Can radar detct motorcycles?
Fred Evans, III
that's
why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
Fred
Timberwoof
<ev...@nospam.com> wrote:
No and no.
1. Police radar and laser *can* detect motorcycles. Radar will reflect
off any metallic surface such as a radiator, oil cooler, license plate
or headlight. Laser will refpect off any reflective surface, such as
license plate or headlight.
2. Motorcycle do get pulled over by cops. I saw one just the other day.
(And if you watch "Cops" or "The World's Scariest Poilice Chases" you'll
know that all bikers who are chased by cops are unskilled hooligans and
they all get caught; many get beaten up or injured. But that's a
separate thread.)
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Not your *ordinary* noncomformist.
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andy
Ruger45
You have never been around here. Not only am I a motor unit, but I stop
lots of motorcycles.
Fred Evans, III <ev...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:38E68D05...@nospam.com...
> I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> that's
> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
>
> Fred
Lenny Stover
Fred Evans, III wrote in message <38E68D05...@nospam.com>...
>I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
>that's
>why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
Absolutely not!
Some Guy on a Bike
> I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> that's
> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
I only see bikes pulled over by cops when I lok at the one I'm on.
I have had at least half a dozen tickets in the past 10 years that prove
your theory wrong.
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cars, trucks, etc. They do tend to be a bit harder to detect only due to
the size available to reflect the radar beam.
"Fred Evans, III" <ev...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:38E68D05...@nospam.com...
> I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> that's
> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
>
> Fred
Thumper
Thumper
"I don't want a Pickle..."
Keith Underwood
>> that's
>> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
BZZZZZZT! Wrong answer Fred. Next player...
Seriously, they are just as prone to getting stopped as any other vehicle.
Sgt Keith Underwood
Trfc...@cs.com
"Enforcement for safety, NOT for revenue"
Sa Quillen
<ev...@nospam.com> had this to say:
>I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
>that's why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
(long post)
Not at all. Radar will detect almost any moving target. Wonder how
they track the speed of baseball pitches?
However, radar inherently will track the largest available target. If
a M/C and a tractor trailer are side-by-side on a dual, the radar is
(most of the time) going to return the speed of the larger targer.
(more area to reflect, yadda yadda yadda) This is not true 100% of
the time, so don't count on it. (never mind the inherent danger of
riding beside a Trac-TLR for speed concealment)
Laser is a different issue - with traffic laser (or LIDAR), the
officer actually selects the target by aiming the gun at the license
plate, headlight, any reflective surface.
On an interesting note, you cannot use LIDAR while in motion, but you
can use radar. In older radar units, you had to be meeting your
target (or stationary) to get a reading. With newer units (Stalker
for one) you can be meeting the target, following the target, or ahead
of the target and still get a reading. There are radar antennas out
the front and back of the car, so just because you're behind the
officer doesn't mean your safe.
And officers will (and do) stop motorcycles. Here's 2 interesting M/C
police stories. For background, I spent 6 1/2 years as a police
dispatcher for a State Police on the east coast, and am now in the IT
section of the same agency (for the past 3 1/2 years):
War story mode on!
When I was a green diapatcher, another agency in our area tried to
stop 2 m/c's for speeding on the Monday of Labor Day weekend. One
stopped and the other fled. The agency called us, and we broadcast
the description. One of our officers saw the M/C and gave chase. At
the time of the chase, the M/C was moving in super heavy traffic, up
the shoulder (beach traffic going home after the holiday weekend).
The chase continued for about 5 minutes before the Shift Commander
decided it was much to risky to continue for just a traffic charge.
The officer was radioed to terminate the chase, acknowledged, and 18
seconds later he radioed back in an accident. The M/C operator had
looked back to see if he was still being chased, drifted off the
shoudler and smacked a utility pole. He was, of course, DOA. Lesson?
Don't run.
Second Story. I'm sure many of you have seen officer running traffic
by having 1 officer on an overpass using LIDAR (or RADAR or VASCAR)
and calling out speeds to a group of officers who will then flag and
ticket the offenders. I was working our data channel one afternoon,
and had a talk-around channel keyed up to listen to a group of
officers who were doing this very activity. The calling officer
suddeny comes up on the air with "Standby!" (very excitedly) he then
calls out, "127 on the lead motorcycle, 127 - stop the whole group!".
Amazingly enough, when the officers stepped out, the entire group of
squidly crotch-rocket riding youngsters stopped! I'm not sure, but if
I'm going 127 and the officer is sitting, he's never going to catch
up. They riders were pretty good about the whole incidet, and the
officers wrote them for "speed greater than reasonable", since they
didn't have a clock on every bike, only the leader.
War story mode off!
Scottq
|_______________________________________|
|The highway’s jammed with broken heroes|
|On a last chance power drive |
|Everybody’s out on the run tonight |
|---------------------------------------|
|Scottq - (carn...@fast.net_remove_) |
|'94 Shadow VLX600 |
|_______________________________________|
mrdancer
Sa Quillen <carn...@fast.net> wrote in message
news:38e749f6...@news.fast.net...
> Laser is a different issue - with traffic laser (or LIDAR), the
> officer actually selects the target by aiming the gun at the license
> plate, headlight, any reflective surface.
Saw an article in Motor Trend (or was it Car&Driver?) a few years ago about
how large amounts of (infrared?) light will temporarily confuse laser. The
author of the story used high-intensity driving lights with filters (so only
the IR light got thru - lights looked like they were off) in conjunction
with high-beams and a laser detector, and was usually able to slow down
before the LASER operator could get a reliable reading on him.
> Second Story. I'm sure many of you have seen officer running traffic
> by having 1 officer on an overpass using LIDAR (or RADAR or VASCAR)
> and calling out speeds to a group of officers who will then flag and
> ticket the offenders. I was working our data channel one afternoon,
I hope you guys spent at least as much time seeking out dangerous drivers as
you did casual speeders. Granted, speed can kill, but it's dangerous
drivers who cause way more accidents.
Dan Nitschke
>
> I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle
> and that's why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops.
> Is this true?
That's odd -- I see bikes pulled over by cops all the
time. Just last week I saw a ZX-9R pulled over by a
CHiP on I-280 in San Jose.
I musta been dreaming, right?
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Demetrios
wrote:
>When I was a green diapatcher, another agency in our area tried to
>stop 2 m/c's for speeding on the Monday of Labor Day weekend. One
>stopped and the other fled. The agency called us, and we broadcast
>the description. One of our officers saw the M/C and gave chase. At
>the time of the chase, the M/C was moving in super heavy traffic, up
snip
Lesson? Never look back on bad judgement calls. ;) Just keep the
throttle pinned.
>Second Story. I'm sure many of you have seen officer running traffic
>by having 1 officer on an overpass using LIDAR (or RADAR or VASCAR)
>and calling out speeds to a group of officers who will then flag and
>ticket the offenders. I was working our data channel one afternoon,
snip
Leeson? Always carry a police scanner. You can hear them sqauaking
long before you pull into their range.
