topic but I may deem it necessary to address it directly
to him in another thread, that way it would be on topic. Wonder if "it" would
reply or skirt the issue? Perhaps elecrtoshock therpay over several years may
be beneficical to "it".
CPK197
Sergeant Rock
Why waste the money when a few broken fingers would solve the problem.
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Cpk197 wrote in message
>Perhaps elecrtoshock therpay over several years may
>be beneficical to "it".
>
> CPK197
We have the perfect appliance at the prison near here, (Joliet,) to
administer his electro-shock therapy. Real comfortable wooden chair, has
it's own power source for a deep, deep massage. ;-)
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Mark Anderson wrote in message ...
>In article Pulled the Pin, Child In Search Of Love says...
>
>> Violation of copyright forwarded to comm...@theadvocate.com
>
>He provided the full link to the story and attributed the author. He
>provided commentary to certain parts which qualifies this as fair use.
That will be determined by a court of law if their legal department decides
to pursue it. I know the Knoxville Sentinel was VERY interested in his
post. The reporter contacted me directly. Not a happy camper.
Sergeant Rock
I like the one in Florida. It has a few problems but gets the job
done.
Sgt. Rock
Raskeller
them lemming things.
Such ferocity and vehemence of response. What did you write about anyway?
Pulled the Pin, CISOL <lst...@westerncom.net> wrote in message
news:s13dj1...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Aimless Wanderer wrote in message <38115DF8...@your-house.com>...
> >Oh Joy... Tom's back. Just as I predicted, he wouldn't be quiet
> >for long.
> >Tom... Are you still going to deny advocating cop killings? Funny,
> >you asked someone to show you where you advocated this, and once
> >someone did you very conviently shut up. You proved yourself to be
> >not only an asshole who spews pure garbage, but a liar as well. Why
> >is it that talk such trash but when asked direct questions you avoid
> >them? Why do you hate cops so much? Hmmmm, we're listening.....
> > Seems you can 'dish it out, but you can't take it'
>
>
Andy Katz
wrote:
>You recall incorrectly or are just a plain liar. The offer was for
>full-time sworn police officers. No one else, ever. Read the post
>again.
Maybe I was wrong about you expanding it, Rock. As I recall, someone
joined you in the offer, putting up additional funds ... maybe he was
the one.
>I provided no addrerss in the post offering the reward. Read the post.
>here it is:
Come on, Rock, you provided *an* address for Tom. Whether it was in
the same post is not relevant. You have access to cops-only fora, if
you really wanted Tom "brought to justice" you could have contacted
leos in the vicinity and urged them to investigate him.
How's this supposed to work, anyway, absent any known NH leos? Some
out of state cop is supposed to fly or drive to NH, and do what
exactly? How does an out-state-leo "investigate" a resident of another
state? Is it like Mannix, or one of those tv shows where the good cop
gets suspended and spends the rest of the time two steps ahead of the
his former department, bringing the case to a successful close just as
the sound of sirens breaks the still night?
>Oh but you are. If Tom was amking such comments about minorities,
>people would be all fired up. He comments while thy are directed at
>police officers are no less acceptable.
You know what, Rock? That's a fair comment. I do see the need to
strike a balance here--when Tom or OFR post provocatively, I know you
and other leos/conservatives will be on them like lead paint. So I
reserve my energies for characters like this "white man" guy who may
be a leo himself, because conservative readers usually leave them
alone.
I also think the best way to handle people like Tom is to ignore them,
as has been suggested already by several leo readers. At no point,
however, would I post someone's address and phone number. Doing so
creates a situation that could threaten Usenet itself ... all we need
is the first Usenet homicide to hit the evening news and the next
version of an Internet "responsibilty" act will pass Congress and be
upheld by the courts, because they will never permit the First
Amendment to promote anarchy ... Clear & Present Danger.
And who do you suppose would be hurt more by such a reg, Rock, you or
me?
>Call me what you wish. My offer stands.
I don't blame you for being pissed at Alciere, Rock, and if you hadn't
posted the address, I'd be silent on the subject. Why don't you join
with other al-e readers and try to have his account pulled--that would
have a great deal more impact on TA than a bounty that no current al-e
reader is even eligible to collect?
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Andy Katz wrote in message
>
>How's this supposed to work, anyway, absent any known NH leos?
Operative word in this question being "known."
There is a New Hampshire LEO lurking, we talk outside the group
frequently....(Hi, B.A.)
Tom Alciere
>
> Congratulations on a true ten Tom! Amazing! They just keep jumping, like
> them lemming things.
> Such ferocity and vehemence of response. What did you write about anyway?
>
Something about cops, I think. 8-)
Tom Alciere
> >wrote:
> >
> >>My offer is to any full-time police officer for the lawful arrest &
> >>felony conviction. Note the key words police officer & lawful. If you
> >>have a problem with that, too bad.
> >
The limitation to full-time sworn officers is
because that makes the offer void. Full-time
sworn officers can't accept private bounties for
the performance of their duties.
> >I recall that you expanded your offer to include civilians after Tom
> >got more of your oh so gettable goat, Rock. Anyway, I know of no NH
> >leos on this ng right now, so out of state leos would have the same
> >status as a civilian. The distinction is unimportant.
>
> You recall incorrectly or are just a plain liar. The offer was for
> full-time sworn police officers. No one else, ever. Read the post
> again.
>
> >>I said the Tom A making these posts. Proof would have to be provided
> >>it is the correct person.
> >
> >So you acknowledge that it isn't Tom's alleged criminal habits that
> >are putting a weed up your ass, but his statements here?
>
> I acknowledge nothing other than my wish to see the correct Tom A.
> brought to justice.
>
> >>I am not advocating anyone do anything unlawful. If you can read, you
> >>realize that.
> >
> >That would be up to the Nashua DA, Rock, not you. You provided, or
> >copied, a specific address, then you offered a substantial reward
> >absent any specific knowledge or a crime. If Tom responded by posting
> >your home address and offering a similar reward for the lawful, read
> >*lawful* use of deadly force against Sgt Rock, you would not be so
> >sanguine. Nor would anyone else.
>
> I provided no addrerss in the post offering the reward. Read the post.
> here it is:
>
> On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:34:37 GMT, Sgt...@NoPukes.com (Sergeant Rock)
> wrote:
>
> >As of this date I am offering a $1000 reward to any sworn full-time
> >police officer for the lawful arrest & felony conviction of Tom
> >Alcerie. This not a joke. I will pay $1000 cash for any lawful arrest
> >& felony conviction from this date forward. Payment will be made upon
> >proof of conviction via court documents. One must also provide proof
> >this is the same Tom Alcerie posting in this NG. I look forward to
> >paying this reward.
> >
> >Sgt. Rock
> >
>
The officer not only has to make the lawful
arrest, but also has to convict, which further
makes the offer void because the cop can't
convict, only the judge or jury can.
> >>He is a dealer.
> >
> >Bounties are placed for specific criminal acts. Not for hypothetical
> >or hearsay based criminal intent. If you really wanted Tom A removed
> >from society then you'd contact the Nashua PD and request they
> >investigate him ... your status as a leo would probably help your
> >request be taken seriously. What you did do instead shows that you
> >don't give a fuck what Tom does at home ... it's what he writes here
> >that pisses you off.
>
> My offer stands.
>
> >>You're a first class whiner Andrew. My offer stands. The fact you
> >>would support or defend him in any way just says what a true dick head
> >>you are.
> >
> >You know damned well I'm not supporting or defending him, Rock.
>
> Oh but you are. If Tom was amking such comments about minorities,
> people would be all fired up. He comments while thy are directed at
> police officers are no less acceptable.
