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! جان استقبال
سایۂ خدائے ذوالجلال
Kali Hawa
wrote:
kishwar haseen shaad baad
tu nishaan azm aalishaan !
arz pakistaan
markaz yaqeen shaad baad
paak sarzameen ka nizaam
quut aKhuut aawaam
qaum mulk saltnat !
paaindah taabindah baad *
shaad baad manzil muraad
parcham sitaarah o halaal
rahbar taraqee o kamaal
tarzumaan maazii shaan haal !
jaan istaqbaal
saaiie Khudaaye zawaaljalaal **
Please correct it if I got it wrong and explian * and ** lines
Thanks
Kali Hawa
Naseer
paak sar-zamiin shaad baad
kishvar-i-Hasiin shaad baad
tuu nishaan-i-'azm-i-'aalii-shaan
'arz-i-Pakistan
markaz-i-yaqiin shaad baad
paak sar-zamiin kaa nizaam
quvvat-i-uKHuvvat-i-'avaam
qaum, mulk, saltanat
paa'indah, taabindah baad
shaad baad manzil-i-muraad
parcham-i-sitaarah-o-Hilaal
rah-bar-i-taraqqii-o-kamaal
tarjumaan-i-maazii, shaan-i-Haal
jaan-i-istiqbaal
saayah-i-KHudaa-i-zu_ljalaal
baad, in this context=rahe
KHudaa-i-zu_ljalaal= jalaal vaalaa KHudaa= majestic God, loosely God
almighty
Naseer
Kali Hawa
>
> - Show quoted text -
Janab Naseer Sahib,
aadaab
Please explain the entire line
> paa'indah, taabindah baad
and
> saayah-i-KHudaa-i-zu_ljalaal
and tell me if you are angry with me?
shukriya o aadaab arz hai.
Kali Hawa
Naseer
janaab-i-Kala Sahib, aadaab 'arz hai.
> qaum, mulk, saltanat
> paa'indah, taabindah baad
May the nation, the dominion, the realm
be enduring and refulgent..
i.e. Long live the...and may its future be bright.
>saayah-i-KHudaa-i-zu_ljalaal
the shadow of God almighty.
I believe the implication is something like, "may the (shadow of) the
flag be as it were, God almighty's shadow over us. I am open to other
friends' interpretations.
I have posted my views to you. Whether I am angry or not does not make
one iota's difference. What is important is whether you still regard
your actions to be honourable.
KHair-KHvaah,
Naseer
Naseer
I saw the following translation in English of Pakistan's Qaumii
taraanah which I thought was pretty accurate.
paak sar-zamiin shaad baad
kishvar-i-Hasiin shaad baad
tuu nishaan-i-'azm-i-'aalii-shaan
'arz-i-Pakistan
markaz-i-yaqiin shaad baad
Blessed be the sacred land
Happy be the bounteous realm
Symbol of high resolve
Land of Pakistan!
Blessed be thou, citadel of faith
paak sar-zamiin kaa nizaam
quvvat-i-uKHuvvat-i-'avaam
qaum, mulk, saltanat
paa'indah, taabindah baad
shaad baad manzil-i-muraad
The order of this sacred land
Is the might of the brotherhood of the people
May the nation, the country, and the state
Shine in glory everlasting!
Blessed be the goal of our ambition
parcham-i-sitaarah-o-Hilaal
rah-bar-i-taraqqii-o-kamaal
tarjumaan-i-maazii, shaan-i-Haal
jaan-i-istiqbaal
saayah-i-KHudaa-i-zu_ljalaal
This flag of the crescent and star
Leads the way to progress and perfection
Interpreter of our past, glory of our present
Inspiration of our future!
Symbol of the Almighty's protection
KHair-KHvaah,
Naseer
Raj Kumar
> Haaziriin-i-maHfi, aadaab 'arz hai.
>
> I saw the following translation in English of Pakistan's Qaumii
> taraanah which I thought was pretty accurate.
Naseer saahib, yeh to hu'aa aap ke qaumii taraane ka aNgrezii zabaan
meiN tarjama. ab --- baqaul-e-Majeed Laahaurii ---"ko'ii Khudaa ka
baNda hamaare qaumii taraane ka tarjama hamaari qaumii zabaan meiN bhi
to kare"! :)
R.K.
---------------------
UVR
> On May 9, 2:46 pm, Naseer <qures...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Haaziriin-i-maHfi, aadaab 'arz hai.
>
> > I saw the following translation in English of Pakistan's Qaumii
> > taraanah which I thought was pretty accurate.
