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sat pal

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Oct 27, 2007, 1:59:56 AM10/27/07
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Dear all elder and younger brothers!

I want to start one very interesting subject. We will choose one beher
and everybody will send example of ghazals written in the said beher
and will send all other knowledge regarding the same beher.


So i am starting the topic with behere hazaz vazan is 1222x4 in saalim
form.pl start sending example in this beher

Regards
sat pal

UVR

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Oct 27, 2007, 11:18:16 AM10/27/07
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Sat Pal ji,

aap ko poori ki poori GhazaleN chaahiye, yaa sirf GhazaloN
ki "reference"? filhaal ek reference haazir hai. Deewaan-e-
Ghalib meN dekhiyegaa to aur GhazleN is behr meN
mil jaayeNgi.

kisee ko de ke dil koi nawaa-sanj-e-fuGhaaN kyooN ho
na ho jab dil hi seene meN to phir muNh meN zabaaN kyooN ho

-UVR.

UVR

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Oct 27, 2007, 7:57:26 PM10/27/07
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janaab-e-Sat Pal,

I went through my copy of the Deewan-e-Ghalib and found the
following Ghazals in this behr. I may have missed one or two.
If so, I request other ALUPers to fill in the blanks.

-UVR.

[1]
jaraahat tohfa almaas armuGhaaN daaG-e-jigar hadiyah
mubaarakbaad 'Asad' Gham-Khwaar-e-jaan-e-dardmand aayaa

[2]
shumaar-e-subHah marGhoob-e-but-e-mushkil-pasand aayaa
tamaashaa-e-ba.yak.kaf burdan-e-sad dil pasand aayaa

[3]
sataayishgar hai zaahid is qadar jis baaGh-e-rizwaaN kaa
woh ik guldasta hai ham be-KhudoN ke taaq-e-nisyaaN kaa

[4]
nah hogaa yak biyaabaaN maaNdagi se zauq kam meraa
habaab-e-mauja-e-raftaar hai naqsh-e-qadam meraa

[5]
saraapaa rahn-e-'ishq-o-naa-guzeer-e-ulfat-e-hasti
'ibaadat barq ki kartaa huuN aur afsos haasil kaa

[6]
asad ham woh junooN-jaulaaN gadaa-e-be-sar-o-paa haiN
k hai sar-panjah-e-mizhgaan-e-aahoo pusht-Khaar apnaa

[7] pa'e nazr-e-karam tohfa hai sharm-e-naa-rasaa`ii kaa
ba.KhooN Ghalteeda-e-sad.rang da'avaa paarasaa`ii kaa

[Note paarasaa`ii, and NOT paarsaa`ii]

[8]
na thaa kuchh to Khudaa thaa, kuchh na hotaa to Khudaa hotaa
Duboyaa mujh ko hone ne, na hotaa maiN to kyaa hotaa

[9]
lataafat be-kasaafat jalwa paidaa kar naheeN sakti
chaman zangaar hai aa`iina-e-baad-e-bahaari kaa

[10]
laraztaa hai miraa dil zahmat-e-mehr-e-daraKhshaaN par
maiN hooN woh qatra-e-shabnam k ho Khaar-e-bayaabaaN par

[11]
safaa-e-hairat-e-aa`iina hai saamaan-e-zang aaKhir
taGhayyur aab-e-barjaa-maaNda kaa paataa hai rang aaKhir

[12] junooN ki dastgeerii kis se ho gar ho na 'uryaani
garebaaN chaak kaa haq ho gayaa hai meri gardan par

[13]
sitam kash maslehat se hooN k KhoobaaN tujh par 'aashiq haiN
takalluf bar-taraf mil jaayegaa tujh saa raqeeb aaKhir

[14]
na leve gar Khas-e jauhar taraavat sabza-e-Khat se
lagaave Khaana-e-aa`iina meN ruu-e-nigaar aatish

[15]
qayaamat hai k sun Lailaa kaa dasht-e-Qais meN aanaa
ta'ajjub se woh bolaa yooN bhii hotaa hai zamaane meN

[16]
naheeN hai zaKhm koi baKhye ke darKhur mire tan meN
huaa hai taar-e-ashk-e-yaas rishta chashm-e-sozan meN

[17]
hasad se dil agar afzurdah hai garm-e-tamaashaa ho
k chashm-e-tang shaayad kasrat-e-nazzaara se vaa ho

[18]
qafas meN hooN gar achchhaa bhi na jaaneN mere shevan ko
miraa honaa buraa kyaa hai navaa-sanjaan-e-gulshan ko