Rick M
I think that Laser counter-measures are legal, since the FCC can't regulate
Light waves like they do Radar waves. But I'm sure that if Laser becomes the
Speed detection of choice, there will be law.........
"mrdancer" <mrdanceratcamalottdotcom> wrote in message
news:8c7lm...@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> Sa Quillen <carn...@fast.net> wrote in message
> news:38e749f6...@news.fast.net...
> > Laser is a different issue - with traffic laser (or LIDAR), the
> > officer actually selects the target by aiming the gun at the license
> > plate, headlight, any reflective surface.
>
> Saw an article in Motor Trend (or was it Car&Driver?) a few years ago
about
> how large amounts of (infrared?) light will temporarily confuse laser.
The
> author of the story used high-intensity driving lights with filters (so
only
> the IR light got thru - lights looked like they were off) in conjunction
> with high-beams and a laser detector, and was usually able to slow down
> before the LASER operator could get a reliable reading on him.
>
> > Second Story. I'm sure many of you have seen officer running traffic
> > by having 1 officer on an overpass using LIDAR (or RADAR or VASCAR)
> > and calling out speeds to a group of officers who will then flag and
> > ticket the offenders. I was working our data channel one afternoon,
>
Sa Quillen
<mrdanceratcamalottdotcom> had this to say:
>Saw an article in Motor Trend (or was it Car&Driver?) a few years ago about
>how large amounts of (infrared?) light will temporarily confuse laser. The
>author of the story used high-intensity driving lights with filters (so only
>the IR light got thru - lights looked like they were off) in conjunction
>with high-beams and a laser detector, and was usually able to slow down
>before the LASER operator could get a reliable reading on him.
Not sure about this. I do know that LIDAR detectors aren't that
useful, as the beam is so tight. By the time it goes off, you've been
tagged. I have seen filters that you can put over your front license
plate that will scatter the laser rather then return it. I believe
these are being outlawed in some states.
>> Second Story. I'm sure many of you have seen officer running traffic
>> by having 1 officer on an overpass using LIDAR (or RADAR or VASCAR)
>> and calling out speeds to a group of officers who will then flag and
>> ticket the offenders. I was working our data channel one afternoon,
>
>I hope you guys spent at least as much time seeking out dangerous drivers as
>you did casual speeders. Granted, speed can kill, but it's dangerous
>drivers who cause way more accidents.
Actually this is an activity that only takes place on slow 'work'
days. In the area where I dispatched, we were the primary police
agency (no County Police or Sheriffs) so it would need to be a slow
day for the officers to set up.
In my experience, Law Enforcement goes through cycles of hot issues.
When I first started (10 years ago) the big issue was DUI. Lots and
lots of federal money for OT, in-car cameras, etc. Then it was
community policing, then Domestic Violence, now it seems to be
agressive drivers. (tm). Not that we ignore the 'old' issues when the
new ones come out, they just get less attention. Law Enforcement by
popular opinion - whatever the public (read politicians) feel is
important gets a lot of attention.
Sa Quillen
say:
>Lesson? Never look back on bad judgement calls. ;) Just keep the
>throttle pinned.
You didn't hear this from me, but policy pretty much forbids M/C
pursuits except under extreme circumstances these days anyway. Too
much risk.
>>Second Story. I'm sure many of you have seen officer running traffic
>>by having 1 officer on an overpass using LIDAR (or RADAR or VASCAR)
>>and calling out speeds to a group of officers who will then flag and
>>ticket the offenders. I was working our data channel one afternoon,
>snip
>
>Leeson? Always carry a police scanner. You can hear them sqauaking
>long before you pull into their range.
Not in my state, not anymore. Millions and millions of dollars on a
digitally-trunked, encrypted 800mhz radio system has rendered scanners
obsolete. (until someone figures out the trunking and encryption
algorithems. (sp?).
Jen Hogsett
gauging ?
mike
"Mr. Fun" wrote:
> When he showed you how to use it did he tell you what it's called?
> It's either Laser or it's Radar, I don't think there is any such thing
> as "laser radar". The photo show's Laser but the caption says Radar.
>
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:12:19 -0500, "Ken M." <pobo...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
> >x-no-archive:yes
> >
> >Lenny Stover wrote:
> >>
> >> Fred Evans, III wrote in message <38E68D05...@nospam.com>...
> >> >I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> >> >that's
> >> >why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
> >>
> >> Absolutely not!
> >
> >Here is a photo of a Montgomery County officer using laser radar.
> >He showed me how to use it, and yes, things show up very clear
> >at great distances!
> >
> >I took this photo a few days ago:
> >
> >http://www.zyworld.com/digitalphoto/test.htm
> >
> >(ken)
vince garcia
>
> You have never been around here. Not only am I a motor unit, but I stop
> lots of motorcycles.
>
> > that's
> > why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
> >
ah--as an officer, perhaps you can comment on a subject that came up a
few days ago (if you did i missed it)
As you undoubtedly know, often the sensors at some stop lights will not
detect a motorcycle. Say a guy is on the road in the early morning and
is stuck alone at a light that won't change. Can he treat it as a
malfunctioning light and go through as if it were a stop sign?
v
Sa Quillen
<jen...@hogx.csl.sri.com> had this to say:
>Is it not conceivable that laser would be for targeting and radar for
>gauging ?
>
No. Both units are expensive - why have 2 in the same car? Laser is
more accurate than radar. Why bother switching off from one to
another in mid-clock? Why have laser targeting on a radar unit when
laser all by itself is a better tool for checking speed?
Think of it this way. You have 2 computers. Are you going to read
mail on one and send mail on another?
Michael Zarlenga
: Is it not conceivable that laser would be for targeting and radar for
: gauging ?
It's not inconceivable, just impractical. Why use two systems when
only one is needed for the job?
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Gun control: The belief that women would be better off just
lying back, closing their eyes and trying to enjoy it.
Sa Quillen
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> had this to say:
>It's not inconceivable, just impractical. Why use two systems when
>only one is needed for the job?
"Inconceivable!"
"You keep using that word. I do not think that it means what you
think that it means"
Inigo Montoya
(Too much Princess Bride)
Scottq
Lenny Stover
NZMSC wrote in message <9547163...@shelley.paradise.net.nz>...
>Ruger45 wrote
>>You have never been around here. Not only am I a motor unit, but I stop
>>lots of motorcycles.
>
>
>Why do I sense some mechanical lack of feeling here....? <G>
Would you prefer "wheel man?" :-)
Lenny Stover
Lenny Stover wrote in message ...
>>that's
>>why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
>
Hey, since this is cross-posted to rec.motorcycles, can I ask you folks a
couple of questions?
1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650) with
2500 actual miles
2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with 3000
actual miles
Your replies would be appreciated.