>
> Naseer saahib, yeh to hu'aa aap ke qaumii taraane ka aNgrezii zabaan
> meiN tarjama. ab --- baqaul-e-Majeed Laahaurii ---"ko'ii Khudaa ka
> baNda hamaare qaumii taraane ka tarjama hamaari qaumii zabaan meiN bhi
> to kare"! :)
>
> R.K.
>
mujhe to lagaa k Naseer saahib ne Pakistan ke qaumi taraane
kaa tarjumaa apni (aur meri-aapki bhi!) qaumi zubaan hi meN
meN kiyaa hai! :) LOL!
-UVR.
Naseer
On May 9, 11:53 pm, UVR <u...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 3:46 pm, Raj Kumar <rajkumarq...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 2:46 pm, Naseer <qures...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Haaziriin-i-maHfi, aadaab 'arz hai.
>
> > > I saw the following translation in English of Pakistan's Qaumii
> > > taraanah which I thought was pretty accurate.
>
> > Naseer saahib, yeh to hu'aa aap ke qaumii taraane ka aNgrezii zabaan
> > meiN tarjama. ab --- baqaul-e-Majeed Laahaurii ---"ko'ii Khudaa ka
> > baNda hamaare qaumii taraane ka tarjama hamaari qaumii zabaan meiN bhi
> > to kare"! :)
>
> > R.K.
>
> mujhe to lagaa k Naseer saahib ne Pakistan ke qaumi taraane
> kaa tarjumaa apni (aur meri-aapki bhi!) qaumi zubaan hi meN
> meN kiyaa hai! :) LOL!
mujhe aap kii baatoN se yuuN lagtaa hai kih merii yih posT aap kii
Gham-zadah zindagiyoN meN LOL le aaii hai awr aap mujhe yih KHush-
KHabarii bataane ke liye barq-raftaarii se aan pahuNche haiN:)
dekhiye janaabaan-i-muHtaramii, har zabaan ke muKHtalif "register"
hote haiN awr Pakistan kaa qaumii taraanah usii register meN hai jis
meN Ghalib kii shaa'irii kaa ek KHaasaa Hissah hai. maiN itnaa 'arz
kar duuN kih go yih taraanah merii maadarii zabaan meN nahiiN hai
lekin phir bhii merii qaumii zabaan meN zaruur hai, KHvaah Majeed
Lahiihori kuchh bhii kahe. awr is ke ma'nii se maiN apne primary
school ke zamaane hii se vaaqif thaa.
kuchh logoN kaa qaul hai kih is taraane se ek "kaa" kaa lafz nikaal
diyaa jaae to yih taraanah Farsi zabaan kaa ho jaae gaa. un kii
ma'luumaat ke liye itnaa kahe detaa huuN kih Farsi meN "paak sar-
zamiin shaad baad" nahiiN kahte, balkih "sar-zamiin-i-paak shaad baad
" kahte haiN. lihaazah "kaa" ke nikaalne se bhii yih Farsi taraanah
nahiiN ban saktaa.
mere taraane ke Urdu tarjume kii baat aap logoN ne chheRii hai. kyaa
"jaana, gaana, maanaa" aap kii qaumii zabaan meN hai? Let's all now
ROL!!:) haaN agar "taraanah-i-Hindi" ko aap apnaa qaumii taraanah
samajhte haiN to vuh vaaqi'ii aap kii apnii zabaan meN hai!! By the
way, UVR Sahib, maiN ne yih tarjumah nahiiN kiyaa. kisii awr KHudaa ke
bande ne kiyaa hai.
Please take the contents of this post in the same vein as your posts.
No hard feelings intended.
KHair-andesh,
Naseer
Afzal A. Khan
> dekhiye janaabaan-i-muHtaramii, har zabaan ke muKHtalif "register"
> hote haiN awr Pakistan kaa qaumii taraanah usii register meN hai jis
> meN Ghalib kii shaa'irii kaa ek KHaasaa Hissah hai. maiN itnaa 'arz
> kar duuN kih go yih taraanah merii maadarii zabaan meN nahiiN hai
> lekin phir bhii merii qaumii zabaan meN zaruur hai, KHvaah Majeed
> Lahiihori kuchh bhii kahe. awr is ke ma'nii se maiN apne primary
> school ke zamaane hii se vaaqif thaa.
>
> kuchh logoN kaa qaul hai kih is taraane se ek "kaa" kaa lafz nikaal
> diyaa jaae to yih taraanah Farsi zabaan kaa ho jaae gaa. un kii
> ma'luumaat ke liye itnaa kahe detaa huuN kih Farsi meN "paak sar-
> zamiin shaad baad" nahiiN kahte, balkih "sar-zamiin-i-paak shaad baad
> " kahte haiN. lihaazah "kaa" ke nikaalne se bhii yih Farsi taraanah
> nahiiN ban saktaa.