[19]
kisi ko de ke dil koi nawaa-sanj-e-fuGhaaN kyooN ho


na ho jab dil hi seene meN to phir muNh meN zabaaN kyooN ho

[20]
bisaat-e-'ajz meN thaa ek dil yak qatrah KhooN woh bhi
so rahtaa hai ba.andaaz-e-chakiidan sar-nigooN woh bhi

[21]
Gham-e-dunyaa se gar paayi bhi fursat sar uThaane ki
falak kaa dekhnaa taqreeb mere yaad aane ki

[22]
mirii hastii fazaa-e-hairat aabaad-e-tamannaa hai
jise kahte haiN naala woh usi 'aalam kaa 'anqaa hai

[23]
junooN tahmat-kash-e taskeeN na ho gar shaadmaani ki
namak-paash-e-Kharaash-e-dil hai lazzat zindagaani ki

[24]
nikohish hai sazaa faryaadi-e-bedaad-e-dilbar ki
mabaadaa Khanda-e-dandaaN-numaa ho subH mahshar ki

[25]
hujoom-e-Gham se yaaN tak sar-nigooni mujh ko haasil hai
k taar-e-daaman-o-taar-e-nazar meN farq mushkil hai

[26]
taGhaaful.dost hooN meraa dimaaGh-e-'ajz 'aalii hai
agar pahloo tehi keeje to jaa meri bhi Khaali hai

[27]
tapish se meri vaqf-e-kash-ma-kash har taar-e-bistar hai
miraa sar ranj-e-baaleeN hai miraa tan baar-e-bistar hai

[28]
Khatar hai rishta-e-ulfat rag-e-gardan na ho jaave
Ghuroor-e-dosti aafat hai tuu dushman na ho jaave

[29]
huzoor-e-shaah meN ahl-e-suKhan ki aazmaaish hai
chaman meN Khush-nawaayaan-e-chaman kii aazmaaish hai

[30]
kabhi neki bhi us ke jee meN gar aa jaaye hai mujh se
jafaaeN kar ke apni yaad, sharmaa jaaye hai mujh se

[31]
hazaaroN KhwaahisheN aisi ke has Khwaahish pe dam nikle
bahut nikle mire armaan lekin phir bhi kam nikle

[32]
lab-e-'Isaa ki junbish karti hai gahwaara-junbaani
qiyaamat kushta-e-la'al-e-butaaN kaa Khwaab-e-sangeeN hai

[33]
siyaahi jaise gir jaave dam-e tahreer kaaGhaz par
mirii qismat meN yooN tasveer hai shab.haa-e-hijraaN ki

[34]
hujoom-e-naala hairat 'aajiz-e-'arz-e yak-afGhaaN hai
Khamoshi resha-e sad-naistaaN se Khas.ba.dandaaN hai

Kali Hawa

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Oct 28, 2007, 1:30:28 AM10/28/07
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UVR Sahib

aadaab,

aap jaise naamcheen shaair ko example dena shobhaa nahi detaa.
Ghazal hi kah dena me kyaa harz hai?


Kali Hawa

Amjad

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Oct 28, 2007, 7:21:22 AM10/28/07
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aadaab arz hai

beHr-e-Hazaj saalim mucamman aik maa'roof beHr hai, jis meiN kacrat se
ghazleN maujood haiN, isi beHr meiN Allama Iqbal ke bhi bahot se
ash'aar, nazmeN, ghazleN maujood haiN, aik she'r jo mujhe bahot pasand
hai :

Huzoor-e-Haq meiN israafeel ne meri shikaayat ki
ye banda vaqt se pehle qayaamat kar na de barpaa

shukriya

Amjad

UVR

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Oct 28, 2007, 12:00:37 PM10/28/07
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aap ki zarra nawaazi kaa shukrguzaar hooN, magar "naamcheen"!?

-UVR.

Vijay

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Oct 28, 2007, 12:37:03 PM10/28/07
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mere Khyaal meN Iqbal ka yeh mash-huur-o-ma'aruuf aur mera pasaNdiidah
she'r bhii isii behar meN hai:

nahiiN iqbal na-ummiid apni kasht-e-viiraaN se
zara nam ho to yeh miTTi baRi zar-Khez hai saaqii!

regards,

Vijay

Amjad

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Oct 29, 2007, 2:21:50 AM10/29/07
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moHtaram Vijay saHib

aadaab arz hai

be.shak Iqbal ka ye she'r bhi bahot khoob hai, ham ne kulliyaat meiN
ye she'r kuch yooN paRha hai :

nahiN hai naa.umeed Iqbaal apni kisht-e-veeraaN se
zaraa nam ho to ye miTTi baRee zarkhez hai saaqi

Iqbal ka aik aur she'r isi beHr meiN :

khudee ko kar buland itnaa ke har taqdeer se pehle
Khudaa bande se khud pooche bataa teri raza kia hai

shukriya

Amjad

sat pal

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Oct 30, 2007, 2:36:32 AM10/30/07
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RESPECTED SIR,

THANKS A LOT.