Some Guy on a Bike
> Hey, since this is cross-posted to rec.motorcycles, can I ask you folks a
> couple of questions?
Sure.
> 1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650) with
> 2500 actual miles
A new one is, what, about $7k out the door? I would think that a nice
used one like that should probably bring about $6500 cash, if you wait a
while for the right buyer. Dunno what the book value is.
> 2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with 3000
> actual miles
I guess that depends on the buyer. I'd think that would probably fetch
$3-4k from what I know, though.
Jimmy Smith
> that's
> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
Radar can detect you. I know it for a fact because I got pulled over by a
state trooper and he told me exactly how fast I was going as he handed me a
ticket. I felt like shit because this girl I loved just dumped me for some
other guy and I was doing blasts up and down the highway to feel better.
Then I get pulled over by this cop with radar. He probably saved my life.
>
> Fred
Jimmy Smith
Fred Evans, III <ev...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:38E68D05...@nospam.com...
> I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> that's
> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
Incidently, I was taking my Honda 1975 750 Sport up to 130 MPH by laying
down on the tank. As I'd sit up, the bike would slow by about 5 MPH. When
the cop spotted me I was coming down from one of these blasts and he nailed
me with radar doing about 80 MPH. I guess most people do something stupid
in their lives, this was my scene and fortunately it ended with me in one
piece.
>
> Fred
jhu...@icx.net
>1. Police radar and laser *can* detect motorcycles. Radar will reflect
>off any metallic surface such as a radiator, oil cooler, license plate
>or headlight.
And apparently, the back of an Aerostich at a few minutes past
midnight.
>2. Motorcycle do get pulled over by cops. I saw one just the other day.
So did I. I was on it. 76 in a 55 costs $122 plus whatever my
insurance company does when they find out. Think of it as a
"performance award".
--
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I like long walks, especially when they are taken
by people who annoy me.
NZMSC
>You have never been around here. Not only am I a motor unit, but I stop
>lots of motorcycles.
A *motor unit*?!!!
Why do I sense some mechanical lack of feeling here....? <G>
Allan Kirk
New Zealand Motorcycle Safety Consultants
Website: http://www.megarider.com
michael...@my-deja.com
You never see any bikes pulled over becuase bikes dont pull over and cops dont
usually chase them when they take off.
but a radar or laser gun can measure the speed of a car, baseball, tennis
ball, and yes.... even a motorcycle.
its physics... not magic
In article <38E68D05...@nospam.com>,
"Fred Evans, III" <ev...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> that's
> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
>
> Fred
>
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"Mr. Fun" wrote:
> When he showed you how to use it did he tell you what it's called?
> It's either Laser or it's Radar, I don't think there is any such thing
> as "laser radar". The photo show's Laser but the caption says Radar.
>
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:12:19 -0500, "Ken M." <pobo...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
> >x-no-archive:yes
> >
> >Lenny Stover wrote:
> >>
> >> Fred Evans, III wrote in message <38E68D05...@nospam.com>...
> >> >I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> >> >that's
> >> >why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
> >>
NZMSC
Allan wrote:
>>A *motor unit*?!!!
>>
>>Why do I sense some mechanical lack of feeling here....?
Gary L. Burnore wrote
>... it was a hunting accident. We can rebuild him. We have the tool.
Metric or imperial? <G>
Gil Jones
Hello Lenny:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:28:07 -0500, "Lenny Stover"
<lst...@westerncom.net> wrote:
>
>Lenny Stover wrote in message ...
>>
>>Fred Evans, III wrote in message <38E68D05...@nospam.com>...
>>>I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
>>>that's
>>>why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
>>
>>Absolutely not!
>
>Hey, since this is cross-posted to rec.motorcycles, can I ask you folks a
>couple of questions?
>
>1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650) with
>2500 actual miles
No clue -
(Although I understand that Honda has a new
method of deterring theft on their new bikes -
They are printing the name HONDA larger - - - It's a joke)
>2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with 3000
>actual miles
I am trading in a '96 1200 sportster this week.
The dealer is offering $8,900 for the bike.
(It's the wife's bike - she is getting a 2000 FXDL)
The price varies a great deal depending upon your location.
But - near to $4,000 should be a good price
in most markets.
Also - just check the local Harley dealer -
the store should have sportsters on the floor.
If so - you have a number -
None on the floor - then you have a good
market and the price should be higher.
Make the bike clean and shiney
Make darn sure no oil leakes from the transmission
and the cylinders are clean,. (Use a tooth brush)
= = =
BUT - Why do you have a 85 Sportster with only 3K miles?
My wife's 96 has got 10K+ and my '98 Bagger has got near that also.
Don't you ride? [ Please - no insult intended ]
(Thats a shame - - to have a good bike and not put the miles
under it - you have not enjoyed it)
>Your replies would be appreciated.
Best regards
Gil
Demetrios
wrote:
>That's odd -- I see bikes pulled over by cops all the
>time. Just last week I saw a ZX-9R pulled over by a
>CHiP on I-280 in San Jose.
>
>I musta been dreaming, right?
Nope just wittnessing an honest citizen being ticketed. Anyone can
pull away from the police and most municipalities frown on pursuits
for speeding motorcycles due to the absurdly high speeds necessary to
catch them. It's one thing to nab that vega thats riding on three rims
already at 90mph and something entirely different when a 149mph
Hayabusa is involved. Police cruisers aren't typically set up for that
sort of thing. Then again they always have air support in the larger
cities so nyah!
Demetrios
wrote:
>Not in my state, not anymore. Millions and millions of dollars on a
>digitally-trunked, encrypted 800mhz radio system has rendered scanners
>obsolete. (until someone figures out the trunking and encryption
>algorithems. (sp?).
That's cos you live outside of the center of the universe [1] where
things such as law enforcment infrastructure is considered a good
thing to spend taxes on. In my municipality they're still sqwaking on
analog.
[1] New York City
Michael Zarlenga
Until the driver ducks into a parking garage in that larger city,
goes shopping for an hour then comes back to either drive home or
report his bike stolen (towed).
John F Carr
Rick M <rickm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I think that Laser counter-measures are legal, since the FCC can't regulate
>Light waves like they do Radar waves. But I'm sure that if Laser becomes the
>Speed detection of choice, there will be law.........
The anti-jammer laws already ban anti-laser devices, except for the
Oklahoma law which is still radar-only.
See http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/laws.html#radar
--
John Carr (j...@mit.edu)
John F Carr
Sa Quillen <carn...@fast.net> wrote:
>Not in my state, not anymore. Millions and millions of dollars on a
>digitally-trunked, encrypted 800mhz radio system has rendered scanners
>obsolete. (until someone figures out the trunking and encryption
>algorithems. (sp?).
A program is (was?) available on the internet to decode digital
police radio.
--
John Carr (j...@mit.edu)
Jacob Andersen
news:seg3oi...@corp.supernews.com...