>
> mere taraane ke Urdu tarjume kii baat aap logoN ne chheRii hai. kyaa
> "jaana, gaana, maanaa" aap kii qaumii zabaan meN hai? Let's all now
> ROL!!:) haaN agar "taraanah-i-Hindi" ko aap apnaa qaumii taraanah
> samajhte haiN to vuh vaaqi'ii aap kii apnii zabaan meN hai!! By the
> way, UVR Sahib, maiN ne yih tarjumah nahiiN kiyaa. kisii awr KHudaa ke
> bande ne kiyaa hai.
>
> Please take the contents of this post in the same vein as your posts.
> No hard feelings intended.
> Naseer
Naseer Saheb,
I can understand your feelings. It is every nation's prerogative
to choose its National Anthem, and that choice (and its language)
should be respected.
BTW, it is not quite "jaana, gaana, maana" in the Indian Anthem.
Also, I (for one) can understand without difficulty the entire
Anthem posted by you, in its original form, though I do not know
Faarsi. And I am sure some of our ALUP friends do likewise.
And, I am certain, a great many of your countrymen too.
As regards Majeed Lahori, please do not react as if he was some
profound scholar. He was a humorist/satirist and poking fun at
various things was his profession and source of livelihood ---
much like political cartoonists. You may perhaps recall a sher
by Akbar Ilaahabadi :
Bas~ke tha naama-e-a'amaal mira hindi men
Koi paRh hi na saka, mil gayee fil~faur najaat
Majeed Lahori was born in Gujrat District of Punjab around 1917
and died in Karach in June 1957. Some years back, "Dawn"
(the Pakistani newspaper) had published a short article on him
where, inter alia, it was stated that "the intellectual level of
Majeed's humour was not very high as he was not an intellectual
type".
It is interesting to note that he was quite capable of writing in
a "language" or "register" which is not all that different from
the vocabulary one finds in your Anthem. For instance, here are
a few lines from his poem on Gujrat (where he was born) :
KHitta-e-Gujrat
Mera maulid hai KHitta-e-Gujrat
Naazish-e-rooh, raNg-e-roo-e-hayaat
KHuld bar~dosh Khwaab hai us ka
Jaan-e-Kausar 'Chenaab' hai us ka
Qud'siyoN ki jabeeN ka noor hai yeh
RaNg-e-naqsh-e-Kaleem-o-Toor hai yeh
'Aalam-e-sar~KHushi men behta hai
'Ishq ki daastaan kehta hai
Hai yeh tasweer KHuld~zaaroN ki
Hai yeh rooh-e-rawaaN bahaaroN ki
GHaur se dekho in haseenoN ko
Meh~jabeenoN ko, naazneenoN ko
In pe qurbaan maah ki tanweer
Aur tasadduq ho in pe mehr-e-muneer
In dinoN hai yehi mira maaman
Jannat-e-husn hai mira maskan
So, all in all, you need not be concerned all that much on
his comment. To use a modern idiom, "just chill" !
Afzal
UVR
> janaab-i-Raj Kumar Sahib awr janaab-i-UVR Sahib aadaab 'arz hai.
>
> On May 9, 11:53 pm, UVR <u...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 9, 3:46 pm, Raj Kumar <rajkumarq...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 9, 2:46 pm, Naseer <qures...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Haaziriin-i-maHfi, aadaab 'arz hai.
>
> > > > I saw the following translation in English of Pakistan's Qaumii
> > > > taraanah which I thought was pretty accurate.
>
> > > Naseer saahib, yeh to hu'aa aap ke qaumii taraane ka aNgrezii zabaan
> > > meiN tarjama. ab --- baqaul-e-Majeed Laahaurii ---"ko'ii Khudaa ka
> > > baNda hamaare qaumii taraane ka tarjama hamaari qaumii zabaan meiN bhi
> > > to kare"! :)
>
> > > R.K.
>
> > mujhe to lagaa k Naseer saahib ne Pakistan ke qaumi taraane
> > kaa tarjumaa apni (aur meri-aapki bhi!) qaumi zubaan hi meN
> > meN kiyaa hai! :) LOL!