Aap jese bare log agar hamara saath denge to naye likhne walon ko
bahut madad milegi.kyonki yeh sab cheezen ya to guru se milti hai ya
kisi kitab se. aaj ke samaye me muft me gyan koi koi bantna hai. is ke
liye ek baar fir apka bahut- bahut shkriya

LEARNER

SAT PAL

Amjad

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Oct 30, 2007, 3:29:21 AM10/30/07
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Sat Pal saHib

aadaab arz hai

kia isi beHr meiN mazeed ash'aar pesh kiye jaaiN, ya phir aap koi aur
beHr likh deN taa'ke us meiN cheedah cheedah ash'aar pesh kiye jaaiN

fil.vaqt beHr-e-Hazaj saalim mucamman meiN hi shaa'ir-e-shabaab-o-
inqilaab Josh MaleeH.aabaadi ke do ash'aar :

rumooz-e-maa'rifat ko maa'ni-e-be.lafz kehte haiN
ye voh baateN haiN jin ko naatiqa paa hi nahiN sakta

jo har junbish ke peeche ik sukooN meHsoos karta hai
kabhi voh iztiraab-e-dil se ghabraa hi nahiN saktaa

shukriya

Amjad

sat pal

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Oct 30, 2007, 3:38:43 AM10/30/07
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SIR,
POORI GHAZAL JYADA ACHCHI RAHEGI.

THANKS
SAT PAL

sat pal

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Oct 30, 2007, 3:41:54 AM10/30/07
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THANKS
Amzad bhai.
sat pal

sat pal

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Oct 30, 2007, 3:42:52 AM10/30/07
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Thanks sir.
sat pal

UVR

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Oct 30, 2007, 4:39:48 AM10/30/07
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chand aur sh'er, jo is waqt yaad aa rahe haiN, pesh haiN.

Firaq:
bahut pahle se un qadmoN ki aahaT jaan lete haiN
tujhe ai zindagi ham dooooor se pehchaan lete haiN!

Jigar:
tabee'at in dinoN begaana-e-Gham hoti jaati hai
mire hisse ki goya har Khushi kam hoti jaati hai

Hasrat Mohani:
naheeN aati to yaad unaki maheenoN bhar naheeN aati
magar jab yaad aate haiN to aksar yaad aate haiN

Qateel Shifai:
tumhaari anjuman se uTh ke deewane kahaaN jaate
jo wabasta hue tum se woh afsaane kahaaN jaate

Seemaab Akbarabadi:
ta'ajjub kyaa lagi jo aag ai 'Seemaab' siine meN
hazaaroN dil meN angaare bhare the, lag gayi hogi!


sat pal

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Oct 30, 2007, 5:07:30 AM10/30/07
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Thanks again sir.
student
sat pal

Raj Kumar

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Oct 30, 2007, 6:56:59 PM10/30/07
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On Oct 27, 10:30 pm, Kali Hawa <kalih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ghazal hi kah dene me kyaa harj hai?

______________________

janaab-e-Sat Pal saahib:

go k lafz "naamcheen" meri samajh se baalaa-tar hai, phir bhi maiN aap
ki Khidmat meiN apni aek Ghazal (jo k isii bahr meiN hai) pesh kar
rahaa hooN -------- sirf matl'a hi naheeN, bal-k poorii Ghazal :)

------------------

matl'a arz hai:

1. karam dekhe, vafaa dekhii, sitam dekhe, jafaa dekhii
ajab aNdaaz the tere, ajab terii adaa dekhii!

2. na jaane kab tujhe paayaa, na jaane kab tujhe khoyaa
na ham ne ibtedaa dekhii, na ham ne intehaa dekhii!

3. voh aaye to mirii teemaar-daarii ko --- magar tauba!
na aaNkhoN meiN shifaa dekhii, na hoNToN par du'aa dekhii!!!

4. dam-e-ruKhsat balaa kii tamkanat thii un ki aaNkhoN meiN
magar jab Ghaur se dekhaa, sar-aa-paa 'iltejaa' dekhii!

5. tumhaarii bazm meiN jab ham na the --- to kyaa kaheN tum se?
ajab soonaa samaaN dekhaa, ajab soonii fazaa dekhii!

6. idhar ham sar-ba-sijda the tumhaarii raah meiN, jaanaaN!
udhar GhairoN ki aaaNkhoN meiN havas dekhii, havaa dekhii!!!