> 1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650)
with
> 2500 actual miles
>
3000
> actual miles
3rd: What... Is the capital of Assyria?
/J
cbr600f4
>No and no.
>1. Police radar and laser *can* detect motorcycles. Radar will reflect
>off any metallic surface such as a radiator, oil cooler, license plate
>license plate or headlight.
>2. Motorcycle do get pulled over by cops. I saw one just the other day.
>know that all bikers who are chased by cops are unskilled hooligans and
>they all get caught; many get beaten up or injured. But that's a
>separate thread.)
Radar will reflect off ANY surface unless it is coated in radar
absorption materials. A surface that is flat and presents itself at a
right angle to the radar will be much more visible but it doesn't have
to be perfect in either respect. You are correct about the laser
though.
Chris (H-Man) Pyle
'99 CBR600 F4
"The ravings expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the
feelings of my brain."
Chris (H-Man) Pyle
'99 CBR600 F4
"The ravings expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the feelings of my brain."
Onethumb
4th: What... is the air speed velocity of a swallow in flight?
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then on the other side you have Charlton Heston."
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Nate Birkholz
>
> Jacob Andersen wrote:
> >
> > "Lenny Stover" <lst...@westerncom.net> wrote in message
> > news:seg3oi...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > 1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650)
> > with
> > > 2500 actual miles
> > >
> > > 2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with
> > 3000
> > > actual miles
> >
> > 3rd: What... Is the capital of Assyria?
> >
> > /J
>
> 4th: What... is the air speed velocity of a swallow in flight?
>
What? An African Swallow or a European Swallow?
Michael Zarlenga
: Fred Evans, III <ev...@nospam.com> wrote in message
: news:38E68D05...@nospam.com...
:> I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
:> that's
:> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
: Incidently, I was taking my Honda 1975 750 Sport up to 130 MPH by laying
: down on the tank. As I'd sit up, the bike would slow by about 5 MPH. When
: the cop spotted me I was coming down from one of these blasts and he nailed
: me with radar doing about 80 MPH. I guess most people do something stupid
: in their lives, this was my scene and fortunately it ended with me in one
: piece.
Been there, done that, but with a RI cop on the other bike.
We never saw the MA Statie until the blues came on behind us.
He yanked the two of us over well in excess of the speed limit.
A few minutes later, we were on our way again with no ticket or
warning, just an admonition to slow down. It's amazing what kind
of "discretion" a badge will get you on a traffic stop.
A badge is almost always a license to speed, as long as you don't
kill anyone or act like a complete jerk when yanked over.
Dan Nitschke
>
> Onethumb wrote:
> >
> > 4th: What... is the air speed velocity of a swallow in flight?
> >
>
> What? An African Swallow or a European Swallow?
I'm sorry, but that's a *clear* 306b.
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czoyk...@my-deja.com
the subject of the thread? I know, it's a free
country, but let's try just a little to keep
posts on the subject, so I don't have
to plow through 50 just to find one with
something interesting to say about motorcycles
or riding.
Now, can radar detect motorcycles: I'd say
yes, if it can detect a pitched baseball, it
shouldn't have too much trouble determining
the speed of a motorcycle. The real question
is, is my new VFR750 faster than a Roger Clemens
fastball...ha-ha!
In article <38E901B5...@best.com>,
Nate Birkholz
>
> Nate Birkholz wrote:
> >
> > Onethumb wrote:
> > >
> > > 4th: What... is the air speed velocity of a swallow in flight?
> > >
> >
> > What? An African Swallow or a European Swallow?
>
> I'm sorry, but that's a *clear* 306b.
> --
>
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> And we'll bask in the shadow of yesterday's triumph,
> and sail on the steel breeze... -- Pink Floyd
Hmm, what if I'm not British?
Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan Nitschke wrote:
> >
> > Nate Birkholz wrote:
> > >
> > > What? An African Swallow or a European Swallow?
> >
> > I'm sorry, but that's a *clear* 306b.
>
We'll make an exception this time, since the British
are so rarely exceptional.
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Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan, do your posts ever have anything to do with
> the subject of the thread?
Occasionally.
> I know, it's a free
> country,
And I'm a free spirit.
> but let's try just a little to keep
> posts on the subject,
In rec.moto? NAHAY (tm)?
> so I don't have
> to plow through 50 just to find one with
> something interesting to say about motorcycles
> or riding.
If that's what you're after, killfile me. Problem
solved.
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Sa Quillen
say:
>>Not in my state, not anymore. Millions and millions of dollars on a
>>digitally-trunked, encrypted 800mhz radio system has rendered scanners
>>obsolete. (until someone figures out the trunking and encryption
>>algorithems. (sp?).
>
>A program is (was?) available on the internet to decode digital
>police radio.
I would be very interested to see the program that can track all 80 of
our frequencies, piece together sensible conversations that take place
on a random channel each time you key up. Not to mention that all 200
talk groups share the same frequency. The frequency that I was
talking on 2 seconds ago is now being talked on by a DOT truck.
Plus manage to decrypt our audio on the fly.
If anyone knows where it is, let me know...
Scottq
|_______________________________________|
|The highway’s jammed with broken heroes|
|On a last chance power drive |
|Everybody’s out on the run tonight |
|---------------------------------------|
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|'94 Shadow VLX600 |
|_______________________________________|
Sa Quillen
say:
>>Not in my state, not anymore. Millions and millions of dollars on a
>>digitally-trunked, encrypted 800mhz radio system has rendered scanners
>>obsolete. (until someone figures out the trunking and encryption
>>algorithems. (sp?).
>
>That's cos you live outside of the center of the universe [1] where
>things such as law enforcment infrastructure is considered a good
>thing to spend taxes on. In my municipality they're still sqwaking on
>analog.
There are many people who want to jump back to analog. Seems that our
contractor (I won't name names, but it begins with Moto and ends with
rola) never bothered to figure hills into our coverage plan. I think
we're up to 7 tower sites above and beyond the original spec.
NYC? Have you got one of the neat-o Paradigm4 2-way pager terminals?
Warlock
Hi there - how does the scanner idea work? doesn't it just constantly
broadcast?
-->Warlock
>
>Lesson? Never look back on bad judgement calls. ;) Just keep the
>throttle pinned.
>
>Leeson? Always carry a police scanner. You can hear them sqauaking
>long before you pull into their range.
--->WARLOCK
KZRider
"Jacob Andersen" <jand...@FOOsoftronic.se> wrote in message
news:8ca9pp$78j$1...@cubacola.tninet.se...
> "Lenny Stover" <lst...@westerncom.net> wrote in message
> news:seg3oi...@corp.supernews.com...
> > 1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650)
> with
> > 2500 actual miles
> >
> > 2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with
> 3000
> > actual miles
>
> 3rd: What... Is the capital of Assyria?
>
>
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http://www.kzrider.com
The heck with those other guys,
elect ME President!
