International Dirvers License, is it a scam?
Toe Jam
KatmanDu! wrote:
> There are such things as international driving licenses; but how you
> obtain one I don't know. I do know that GCIC/NCIC doesn't list them..
Ah, the hell with the driver - just write them a ticket for no DL and let
them show proof of one in court or pay the fine.
Stuntman
I handled a motor vehicle accident this week where one of the
operators gave me an IAA License. It looked semi legit, so I took the
report. It did not get kicked back yet so I can only assume it is
valid.
On the back of the license, was a web site. I checked it out and I am
now fully confused. They have an online application so it seems that
fraud can easily be commited. Does anyone have experience with this
license?
This is the Web site:
http://www.iaalicense.com/
Anne Hildrum
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I don't know about this one, but we here are adviced to get an
international
driving license when we go abroad. I Remember being stopped while I was in
Utah, and was a bit mean and handed the officer my Norwegian one, which
was of course entirely in Norwegian. Due to a treaty or whatever it is
called
it was valid in the USA. He looked at it and of course it didn't tell him a
much,
so after a little while I handed him the international one, which relates
to
the norwegian and said sorry you'll probably get more out of this one.
Basically I think we are to be able to show both though, even though you
need to show your Norwegian on in order to get the international one.
Anne
>
Hackman
Stuntman wrote:
> I handled a motor vehicle accident this week where one of the
> operators gave me an IAA License. It looked semi legit, so I took the
> report. It did not get kicked back yet so I can only assume it is
> valid.
> On the back of the license, was a web site. I checked it out and I am
> now fully confused. They have an online application so it seems that
> fraud can easily be commited. Does anyone have experience with this
> license?
> This is the Web site:
> http://www.iaalicense.com/
an internation drivers license is simply a TRANSLATION in the major
languages of yor CURRENT
DL.
It is not, in and of itself, a permitt to drive...it still needs the
backup of the original issued license of the home country of the person
that is using it.
Applying for one is as simple as getting a picture and the translated
pages to fill out from your licenes.
KatmanDu!
>> operators gave me an IAA License. It looked semi legit, so I took the
>> report. It did not get kicked back yet so I can only assume it is
>> valid.
There are such things as international driving licenses; but how you
obtain one I don't know. I do know that GCIC/NCIC doesn't list them..
you have to contact Interpol to check their validity. "Hang on while I
run your license, sir... should get a reply in, oh, 2 weeks." :)
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MJay 45
KatmanDu! wrote:
> >Stuntman <the...@ix.netcom.com> skrev i artikkelen
> ><35227b6c...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> >> I handled a motor vehicle accident this week where one of the
> >> operators gave me an IAA License. It looked semi legit, so I took the
> >> report. It did not get kicked back yet so I can only assume it is
> >> valid.
>
> There are such things as international driving licenses; but how you
> obtain one I don't know. I do know that GCIC/NCIC doesn't list them..
> you have to contact Interpol to check their validity. "Hang on while I
> run your license, sir... should get a reply in, oh, 2 weeks." :)
>
If I recall they are issued in the United States for travel abroad by the AAA.
They are just supposed to be a translation of your original driver license and
have no legal power in and of themselves.
MJay 45
Graeme J Quinn
On Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:59:38 -0800, MJay 45 <MJa...@iamerica.net>
wrote:
>If I recall they are issued in the United States for travel abroad by the AAA.
>They are just supposed to be a translation of your original driver license and
>have no legal power in and of themselves.
That's how I understand it to be... I got one from the AA (Automobile
Association - the UK's AAA!) which was only issued after my UK licence
was presented and is only valid when the two are presented together to
an LEO.
Grae
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Mike Sweeney
Toe Jam wrote:
> KatmanDu! wrote:
>
> > There are such things as international driving licenses; but how you
> > obtain one I don't know. I do know that GCIC/NCIC doesn't list them..
>
> Ah, the hell with the driver - just write them a ticket for no DL and let
> them show proof of one in court or pay the fine.
International Driver Licenses (in the US are obtained through the State
Department) are a valid license, but only if carried with the license from
the licensee's country. Applicants must show a valid license in order to
get one, and are told that they must have both in their possession. If you
did not see a license from the issuing country, you should have just arrested
the guy. Then, at least, your state could collect the bail/bond on him....