>
> mujhe aap kii baatoN se yuuN lagtaa hai kih merii yih posT aap kii
> Gham-zadah zindagiyoN meN LOL le aaii hai awr aap mujhe yih KHush-
> KHabarii bataane ke liye barq-raftaarii se aan pahuNche haiN:)
>
> dekhiye janaabaan-i-muHtaramii, har zabaan ke muKHtalif "register"
>
> mere taraane ke Urdu tarjume kii baat aap logoN ne chheRii hai. kyaa
> "jaana, gaana, maanaa" aap kii qaumii zabaan meN hai? Let's all now
> ROL!!:) haaN agar "taraanah-i-Hindi" ko aap apnaa qaumii taraanah
>
Naseer saahib,
It's my turn to say "you didn't 'get' it."
huzoor, Khaaksaar ne to bas itnaa 'arz kiyaa thaa k aap kaa post-
kardah tarjuma to pahle hi se us "qaum" ki qaumi zabaan meN hai jahaaN
ke aap baashinde haiN! (ya'ani, UK)
"Urdu tarjume" ki baat *maiN* ne kab ki?!
ab yeh aap par hai k apni is 'Ghalati' ki munaasib 'sazaa' Khud
DhooNDeN. :)
-UVR.
Naseer
janaab-i-muHtaram UVR Sahib, aadaab 'arz hai.
> > mujhe to lagaa k Naseer saahib ne Pakistan ke qaumi taraane
> > kaa tarjumaa apni (aur meri-aapki bhi!) qaumi zubaan hi meN
> > meN kiyaa hai! :) LOL!
aap ke is jumle ke mutaabiq ek baat jo vaaziH hai vuh yih hai kih
*maiN ne* Pakistan ke qaumii taraane kaa tarjumah kiyaa hai jo durust
nahiiN hai. maiN ne shuruu' hii meN 'arz kiyaa thaa kih mujhe yih
tarjumah internet se milaa hai.vaise is baat par baHs fuzuul hai
kyoNkih yih ma'muulii sii baat hai.
rahii baat merii Ghalat-fahmii kii kih aap ne (bhii) is taraane ke
Urdu tarjume kii baat chheRii hai, us kii maiN aap se Ghair-mashruut
ma'zirat chaahtaa huuN.
merii is Ghalt-fahmii kaa *us* Ghalat-fahmii ke saath ( jis meN
"shiishe" kaa zikr hai) mu'aazanah karte hue, mujhe ummiid hai kih aap
ise faraamosh kar deN ge:)
KHair-KHvaah
Naseer
UVR
Naseer saahib, aadaab.
aap ne "doosri baar" yaad dilaayaa to mujhe yaad aayaa. maiN apni
Ghalati qubool karte hue aap se ma'azrat chaahtaa hooN. mazeed sirf
itni "safaa'ii" pesh kar lene ki ijaazat de deN k maiN ne post type
karte waqt lafz "meN #2" ki bajaaye lafz "post" it'emaal kiyaa thaa.
ya'ani --
"Naseer saahib ne tarjuma apni ... qaumi zubaan hi meN post kiyaa
hai."
magar 'post' na jaane kaise 'meN' meN tabdeel ho gayaa! meri is
Ghalati ki wajh se aap ko jo takleef hui, us ke liye maiN sharminda
hooN. aa'inda Khayaal rakhooNgaa.
-UVR.
Naseer
skuul ke zamaane meN "assembly" ke dauraan ham 'umuum-an Iqbal kii
nazm "lab pih aatii hai..." gaayaa karte the awr aaKHir meN yih qaumii
taraanah. lekin Iqbal kii du'aa kii jagah kabhii kabhii ham yih
"du'aa" bhii gaa lete the.
ai KHaaliq tere jalve kaa hotaa hai nuur zamaane meN
tuu bastaa hai har bastii meN to rahtaa hai viiraane meN
mujhe yih "bastaa hai har bastii meN..." vaalaa shi'r is liye pasand
hai kyoNkih *us* vaqt mere zihn meN *bastaa* ke ma'nii zihn meN
kitaaboN kaa "bastah" huaa karte the!:)
mujhe bas itnaa hii yaad hai. merii jagah Afzal Sahib yaa Raj Kumar
Sahib hote to saarii du'aa un ko yaad hotii. kyaa koii ALUP-er jaantaa
hai kih is kaa shaa'ir kaun hai awr puurii du'aa kyaa hai?
KHair-KHvaah,
Naseer
Naseer
In 2014, while searching for this "du3aa", I discovered that the poet for it was a man called Roshan Laal who was a teacher at R. B. Sunderdaas High School, Dinga, District Gurjat, Punjab, Pakistan. The wording of the du3aa is..
ai xaaliq tere jalve kaa phailaa hai nuur zamaane meN
tuu bastaa hai har bastii meN, tuu rahtaa hai viiraane meN
Naseer