Some Guy on a Bike
>>> 4th: What... is the air speed velocity of a swallow in flight?
Unladen swallow, actually.
>> What? An African Swallow or a European Swallow?
> I'm sorry, but that's a *clear* 306b.
All right, but does she swallow?
I'll just get my coat, then...
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Some Guy on a Bike
> Dan, do your posts ever have anything to do with
> the subject of the thread? I know, it's a free
> country, but let's try just a little to keep
> posts on the subject, so I don't have
> to plow through 50 just to find one with
> something interesting to say about motorcycles
> or riding.
NAHAY? (tm)
Lenny Stover
Hi Gil,
>>1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650)
with
>>2500 actual miles
>No clue -
>(Although I understand that Honda has a new
>method of deterring theft on their new bikes -
>They are printing the name HONDA larger - - - It's a joke)
Ouch! And to think, I rode a FXRP at work, and a rice burner to and from
work. That hurts! <hehe>
>>2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with
3000
>>actual miles
>
>The price varies a great deal depending upon your location.
>
>But - near to $4,000 should be a good price
>in most markets.
>= = =
>BUT - Why do you have a 85 Sportster with only 3K miles?
I don't. I am thinking about buying it. :-)
Lenny Stover
Chris Geary wrote in message <38e939d7...@news.uswest.net>...
>seriously, checkout www.traderonline.com there are
>links to Kelly Blue Book there, but even better are the
>actual ads themselves. you can get an idea of what the
>things are actually going for. (or what people are
>asking for them anyway....)
Thanks for the link, Chris...I appreciate it.
Sa Quillen
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> had this to say:
>A badge is almost always a license to speed, as long as you don't
>kill anyone or act like a complete jerk when yanked over.
Don't try that down south.. (southern VA, NC, SC, etc.) Cops down
there don't seem to feel there's anything to 'professional courtesy".
Chris Geary
of us and spake thusly:
!
>
>Hey, since this is cross-posted to rec.motorcycles, can I ask you folks a
>couple of questions?
>
>2500 actual miles
laden or unladen?
>
>2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with 3000
>actual miles
blue!
seriously, checkout www.traderonline.com there are
links to Kelly Blue Book there, but even better are the
actual ads themselves. you can get an idea of what the
things are actually going for. (or what people are
asking for them anyway....)
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Sorry to disappoint, but
I am NOT nor have i EVER been
an entrant in the Mr. Gay UK contest
Sa Quillen
had this to say:
>> I would be very interested to see the program that can track all 80 of
>> our frequencies, piece together sensible conversations that take place
>> on a random channel each time you key up. Not to mention that all 200
>> talk groups share the same frequency. The frequency that I was
>> talking on 2 seconds ago is now being talked on by a DOT truck.
>>
>> Plus manage to decrypt our audio on the fly.
>
>Go to <rec.radio.scanner> and ask your question. You would be surprised
>what is available to the general public now.
Spoke too soon. I had no sooner posted the message then I decided I'd
better look around before I started mouthing off. (hindsight)
(bygones). I was able to locate software that would follow the
digital trunk, however it would require custom hardware to build. I
don't doubt that a circuit-head could put one together, but the
concern is the common criminal.
However- it won't (there's no mechanisim) to break the encryption, so
while someone might follow a stream, they're still not going to listen
in.
>Is your system digital?
Yes.
>Some of the early trunked 800 systems were designed for "efficiency" not
>"privacy" and many get confused about this.
No - the system is less than 2 years old, and security was one of the
highest priorities when it was designed.
How far off topic are we?
Rick Damiani
>Onethumb wrote:
>>
>> Jacob Andersen wrote:
>> >
>> > "Lenny Stover" <lst...@westerncom.net> wrote in message
>> > news:seg3oi...@corp.supernews.com...
>> > > 1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650)
>> > with
>> > > 2500 actual miles
>> > >
>> > > 2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with
>> > 3000
>> > > actual miles
>> >
>> > 3rd: What... Is the capital of Assyria?
>> >
>> > /J
>>
>> 4th: What... is the air speed velocity of a swallow in flight?
>>
>
>What? An African Swallow or a European Swallow?
Laden or unladen?
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Nate Birkholz
>
> Dan, do your posts ever have anything to do with
> the subject of the thread? I know, it's a free
> country, but let's try just a little to keep
> posts on the subject, so I don't have
> to plow through 50 just to find one with
> something interesting to say about motorcycles
> or riding.
>
Would you people stop trying to talk about motorcycles here? Jeez, if I
wanted to talk about motorcycles I'd subscribe to rec.firearms or
alt.legal.culpability.alcohol.
Onethumb
> If anyone knows where it is, let me know...
> Scottq
I can provide at least one source: NSA
Onethumb
> while someone might follow a stream, they're still not going to listen
> in.
Nevere say never. I can assure you that if it can be encrypted it can be
decrypted. AND that the mechanism was in place as soon as the tech was
affordable to the local departments. See previous references to NSA. Other
alphabet agencies can be added as desired.
Nate Birkholz
>
> Nate Birkholz <birk...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> >Onethumb wrote:
> >>
> >> Jacob Andersen wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Lenny Stover" <lst...@westerncom.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:seg3oi...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > > 1st....what is the approx. value of a 1999 Yamaha V-Star Classic (650)
> >> > with
> >> > > 2500 actual miles
> >> > >
> >> > > 2nd...what is the approx. value of a 1985 Harley Sporster (1100), with
> >> > 3000
> >> > > actual miles
> >> >
> >> > 3rd: What... Is the capital of Assyria?
> >> >
> >> > /J
> >>
> >> 4th: What... is the air speed velocity of a swallow in flight?
> >>
> >
> >What? An African Swallow or a European Swallow?
>
> Laden or unladen?
>
I...I don't know! <AIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHH>
Sa Quillen
this to say:
>> However- it won't (there's no mechanisim) to break the encryption, so
>> while someone might follow a stream, they're still not going to listen
>> in.
>> Scottq
>
>Nevere say never. I can assure you that if it can be encrypted it can be
>decrypted. AND that the mechanism was in place as soon as the tech was
>affordable to the local departments. See previous references to NSA. Other
>alphabet agencies can be added as desired.
Oh no, not never, I'm not that naieve. Just not now, nonwithstanding
the alphabet agencies. I'm thinking about Bubba the accident-chaser.
Brian McLaughlin
Quillen) wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 09:32:44 -0500, "mrdancer"
> <mrdanceratcamalottdotcom> had this to say:
>
> >Saw an article in Motor Trend (or was it Car&Driver?) a few years ago about
> >how large amounts of (infrared?) light will temporarily confuse laser. The
> >author of the story used high-intensity driving lights with filters (so only
> >the IR light got thru - lights looked like they were off) in conjunction
> >with high-beams and a laser detector, and was usually able to slow down
> >before the LASER operator could get a reliable reading on him.