M
(11 1/2 years with DMV)
Anne Hildrum
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>
>
> KatmanDu! wrote:
>
> > There are such things as international driving licenses; but how you
> > obtain one I don't know. I do know that GCIC/NCIC doesn't list them..
>
> Ah, the hell with the driver - just write them a ticket for no DL and let
> them show proof of one in court or pay the fine.
Wouldn't you look kind of dum though writing them a ticket
for no driving license if they did have one that was legal?
Anne
>
>
>
Anne Hildrum
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> >Stuntman <the...@ix.netcom.com> skrev i artikkelen
> ><35227b6c...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> >> I handled a motor vehicle accident this week where one of the
> >> operators gave me an IAA License. It looked semi legit, so I took the
> >> report. It did not get kicked back yet so I can only assume it is
> >> valid.
>
> There are such things as international driving licenses; but how you
> obtain one I don't know. I do know that GCIC/NCIC doesn't list them..
> you have to contact Interpol to check their validity. "Hang on while I
> run your license, sir... should get a reply in, oh, 2 weeks." :)
>
Here you have to get them from the Automobile clubs.
2 weeks you got to be kidding. They will stick with it for 2 weeks, and
then there will be another x number of weeks in the origin country.
Interpol doesn't have it.
Anne
RobAZ1
>From: "Anne Hildrum"
>Wouldn't you look kind of dum though writing them a ticket
>for no driving license if they did have one that was legal?
I checked with a friend in State and she said that an international drivers
license is simple a universally agreeded upon form for identifying a person who
has a valid license but needs proof that can be universally recognized in many
countries. In other words there is no specific one form of IDL used throughout
the world, but rather variations of an approved identification form. However
an IDL, by itself, is not a valid drivers license unless accompanied by their
original issue license from their own country. Otherwise, if presented with
an approved IDL and an original license, it's valid and accepted as a right to
operate a vehicle.
The problem is, how do you recognize a legit IDL? I was told to contact the HQ
for Triple A and they would provide any law enforcement agency with copies of
know IDL. The State Dept will also provide a detailed brochureshowing all US
State, UN, and other international documents for individuals and diplomats.
Another thing is most will have a notice of approval with a UN identifier on
it. They usually will be in the lanquage of the original issue country AND
either english or french. But there are other versions. She did point out that
many people are selling IDLs over the internet and those are fake. Giving one
of those to a LEO as identification is the same as giving an LEO a generic card
that says "State Drivers License" or any other ID cards produced at check
cashing and photo shops.
From experience, if you don't recognize a document as legit, you can always
bring them in for identification investigation, the same as if they didn't
produce ID to you. You can still cite for no DL and have them produce
verifiable proof of a DL to the court and have it dismissed at that level.
Nothing wrong with that approach.
Rob-
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Anne Hildrum wrote:
> I don't know about this one, but we here are adviced to get an
> international
> driving license when we go abroad. I Remember being stopped while I was in
> Utah, and was a bit mean and handed the officer my Norwegian one, which
> was of course entirely in Norwegian. Due to a treaty or whatever it is
> called
> it was valid in the USA. He looked at it and of course it didn't tell > him a much, so after a little while I handed him the international > one, which relates to
> the norwegian and said sorry you'll probably get more out of this one.
>
> Basically I think we are to be able to show both though, even though > you need to show your Norwegian on in order to get the international > one.
>
> Anne
>
> >
hahahahahaha..you bad girl you..I would have loved to have
seen the look on his face when he tried to read that first
license :)
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Anne Hildrum
Now I understand that person was just showing the International
Driving license.
I am just now wondering as I know when I did show my Norwegian
driver's license to the officer in Utah years ago that by treaty or
whatever it is called my Norwegian one was legal in the US
for driving there while on vacation, as an American DL
would be here, that that officer could have cited me for not
having a drivers license, while I in fact had one?
> From experience, if you don't recognize a document as legit, you can
always
> bring them in for identification investigation, the same as if they
didn't
> produce ID to you. You can still cite for no DL and have them produce
> verifiable proof of a DL to the court and have it dismissed at that
level.
> Nothing wrong with that approach.
Hehe guess not for you, but I hope you do understand I might not be all
that happy having to go to court for not having a DL, while I had a
perfectly
legal one. Well of course I could of course also see it as an interesting
expirience.
Anne
KatmanDu!
