Kaise guzar ga'ii hai javaanii nah puuchhiye

Naseer

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Apr 9, 2021, 1:34:34 PM4/9/21

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Dear ALUP friends,

I don't know if you've noticed but as one grows older, one seems to look back into one's past life. Or is it just me? Sometimes I think about the very last scene in Dilip Kumar's film Devdas when he makes his final journey to his beloved Paarvati (Paaro)'s village, Manikpur, in the back of a bullcart. Those of you who have seen this masterpiece of a film will know that Devdas is ill. The illness he was suffering from was the same illness many many agonized over before him and many did so and are doing so after him. As the bullcart is travelling along a very uneven dirt track, his condition is getting worse and worse and he is wondering when this journey will come to an end and he famously asks the cart driver these telling questions...

Devdas: aur kitnii der hai bhaa'ii, gaaRii vaale
gaaRii-baan : Babu Jii, abhhi abhii to aap gaaRii pih baiThe haiN. abhii to bahut duur jaanaa hai.

This question/answer is followed by a sequence in which the whole of his life, hauntingly flashes past his eyes. This is followed by another question/answer.

Devdad: are bhaa'ii yih raastah kyaa kabhii xatm nahiiN ho gaa?
gaaRii-baan: ho gaa hajuur, jaruur khatam ho gaa.

In recent months, I too seem to be looking back at my life and wondering where it has all gone! As for the period known as "javaanii", I don't have any clear recollections of it. How sad!:-) Anyway, I am one of those people who makes a concerted effort in keeping touch with people in my life. This includes my childhood friends from my school days (three schools, home and abroad), university friends, family friends, work friends and post-work or current friends. This of course includes ALUP friends. In recent years I have managed to make contacts with friends of childhood days and only a few days ago, I managed to contact a friend who now looks like an Asian version of Father Christmas! These friends are Pakistani, Indian, West Indian, English, Scottish, Irish, American and more. Modern social media has been very helpful too, in tracing one or two more.

Are you in touch with friends in your lives from childhood, school period, collegue or university time, work connected and those people who have entered your lives since your retirement, if you have retired? Now to the part relevant to ALUP. Are you able to post any ash3aar that perhaps reflect any of these stages of your life?

With best wishes,

Naseer

B.G. M.

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Apr 10, 2021, 11:14:41 AM4/10/21

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Waa...h, Naseer Saahab, Waa...h!
Aap ki is taHreer ne to dil hilaa diyaa, kyaa kehne!

Nostalgia 101, Sir!

“ peerii se Kham nahiiN hai kamar meN mirii “Qamar”
maiN jhuk ke DhuuNDtaa huuN.... Javaanii kidhar ga’ii!”

~”Qamar” Jalalabadi

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Naseer

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Apr 11, 2021, 5:26:22 PM4/11/21

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bahut bahut shukriya, B.G.M SaaHib. kyaa kisii (Akhtar Ansari) ne nahiiN kahaa thaa...

yaad-i-maazii 3azaab hai yaa Rab
chhiin le mujh se Haafizah meraa

kam az kam aap ko javaanii yaad to hai!:-)

baat karnii tak tumheN aatii nah thii
yih hamaare saamne kii baat hai

daaGh

This shi3r fits my "bachpan" since my father once told me that I could n't pronounce the word "school" for a long time! I pronounced it as "kool"!

Naseer

Irfan Abid

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Apr 13, 2021, 12:10:36 AM4/13/21

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On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 1:34:34 PM UTC-4, Naseer wrote:

Naseer sb, aadaab arz hai!

Your post sent me down memory lane. Yes, I am in touch with friends - those I made way back in life and the ones who came into my life relatively recently. I treasure them all. To me friends are one of the greatest gifts of life.

Regarding ash'aar that I relate to, two come to mind right away. I had a wonderful childhood like most of us, but my youth posed a few challenges. These two ash'aar depict my situation very well. The first one needs no introduction, but the second one may not be all that familiar.

asiir-e-panja-e-ahd-e-shabaab kar ke mujhe
kahaaN gayaa mira bachpan Kharaab kar ke mujhe (Muztar Khairabadi)

harchand raakh ho ke bikharnaa hai raah meN
jalte hue paroN se uRaa huuN, mujhe bhii dekh (Shikeb Jalali)

niyaazmand,
Irfan :Abid:

Afzal A. Khan

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Apr 13, 2021, 2:47:56 PM4/13/21

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'Irfan Saheb,

I too would like to go down memory lane, but only with respect
to the first sher quote by you above.......