>
> Not sure about this. I do know that LIDAR detectors aren't that
> useful, as the beam is so tight. By the time it goes off, you've been
> tagged. I have seen filters that you can put over your front license
> plate that will scatter the laser rather then return it. I believe
> these are being outlawed in some states.
Beam is not very tight, something like 2 or 3 meters at 1000m. The beam
is scanned, otherwise you could not shine an invisible laser at people.
When aiming at the front plate, plenty of radiation passes beneath the vehicle.
Lidar detector has worked for me on at least 4 occations.
--
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R1100RT (1997) 4 strokes choke
EX250 Ninja (1998)
Brian McLaughlin
<ab...@epix.net> wrote:
> lasar - radar
> light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
>
Light and sound?
Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
Brian McLaughlin
<for...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >No and no.
> >
> >1. Police radar and laser *can* detect motorcycles. Radar will reflect
> >off any metallic surface such as a radiator, oil cooler, license plate
> >or headlight. Laser will refpect off any reflective surface, such as
> >license plate or headlight.
> >
> >2. Motorcycle do get pulled over by cops. I saw one just the other day.
> >(And if you watch "Cops" or "The World's Scariest Poilice Chases" you'll
> >know that all bikers who are chased by cops are unskilled hooligans and
> >they all get caught; many get beaten up or injured. But that's a
> >separate thread.)
>
> Radar will reflect off ANY surface unless it is coated in radar
> absorption materials. A surface that is flat and presents itself at a
> right angle to the radar will be much more visible but it doesn't have
> to be perfect in either respect. You are correct about the laser
> though.
Not true. Just as there are certain materials that are clear to visible light,
there are materials that are "clear" to radar. Some plastics and fiberglasses
are poor reflectors of radar.
ann and dan holland
Brian McLaughlin wrote:
> In article <38E7F758...@epix.net>, ann and dan holland
> <ab...@epix.net> wrote:
>
> > lasar - radar
> > light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
> >
> Light and sound?
>
> Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
> Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
>
Michael Zarlenga
:> > lasar - radar
:> > light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
:> Light and sound?
:> Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
:> Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
: Sorry brain fart I realize RF energy my bad.
Your opponent brain farted, as well, implying that EM
is light. That's not always true.
While light is always EM, EM is not always light.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
ann and dan holland
Dances with Poultry
>Look for Shield of Invisibilty in all good shops soon!!!!
PAH!
Using the latest in gene splicing technology I've developed a mold with some
startling properties. Once infes...er...injested and given as little as 15
minutes my mold will render any individual and his motorcycle invisible *and*
radar stealthy. I can't go into why here, I have my trade secrets y'know.
As a bonus the mold has a flavor very similar to garlic. Using my considerable
culinary skills I've developed a delightfully tangy spaghetti sauce using my
invisibility mold. It is with great pleasure that I may now introduce to the
world my new Deepers Own Invisibility Spaghetti Sauce. My invisibility sauce is
not available in stores. Summit to do with some srew ball health code nazis.
Write to me personally for details. I can ship anywhere in the world. I'll
have your invisibility sauce brought to you by one of our invisible delivery
people within minutes. Just look for the invisible truck with Deepers Own
Invisibility Sauce(tm) logo.
Ask for it by name. Remember, Deepers Own Invisibility Sauce.
--
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Onethumb
I saw the rack they were supposed to be on just the other day. However I
didn't see any products. Either they were sold out already or that stuff
works exceptionally well.
cbr600f4
>Not true. Just as there are certain materials that are clear to visible light,
>there are materials that are "clear" to radar. Some plastics and fiberglasses
>are poor reflectors of radar.
Possibly true, I'll have to look into that. Friend of mine has been
in the air force for many years so I'll ask him. BUT, I can assure
you that bikes don't have any Non-Reflective materials when it comes
to radar.
Chris (H-Man) Pyle
'99 CBR600 F4
"The ravings expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the
feelings of my brain."
cbr600f4
>My researchers have benefited from access to secret Government reseach
>sites such as Area 50 (that's the very, very secret alien holding
>area) in America.
>
Don't you mean Area 51? And I already have the patent on it ;-)
I'll sue you like a Gates if you go public with it!!! :-) KAAM!
Brian McLaughlin
Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
> In alt.law-enforcement ann and dan holland <ab...@epix.net> wrote:
> :> > lasar - radar
> :> > light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
>
> :> Light and sound?
> :> Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
> :> Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
>
> : Sorry brain fart I realize RF energy my bad.
>
> Your opponent brain farted, as well, implying that EM
> is light. That's not always true.
>
> While light is always EM, EM is not always light.
I am a physicist. In physics EM and light are often used interchangeably.
If we mean visible light, we say visible light. I have been through this with
engineers before. I have several optics books that use EMR and light
interchageably (Fundamentals of Optics, Jenkins and White for example).
Onethumb
>
> >My researchers have benefited from access to secret Government reseach
> >sites such as Area 50 (that's the very, very secret alien holding
> >area) in America.
> >
> Don't you mean Area 51? And I already have the patent on it ;-)
> I'll sue you like a Gates if you go public with it!!! :-) KAAM!
>
> Chris (H-Man) Pyle
Area 51? HA! That place is too well known for this project. Area 50 is so
secret even the people who work there can't figure out how to get there to
clock in.
cbr600f4
>Area 51? HA! That place is too well known for this project. Area 50 is so
>secret even the people who work there can't figure out how to get there to
>clock in.
Guess I won't have any problem beating you to market then huh? My
employee's (all Playboy Bunnies and Penthouse Pets) find there way to
work everyday. Now explaining to them what they are supposed to do
everyday usually ends up with lots of sore ears and bruised shoulders
but they get a lot done in the last couple of hours or so of work :-)
Timberwoof
<AF8493CFE1251449.C9B3FC44...@lp.airnews.net>,
Onethumb <bow...@airmail.net> wrote:
> cbr600f4 wrote:
> >
> > >My researchers have benefited from access to secret Government reseach
> > >sites such as Area 50 (that's the very, very secret alien holding
> > >area) in America.
> > >
> > Don't you mean Area 51? And I already have the patent on it ;-)
> > I'll sue you like a Gates if you go public with it!!! :-) KAAM!
> >
> > Chris (H-Man) Pyle
>
> Area 51? HA! That place is too well known for this project. Area 50 is
> so
> secret even the people who work there can't figure out how to get there
> to
> clock in.
Okay, you're fired. You've been warned not to speak of Area 50 in
public!
--
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Not your *ordinary* noncomformist.
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Timberwoof
(Brian McLaughlin) wrote:
> In article <N0GG4.8482$096.1...@news-west.usenetserver.com>, Michael
> Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>
> > In alt.law-enforcement ann and dan holland <ab...@epix.net> wrote:
> > :> > lasar - radar
> > :> > light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
> >
> > :> Light and sound?
> > :> Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
> > :> Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
> >
> > : Sorry brain fart I realize RF energy my bad.