7. ajab "but" hai k har jaanib hazaaroN chaaNd raushan haiN!
Khudaa shaahid hai, ham ne aaj "tanveer-e-Khudaa" dekhii!!!

8. ba-zaahir noor-afshaaN thaa, ba-baatin sho'la-saamaaN thaa
hameN lagtaa hai, ham ne "toor-e-seenaa" ki fazaa dekhii!

aur ab maqt'a arz hai:

9. 'fanaa' ka vaqt thaa, phir bhii 'baqaa' ke geet gaataa thaa!
tumhaare Qais kii kal shab anokhii hii adaa dekhii!!!

Khair-aNdesh, Raj Kumar

sat pal

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Dear sir,
ye naamceen lafz Anil Kala ji ne istemaal kiya hai.
thanks
satpal

sat pal

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On Oct 31, 3:56 am, Raj Kumar <rajkumarq...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Dear Sir,

Congratulation !

Wonderfull mujhe jyada to pata nahi lekin shabdon ka chayan achcha
hai. Aap ek misra parte hain to doosre ke shabd apne aap munh pe aate
hain mere khayaal se
beher ki selection se ghazal ki khoobsoorti barh jaati hai yeh saaf
jhalkta hai.
achchi ghazal ke liye shukriya.

Sat Pal.

Naseer

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Oct 31, 2007, 9:12:52 AM10/31/07
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UVR Sahib, aadaab 'arz hai.

As Kala Sahib has not got back to you with an explanation, let me make
an intelligent (?) guess. I have not come across this word before
either.

naam-chiin shaa'ir vuh shaa'ir hai jis ne, ya'nii UVR Sahib ne, apnii
salaaHiyatoN kii binaa par apne naam (fame) ko chun liyaa hai...paidaa
kar liyaa hai. In other words, "reputable". What do you think?

The construction reminded me of gul-chiiN.

Naseer

UVR

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Oct 31, 2007, 11:21:17 AM10/31/07
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mohtaram,

I am well-aware of the meaning of the 'word' naamcheen.
At least when I was growing up, it was a word that was
definitely used in the 'Hindi'(!) spoken in the circles in
which I grew up. I am pretty sure you'll find it used in
some of the 'desi' TV channels available here in the
west.

My interrogatory exclamation ("!?") was to express my
surprise at this epithet being applied to me. I am not
even a 'naamcheen shaa'ir' in my own circle -- Khud
apni gali meN bhi "sh'er" naheeN haiN!

-UVR.

Naseer

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UVR Sahib, aadaab 'arz hai.

So, is it a Hindi word? Is this what you are saying? What's the
"derivation"? Raj Kumar Sahib was also hinting that he had not come
across this word.

KHair-andesh,

Naseer

UVR

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Oct 31, 2007, 8:05:26 PM10/31/07
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I don't know if it's a 'Hindi' word, though I have only ever heard
it used by Hindi speakers -- I refer, of course, to people whose
everyday speech is normally comprised of over 95% Urdu
words, but who think (and state) that they don't know 'Urdu'.
There is a goodly number of such people in my family as well
as in my circle of friends. The funny thing is, most of them
think this is an Urdu word! :)

As for derivation, I think you're probably right.

-UVR.

Naseer

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Nov 1, 2007, 5:59:38 AM11/1/07
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I know that we are off the topic (yet again!) but to continue with my
curiosity, is this word just a spoken word or has it made its way into
"high literature" and dictionaries?

Naseer

UVR

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Nov 1, 2007, 2:46:42 PM11/1/07
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I am not sure, Naseer saahib, about "high literature". There
was a Bollywood film made about a decade and a half ago
with this name (which, I vaguely recall, was a 'crime thriller'
-- such as those are!). 'naamcheen' was also present in an
'A.H. Wheeler-type' pocket dictionary (in Devanagari) that
I used to own when I was a child -- such as THOSE are! :-)

-UVR.

Naseer

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Nov 1, 2007, 4:08:42 PM11/1/07
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Thank you for this UVR Sahib. I could not find this word in McGregor's
OUP (Oxford University Press) Hindi/English dictionary.

Naseer

Vijay

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Nov 1, 2007, 6:14:53 PM11/1/07
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On 31 Oct, 15:21, UVR <u...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> My interrogatory exclamation ("!?") was to express my
> surprise at this epithet being applied to me. I am not
> even a 'naamcheen shaa'ir' in my own circle -- Khud
> apni gali meN bhi "sh'er" naheeN haiN!
>
> -UVR.

Nobody is a prophet in his own land!:-)

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