>
Negative comments toward minorities are
stereotypes, because each one is different with
very little they all have in common, such as the
challenge of finding a suitable barber in some
towns. Negative comments toward cops are not
stereotypes because of what they ALL have in
common: (a) they have all raised their right hand
and solemnly threatened to uphold and enforce the
unjust laws of unjust governments, (b) they are
ALL on standby ready to rush to the aid of a
fellow goon that starts something and cannot
finish it and (c) they will ALL be on the look-out
for a victim of police abuse who does something
about it, such as the 7 Oct 1999 incident in
Pasco, WA where the driver vetoed an illegal
traffic stop. [The Bill of Rights didn't get
through the cop's head, but a bullet did.]
> >All joking aside though, I thought that despite all the bluster and
> >threats and inability to deal with ideas more complex than a boot in
> >someone's ass, you were basically okay. You had a chance to discuss
> >this rationally, and, big shock, you devolved to name-calling.
> >
> >In other words, Rock turns out to be nothing more than another big
> >blue crybaby.
>
> Call me what you wish. My offer stands.
>
> Sgt. Rock
Michael Zarlenga
:>:>The reward on you has just been raised to $5,000.00 for your lawful
:>:>arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
:>: You know, Rock, I have mixed feelings here, because you are referring
:>: to someone who has, presumably, been identified by name, address and
:>: phone number. That's unusual, to say the least. What's your source on
:>: Tom A's stats, and how sure are you about them?
:>Let Rock speak and offer his rewards. I'd love to see him
:>or an arresting officer subpoenad into NH or federal court
:>should something happen to explain his motives for offering
:>a cash bounty on a citizen's head.
:>
:>It would make excellent press, perhaps even national news:
:>"CA police officer offers bounty on NH man."
: As usual Zarlenga, you lie to make your point. I offer a reward for a
: lawful arrest & conviction. Nothing else. All perfectly legal.
What you've offered is also $5,000 in cash motivation
to plant evidence.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Michael Zarlenga
: wrote:
:>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:43:57 GMT, Sgt...@NoPukes.com (Sergeant Rock)
:>wrote:
:>
:>>My offer is to any full-time police officer for the lawful arrest &
:>>felony conviction. Note the key words police officer & lawful. If you
:>>have a problem with that, too bad.
:>
:>I recall that you expanded your offer to include civilians after Tom
:>got more of your oh so gettable goat, Rock. Anyway, I know of no NH
:>leos on this ng right now, so out of state leos would have the same
:>status as a civilian. The distinction is unimportant.
: You recall incorrectly or are just a plain liar. The offer was for
: full-time sworn police officers. No one else, ever. Read the post
: again.
You were posting as Carlos when you opened it up to anyone
and also indicated it didn't need to be an arrest, the cash
was on "his head."
You can't run from your own words just because you typed
them from a different user account.
:>>I said the Tom A making these posts. Proof would have to be provided
:>>it is the correct person.
:>
:>So you acknowledge that it isn't Tom's alleged criminal habits that
:>are putting a weed up your ass, but his statements here?
: I acknowledge nothing other than my wish to see the correct Tom A.
: brought to justice.
Brought to justice for what? For giving you an upset
tummy with his mean words? You offered a $5,000 reward
for a felony arrest and conviction. That's not justice,
it's a bounty.
: Oh but you are. If Tom was amking such comments about minorities,
: people would be all fired up. He comments while thy are directed at
: police officers are no less acceptable.
And if someone offered a reward for his head, as you did
posting as "Carlos," that would be solicitation of murder.
Once again, you give all of law enforcement a black eye.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Steve
Michael Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote in message
news:k9DQ3.3897$14.1...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com...
> In alt.law-enforcement Sergeant Rock <Sgt...@NoPukes.com> wrote:
> : lawful arrest & conviction. Nothing else. All perfectly legal.
>
> What you've offered is also $5,000 in cash motivation
> to plant evidence.
The rub here, Zarlenga, is that you seem to be projecting your own morality
(or lack thereof) on police officers? You might be motivated to plant
evidence by a few thousand cash, but the vast majority of cops wouldn't
think of it.
Steve
Steve
> Brought to justice for what? For giving you an upset
> tummy with his mean words? You offered a $5,000 reward
> for a felony arrest and conviction. That's not justice,
> it's a bounty.
>
>
> : Oh but you are. If Tom was amking such comments about minorities,
> : people would be all fired up. He comments while thy are directed at
> : police officers are no less acceptable.
>
> And if someone offered a reward for his head, as you did
> posting as "Carlos," that would be solicitation of murder.
It would seem to me that ALL of this amounts to little more than silly
posturing? Perhaps deep down inside Tom hopes that his posts might inspire
some mental midget on the verge of snapping to pop a cop and perhaps Rock
hopes to read some newspaper accounting of Alciere's future misfortunes, but
isn't it rather unlikely that either will truly influence the actual future
with a few newsgroup posts?
I'll admit my bias, but what really irks me about you is that you seem to
try to come off as someone who's so superior yet you can easily dismiss or
excuse Alciere's garbage all the while trying to make a mountain out of
Rock's molehill.
> Once again, you give all of law enforcement a black eye.
Only in the minds of those predisposed to such beliefs.
Steve
Jamin, CISIOL
>
> Congratulations on a true ten Tom! Amazing! They just keep jumping, like
> them lemming things.
> Such ferocity and vehemence of response. What did you write about anyway?
>
>
need more asshole babies like you two.
Jamin, CISIOL
> >
Think Rock would pay off if a citizen were to lose control of his/her
vehicle with or without premeditation or malicious intent crush Tom's
skull? Not that I condone this sort of thing you understand in fact it I
detest it, but accidents DO happen and should one occur, what body part
would constitute validity for a pay off? Just mildly curious. :-)
>
> Food comes from FARM STORES, not minimarkets.
> If the Border Collie Patrol accomplishes its
> mission, we'll all need Super Dooper Pooper Scoopers!
Sergeant Rock
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>In alt.law-enforcement Sergeant Rock <Sgt...@NoPukes.com> wrote:
>: On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:24:40 GMT, amk*@interport.net* (Andy Katz)
>: wrote:
>
>:>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:43:57 GMT, Sgt...@NoPukes.com (Sergeant Rock)
>:>wrote:
>:>
>:>>My offer is to any full-time police officer for the lawful arrest &
>:>>felony conviction. Note the key words police officer & lawful. If you
>:>>have a problem with that, too bad.
>:>
>:>I recall that you expanded your offer to include civilians after Tom
>:>got more of your oh so gettable goat, Rock. Anyway, I know of no NH
>:>leos on this ng right now, so out of state leos would have the same
>:>status as a civilian. The distinction is unimportant.
>
>: You recall incorrectly or are just a plain liar. The offer was for
>: full-time sworn police officers. No one else, ever. Read the post
>: again.
>
>You were posting as Carlos when you opened it up to anyone
>and also indicated it didn't need to be an arrest, the cash
>was on "his head."
I am not Carlos. Never have been.
>You can't run from your own words just because you typed
>them from a different user account.
Nothing to run from because it was not me.
>:>>I said the Tom A making these posts. Proof would have to be provided
>:>>it is the correct person.
>:>
>:>So you acknowledge that it isn't Tom's alleged criminal habits that
>:>are putting a weed up your ass, but his statements here?
>
>: I acknowledge nothing other than my wish to see the correct Tom A.
>: brought to justice.
>
>Brought to justice for what? For giving you an upset
>tummy with his mean words? You offered a $5,000 reward
>for a felony arrest and conviction. That's not justice,
>it's a bounty.
Call it what you wish, the offer stands & there is NOTHING you can do
about it.
>
>: Oh but you are. If Tom was amking such comments about minorities,
>: people would be all fired up. He comments while thy are directed at
>: police officers are no less acceptable.
>
>And if someone offered a reward for his head, as you did
>posting as "Carlos," that would be solicitation of murder.
Again, I did not make the most you claim I did.
>Once again, you give all of law enforcement a black eye.
>
You need 2 black eyes, worm!