> >
> > Your opponent brain farted, as well, implying that EM
> > is light. That's not always true.
> >
> > While light is always EM, EM is not always light.
>
> I am a physicist. In physics EM and light are often used interchangeably.
> If we mean visible light, we say visible light. I have been through this
> with
> engineers before. I have several optics books that use EMR and light
> interchageably (Fundamentals of Optics, Jenkins and White for example).
Actually, EM can be very heavy. My brother is a ham radio operator. He
once built a 5kW linear amplifier for his EM transmitter, and I could
not lift it. }: )
Michael Zarlenga
: In article <N0GG4.8482$096.1...@news-west.usenetserver.com>, Michael
: Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
:> In alt.law-enforcement ann and dan holland <ab...@epix.net> wrote:
:> :> > lasar - radar
:> :> > light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
:>
:> :> Light and sound?
:> :> Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
:> :> Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
:>
:> : Sorry brain fart I realize RF energy my bad.
:>
:> Your opponent brain farted, as well, implying that EM
:> is light. That's not always true.
:>
:> While light is always EM, EM is not always light.
: I am a physicist. In physics EM and light are often used interchangeably.
: If we mean visible light, we say visible light. I have been through this with
: engineers before. I have several optics books that use EMR and light
: interchageably (Fundamentals of Optics, Jenkins and White for example).
Physics I & II, Halliday and Resnick, Chapter 40, page
993 : "Light was shown by Maxwell to be a component of
the electromagnetic spectrum ..."
A *component* of the EM spectrum.
Now, please cite the page and text from Fundamentals of
Optics that you believe claims EM and light are inter-
changeable terms.
I can't imagine that any competent physicist would claim
that 0.1Hz VLF EMR is "light."
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
Onethumb
> > Area 51? HA! That place is too well known for this project. Area 50 is
> > so
> > secret even the people who work there can't figure out how to get there
> > to
> > clock in.
>
> Okay, you're fired. You've been warned not to speak of Area 50 in
> public!
That's cool. We all know that "Area 50" is just code for "Site 27".
(oops)
Dances with Poultry
>Timberwoof wrote:
>> > Area 51? HA! That place is too well known for this project. Area 50 is
>> > so
>> > secret even the people who work there can't figure out how to get there
>> > to
>> > clock in.
>>
>> Okay, you're fired. You've been warned not to speak of Area 50 in
>> public!
Right, it's nearly as secret as Area 49.
>That's cool. We all know that "Area 50" is just code for "Site 27".
>
>(oops)
<BANG!>
--
DwP, Remove hat and pray
Brian McLaughlin
<for...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Not true. Just as there are certain materials that are clear to visible
light,
> >there are materials that are "clear" to radar. Some plastics and fiberglasses
> >are poor reflectors of radar.
>
> Possibly true, I'll have to look into that. Friend of mine has been
> in the air force for many years so I'll ask him. BUT, I can assure
> you that bikes don't have any Non-Reflective materials when it comes
> to radar.
The fiberglass used on corvettes transmitted radar frequencies.
I would not be surprised if radar frequencies were transmitted
through ABS. Metalic paint does affect the ability to transmit.
Really a moot point since street bikes have headlights.
A Valentine 1 goes a long way towards solving the problem.
Ruger45
Well "code" can be descrambled, but it depends on the type of code you use.
We use a "rolling code" type scrambler here, and it would be very difficult
to decrypt it. If you don't know the "key" that controls the rolling it
would take one hell of a computer and radio system to figure it out. And
once you did, they change the key at random intervals so you would be
constantly trying to find the key.
Onethumb <bow...@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:BE506FA15D1A9012.1DCA9D59...@lp.airnews.net...
> > However- it won't (there's no mechanisim) to break the encryption, so
> > while someone might follow a stream, they're still not going to listen
> > in.
> > Scottq
>
> Nevere say never. I can assure you that if it can be encrypted it can be
> decrypted. AND that the mechanism was in place as soon as the tech was
> affordable to the local departments. See previous references to NSA.
Other
> alphabet agencies can be added as desired.
>
DJ Beck
"Keith Underwood" <trfc...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20000402062012...@ng-cr1.news.cs.com...
> >I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> >> that's
> >> why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
>
> BZZZZZZT! Wrong answer Fred. Next player...
> Seriously, they are just as prone to getting stopped as any other vehicle.
> Sgt Keith Underwood
> Trfc...@cs.com
> "Enforcement for safety, NOT for revenue"
Keith Underwood
>
I used to have kids race at the park to see who went fastest. I bought the
winner ice cream. Loser got some too. 'course that was in the days before
political correctness, health nuts and lactose intolerance. Now I'd get sued if
I did something like that without the parents permission.
ann and dan holland
Brian McLaughlin wrote:
> In article <elrmesk82k0u04o6l...@4ax.com>, cbr600f4
> <for...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >Not true. Just as there are certain materials that are clear to visible
> light,
> > >there are materials that are "clear" to radar. Some plastics and fiberglasses
> > >are poor reflectors of radar.
> >
> > Possibly true, I'll have to look into that. Friend of mine has been
> > in the air force for many years so I'll ask him. BUT, I can assure
> > you that bikes don't have any Non-Reflective materials when it comes
> > to radar.
>
> The fiberglass used on corvettes transmitted radar frequencies.
> How can an insolator transmit RF
>
> I would not be surprised if radar frequencies were transmitted
> through ABS. Metalic paint does affect the ability to transmit.
> The pulse might be real low rf the signal is RF But so are gasoline engines
> Really a moot point since street bikes have headlights.
>
> A Valentine 1 goes a long way towards solving the problem.
> Reading this again I think you mean reflected yes glass will reflect
ann and dan holland
Ruger45 wrote:
> Well "code" can be descrambled, but it depends on the type of code you use.
> We use a "rolling code" type scrambler here, and it would be very difficult
> to decrypt it. If you don't know the "key" that controls the rolling it
> would take one hell of a computer and radio system to figure it out. And
> once you did, they change the key at random intervals so you would be
> constantly trying to find the key.
> C A L L T H E N. S . A.
Brian Kelly
bicycle's speed
Lenny Stover wrote:
> Fred Evans, III wrote in message <38E68D05...@nospam.com>...
> >I was told a police radar and laser cannot detect a motorcycle and
> >that's
> >why you never see any bikes pulled over by cops. Is this true?
>
> Absolutely not!
ann and dan holland
Ged Martin wrote:
> <Ged whispers to the the strangley garded group of men beside him.
> "Those two. Take them now. Dead or alive, it don't matter any more.>
>
> Hi guys, been busy????
>
> Ged
Hi again Ged.
Demetrios
wrote:
>NYC? Have you got one of the neat-o Paradigm4 2-way pager terminals?
But of course! The citizens are early adopters but the municiplaity is
on tight purse-strings as always. They do manage to squirrel up some
Harley money though for the biker cops.