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In March 1951, a film was released in India. Its title was
"Deedar". And it starred the legendary thespian Dilip Kumar,
a far more senior actor Ashok Kumar, Nimmi, Nargis and character
actor Yaqub.

The film had some great music composed by the Maestro Syed
Naushad Ali Saheb, and the lyrics were penned by Shakeel
Badayuni.

Sadly, with the exception of Dilip Saheb, all others named
above have passed on. Dilip Saheb is now in his late
nineties. And let us hope and pray that he reaches his
century.

IIRC, the story of the above movie was penned by one
'Azm Bazidpuri.

I believe this writer had also written the story of another
movie and that too had music by Naushad Ali, but it proved to
be a flop at the box office. I think this second film's title was
"Saaz Aur Aawaaz". It starred Joy Mukherjee and Saira Banu.
It was released in 1966. And I remember seeing it in Bombay's
Maratha Mandir Cinema Hall.

Later, 'Azm Bazidpuri claimed (and I believe with some
justification) that his story for this second film had been
subjected to so many changes that it was practically
unrecognizable from what he had originally written........

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In the above film {"Deedar"}, there was a song :

Huwe hum jin ke liye barbaad
Woh chaaheN hum ko kareN na yaad

And this song was preceded by this sher that I had referred to
earlier, viz. "Aseer-e-paNja-e-'ehd-e-shabaab kar ke mujhe".....

"Deedar", IMHO, was a brilliant film. It should be available on
YouTube. Those who have not seen it should see it. Even its
dialogues were things to be treasured. At times, these reminded
one of what Shakespeare had written in his plays. Just my view.

Afzal

Zoya

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Apr 13, 2021, 10:12:15 PM4/13/21

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Interesting thread Naseer sahib. It is always joyful to think about friends, old and not so old.

I have been truly blessed to have had many amazing friends through different phases of life, and all of them hold special places in my heart. Sometimes life just takes us along different paths and people drift away, but cherished memories of shared times remain.

One of the best things about my life is that my best friend for over thirty years lives in the same city as me. This friend is the smartest, wittiest, kindest person ever, and has always been there for me, unconditionally. And my best friend has promised to outlive me because the pact is to deliver a glowing obituary at my memorial service, and then probate my will as the legally appointed estate executor. :)

Now the one she'r that aptly describes my many wonderful friendships over the years:

kuchh yaadeN aur kitaabeN hoN, mira ishq ho aur yaraane hoN
is aab-o-havaa meN rehna ho, aur saarii umr bitaanii ho! :-)

So far, so good. :-)

________Zoya

Naseer

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Apr 15, 2021, 1:04:48 PM4/15/21

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Irfan SaaHib, aadaab.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the thread and the two ash3aar. I am familiar with the first one but the not the second one. It is a very fine shi3r.

Naseer

Afzal A. Khan

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Apr 15, 2021, 1:22:46 PM4/15/21

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MuHibbee,

I recall you have mentioned previously that you seldom,
if ever, see films.

I am, therefore, surprised that you not only remember
this 1955 film, but also its climax. So much so, in fact,
that you remember the concluding dialogue too.

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But, I would like to submit that this has been done in a
previous film too.

My reference is to the 1953 film "Aah", produced and directed
by Raj Kapoor. It had some fine music by Shankar Jaikishan.

The film should be available on YouTube.

****************

When the film was released originally (around March, 1953),
it had a tragic ending.

Raj Kapoor is suffering from Tuberculosis and ultimately
succumbs to it. He wants to see his beloved just once,
before his impending death.

He is shown going in a Tonga towards the house of his beloved.
And the Tonga is being driven by {playback singer} Mukesh.

And Mukesh is singing a song :

Gaaye ja geet milan ke, tu apni lagan ke
Sajan ghar jaana hai

And the scene described by you in the 1955 film "Devdas" takes
place exactly like that in this 1953 film.

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You will observe that I have used the word "originally" while
talking about the film's release. And the reason will be clear
from the following details.

Raj Kapoor and Nargis were an very very popular filmi joRi, right
from the late forties and right up to their last film together,
which was "Chori Chori", released in 1956.

As I said earlier, Raj Kapoor breathes his last just when he is
about to reach the abode where his beloved is supposed to be
residing.

But this tragic ending was not quite palatable to the thousands
of film-goers who loved this particular "joRi".

And, therefore, a second version was made, where the film
ends on a happy note --- with Raj Kapoor recovering from his
illness and being re-united with his beloved.

I think, if anyone wants to watch this film on Youtube today,
he would be seeing this second version only, that ends on a
happy note.

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Well-known filmi villain Pran also played an important role in
this film {"Aah"}. He is a doctor who tries his best to treat
Raj Kapoor. To showcase his serious character, he is also shown
with spectacles.

I believe that was the only time when Pran played a positive,
sympathetic character.

Afzal

Naseer

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Apr 15, 2021, 2:17:58 PM4/15/21

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muHtaram Afzal SaaHib, aadaab.

I have seen a number of old or relatively old Indian films in the past and I think I have mentioned in dispatches my likeness for certain male and female characters (heroes and heroines). I might be mistaken but as a general rule, I have n't made an active effort to see an Indian (or Pakistani film for that matter) during the last two decades or more. I am a stickler for good acting and accurate pronunciation of dialogue. That is the reason I have no time for Shahrukh Khan's film Devdas and his Paarvati. As for knowing the film and its dialogue in detail, you know one has access to modern "technology" (Youtube) and I just played the part of the film when Devdas disembarks at the railway station and hires local transport to go to his beloved Paaro's village. It is another matter that Devdas, along with Madhumati are two of my favourite Dilip Kumar and Vyjayanthimala films. I have seen it a number of times, in installments, although any member of my family will say I have seen it "hundreds of times"!:-)

I would have thought that the last scene of Devdas would be based on Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay's Bengali novel and hence nothing to do with "Aah"'s story. I have seen the song scene with Mukesh as the Tonga-vaalaa but, Afzal SaaHib, is there any comparison in the intensity of the climax of Devdas, especially the death scene of "Deva" with the scene from "Aah"? The only person who has come close in acting out the last few breaths is Marlon Brando in "Mutiny on the Bounty" when he has been badly burnt and is uttering his last few words with the mutineers and his beloved Maimiti. It is an incredible scene.

By the way, I do think both Nargis and Raj Kapoor were excellent actors. I went "off" Raj Kapoor when he started being Charlie Chaplin!:-) In Andaaz, he stood out as a better actor than Dilip Kumar. At least this is how I perceived their interaction.

Naseer

Naseer

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Apr 15, 2021, 5:51:46 PM4/15/21

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Zoya SaaHibah aadaab 3arz hai.

Yes, you are right. Sometimes, due to life circumstances friends drift away and one loses contact and wonders..

vuh suurateN Ilaahii kis des bastiyaaN haiN
ab dekhne ko jin ke aaNkheN tarastiyaaN haiN

Shaidaa

Other times, the contacts are often unidirectional and it would be much better if...

chaahat kaa jab mazah hai kih vuh bhii hoN be-qaraar
donoN taraf ho aag baraabar lagii hu'ii

Zaheer Dehalvi

One could also be unfortunate enough to have friends that Hafeez Jalandhari had..:-)

dekhaa jo khaa ke tiir kamiiN-gaah kii taraf
apne hii dostoN se mulaaqaat ho ga'ii!!!!!!!!

You are lucky to have such a good friend. But you know...

aagaah apnii maut se ko'ii bashar nahiiN
samaan sau baras kaa hai pal kii xabar nahiiN

Hairat Ilahabadi

And when the time comes...

muTThiyoN meN xaak le kar dost aa'e vaqt-i-dafn
zindagii-bhar kii muHabbat kaa silah dene lage!

Saaqib Lakhnavi
.....................................

Naseer

Khalid Siddiqui

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Apr 16, 2021, 9:18:15 AM4/16/21

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Aadaab:
According to my friend Dr. Sohail Maqbool, the first word of the second verse of the last couplet should be:
umar-bhar and not zindagii-bhar. Some one should check it out.
Thanks.
Khalid

Naseer

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Apr 16, 2021, 10:09:39 AM4/16/21

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Khalid SaaHib, aadab 3arz hai.