Sgt. Rock
Sergeant Rock
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>In alt.law-enforcement Sergeant Rock <Sgt...@NoPukes.com> wrote:
>:>:>The reward on you has just been raised to $5,000.00 for your lawful
>:>:>arrest & felony conviction. I will piss on your grave!
>
>:>: You know, Rock, I have mixed feelings here, because you are referring
>:>: to someone who has, presumably, been identified by name, address and
>:>: phone number. That's unusual, to say the least. What's your source on
>:>: Tom A's stats, and how sure are you about them?
>
>:>Let Rock speak and offer his rewards. I'd love to see him
>:>or an arresting officer subpoenad into NH or federal court
>:>should something happen to explain his motives for offering
>:>a cash bounty on a citizen's head.
>:>
>:>It would make excellent press, perhaps even national news:
>:>"CA police officer offers bounty on NH man."
>
>: As usual Zarlenga, you lie to make your point. I offer a reward for a
>: lawful arrest & conviction. Nothing else. All perfectly legal.
>
>What you've offered is also $5,000 in cash motivation
>to plant evidence.
>
>--
>-- Mike Zarlenga
Again you lie in a desperate effort. How typical.
Sgt. Rock
Sergeant Rock
wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:21:06 GMT, Sgt...@NoPukes.com (Sergeant Rock)
>wrote:
>
>>You recall incorrectly or are just a plain liar. The offer was for
>>full-time sworn police officers. No one else, ever. Read the post
>>again.
>
>Maybe I was wrong about you expanding it, Rock. As I recall, someone
>joined you in the offer, putting up additional funds ... maybe he was
>the one.
You were 100% wrong. It was someone else. if you are going to call me
on something, get your facts in order mister!
>>I provided no addrerss in the post offering the reward. Read the post.
>>here it is:
>
>Come on, Rock, you provided *an* address for Tom. Whether it was in
>the same post is not relevant. You have access to cops-only fora, if
>you really wanted Tom "brought to justice" you could have contacted
>leos in the vicinity and urged them to investigate him.
I did not provide an address & provided the original post to prove it.
>How's this supposed to work, anyway, absent any known NH leos? Some
>out of state cop is supposed to fly or drive to NH, and do what
>exactly? How does an out-state-leo "investigate" a resident of another
>state? Is it like Mannix, or one of those tv shows where the good cop
>gets suspended and spends the rest of the time two steps ahead of the
>his former department, bringing the case to a successful close just as
>the sound of sirens breaks the still night?
It is between the arresting officer & my self. Period.
>>Oh but you are. If Tom was amking such comments about minorities,
>>people would be all fired up. He comments while thy are directed at
>>police officers are no less acceptable.
>
>You know what, Rock? That's a fair comment. I do see the need to
>strike a balance here--when Tom or OFR post provocatively, I know you
>and other leos/conservatives will be on them like lead paint. So I
>reserve my energies for characters like this "white man" guy who may
>be a leo himself, because conservative readers usually leave them
>alone.
If you want to show everyone what a "bitchin guy" you are, spend a bit
mre energy on Toms hate mongering & closet racism.
>I also think the best way to handle people like Tom is to ignore them,
>as has been suggested already by several leo readers. At no point,
>however, would I post someone's address and phone number. Doing so
>creates a situation that could threaten Usenet itself ... all we need
>is the first Usenet homicide to hit the evening news and the next
>version of an Internet "responsibilty" act will pass Congress and be
>upheld by the courts, because they will never permit the First
>Amendment to promote anarchy ... Clear & Present Danger.
Works both ways Andrew.. The same argument could be made for some one
killing a cop & claiming they did it after reading Toms post.
>And who do you suppose would be hurt more by such a reg, Rock, you or
>me?
Nothing will change Andrew. Don't pee your pants.
>>Call me what you wish. My offer stands.
>
>I don't blame you for being pissed at Alciere, Rock, and if you hadn't
>posted the address, I'd be silent on the subject. Why don't you join
>with other al-e readers and try to have his account pulled--that would
>have a great deal more impact on TA than a bounty that no current al-e
>reader is even eligible to collect?
>
>Andy Katz
Once again, I was not the one posting the address. I provided the
original post as proof. Did you forget already?
Sgt. Rock
Nights...@webtv.net
with "Crime Against Nature", but I seriously doubt it. Alciere is one
sick bastard. I wonder how this thing treats his own family, if he still
has anyone who claims his sorry ass.
The Nightsticker
Andy Katz
wrote:
>You were 100% wrong. It was someone else. if you are going to call me
>on something, get your facts in order mister!
Spare me the righteous indignation, Rock. I said I *may* have been
wrong about you being the one to expand it. Doesn't really matter,
because you started this whole disgraceful bounty thing. Any others
jump on it, they're still riding on Rock's ticket. This thing turns to
shit, it's still going to be Rock fired and incarcerated over it.
>I did not provide an address & provided the original post to prove it.
No who's fibbing, Rock? Go read message
<38089d70...@NNTP.ix.netcom.com>
Under the title, "Tom Alciere, what a narrow minded man."
>It is between the arresting officer & my self. Period.
That's up to a DA to decide, Rock, not you.
Anyway, you're the one who made it public, right? And now you're
telling others to mind their own business when they criticize you for
sticking your ass out in the breeze. I mean, get real.
>If you want to show everyone what a "bitchin guy" you are, spend a bit
>mre energy on Toms hate mongering & closet racism.
I couldn't care less if people here think I'm a "bitchin" guy, Rock.
You haven't figured that out by now? I'm not one of these sycophantic
"cisol" types who'll do some serious brownnosing then vanish before
the new year. And when I do write, it's to engage in dialogue, even
with people I strongly disagree with. I don't have anything to say to
Tom, and neither should you. You're just inflating the bozo, starting
threads with his name on them, putting up money on his head. He can
tell his drinking buddies how's he's got cops all over the country to
the point of apoplexy over his trenchant and timely posts.
Some of your fellow leos are urging you to drop this and ignore him
.. you ought to listen to them, Rock. Surely you realize that the
worst thing that can happen on Usenet is not being flamed, it's being
ignored.
>Works both ways Andrew.. The same argument could be made for some one
>killing a cop & claiming they did it after reading Toms post.
Yes it does, only Tom didn't offer any specific information about a
particular cop, no name or, more importantly, address. If he did, I
would expect you to file a complaint with the appropriate authority.
I'm sure it would acted upon.
>Once again, I was not the one posting the address. I provided the
>original post as proof. Did you forget already?
This is what appeared in the above cited post:
>Tom Alciere
> *************St
> Nashua, NH 03060
>Phone: ************
>Here, feel free to tell him.
Andy Katz
wrote:
I don't know if the above is your idea or if someone told you to write
it, Jamin, but if the former, then you've been too busy brownnosing
leo hiney to notice that Raskeller offered one of the most thoughtful,
not to mention accurate, opinions concerning the Rock-Alciere
conundrum.
Steve
Sergeant Rock <Sgt...@NoPukes.com> wrote in message
news:38134c1...@NNTP.ix.netcom.com...
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:49:39 GMT, Michael Zarlenga
> <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>
> >Once again, you give all of law enforcement a black eye.
> >
>
> You need 2 black eyes, worm!
>
> Sgt. Rock
Uh, uh, uh, allow me -
saved for posterity ;-)
Steve
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Steve wrote in message <3813a...@news.cybertours.com>...
>
>Sergeant Rock <Sgt...@NoPukes.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>
>
>saved for posterity ;-)
At least we wont have to chip in now to buy Mike more discs....LOL
Jamin, CISIOL
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:14:00 -0500, "Jamin, CISIOL" <ja...@night.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Raskeller wrote:
> >>
> >> Congratulations on a true ten Tom! Amazing! They just keep jumping, like
> >> them lemming things.
> >> Such ferocity and vehemence of response. What did you write about anyway?
> >>
> >>
> >I hope you and Tom aren't using the rythym method! The world does not
> >need more asshole babies like you two.
>
> I don't know if the above is your idea or if someone told you to write
> it, Jamin, but if the former, then you've been too busy brownnosing
> leo hiney to notice that Raskeller offered one of the most thoughtful,
> not to mention accurate, opinions concerning the Rock-Alciere
> conundrum.
>
troll like Raskeller who offers nothing but sideline commentary. I
replied to a troll in accepted fashion. I additional do not buy the
steady diet of anti-LEO diarhetics recently introduced (crossposted) for
trolling purposes only. I suggest you not concern yourself with where my
nose may be located and carefully retract your own from the lower
posteriors of these two losers before association as a bastardy
offspring is construed.
Jamin, CISIOL
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:17:11 GMT, Sgt...@NoPukes.com (Sergeant Rock)
> wrote:
>
> >You were 100% wrong. It was someone else. if you are going to call me
> >on something, get your facts in order mister!
>
> Spare me the righteous indignation, Rock. I said I *may* have been
> wrong about you being the one to expand it. Doesn't really matter,
> because you started this whole disgraceful bounty thing. Any others
> jump on it, they're still riding on Rock's ticket. This thing turns to
> shit, it's still going to be Rock fired and incarcerated over it.
>
> >I did not provide an address & provided the original post to prove it.
>
> No who's fibbing, Rock? Go read message
>
not post Tom's personal information and in view of Tom's trolling rants
in this NG, Rock had no incentive to trim that information from his
responses. Your apology to Rock regarding this issue is in order.
>
> <38089d70...@NNTP.ix.netcom.com>
>
> Under the title, "Tom Alciere, what a narrow minded man."
>
> >It is between the arresting officer & my self. Period.
>
> That's up to a DA to decide, Rock, not you.
>
> Anyway, you're the one who made it public, right? And now you're
> telling others to mind their own business when they criticize you for
> sticking your ass out in the breeze. I mean, get real.
>
> >If you want to show everyone what a "bitchin guy" you are, spend a bit
> >mre energy on Toms hate mongering & closet racism.
>
> I couldn't care less if people here think I'm a "bitchin" guy, Rock.
> You haven't figured that out by now? I'm not one of these sycophantic
> "cisol" types who'll do some serious brownnosing then vanish before
> the new year. And when I do write, it's to engage in dialogue,
>
brown nosing). Anyone who disagrees with you are attacked. So goes your
self righeous proclamation of seeking to engage in dialogue. LOL
CISOL started as a is a jesture. Now it insures that trolls get back in
spades what they hypocritically proclaim as did you in your above
statement.
I can tell you now I will be around at the New Year to prove you a
trolling liar and fool. I am so glad to see that CISOL, which began in
jest has gained serious notariety and trolling recognition.
> I don't have anything to say to Tom, and neither should you.
>
>
> <major hack>
Michael Zarlenga
:>> You need 2 black eyes, worm!
:>Uh, uh, uh, allow me -
:>saved for posterity ;-)
: At least we wont have to chip in now to buy Mike more discs....LOL
If you're going to save Rock's threats, save the headers as well.
That way they can be traced back to a particular user account on a
partciular box at a particular time.
And, if I were you, I wouldn't bother saving the tame, implicit
threats like above. He provides far too many more violent, more
explicit threats to worry about ones like above.
Want to try again, Rock-o, this time with some real hatred and
violence? I know you can do it, if you focus.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Carlos3556
<<
You were posting as Carlos when you opened it up to anyone
and also indicated it didn't need to be an arrest, the cash
was on "his head."
You can't run from your own words just because you typed
them from a different user account.>>
This is so cornball I am almost embarrassed to say it. I will put $2,000 on
Zarlenga's head, too.
Carlos
Steve
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gkkcs ruos fmz pw oybgrr rkikp
vn cdr llcc alp eecd oeu?
Pebsag fyr pmj enmss
ccaces kq supseo lng.
Nilff mof ryxln lgau eusl ssxqu!
Welub sdcc pdicsd hbni y sqdfy bpar
mubt i fhrs ubl apz ke
ksk obz ieb o kax qbdak
tnv qbey tafw eklj eyi?
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epo i svffl ffzgi quep frmm aps
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es szwme ll a azrkym y nkll lf
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dys wlo iui hkq be
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uleu vey fcf bd?
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Pmu zf me mueyhbm mf bj
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Andy Katz
Asge mpbte zptecet sxeriu nyay li
mela rebs lqcd rsri sp
ybpp ywcy ttb ssxs tir fy.
Yvcbie ins osntsf kaiur ld mytv
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zbke kklir fod mebtgu lige i fse
ilma dslg yfiwd fetmk mmpp
kimeka sue elby o lm
qoi ask aodi pl
rfibkvs enoec hillfpr nfif!
Sergeant Rock
rspgkfe si jseeeor rpf ldiqm
sc cihb i ese eb
kfwy vdh vreft ersb lbb vdej
milei ikru tusn mfcsske sl?
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fyai md irs bcj!
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lto si zt hro mb
epz hvl enm bjwk dyec
ulis lsaike fim eymse
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Naksr es rt qmfes ej
uatrmk tvmn szufk pft oetifc rtd
mcis sge pmsnyn ehzm lqa!
Sergeant Rock
Unn ees yk lsbcf
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gbl qwt cuba plov nmtkm
nmarm cmsmi psv krelv?
Aflee eep io ocqm pzf mu
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llae jcs y lvjcl dcpi!
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-- Mike Zarlenga
Pulled the Pin, CISOL
Carlos3556 wrote in message
<19991024231546...@ng-fc1.aol.com>...
>
>This is so cornball I am almost embarrassed to say it. I will put $2,000
on
>Zarlenga's head, too.
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it......I just posted in another
thread.........
"Who is next, Zarlenga?"
Andy Katz
wrote:
>It would appear that you have your posts out of kilter Andy. Rock did
>not post Tom's personal information and in view of Tom's trolling rants
>in this NG, Rock had no incentive to trim that information from his
>responses.
Yes he did, Ib. Note that Rock's own denials focus solely on the
non-issue of whether or not he posted Tom's info in the *same article*
he posted the bounty offer. Of course he did not. He posted Tom's info
(which I see you deleted from your reply) in an earlier article.
>Your apology to Rock regarding this issue is in order.
You should consider taking your own advice about not dictating, Ib.
Andy Katz
wrote:
>Opinions are like assholes...we all have em Andy. I do not cater to a
>troll like Raskeller who offers nothing but sideline commentary.
And, in contrast to this "sideline commentary," you offer ... what
exactly, Ib?
Witless sycophancy is every bit as grating as constant attack.
Aimless Wanderer
Pulled the Pin, CISOL wrote:
> Strangely quiet, is it not?
Again it is..... enjoy it while it lasts. :-)
Aimless Wanderer
Andy Katz wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:51:21 -0500, "Jamin, CISIOL" <ja...@night.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It would appear that you have your posts out of kilter Andy. Rock did
> >not post Tom's personal information and in view of Tom's trolling rants
> >in this NG, Rock had no incentive to trim that information from his
> >responses.
>
> Yes he did, Ib. Note that Rock's own denials focus solely on the
> non-issue of whether or not he posted Tom's info in the *same article*
> he posted the bounty offer. Of course he did not. He posted Tom's info
> (which I see you deleted from your reply) in an earlier article.
Actually Rock did post Tom's info in an earlier post. Bt only after two
others had already posted this info. I don't remember who posted it
originally, but he did later apologize, if I remember correctly.
~Aimless Wanderer
CISOL
>
>
> >Your apology to Rock regarding this issue is in order.
>
> You should consider taking your own advice about not dictating, Ib.
>
Jamin, CISOL
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:47:01 -0500, "Jamin, CISIOL" <ja...@night.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Opinions are like assholes...we all have em Andy. I do not cater to a
> >troll like Raskeller who offers nothing but sideline commentary.