Timberwoof
<ab...@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
> Brian McLaughlin wrote:
>
<snip>
ann and dan holland:
And your point is?
--
Timberwoof: BMW R1100GS rider, ice hockey goalie, Macintosh user:
ann and dan holland
DwP
Ged, you seem to have some shit on your shoe.
Onethumb
>
> In article <elrmesk82k0u04o6l...@4ax.com>, cbr600f4
> <for...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >Not true. Just as there are certain materials that are clear to visible
> light,
> > >there are materials that are "clear" to radar. Some plastics and fiberglasses
> > >are poor reflectors of radar.
> >
> > Possibly true, I'll have to look into that. Friend of mine has been
> > in the air force for many years so I'll ask him. BUT, I can assure
> > you that bikes don't have any Non-Reflective materials when it comes
> > to radar.
>
> The fiberglass used on corvettes transmitted radar frequencies.
WOW! Since when did they start installing microwave emitters in the hoods of
Vets?
> I would not be surprised if radar frequencies were transmitted
> through ABS. Metalic paint does affect the ability to transmit.
Only if they also had emitters installed.
> Really a moot point since street bikes have headlights.
Which emmit microwaves?
> A Valentine 1 goes a long way towards solving the problem.
Does it include an off switch for the fiberglass/microwave transmission
devices?
> --
> Brian McLaughlin AP #1 NGI #7 BMoZ #[classified]
--
Onethumb
[absolutely nothing]
And your point?
Brian McLaughlin
Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
> In alt.law-enforcement Brian McLaughlin <tzr...@execpc.com> wrote:
> : In article <N0GG4.8482$096.1...@news-west.usenetserver.com>, Michael
> : Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
>
> :> In alt.law-enforcement ann and dan holland <ab...@epix.net> wrote:
> :> :> > lasar - radar
> :> :> > light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
> :>
> :> :> Light and sound?
> :> :> Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
> :> :> Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
> :>
> :> : Sorry brain fart I realize RF energy my bad.
> :>
> :> Your opponent brain farted, as well, implying that EM
> :> is light. That's not always true.
> :>
> :> While light is always EM, EM is not always light.
>
> : I am a physicist. In physics EM and light are often used interchangeably.
> : If we mean visible light, we say visible light. I have been through
this with
> : engineers before. I have several optics books that use EMR and light
> : interchageably (Fundamentals of Optics, Jenkins and White for example).
>
> Physics I & II, Halliday and Resnick, Chapter 40, page
> 993 : "Light was shown by Maxwell to be a component of
> the electromagnetic spectrum ..."
>
> A *component* of the EM spectrum.
Ch 21 page 438:
"Since light is an EM radiation, we should expect that the emission of
light from any source results from the acceleration of electric charges."
The entire book is filled with such sentances. It makes no distinction
when it discusses light. It is not uncommon in physics discussions to use
the term light as a more general term.
c is called the speed of light.
> Now, please cite the page and text from Fundamentals of
> Optics that you believe claims EM and light are inter-
> changeable terms.
Chapter 20 is called the electromagnetic character of light. The
discussion in the chapter (which uses Maxwell's equations) in no limits
itself to visible light.
The entire book uses the term light without limiting its meaning to
visible light.
Using the generic term light actually aids in the teaching of the subject.
It emphasises the similarity of all EMR.
--
Brian McLaughlin AP #1 NGI #7 BMoZ #[classified]
Brian McLaughlin
<ab...@epix.net> wrote:
> Brian McLaughlin wrote:
>
> > In article <elrmesk82k0u04o6l...@4ax.com>, cbr600f4
> > <for...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >Not true. Just as there are certain materials that are clear to visible
> > light,
> > > >there are materials that are "clear" to radar. Some plastics and
fiberglasses
> > > >are poor reflectors of radar.
> > >
> > > Possibly true, I'll have to look into that. Friend of mine has been
> > > in the air force for many years so I'll ask him. BUT, I can assure
> > > you that bikes don't have any Non-Reflective materials when it comes
> > > to radar.
> >
> > The fiberglass used on corvettes transmitted radar frequencies.
> > How can an insolator transmit RF
>
> >
> > I would not be surprised if radar frequencies were transmitted
> > through ABS. Metalic paint does affect the ability to transmit.
> > The pulse might be real low rf the signal is RF But so are gasoline engines
> > Really a moot point since street bikes have headlights.
> >
> > A Valentine 1 goes a long way towards solving the problem.
> Reading this again I think you mean reflected yes glass will reflect
I recall reading an article about radar and fiberglass. Some types of
fiberglass, will allow radar radiation to pass through with very little
reflection.
Michael Zarlenga
: Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
:> In alt.law-enforcement Brian McLaughlin <tzr...@execpc.com> wrote:
:> : In article <N0GG4.8482$096.1...@news-west.usenetserver.com>, Michael
:> : Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
:>
:> :> In alt.law-enforcement ann and dan holland <ab...@epix.net> wrote:
:> :> :> > lasar - radar
:> :> :> > light and sound, Sounds like Tele - vision to me. He He
:> :>
:> :> :> Light and sound?
:> :> :> Lidar (laser) and radar both use electromagnetic radiation (light).
:> :> :> Lidar uses infrared and radar uses microwaves.
:> :>
:> :> : Sorry brain fart I realize RF energy my bad.
:> :>
:> :> Your opponent brain farted, as well, implying that EM
:> :> is light. That's not always true.
:> :>
:> :> While light is always EM, EM is not always light.
:>
:> : I am a physicist. In physics EM and light are often used interchangeably.
:> : If we mean visible light, we say visible light. I have been through
: this with
:> : engineers before. I have several optics books that use EMR and light
:> : interchageably (Fundamentals of Optics, Jenkins and White for example).
:>
:> Physics I & II, Halliday and Resnick, Chapter 40, page
:> 993 : "Light was shown by Maxwell to be a component of
:> the electromagnetic spectrum ..."
:>
:> A *component* of the EM spectrum.
: Ch 21 page 438:
: "Since light is an EM radiation, we should expect that the emission of
: light from any source results from the acceleration of electric charges."
Is that the best you can do? The quote states that light
is EMR; n oone disputes that.
Our disagreement is whether EMR is always "light."
: The entire book is filled with such sentances. It makes no distinction
: when it discusses light. It is not uncommon in physics discussions to use
: the term light as a more general term.
I have a Chevy brochure that make no clear distinction
between Chevy and GM. Does that mean that all GM cars
are Chevrolots?
: Chapter 20 is called the electromagnetic character of light. The
: discussion in the chapter (which uses Maxwell's equations) in no limits
: itself to visible light.
One again, no one is arguing that light isn't EM. We
all agree that it is. It thus follows that light has EM
properties and characteristics.
: The entire book uses the term light without limiting its meaning to
: visible light.
So what? IR isn't visible yet it's light, as is UV.
No one is claiming that all light must be visible light.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga