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Xtes-00k

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Mar 16, 2004, 11:45:38 PM3/16/04
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Marianna,

Olloi mas edw kata kanona kamnouma koutso-kouventes kathimerinws kai opos katalabeneis 

kapoios kakomiros me kaki skatologia alla me kali tuxi tha kornisti ...KINK

 

Bres kapoion Englezophono na pei ta parapano.

 

    

 

Stick to the subject, how  K in correct modern Greek is pronounce .

If any of you speak fluent, perfect and articulate Greek  attempts to read and say something in English using K, P, T (as voiced plosive) as you are use it in Greek, you will probably get from a English speaker a fine compliment of your fascinating  & cute Greek accent.

Likewise, an English speaker saying something in Greek  applies  K, P, T (unvoiced plosive) as he is  accustomed in English he will probably cause some laughter from a Greek speaker.

Now... In the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet)

K …. unvoiced plosive as in ….car, cut, crisp, kid, kiss, kin , rock, muck, ...which  K is Crisp.

   In modern Greek the only place it could found ( I am talking about the sound of  a CRISP K) is in words starting with X (Ks)  as I, Xenos,  Xerokefalos, Xypnios,  Xanthos, Xenophon, …. Xydi! with some exceptions like kokkino...

 

G ….voiced plosive as in ....get, go, give, gold, gum, ….log, rig, stag , G  is  voiced  or like a K but not crisp.

In modern Greek the K is generally  voiced plosive (k not crisp or g)  e.g… Koutamares, Kolokythia,

Kamnw, Kerdos, Kentro, Kritikos..kitrino, kommena,   with some exceptions like kokkino, Koukia …KkelletziVasif

 

In other words you will have to tell an English speaker to use G as in Get to say words with K in Greek ..so hopefully he doesn't sound he has an accent.

Tourkos ..Dourgos (d as in doo-doo) (g as in goose)  

Same,  a Greek must use a CRISP K to correctly say..Killer Kissinger

 

  Xtes-00k

 

>Sorry Agamemnona but K in Greek is NOT pronounced as G is in "get" despite
>the fact that in Cypriot Greek it is sometimes softened to sound more or
>less like a "g" -- though still not quite as soft as a "g" in English.
>
>It is more like the k in your name, Prokopetz.

Paidia min malonete. The Letter K is pronounced as K
in King...
Marianna

choro-nik

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Mar 17, 2004, 5:12:19 PM3/17/04
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Re Ksidino,
 
I never said that the pronunciation of K are exactly the same in Greek as in English. If I remember it rightly I said that the Greek K is a soft K. However, this does NOT make it a hard G as on "go get stuffed"!  ;-) I said hard G to differentiate it from the Gamma which in Greeklish is more properly transliterated as "gh" -- in other words, a soft G.
 
Obviously Aga cannot hear the difference between the English K and the Greek K sounds. If you can pronounce the English K as well as the Greek K, may I suggest that you concentrate on what happens in your throat as you utter them one after another. If anyone can hear AND voice the different Ks as well as the G sound as in "go get stuffed" , one should be able to note the different movements in the throat/larynx required to voice those sounds.
 
While it is true that Greek Cypriots, particularly the unsophisticated ones, tend to soften the Greek K so that it sounds like in "go get stuffed" [;-)], (yes, I DO mean you) this hardly makes it standard Greek pronunciation. This also applies to vernacular Greek spoken in Greece.
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Mar 17, 2004, 5:57:15 PM3/17/04
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Re Ksidino,
 
I never said that the pronunciation of K are exactly the same in Greek as in English. If I remember it rightly I said that the Greek K is a soft K. However, this does NOT make it a hard G as on "go get stuffed"!  ;-) I said hard G to differentiate it from the Gamma which in Greeklish is more properly transliterated as "gh" -- in other words, a soft G.
 
Obviously Aga cannot hear the difference between the English K and the Greek K sounds. If you can pronounce the English K as well as the Greek K, may I suggest that you concentrate on what happens in your throat as you utter them one after another. If anyone can hear AND voice the different Ks as well as the G sound as in "go get stuffed" , one should be able to note the different movements in the throat/larynx required to voice those sounds.
 
In English to pronounce K you need to make a spitting sound in the roof of your mouth like a short cough. To pronounce kappa you do not.
 
While it is true that Greek Cypriots, particularly the unsophisticated ones, tend to soften the Greek K so that it sounds like in "go get stuffed" [;-)], (yes, I DO mean you) this hardly makes it standard Greek pronunciation. This also applies to vernacular Greek spoken in Greece.
 
Every Greek singer pronounces it G apart from Melina Mercouri who speaks upper class Greek which is not how Greeks speak Greek but how the imported Germanic so-called "Greek" royal family bastardised Greek by speaking it with a German accent in the same way that the Frankish English royal family bastardised Anglo-Saxon English by speaking it with a French accent.

choro-nik

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Mar 17, 2004, 7:23:40 PM3/17/04
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Re Ksidino,
 
I never said that the pronunciation of K are exactly the same in Greek as in English. If I remember it rightly I said that the Greek K is a soft K. However, this does NOT make it a hard G as on "go get stuffed"!  ;-) I said hard G to differentiate it from the Gamma which in Greeklish is more properly transliterated as "gh" -- in other words, a soft G.
 
Obviously Aga cannot hear the difference between the English K and the Greek K sounds. If you can pronounce the English K as well as the Greek K, may I suggest that you concentrate on what happens in your throat as you utter them one after another. If anyone can hear AND voice the different Ks as well as the G sound as in "go get stuffed" , one should be able to note the different movements in the throat/larynx required to voice those sounds.
 
In English to pronounce K you need to make a spitting sound in the roof of your mouth like a short cough. To pronounce kappa you do not.
 
We know there is a difference in the vocalization of the K character in English and in Greek. The Greek version is softer. But I still say that there is a difference between the Greek K and the English character G as in go or gusto. In Greek "gousto" is pronounced with the character gamma (or better still ghamma} which is better transliterated into English as the diphthong GH.
 
As the Turkish rhyme goes...
 
Alfa, Vita
Ghamma, Dhelta,
Pezeveksin
Sen da o da
 
In English the Greek letter Ghamma is pronounced Gamma but the Greeks pronounce it as Ghamma. You see, in Turkish we have specific alphabetical characters for the G and the GH.
 
Similarly there is a subtle but very pronounced difference between the English and Greek pronunciation of the letter K. In transliteration the Greek letter Delta or D is assumed to be pronounced as DH while the hard equivalent T is pronounced as a soft T but it cannot be transliterated or indeed voiced as the D character in the English alphabet.
 
Why can't you admit that you have made a mistake as Gogu advised you to and we shall call it a day. Else all will assume that you cannot hear OR vocalize the subtle differences. We all know that Greek Cypriots do have a tendency to soften the K as well as the T sounds the same as in vernacular Greek in Greece though to a much lesser degree. 
 
While it is true that Greek Cypriots, particularly the unsophisticated ones, tend to soften the Greek K so that it sounds like in "go get stuffed" [;-)], (yes, I DO mean you) this hardly makes it standard Greek pronunciation. This also applies to vernacular Greek spoken in Greece.
 
Every Greek singer pronounces it G apart from Melina Mercouri who speaks upper class Greek which is not how Greeks speak Greek but how the imported Germanic so-called "Greek" royal family bastardised Greek by speaking it with a German accent in the same way that the Frankish English royal family bastardised Anglo-Saxon English by speaking it with a French accent.
 
Folk singers may well tend to vocalize the K more as a G but that does not change the fact that it IS pronounced differently in standard Greek. See my note above re vernacular Greek. And please do NOT assume that the Karpasitiko Greek you learned from your mum and dad is Standard Greek.
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Yanart Amin Ari

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Mar 17, 2004, 9:24:31 PM3/17/04
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Re Ksidino,
 
I never said that the pronunciation of K are exactly the same in Greek as in English. If I remember it rightly I said that the Greek K is a soft K. However, this does NOT make it a hard G as on "go get stuffed"!  ;-) I said hard G to differentiate it from the Gamma which in Greeklish is more properly transliterated as "gh" -- in other words, a soft G.
 
Obviously Aga cannot hear the difference between the English K and the Greek K sounds. If you can pronounce the English K as well as the Greek K, may I suggest that you concentrate on what happens in your throat as you utter them one after another. If anyone can hear AND voice the different Ks as well as the G sound as in "go get stuffed" , one should be able to note the different movements in the throat/larynx required to voice those sounds.
 
In English to pronounce K you need to make a spitting sound in the roof of your mouth like a short cough. To pronounce kappa you do not.
 
We know there is a difference in the vocalization of the K character in English and in Greek. The Greek version is softer. But I still say that there is a difference between the Greek K and the English character G as in go or gusto. In Greek "gousto" is pronounced with the character gamma (or better still ghamma} which is better transliterated into English as the diphthong GH.
 
As the Turkish rhyme goes...
 
Alfa, Vita
Ghamma, Dhelta,
Pezeveksin
Sen da o da
 
In English the Greek letter Ghamma is pronounced Gamma but the Greeks pronounce it as Ghamma. You see, in Turkish we have specific alphabetical characters for the G and the GH.
 
Similarly there is a subtle but very pronounced difference between the English and Greek pronunciation of the letter K. In transliteration the Greek letter Delta or D is assumed to be pronounced as DH while the hard equivalent T is pronounced as a soft T but it cannot be transliterated or indeed voiced as the D character in the English alphabet.
 
Why can't you admit that you have made a mistake as Gogu advised you to and we shall call it a day. Else all will assume that you cannot hear OR vocalize the subtle differences. We all know that Greek Cypriots do have a tendency to soften the K as well as the T sounds the same as in vernacular Greek in Greece though to a much lesser degree. 
 
While it is true that Greek Cypriots, particularly the unsophisticated ones, tend to soften the Greek K so that it sounds like in "go get stuffed" [;-)], (yes, I DO mean you) this hardly makes it standard Greek pronunciation. This also applies to vernacular Greek spoken in Greece.
 
Every Greek singer pronounces it G apart from Melina Mercouri who speaks upper class Greek which is not how Greeks speak Greek but how the imported Germanic so-called "Greek" royal family bastardised Greek by speaking it with a German accent in the same way that the Frankish English royal family bastardised Anglo-Saxon English by speaking it with a French accent.
 
Folk singers may well tend to vocalize the K more as a G but that does not change the fact that it IS pronounced differently in standard Greek. See my note above re vernacular Greek. And please do NOT assume that the Karpasitiko Greek you learned from your mum and dad is Standard Greek.
 
Or that Norf Landun Ingerlish they tot yoo wuz staaaandid Ingerlish yoo soft farkin slaaaag !

Yanart Amin Ari

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Mar 23, 2004, 8:15:30 PM3/23/04
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Re Ksidino,
 
I never said that the pronunciation of K are exactly the same in Greek as in English. If I remember it rightly I said that the Greek K is a soft K. However, this does NOT make it a hard G as on "go get stuffed"!  ;-) I said hard G to differentiate it from the Gamma which in Greeklish is more properly transliterated as "gh" -- in other words, a soft G.
 
Obviously Aga cannot hear the difference between the English K and the Greek K sounds. If you can pronounce the English K as well as the Greek K, may I suggest that you concentrate on what happens in your throat as you utter them one after another. If anyone can hear AND voice the different Ks as well as the G sound as in "go get stuffed" , one should be able to note the different movements in the throat/larynx required to voice those sounds.
 
In English to pronounce K you need to make a spitting sound in the roof of your mouth like a short cough. To pronounce kappa you do not.
 
While it is true that Greek Cypriots, particularly the unsophisticated ones, tend to soften the Greek K so that it sounds like in "go get stuffed" [;-)], (yes, I DO mean you) this hardly makes it standard Greek pronunciation. This also applies to vernacular Greek spoken in Greece.
 
Every Greek singer pronounces it G apart from Melina Mercouri who speaks upper class Greek which is not how Greeks speak Greek but how the imported Germanic so-called "Greek" royal family bastardised Greek by speaking it with a German accent in the same way that the Frankish English royal family bastardised Anglo-Saxon English by speaking it with a French accent
 
Is Prince Phillip a Frog then ?

jj

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Mar 23, 2004, 8:38:24 PM3/23/04
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Nope. He is half English, half Greek and half Jeerrrmann....I wonder how he pronounces his K's ang G's? *It iz tyme I woz made zee Ging aend zee Queeen apdugayteed* MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 

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Yanart Amin Ari

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Mar 24, 2004, 7:22:02 PM3/24/04
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*ROTFLMFAO*
 
You LEGEND jj !

jj

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Mar 25, 2004, 6:38:50 PM3/25/04
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Of course I forgot to add that *if* Prince Charles does become Ging then Aga-Aga would have no choice but to learn a new language. No longer the Gueens language but he would have to learn the Gings language.
 
But I wonder what language Aga-Aga will speak *if* the Monarchy is abolished? Would he in future have to say *Eef yuu cannee seepeek Gocgeney Eengleessshh then yuu canne seepeek Grig!* 
 
Oh boy, let's for God's sake *geep* our Monarchy alive and *gigen* untill Aga-Aga has migrated to another dimension.  

N. Aslanidis

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Feb 14, 2005, 7:39:29 PM2/14/05
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Don't know if this is any help to you, but I like to compare it to
northern German. Imagine someone from Hamburg saying "Kanne" as opposed
to someone from southern Germany saying the same.

Pretty much the same applies to greek t (tau) and p (pi) ("Tanne",
"Panne") as well.

Niko

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