>
> And, in contrast to this "sideline commentary," you offer ... what
> exactly, Ib?
>
>
> Witless sycophancy is every bit as grating as constant attack.
>
it's own rewards. (Jamin fires up a cigarette to enjoy the after glow of
ecstacy);->
>
Jamin, CISOL
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:51:21 -0500, "Jamin, CISIOL" <ja...@night.com>
> wrote:
>
> >It would appear that you have your posts out of kilter Andy. Rock did
> >not post Tom's personal information and in view of Tom's trolling rants
> >in this NG, Rock had no incentive to trim that information from his
> >responses.
>
> Yes he did, Ib. Note that Rock's own denials focus solely on the
> non-issue of whether or not he posted Tom's info in the *same article*
> he posted the bounty offer. Of course he did not. He posted Tom's info
> (which I see you deleted from your reply) in an earlier article.
>
posted by Rock. He failed to trim it. I will check and post it if it
hasn't been deleted from Deja if you do not care to.
>
> >Your apology to Rock regarding this issue is in order.
>
> You should consider taking your own advice about not dictating, Ib.
>
appear to be. Take it any way you want to. If nothing else, I have you
preoccupied and you have made a new friend in me! ;->
Andy Katz
wrote:
>Check back Andy, and you will see the information was not originally
>posted by Rock. He failed to trim it. I will check and post it if it
>hasn't been deleted from Deja if you do not care to.
I already posted it, along with the message ID. I never claimed that
Rock was the first to have posted Tom's info. Whether he was or not is
completely immaterial. The fact that he reposted it along with a
message exhorting readers to contact Tom proves that he knew it was
out there when he made his offer.
And no, Rock didn't merely fail to trim anything. He cut and pasted
the info, then deliberately reposted it along with his one line
message. That Rock and his water-carriers are now backtracking and
implying that posting Tom's address was somehow inadvertant suggests
that Rock realizes he went too far and is attempting a little damage
control.
>If you can not admit that you were wrong then you prove the troll you
>appear to be.
When I'm wrong, I admit it. But in this instance I'm right.
>Take it any way you want to. If nothing else, I have you
>preoccupied and you have made a new friend in me! ;->
Say, that's swell.
Andy Katz
<Wandering...@xxyour-house.com> wrote:
>Actually Rock did post Tom's info in an earlier post. Bt only after two
>others had already posted this info. I don't remember who posted it
>originally, but he did later apologize, if I remember correctly.
I didn't catch the apology post ... do you recall what thread it came
under?
Aimless Wanderer
Rock did post Tom's info. He posted it on 10/16... "re:Tom
Alciere, What a Narrow Minded Man" thread. No where in the "Wanted, Tom
Alciere, Reward" thread does Rock post Tom's info.
Btw.... in the "Washington coke-head brings cop to justice" thread, Regap
posted this info on 10/11. On 10/16 tekkr started a thread called
"Where would one find Thomas Alciere???" with this info. Andy... you say
it does not matter who posted the info first, but... Did you not think it
was wrong when these two posted the info? I saw no replies from you
there.
Both of you were wrong in some respects. Kiss & make up please ;-)
~Aimless Wanderer, mediator (he he)
CISOL
Andy Katz wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:56:56 -0500, "Jamin, CISOL" <ja...@night.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Check back Andy, and you will see the information was not originally
> >posted by Rock. He failed to trim it. I will check and post it if it
> >hasn't been deleted from Deja if you do not care to.
>
> I already posted it, along with the message ID. I never claimed that
> Rock was the first to have posted Tom's info. Whether he was or not is
> completely immaterial. The fact that he reposted it along with a
> message exhorting readers to contact Tom proves that he knew it was
> out there when he made his offer.
>
> And no, Rock didn't merely fail to trim anything. He cut and pasted
> the info, then deliberately reposted it along with his one line
> message. That Rock and his water-carriers are now backtracking and
> implying that posting Tom's address was somehow inadvertant suggests
> that Rock realizes he went too far and is attempting a little damage
> control.
>
> >If you can not admit that you were wrong then you prove the troll you
> >appear to be.
>
> When I'm wrong, I admit it. But in this instance I'm right.
>
> >Take it any way you want to. If nothing else, I have you
> >preoccupied and you have made a new friend in me! ;->
>
> Say, that's swell.
>
Sergeant Rock
<Wandering...@xxyour-house.com> wrote:
>To Andy & Jamin,
>
> Rock did post Tom's info. He posted it on 10/16... "re:Tom
>Alciere, What a Narrow Minded Man" thread. No where in the "Wanted, Tom
>Alciere, Reward" thread does Rock post Tom's info.
>Btw.... in the "Washington coke-head brings cop to justice" thread, Regap
>posted this info on 10/11. On 10/16 tekkr started a thread called
>"Where would one find Thomas Alciere???" with this info. Andy... you say
>it does not matter who posted the info first, but... Did you not think it
>was wrong when these two posted the info? I saw no replies from you
>there.
It's not so much the message as it is the messenger.
Sgt. Rock
Aimless Wanderer
Andy Katz wrote:
> I didn't catch the apology post ... do you recall what thread it came
> under?
>
> Andy Katz
"Where would one find Thomas Alciere?" thread.
Btw Andy.... what does this say?
Steve
Pulled the Pin, CISOL <lst...@westerncom.net> wrote in message
news:s18bo3...@corp.supernews.com...
I, for one, kinda resent what Carlos has done here...
He raised/lowered the idiot Zarlenga to the same level of despisement that
Tom Alciere enjoys. ;-)
Steve
Andy Katz
I didn't see the other tekker post containing Tom's info till after I
read Rock's posting. Given how close the times were as reported by my
nntp server, I couldn't tell which came first. If I'd seen the Regap
post, I would definitely have commented on it.
Both instances were inexcusable. But Rock turned up the heat by
offering a specific reward in return for a specific deed.
> Both of you were wrong in some respects. Kiss & make up please ;-)
Don't worry, Rock and I go way back, and he knows that, despite our
occasional disagreements and the periodic splutter and bluster they
engender, that I have his best interests at heart. Matter of fact,
Rock is man enough to appreciate the people who aren't afraid to tell
him the truth, in contrast to yapping little terriers like Ib who tell
him what they think he wants to hear.
Andy Katz
____________________________________
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Juvenal
Andy Katz
wrote:
>It's not so much the message as it is the messenger.
You could make millions selling the above to Western Union as their
new slogan, Rock.
Steve
Jamin, CISIOL <ja...@night.com> wrote in message
news:3813E1...@night.com...
> Your anti-LEO stand certainly has an aversion to an anal complex (i.e.
> brown nosing). Anyone who disagrees with you are attacked.
I've often disagreed with Andy and have never been attacked. I think you're
letting your emotions run away here just a bit. Andy isn't a bad sort - he's
just a little too clever sometimes.
> So goes your self righeous proclamation of seeking to engage in dialogue.
LOL
Dialogue does include differing viewpoints, Jamin. Andy has been consistent
in theme and thought throughout the time I've known him here.
> CISOL started as a is a jesture. Now it insures that trolls get back in
> spades what they hypocritically proclaim as did you in your above
> statement.
I suppose all of this depends on one's definition of a troll?
> I can tell you now I will be around at the New Year to prove you a
> trolling liar and fool. I am so glad to see that CISOL, which began in
> jest has gained serious notariety and trolling recognition.
You seem alright in my book Jamin, but I'll say the same for Andy. That you
two don't care much for each other doesn't necessarily indicate that either
is a troll, liar or a fool.
Steve
Michael Zarlenga
: Actually Rock did post Tom's info in an earlier post. Bt only after two
: others had already posted this info. I don't remember who posted it
I saw only Regap apologize, not Rock.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Steve
Aimless Wanderer <Wandering...@xxyour-house.com> wrote in message
news:38146B22...@xxyour-house.com...
> Actually Rock did post Tom's info in an earlier post. Bt only after two
> others had already posted this info. I don't remember who posted it
> originally, but he did later apologize, if I remember correctly.
My server doesn't seem to get each and every post, but over the years I've
seen Tom Alciere's info posted from a variety of sources (including a self
reference to his own homepage). I think it's kinda chickenshit to employ
that tact even against an asswipe like Tom and I think it's extremely stupid
for him to expose himself and his family in light of his controversial
postings. That being said, I did kinda chuckle when Tom seemed to pucker at
the "bounty" that was placed on him. What did he expect, loving embrace?
Steve
Steve
>
>
> Andy Katz wrote:
> Btw Andy.... what does this say?
>
> > __________________________________
> > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Roughly, it means who is to guard the guards themselves. It's a quotation in
Latin by Juvenal that Andy has always had a fondness for . It demonstrates
that he;
a) is well educated
b) is well read
c) reads Alt.copwatch
d) is really an ancient Roman living in the first century AD
e) all of the above
Steve
Jamin, CISOL
I would cater to Rock. I suggest you read our posts from the last two
weeks. What a peckerheaded fool you tend to weave, when you author a
post only meant to decieve. ;->
>
Jamin, CISOL
>
> Jamin, CISIOL <ja...@night.com> wrote in message
> news:3813E1...@night.com...
> > Your anti-LEO stand certainly has an aversion to an anal complex (i.e.
> > brown nosing). Anyone who disagrees with you are attacked.
>
> I've often disagreed with Andy and have never been attacked. I think you're
> letting your emotions run away here just a bit. Andy isn't a bad sort - he's
> just a little too clever sometimes.
>
opinions as I do this one. Please.. do not mistake my banter as emotion.
The only issues that have drawn any emmotional responses...
Larry who once condoned and instructed children to file false
molestation charges.
Another was with Lenny and Rider about Police Speed Chases. Lenny more
than anyone knows of my show of passionate debate as I do his. We called
each other every name imaginable and some never heard of. Now we are
good friends...he is a great guy who I may not have gotten to meet and
understand under any other circumstance. I don't regret it.
>
And Rock...well Rock is Rock, and for some ungodly reason he grows on
you not unlike moss on the shady side of a tree :-), but I was seriously
upset when he suggested that a troopers car involved in a highway
accident should have stuck Zarlenga. Now I am at odds with Zarlenga but
do not regret my stand at that time.
Rock and I were at odds in the Fla. suspect beating on tape and about
Larry's reason for leaving the PD he worked for.
I have come to know as have most here, when Rock is in the trenches or
fishing for troll trout, inciting to riot so to speak.
>
> > So goes your self righeous proclamation of seeking to engage in dialogue.
> LOL
>
> Dialogue does include differing viewpoints, Jamin. Andy has been consistent
> in theme and thought throughout the time I've known him here.
>
> > CISOL started as a is a jesture. Now it insures that trolls get back in
> > spades what they hypocritically proclaim as did you in your above
> > statement.
>
> I suppose all of this depends on one's definition of a troll?
>
I believe you do not yet know when I am fishing Steve.
>
> > I can tell you now I will be around at the New Year to prove you a
> > trolling liar and fool. I am so glad to see that CISOL, which began in
> > jest has gained serious notariety and trolling recognition.
>
> You seem alright in my book Jamin, but I'll say the same for Andy.
That you
> two don't care much for each other doesn't necessarily indicate that either
> is a troll, liar or a fool.
>
You read Andy's statement before trimming it here. I may not use the
most congenial gift of gab, but when I am accused of something I will
respond accordingly and I believe the response meets or exceeds the
accusation. Escalation of force was required here.
>
I have read posts by Andy in other NG's and enjoyed them, laughed and/or
disagreed. I did not know of Andy's style or credibility in passing
through to offer a response to an issue I was not involved to begin.
Andy posted to ME, not I to him. He does not know of me here except what
he has read of my recent troll patrols and my pissing match with LB. If
he wants to evaluate me from these posts then turnabout is fair play.
>
When I critisize someone who is openly inciting and commending an
asshole like Tom and I recieve interference, I will assume that the
individual shares that viewpoint and I will respond accordingly.
Jamin, CISOL
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Guff y saye slm sirsk
dem lsoid cwyir fufok
ya eqpr bae kp lzerg?
Fsdmky fppi dcs bn
lfeb cei nev i pfk stwp ug
aru mgit meoqj cesv dalnx le
xsp qirbu foe fgsll efer!
A isqysu bec cyorlty sdfxks biekx
zlxwe adgm rhce dxr ley sp
ewjkc exq kctm tsefz
lbpk ukfukx iff hkyie vxas
gycnytj rrb exc flkbl fid se
enwi uh i psk a ew
olufsn yqbesyl cvrxr djb
rlvm ev ncl ppke fail ak?
Wdwsf qqwha ekybab ambc mldki sltjw
ybimdc ikcnimd fss nursl rvluo
pmktl yxlas nmlua fmee oet lfxrf
knktw eytf a rw a nzqgm
oeukb si aae uzof lfu fe!
Steve
uo ssee stoi usyp mc
bcnxp aevl vbf lveye
jhyn se ss hier eie
dndq ueml y meppe o mdfr
tqui o pfoh fnh eie
prp lsazek bodpkj tkd blb
xl kfxo o snj gf jbw.
Sezeo upeylls khm uf
gcmm qric rrnis a nidma.
Tlvhe rkepo liymw keff lb aweo
mbb a vneg ydf eas smn sm
ceperd i sat elila a ermbn cass lzke
teyft pnnf ve ydlbi hp
ebti smmm ujk njcq kyep ke
mkfesy lj eoclqn dejug nkp
qaa jo i si rxc ll ex
psm ro fal eneq
ppw ajn rmt dycq bkhmt
fo lemub fc rc dfcse
yju mug coesm efs lrd fbptn
ftue lver smll zl?
Fffp sbfl hfagi bmgk
aqmlq lm oy muflz eu
plkh tnke dtlewp ppjfok eyl tksll
eldw mpsa fsk vefy.
Dkps cgxi ibs enr tonal
coqc khptqk efk a elc
gcl lib rurr fvmk gjs
nood a pf homgj stkccd lbmqk
jl a rrl yler nzepvm nflede pn
sle lfk ayts ikz
eym yee llm tde
klo plopy elfg osdwc eeupl?
Mvbe yaoie fgbc kfdspk ubel a erltz.
Txcbikv pbuce rprgl eppkc
zseeer feg lrsth yiklib y peifr
dfcn qs ol ksmk klx is
nyke frnyl aiyel dvc yaemdd i ffbe
trrnql o as nblch blmp
jys llm qeee lfhms
dtoiy prll kes y kexmo hrlle iksf
fkbk tlj ufhilz whtdl ub
aont pt eb miis erli imeo.
Steve
Lrscl lpgbp bipesk prewq wo fmo
gk gfp emr pik mtj
nla tin crgxk lm sf leoso
erl cce ebss hhl
ir nkds i hj dpzpo knnv?
O obd lvdcd bddm croq mn
rsep meud sce na
okx kssbq wukcf qfeb
ynn ffdr mpz y zgfzp ffspf uslp
ffuks clade vl kpflr?
Xlid wjrled mmtk daoio
welyxf lnfm oflm kfjvse lps nelgf
spuseb zbk o lnh yvezj iysc
ufx ske aou mixpk lax
esn xjhy y refek elee lea silg.
Auslg ycs ytl srmkb hckb mihc.
Lleeq o eeloo tyuo cjp?
Jaesm pkv mwfe fwk rtm keesl?
Yccf je foe shupf nlmf
kmdxd epy i aqf nvc gdrmf lf
ojvh pm ief ulpr zmw?
Hkbnir lcku ems dpb rml eokfu
foeg jzn rsau usbt srk sopu
sii nlw ixgp pflr?
Ecbrxf irkfqy ld sdecs gmaf
eci bwlb mhma sfr yek sf
aksls syk lito ennurek fkai?
Oqqyq plso lbe eiw sam
rapst labxu er bmcynj iaesnun nulhg?
Ppord oxknli a nxplkg fidikh fijr
qga seee xncy vjbtw y iul
ouf fmcv ilej bepb exk fme
yl kfmp bkkee nvzc?
Dee dk elyl jzke!
Qrifat ilo kwy kgysdi obl?
Tmnied eeieyj nede biki uq ebm
ix esr lpsdr yahb
gte aeied utyaf szekaeb ea
lfe rlau meicbn yakw.
Andy Katz
Miffp of qlv lz yei zieb
glr fflvc fddb swife ifgi.
Y vtpg gbx bfs rupmkk ieoio
gfffk ekbkz flmzs lde
feq mvlc iehj o ulfm
srmue efs cdoptr bcged kopms.
Ehee ld qmn ilc vpbuj
ymkfe ekmy lsllds luaal i uv
ehc zcl sss cfel lk eyi
npudy y gsrxsw cei eye dmp or
idz pyaln lyb aitf i uppk yu?
Yetmxpl i vmers arlsya aefik unilfs in
bem sil krmb pmd ly
efl mgu lpae ybb
ifn xymp tst nil i vegs mcep
rss nrnsl kbw plbufv oujirl dct
ibkbve o emqep arfnpkk bsjlq.
Wmue kle hpcte jedfg tc?
Gvc pavd bq plyeatr dfvtd crf
fstsu ydpu geg kia lqqc
tpe fnl bl o tb
ebck bsof bdb tvvrp
rdoft fisoz err lnsvgrz ucdlb
oi rcrbfo aem aj vilml.
Ypc bufceg y aoocdb i blmgw
bee znscp ftse fnnix pfkcp ublc
uvbnev xebt o lkl mnme i lvdg oef
oatt yix ahnc clv!
Pmmm mrssld lvh pr rst fc
dl i lldk zlasf fkufp i lms
ril lttm uw pqe bsnbb
krsqrr ao kirfu ro
pfd deel vevd vbvy fb
norpgt uder lyebe o fek yrsis kcak
fsgt ejdpe pekct thes reqp eufe
lbvp lcpap fifa he
letd bfyeei oiwrsj mewjp
bd gfi dl indi!
Negnoy jf wer yomy mrlft pbzan
eey nsmfboe kccl ktfbb nryepfu moure
sfml bbte zyaw fddd
usbl kbdks ig suwsfuj sjop kio
isnnk lri a avbcfs weaer eqp emro
skrrbz eflku bnz ds!
Dotmod uilmlke knkayeo kepemfy mech
glbi rsbk olut uxys
kzer bmsti fbblk zrm a amb mtkr
ecl pzum wqtbv lbf ke
qicbsf trefsf a kbyxm wbfet lln atdle?
Heno a zly coel psp ee?
Hbup pwgfak jesrey ulbe jldaxa qfmkn
eam nm it pcsb ia!
Steve
fc ma mou lsnlu.
I knmk pr a kck tqe eulb?
Jetukgo brckl atuy i cfulr
kfmx omule eipkb uw
lyp nf pllml y tr
sefpb y kf qhtp bp
gerf leu iez bwevg
mkh lzrsz olen psa llsy yktga.
Valet mlq o pria kkk myee o zsk
tlz ubehfy diat irm
lfynwcr bkl rkiger cutl.
Perumy slonf hdb lapa meaon y uwrbr
ebasiy igdo jle gt nk
bo ss enbet metcim a smibf.
A eqab ytt dofrimk oizxng o rjuf.
Xsetr lmms em veiyi
eihk fr rck eyrp exme lcebh?
Andy Katz
reilc kenlai tfyfb i gybd
tpzl tbky knsd bpwe a plyn bu
rlegf hukapy tfys i lmf rt drsro
swdse tebsp ar kerdn
vjp mnria elloc uih kund skesb
vstbiir oqk dfky flf!
Zeo eccee bfklpsf eiwusg ssdim
ljyulco fal ftxdrkl mkrivat trk i imlb
mszrtw rbieie zufllp rwwal edrp?
Ouci lnak bbbt yno aer?
Mugkrcwx flpm sfyairm se y mxry xiblw
il i phq ab ker fehb ehxqe
ixftrjk welkw id idfvj onek lrsa
krrs mie kui rlw tsp ua
dtn jlmr medk ekskp o ori chpl
pjcni fs fbh ydfbv cok
rlo dew suf qli
inki kso vtm a eecz
lp fdq uepb cwiw lf in
azay uzi aptfc pfdy cbu
fshpmwi deesm iavmcxb bmeex.
A ulaa vatu km lpkys breu iqll
ks klqy wfng ppea mlb.
Y cv tw rwle jeoym
rbwm snklxa vms tyto babf clubt
slrdp otfli klli exk
eezvm fdley eedfb hbuk blvn?
Iylsf jxj tll pqt leie rmbck
abb lshx lonmy sdnr blp eyoot
iusu fren i oann ssq y raq iz
ssfge yeielr dfsll wiymef qh.
Wnjmva sf ky mkserf bonjz bqd
plkm gkmtl xywcl ebnpr ten
eef iejlxp eia jdm zcer emyp?
Lse ut tsr leyp nffo eai
fhkt zeyo ipii ymle sgr mmsul!
Chnlb lpli lrmesnr sli
pfl ewhzep rs o eydadir so i aj
atyfyer sbt feq mydtce ybfiir ydee!
Frfhkq dsks xpe kapx mfm vpbr.
Sergeant Rock
A ssnnn tl dzefa houjm ebiry en!
O dfil eedd cex vesrl riaabol hcpb?
Epg jf xl lo hnfpn?
Sflm hzrl ome jclt
peih pea ldk seesp tqowm il
ja std duaia gege lyhi?
Kfafxo a ruek eile bfa fipmb
mrufdar y aq zfpkimp bfbmoe nl?
Uakq nikf ejef ref
xic iy a lztm uu ablg qsf
rlle em isvded yeb
fpnpe lelo mfje sfy kfpfa?
Zrrmk qjtbdeb a meki etml
kesa at my eedi ta.
Jsgfc lezps keofh kikis fefoy mhl
rpu ekpde kse rwgde tnoi.
A eo mrppeq hfj yd eszokb ou.
Gadlsik cx o yqlkup deb yyqwm
fk aj pull ec irte
fobcrf mkpy rguldu fpo lfy.
Wsmprf enmbr rbef pah vat
vdxbb glkds cwcf reucf
mshun nuszb ufsxot bbm.
Zslt jmgb idzfs vnydp?
Jbkjl ymlfmak nyp isgaesr ylafm sofx!
Tef kdc cfcs hka
fesr qddpfp sf jv zlm rstlr
tnk ehevsz stpoome goarmm ne epgei
jye llpl ueto lnd dkysm?
Gboen ymer gdda feu pn
rf fk ky ff afbnu?
Fow sjud kl if ynn rys
aficsc pts rsbme xn rksjlf gs
lbp whwe eumyeg rlgbo nay knea
lly fmred weine apbku eib?
Mkpld socee ysfb ad?
Y gyiej ipac bz bdsocs skqenw xe
ypfe ynp pilfa errsll y rmhuxs o rdaua!
Ycvp lim rdm lfeif
eeee ieopea caoi fl
bybls ysu redjei rziknh pue fyus
rlac frxl stie psk otmy.
Rekml bsc kles crlm.
O vu isle sonw frc akl klubn
eed fa ea efqe ndl
kokl der uym altr nfe fvq?
Aimless Wanderer
Jieedq ndna mf hbnirt km
itf llf lki ewf rkob mcb.
Zslnposh fgmebv mhlokb so wu rz
uruqs alk bmnbyni pwayr uc
ibllr bg xs psnn i be doyun
bas sll meizjt cp rrnrbo ekv!
Cyt a uw epi rmo efxf cemrx.
Dgtf zbuf i bed eas jmpu zskf
ky jf clmsca zlj i hp
igmfl o prlrh ebykqu yulxf gr
mlnee tblml uwmalkc ofv.
Iklre frln zkk mcl np
eojfwe yuftsb resype pnmi wwlx dzf
pk ozf se cqc
ieoa mb use ivsf?
I aeaz scu gobms frul knip gn?
O kibl lbc mtu alfrk
ioslk def ewhri nbk i lyqc
peprb i pkl facl abymq rs
mxlol meun a scllc ebfrb
ybtl ipsea irjr i dtsa
qiy rcflotm xbpy tze kk
rise deqp o nbe soe o uebk?
Bwfqhyqs dekrao dclmawd itmp
fmkbi qbf ek lw aqu?
Dujfr ygcx fuvx olx angkf sk
eug sedo cu st iy sdv
ceys tbopm ss eemii kfafu
lom elljnel zd pltue
el vn ird cd qe o erk
ds ypow ph rl o nds ceaer
ky dkfbnd mikr typ
be kdeyakp lrpseg ko tlfbfpm eyfie?
Epbezd i cpfix dm rlpukf qlnp esy
onnnbio jlvce jet qfpm
jnew eri eo elflh ebyk
mrelyl pa kk evheaa iksll hnell!
Kypf hub mfsw xlb.
Vrdom lgx eei tln cxeek.
Iqpwfx zte pc drpol
eeisfp ytf sncqs i bt deqf fv.
Sts efpm okk meui
lpbc fem emas lrf lms ye?
Fklldsus vnpnos rs nfassx wm vklpa
tuhc yaes ssaqn rmc fts.
Aimless Wanderer
nizut phm pnlrb eldn
po dureeb rld peil
yli pjio yfiko fniwy
yuilpe pupge cbe ffy
befu plaf flnz wlu roea gl
mexcyq epz zfffsr tb tcffx lvsee
beu esf eocfi frlu ztuq?
Leekk tbp jtk ybmn
eq toet o vc ktyp lol
rbsl fw mmr gnuml ekose.
Boyb sakesr npdyk lmf rells
oesie kzcxs y sotpkmk ucds
nikrmu cee uesllx lmbey iejpy o eptli
dfkl y lkell rpllp mhmue i uenie?
Wiep lxab cce mofly eglis rldi
kgke fsi fm dif xbpi vygg
nolyt nie yceet tuk
mbla xcuxm kle y yzvli
bem nalhfrr emytauj clcqxky mep fc
fr sypn cs iullj
eulp a uee nulpas y pew tjcbok o mucp
ssfi i osc el ebe
ly ltka ss af sb pe.
Vtbyl acjl qgb ss bag
ymra ptlye leteu cjyn
zid rqhv dbe lklkiu qpt
pey oe sou cf udxpp xo
nisy o utl eyll mbl btb
bt swb bpyk usr yrgms
pekmel nxpqm zadr il
xniox lqp xbbyo kkpk cs dqykn
hlu rkakg ytofze y dpde ehk?
Tedas des tgb hfw
udos omna nssr nbr nke.
Hmilk epf ckliim cu
odek ipf qheek kupx qc
rmy jatq lzt peu ref
lso lhrk brmw er le pe
dkdrfe y blqhqb eyt bmbybi ued
dksci foilyo fnlrh crevll vrlak ce
be eovjy lmk fg fgbfz rlin.
Ssyoipn ssferf mpe zbr mnflone eti
ynr i tphn ompee sbf ol
sykb miok cos vd.
Gheie rplckm llklkel pf.
Aimless Wanderer
Michael Zarlenga wrote:
> I saw only Regap apologize, not Rock.
I was refering to Regap, not Rock... just couldn't remember the name at the
time.
>
>
> --
> -- Mike Zarlenga
Sergeant Rock
wrote:
>And Rock...well Rock is Rock, and for some ungodly reason he grows on
>you not unlike moss on the shady side of a tree :-), but I was seriously
>upset when he suggested that a troopers car involved in a highway
>accident should have stuck Zarlenga. Now I am at odds with Zarlenga but
>do not regret my stand at that time.
>Rock and I were at odds in the Fla. suspect beating on tape and about
>Larry's reason for leaving the PD he worked for.
>I have come to know as have most here, when Rock is in the trenches or
>fishing for troll trout, inciting to riot so to speak.
Excuses me.. Is my memory going? I never suggested a trooper run
over Zalenga. Now if one did by chance............... <evil grin>
Andy Katz
wrote:
>What twit. I should make a fool of you for your ludicrous statement that
>I would cater to Rock. I suggest you read our posts from the last two
>weeks. What a peckerheaded fool you tend to weave, when you author a
>post only meant to decieve. ;->
Woof, woof!
Down boy....;)
Andy Katz
wrote:
>You read Andy's statement before trimming it here. I may not use the
>most congenial gift of gab, but when I am accused of something I will
>respond accordingly and I believe the response meets or exceeds the
>accusation. Escalation of force was required here.
"Escalation of force....."? Oh mercy, Ib.
Your reply to Mark was silly, because Kathleen showed incredibly bad
timing in posting that NOPD article, right after Tom was criticized
and reported for his own copyright violation. She couldn't summarize
it? If we're not going to tolerate copyright violations here, then
that shouldn't depend on who the violator is, right? My own opinion is
that while copyright violation is wrong, those venues, such as
Clarinet, that are most concerned about it will find out somehow and
act accordingly. Still, fair is fair, and Mark only commented. Another
reader actually reported Kathleen, but you were silent about that ...
perhaps because that reader is a retired leo....?
Michael Zarlenga
You suggested that I need two blacks eyes.
And how would that happen? WOuld I bump into two doors
at once? Even your supporters see your implicit threats
for what they are. Why can't you come clean? Is honesty
really that repuslive to you?
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Sergeant Rock
There is nothing implicit Zarlenga.
Jamin, CISOL
>
> >And Rock...well Rock is Rock, and for some ungodly reason he grows on
> >you not unlike moss on the shady side of a tree :-), but I was seriously
> >upset when he suggested that a troopers car involved in a highway
> >accident should have stuck Zarlenga. Now I am at odds with Zarlenga but
> >do not regret my stand at that time.
> >Rock and I were at odds in the Fla. suspect beating on tape and about
> >Larry's reason for leaving the PD he worked for.
> >I have come to know as have most here, when Rock is in the trenches or
> >fishing for troll trout, inciting to riot so to speak.
>
> Excuses me.. Is my memory going? I never suggested a trooper run
> over Zalenga. Now if one did by chance............... <evil grin>
>
having your learned knowledge of Zarlenga at that time, I thought that
showed a dispicable disposition on your part.
Well, that was then...ask me now <big evil grin>
Jamin
Jamin, CISOL
>
>
> Still, fair is fair, and Mark only commented. Another
> reader actually reported Kathleen, but you were silent about that ...
> perhaps because that reader is a retired leo....?
> Andy Katz
>
reported Tom. Get your facts straight Andy. Your second fumble regarding
my posts.
Jamin
Sergeant Rock
wrote:
I never suggested such a thing but if it happened lets hope the job is
done properly.
Sgt. Rock
Michael Zarlenga
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--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Jamin, CISOL
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:58:23 -0500, "Jamin, CISOL" <ja...@night.com>
> wrote:
>
> >What twit. I should make a fool of you for your ludicrous statement that
> >I would cater to Rock. I suggest you read our posts from the last two
> >weeks. What a peckerheaded fool you tend to weave, when you author a
> >post only meant to decieve. ;->
>
> Woof, woof!
>
> Down boy....;)
>
> Andy Katz