On 4 Apr 1998 05:23:23 GMT, "Anne Hildrum" <noahi...@online.nono>
wrote:
>Wouldn't you look kind of dum though writing them a ticket
>for no driving license if they did have one that was legal?
Not really... Georgia has a statute requiring drivers to provide a
license on demand. Sort of like the "no proof of insurance" statute...
if they can show in court that they did have insurance at the time,
they're just fined for not having it on them at the time of the stop.
Magnum81
No, I don't think it's a "scam"....I think there will be more and more
of the international stuff to deal with. I have mentioned before I work
in the transportation industry. And the industry as a whole is at this
time in the process of studying and re-vamping its paperwork to reflect
a form that is created at the load's origin on a one-time billing
procedure (instead of re-billed at each stopping point).
The bill-of-lading will be a form that is uniform from
Alaska/Canada/US/Mexico possibly down throughout So.America, and one
that conforms to a very rigid set of standards. Up for debate and
changes in the t.-industry (also) is a common "shipping" language,
internationally, so that the ultimate goal will be all modes of trans-
portation working smoothly and interchangably with each other, i.e.
goods loaded onto boat, then arrives at boat-dock and unloaded to rail,
then delivered to truck, then at truck destination possibly back to boat
or rail. Whatever is cheapest.
And a whole set of rules about how to enforce these new laws is
forthcoming. So fallng right in line with the truckdriver (possible
International) licenses are your automotive lic. Yes I think Int'l. is
here to stay. The objective, we are advised, is for all countries to be
equally interwoven economically with each other and therefore
cooperative, because each's success depends upon the other.
Lofty food for thought. I stand neutral on this issue and just ponder.
M81
CGran29736
In article <01bd5fc9$2a024920$f5404382@default>, "Anne Hildrum"
<noahi...@online.nono> writes:
>Now I understand that person was just showing the International
>Driving license.
>I am just now wondering as I know when I did show my Norwegian
>driver's license to the officer in Utah years ago that by treaty or
>whatever it is called my Norwegian one was legal in the US
>for driving there while on vacation, as an American DL
>would be here, that that officer could have cited me for not
>having a drivers license, while I in fact had one?
but when his job transferred him to
Aberdeen, Scotland, I *think* he was
able to use his U.S. driver's license for
a short duration. In other words, I gather
for a limited length of time, the U.K.
honored U.S. drivers' licenses. I say
that, because I remember my brother
mentioning that he was working on ulti-
mately obtaining a U.K. drivers license,
after passing *their* written/driving tests.
When my son and I visited the U.K. in
1992, I could never quite get used to their
opposite-lane drivers/driving. The drivers in
London were/are just as scary as the drivers
in New Orleans. But at least New Orleans
drivers drive on the RIGHT side of the road. :-P
LISARanger
I have come across many of these "internation drivers licences". Foriegners
get them when applying for their passports. I dont' know what kind of test
they have to take (if any), but I've had a lot of traffic enforcement problems
(read driving on the wrong side of the road, falure to comply with traffic
control devices, etc...) with those who hold these licences. From what I can
figure, it's just another glorified passport.
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Alleycat
lisar...@aol.com (LISARanger) wrote:
>I have come across many of these "internation drivers licences". Foriegners
>get them when applying for their passports. I dont' know what kind of test
>they have to take (if any), but I've had a lot of traffic enforcement problems
>(read driving on the wrong side of the road, falure to comply with traffic
>control devices, etc...) with those who hold these licences. From what I can
>figure, it's just another glorified passport.
_________________________
I have had an international drivers' license before. Got it as easy
as could be, by showing my current license and paying about $5 for the
paperwork. -- Alleycat
kathleen flick
I got an int'l driver's license, too, for a trip to France in 1987.
Yeah, it was easy. I figured what it was all about was some bureaucracy
in France had empowered a company (here, it was AAA) to make sure you
really had a valid US driver's license, do a little paperwork, charge a
little verification fee, and you'd be allowed to drive in France, or
wherever. So you end up with a document understood the world over,
instead of them having to keep track of each state's license.
ssarealtor
The sad truth is all a International drivers license is, is a booklet that
states that the holder has a license in the country in which he/she resides.
I t is stated in numerous languages S0 that any law enforcement officer can
read it regardless of what country you are in. It has no specific legal
standing.
It is generally just a courtesy, and in fact anyone could legally make and
sell that license here in the U.S. and I would imagine in the World.
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