You and your friend could be right. Let's see if any of our friends can tell us which word keeps the shi3r in metre. I am afraid I have no knowledge on the art of "vazn" apart from keeping my own vazn down!:-)

One thing I do know is that the word is "3umr" and not "3umar". The latter, you will no doubt know is a name.

Naseer

Afzal A. Khan

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Apr 16, 2021, 10:43:51 AM4/16/21

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Mukarramee,

Is aaKH'ri sher men jo "islaaH" ki gayee hai, woh meri
Haqeer raae men nihaayat naa~maqbool qaraar di jaani
chaahiye !

Afzal

Mukarramee,

You have not quoted the complete sher, but only one
misra', which seems to be the second one --- the
radeef being "na poochhiye".

****************

For the time being, I shall not deal with the "portentous"
issue/s raised by you. Instead, I shall only refer to a
a very early post in our Newsgroup.

Nearly 25 years back, a poem was posted in ALUP. And the
gentleman who posted it was one Dr. Ali Minai. I believe
he was a resident of Chicago, US. And, IIRC, he was a
Professor in a University there. Sadly, his presence in
ALUP ceased soon thereafter.

****************

Incidentally, there used to be quite a few participants in our
Newsgroup in those early days, who have since dropped out.
Two other gentlemen I miss greatly are Mirza Fuzuli (surely an
alias) and Janaab Jamil Ahmed Saheb.

****************

I was talking about Dr. Ali Minai. It seems that he had a sort
of familial connection with the late religious scholar and poet
Hazrat Ameer Minai.

Dr. Ali Minai had once posted a poem with the same radeef ---
"na poochhiye". I don't remember now whether he himself was the
author or it had been penned by someone else.

Also, I believe the poem was written in a lighter vein.

It may perhaps be available in the archives --- the time period may
be the late nineties, around 1998 or 1999.

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Jaisa ke aap ba~KHoobi jaan'te haiN, mujhe "sher~goi" se door ka
bhi 'ilaaqa naheeN.....

Lekin un ki nazm dekhne ke b'ad, mere zehn men bhi ek "sher" ki
qism ka KHayaal aaya. Aap bhi mulaaHiza keejiye :

Meri ghazal suni to sabhoN ne yehi kaha
Kya KHoob ki hai harza~saraai, na poochhiye

Shaayad yeh "post" bhi aap ko isi qabeel ki nazar aaye !!

****************

And now, one of my favourite pastimes.....

Remembering a melodious song from an early film......

In or around 1949, a film was released in India. Its title was
"Ek Thi LaRki". It starred veteran leading man Motilal opposite
a young Meena Shorey.

Meena was a Muslim girl who had appeared in a Sohrab Modi film
"Sikandar" a few years earlier. She can be seen in a song from
that film :

Phoolo ! haNso, matwaari kaliyo,
Khilne ki rut aayee aaj
Milne ki rut aayee aaj

****************

Some 16-17 years back, I think I had posted an English rendition of
an Urdu article that I had come across earlier --- it was a sort of
biographical sketch of Meena Shorey. It should be available on ALUP
and/or the music group RMIM.

Meena Shorey passed away on the 3rd September 1987. The "katba" on
her grave contains her name as "Meena KHursheed, duKHtar Barkat Ali".

****************

The abovementioned film, "Ek Thi LaRki", was directed by Roop K.
Shorey. Meena had married him later.

Music for this film was provided by "Vinod". It was the filmi name
of a Christian music director, whose real name was Eric Roberts.

I shall not give any further details. The film itself should be
available on YouTube.

****************

The above film had some nice songs. One was "Lara Lappa, lara lappa,
laai rappaDa", or words to that effect. I believe this song has been
mentioned in one of the recent threads.

Another song was a sort of filmi ghazal :

Ab Haal-e-dil ya Haal-e-jigar, kuchh na poochhiye

Aji bas kuchh na poochhiye

Kit ja laga hai teer-e-nazar, kuchh na poochhiye

Aji bas kuchh na poochhiye

KyoN tez ho rahee haiN, dil ki dhaRkaneN

Mere dil ki dhaRkaneN

KyoN jhuk gayee hai mil ke nazar, kuchh na poochhiye

Aji bas kuchh na poochhiye

Bas itna yaad hai ke nazar se nazar mili,

Nazar se nazar mili

Kya kuchh huwa hai dil pe asar, kuchh na poochhiye

Aji bas kuchh na poochhiye

Hum chal rahe haiN khoj men, manzil ke saath saath

Manzil ke saath saath

Ho ga kahaaN yeh KHatm safar, kuchh na poochhiye

Aji bas kuchh na poochhiye

****************

Afzal

Raj Kumar

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Apr 22, 2021, 5:58:52 PM4/22/21

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***yaaraan-e-maHfil:

chaNd roz qabl aap ne Khaaksaar ke Haalaat-e-ziNdagii ki aek muKhtasar si jhalak dekhi thi; ab aap Khaaksaar ki "manzoom sar-guzasht" suniye!

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1. dosto --- aa’o, suno aaj kahaanii merii
aur phir, bahr-e-Khudaa, voh bhi zabaanii merii

2. muddatoN pahle kisii jurm ki paa’ii thi sazaa
tabhi is "Khaak ke today" pe mujhe aana paRaa

3. vaqt aayaa to baRe zor se maiN chillaayaa
mere maaN-baap huye Khush k 'valii-aihd' aayaa

4. bahneN boleeN "yeh niraa chaaNd ka ik TukRaa hai"
bhaa’i bole "chalo, jaisa bhi hai yeh, achchhaa hai"

5. sab ne mil-jul ke mujhe pyaar se paalaa-posaa
kabhi thapkaa, kabhi gaaloN pe Tikaayaa bosa(h)

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6. bhaabhiyoN ne mujhe seene se lagaayaa barsoN
mere jazbaat ko be-vaj’h jagaayaa barsoN

7. jab bhi miltii theeN, mirii ruuH ko garmaatii theeN
maiN jhijaktaa tha to voh aur qareeb aatii theeN

8. aksar-auqaat mirii peeTh ko saihlaatii theeN
dil machal jaaye to 'bal khaa ke' lipaT jaatii theeN

9. un ki narmii mire eiHsaas ko hai yaad ab tak
un ki garmii mire anfaas ko hai yaad ab tak

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10. jab javaaN-saal hu’aa, Haalat-e-dil aur hi thii
zauq-e-ta'aliim to thaa, Haajat-e-dil aur hi thii

11. aap maaneN k na maaneN, voh zamaana tha Ghazab
log kehte haiN, mire taur-tareeqe the ajab

12. ko’ii bhi mard ho, Khaatir meN naheeN laataa thaa
sinf-e-naazuk ho to yak-laKht pighal jaataa thaa

13. taakne-jhaaNkne meN saal bitaaye kitne
ka'aba-e-dil meN sanam-Khaane banaaye kitne

14. naKhl-e-ummeed tasavvur ne ugaaye kitne
aas ke deep sar-e-raah jalaaye kitne

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15. vaqt kaTtaa gaya, kaTtaa gaya, kaTtaa hi gayaa
maiN musaafir tha, kaRii raah pe chaltaa hi gayaa

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16. daf'atan chhaa ga’ii aakaash pe ghanghor ghaTaa
dil ke kaashane meN, kyaa jaaniye, kyuuN shaNkh bajaa

17. Ghaur se dekha to voh 'hosh-rubaa' saamne thaa
mera matlab hai k maiN "aap ki bhaabhi" se milaa

18. aaKhirish, husn-e-dil-aavez se do-chaar hu’aa
log kahte haiN, burii tar’H se beemaar hu’aa

19. us ki har baat ka, har ghaat ka, voh vaar hu’aa
mard-e-aazaad tha jo, murGh-e-giraftaar hu’aa

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20. maiN tha aur kuNj-e-qafas thaa miri raaHat ke liye
sabhi saamaan baham the miri ishrat ke liye

21. Gham bhi maujood the taz’iin-e-masarrat ke liye
nafs ko kyaa naheeN manzoor mohabbat ke liye

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22. vaqt KaTtaa gaya, kaTtaa gaya, kaTtaa hi gayaa
maiN musaafir tha to phir raah pe chaltaa hi gayaa

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23. ab yeh aalam hai k maHfil bhi hai, tanhaa’ii bhii
bazm-e-aHbaab meN shohrat bhi hai, rusvaa’ii bhii

24. bhaabhiyaaN ab bhi bahut haiN dil-o-jaaN se pyaarii
jin ki aaNkhoN se chhalaktii hai mai-e-sarshaarii

25. jin ki maujuudagi har bazm ko garmaatii hai
jin ki taabaani se lau sham’a ki tharraatii hai

26. jin ki nazroN meN bahut kuchh hai, faqat maiN hi naheeN
aaNkh uThaatii haiN to paRtii hai nazar aur kaheeN

27. phir bhi jab milti haiN, seene se lagaa letaa huuN
apne soye huye bachpan ko jagaa letaa huuN!!!

[Raj Kumar Qais]***

Naseer

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Apr 24, 2021, 12:35:43 PM4/24/21

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janaab-i-Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.

aap ne ba-jaa farmaayaa...

“kaise guzar rahaa hai buRhaapaa, na puuchhiye”. :-) ham to yahii du3aa kar sakte haiN kih 3umr ke is daur meN har ek ko aaraam-o-sukuuN nasiib ho aur jo du3aa kisii nek-baxt ne aap ke bachpan meN dii thii ya3nii "duudhoN nahaa'o aur puutoN phalo", us kii takmiil javaanii se le kar buRhaape aur us se bhii aage tak hotii rahe aur agar maiN aap kii mizaaj-pursii karuuN to aap farmaa'eN..

subH uTh jaam se guzartii hai
shaam dil-aaraam se guzartii hai
3aaqibat kii xabar xudaa jaane
ab to aaraam se guzartii hai!!

apne bachpan aur javaanii kii yaadoN se hameN ruu-shinaas karaane par ham aap ke iHsaan-mand haiN. lagtaa hai kih in donoN advaar meN aap ko kisii se ziyaadah shikaayat nahiiN. is se baRh kar insaan aur kyaa maaNg saktaa hai?

apnii javaanii ke zamaane meN baaGhoN kii gul-gasht aur titliyoN ke ta3aaqub kaa manzar aap ne nihaayat xuub-suuratii se pesh kiyaa hai. mujhe yaqiin hai kih aap jaisaa Hassaas-o-mihrbaan shaxs kisii bhii titlii ko chhuutaa nahiiN ho gaa kyoNkih jaisaa kih sab jaante haiN kih titlii ko bas chhu'aa aur vuh vahiiN Dher ho ga'ii! insaan ke haath bhii to itne zaalim hote haiN! bahut achchaa hu'aa kih aap ne kisii titlii ko pakaRne kii koshish nahiiN kii balkih is ke bar-3aks, titliyoN kii malikah ne aap ko apne daam meN giriftaar kar liyaa! taa-Hayaat! ya3nii 3umr-qaid!

aap kaa qaul-i-zarriN...“vaqt jaisaa bhi tha, kuchh kaT gayaa, kuchh kaaT liyaa”, mere xayaal meN aksar logoN par saadiq aataa hai. balkih..

aap kii merii kahaanii ek hai
kahiye ab maiN kyaa sunaa'uuN kyaa sunuuN

Maikash Akbarabadi

aur agar aap sun_naa hii chaahte haiN to...

mujh se jo puuchhte ho to har Haal shukr hai
yuuN bhii guzar ga'ii mirii vuuN bhii guzar ga'ii

Ashraf Ali Khan FuGhaaN

kabhii kabhhii to yuuN maHsuus hotaa hai kih..

subH hotii hai shaam hotii hai
3umr yuuNhii tamaam hotii hai

Ahmed Hussain Ameerullah Tasleem

aap ke tiisre daur meN kuchh talx HaqiiqatoN kaa zikr hai. ...

piirii meN valvale vuh kahaaN haiN shabaab ke
ik dhuup thii kih saath ga'ii aaftaab ke

Khursheed Akbarabadi

aur dimaaGhii Haalat kaa yih 3aalam hai kih

kisii ke aate hii saaqii ke yih Havaas ga'e
sharaab siix pih Daalii kabaab shiishe meN!:-)

Vaziir Lakhnavi

aap ne Hasiinaa'oN kii qurbat kaa zikr kiyaa hai aur unheN itnaa qariib paayaa hai kih samajh liijiye aap unheN xurd-biin se dekh rahe haiN. lekin Raj Kumar SaaHib, kyaa is tarH un kaa Husn dhuNdlaa nahiiN jaa'e gaa? aur agar aap unheN duur-biin se dekheN ge to "voyeurism" par mabnii aap ke xilaaf parchah kaT saktaa hai! lihaazaa xayaal rakhiye gaa!:-)

aap kaa nek-andesh,

Naseer

Naseer

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Apr 24, 2021, 1:30:21 PM4/24/21

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muHtaramii Afzal SaaHib, aadaab.

The only thread (begun by Padmanabhan Srinagesh April 21, 1999) that I can find with Ali Minai's post on qavvaals is this one. But it does not have "nah puuchhiye" radiif.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/XeEScQcQ35U/m/jo5GCAuKRr0J (Qawwali and Nusrat)

The thread that does have "nah puuchhiye" as a radiif is one that was initiated by you, on May 18, 1999)

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/qxpq1xG3Bz0/m/AzTBvi6W7m0J (A Humorous Poem)

The shi3r that I have quoted is from a Ghazal by Altaaf Gauhar..

kaise guzar ga'ii hai javaanii nah puuchhiye
dil ro rahaa hai kyoN yih kahaanii nah puuchhiye

barbaad kar diyaa hai dil-i-daaGh-daar ne
merii kahaanii merii zabaanii nah puuchhiye

kyaa puuchhte ho 3ishq meN ham kaise luT ga'e
yih ho chukii hai baat puraanii nah puuchhiye

Altaaf jis ne dunyaa ko begaanah kar diyaa
aa'ii thii ek raat suhaanii nah puuchhiye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lXA39OTJA&ab_channel=tauseefqau (Ustad Amanat Ali Khan)

...........................................................................................................

Thank you for posting the filmii Ghazal, "ab Haal-i-dil yaa Haal-i-jigar kuchh nah puuchhiye". Muhammad Rafi aur Lata Mangeshkar kii aavaazeN! kuchh nah puuchhiye!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOTMbd0Gx4&ab_channel=LataMangeshkar-Topic

"laaraa" is Punjabi for a false promise. "lappaa", I think is just padding. Another Punjabi "word of the day" for you. "haaND"....a wasted journey.

"aDDii" is eRii (heel). I presume "aDDii-Tappa" means to "evade" (TapNRaa means to cross).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmF5M3MjPog&ab_channel=ShemarooVintage

Naseer

Afzal A. Khan

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Apr 24, 2021, 3:50:33 PM4/24/21

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Mukarramee,

You have mentioned the word "laara" and explained its
meaning too........

A few of our friends may not perhaps see the word's
connection with the filmi song quoted above.

There is another song in the film {"Laara Lappa"} where
a group of girls enters the room, singing the line :

"De kar jhooTe laare". {It is like a double emphasis.}

Also, IIRC, they (or at least some of them) are supposed
to be "anglo-Indians --- whatever that may mean !). And
these girls sing this line in a somewhat exaggerated
"English" style. It sounds more like "laure" !

The late Meena Shorey was a tall, fair, strapping Punjabi
girl. And, in this song (and the film) was dressed
in a traditional shalwaar suit. (Now, let us not renew
the old dispute about "shalwaar" !!)

I think, she had also appeared opposite Ajit (real name
Hamid Ali Khan, a Hyderababdi Pathan) in the film "Dholak".

Afzal

Afzal A. Khan

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On 4/24/2021 12:30 PM, Naseer wrote:

MuHibbee,

As usual, you have correctly found out and identified tha
thread I had in mind......

And that is the thread initiated by Yours Truly on the
18th May 1999.

I should apologize for my initial error in attributing (or,
rather, for 'originating') the thread to Ali Minai Saheb.

Thanks once again.

Afzal

Naseer

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muHtaram Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab 3arz haiu-

Thank you for gracing ALUP with your "manzuum sar-guzasht". It is a very fine nazm indeed that takes us from your arrival on this planet, your youth, your prime of life, your chases, loves and romances, your captivity (marriage:-)) and your current life! What a whirlwind journey!

Now to one or two comments...

2. muddatoN pahle kisii jurm ki paa’ii thi sazaa
tabhi is "Khaak ke today" pe mujhe aana paRaa

Is this hearkening to a past life, that is to say "reincarnation". But, I thought "Qais" did n't believe in this sort of thing? Somehow I feel as if I have read this nazm before. In my past life?:-) I don't know. Perhps, I have been watching the film "Madhumati" too many times!

3. vaqt aayaa to baRe zor se maiN chillaayaa
mere maaN-baap huye Khush k 'valii-aihd' aayaa

Is it not true that the eldest prince normally takes the place of his father, the king, on the throne? From what you have told us in the pages of ALUP, you had brothers who were older than you. So, how come you are claiming to be a "valii-3ahd"? Did you have it in your mind to carry out a coup right from the first day?:-) Surely not! (By the way, I don't doubt one little bit at your royal descent! Otherwise, why would your name be Raj Kumar?!)

4. bahneN boleeN "yeh niraa chaaNd ka ik TukRaa hai"
bhaa’i bole "chalo, jaisa bhi hai yeh, achchhaa hai"

What I have said earlier seems to me to be based on well founded fears!:-) . Your brothers, in your eyes, are "baraadaraan-i-Yusuf"! They do not appear to be overly excited at your arrival! Or, have I completely got the wrong end of the stick?

13. taakne-jhaaNkne meN saal bitaaye kitne
ka'aba-e-dil meN sanam-Khaane banaaye kitne

Exquisite!

12. ko’ii bhi mard ho, Khaatir meN naheeN laataa thaa
sinf-e-naazuk ho to yak-laKht pighal jaataa thaa

Very natural reaction, if I may say so!

17. Ghaur se dekha to voh 'hosh-rubaa' saamne thaa
mera matlab hai k maiN "aap ki bhaabhi" se milaa

thaa!? thaa!? I thought you were a "thii" believer and did not believe in the use of "thaa"! Perhaps I don't know you well enough, Raj Kumar SaaHib!

Now, Raj Kumar SaaHib, I have to make a confession. I did not quite find the ash3aar mentioning "bhaabiyaaN" all that comfortable. Surely, it must be my perception.

23. ab yeh aalam hai k maHfil bhi hai, tanhaa’ii bhii
bazm-e-aHbaab meN shohrat bhi hai, rusvaa’ii bhii

"rusvaa'ii"? Never! Never ever! There is nothing but love and affection from all your aHbaab!! And that includes me!

xair-andesh,

Naseer

Raj Kumar

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> janaab-i-Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.
>
> aap ne ba-jaa farmaayaa...
>
> “kaise guzar rahaa hai buRhaapaa, na puuchhiye”. :-) ham to yahii du3aa kar sakte haiN kih 3umr ke is daur meN har ek ko aaraam-o-sukuuN nasiib ho aur jo du3aa kisii nek-baxt ne aap ke bachpan meN dii thii ya3nii "duudhoN nahaa'o aur puutoN phalo", us kii takmiil javaanii se le kar buRhaape aur us se bhii aage tak hotii rahe

***janaab-e-man, aap ki du'aa'eN hamesha samar-var saabit hu'ii haiN aur yaqeenan aa'iNda bhi hoti raheN gi!***

> aur agar maiN aap kii mizaaj-pursii karuuN to aap farmaa'eN..
>
> subH uTh jaam se guzartii hai
> shaam dil-aaraam se guzartii hai
> 3aaqibat kii xabar xudaa jaane
> ab to aaraam se guzartii hai!!
>

*** huzuur, sub'H-dam to idhar coffee chalti hai aur jis "nuur-e-saiyaal" ka zikr aap ne kiyaa hai us ke liye to mujhe Khud apna aek she'r yaad aa rahaa hai:

lenii paRii hai baada-e-gulfaam kii panaah
bahkaa rahii thi shaam se terii nazar mujhe

goyaa, yeh shaGhl to tabhi hota hai jab shafaq se paiGhaam aaye k ----- "vaqt-e-tuluu'a-e-jaam hai, Duub rahaa hai aaftaab"!***

> apne bachpan aur javaanii kii yaadoN se hameN ruu-shinaas karaane par ham aap ke iHsaan-mand haiN. lagtaa hai kih in donoN advaar meN aap ko kisii se ziyaadah shikaayat nahiiN. is se baRh kar insaan aur kyaa maaNg saktaa hai?

***vaaqe'ii, mujhe kabhi bhi kisi qism ki shikaayat karne ki zaruurat maHsuus nahiiN hu'ii ------ is liye k

sab kuchh Khudaa se maaNg liyaa tujh ko maaNg kar
uThte nahiiN haiN haath mire is du'aa ke ba'ad***

> apnii javaanii ke zamaane meN baaGhoN kii gul-gasht aur titliyoN ke ta3aaqub kaa manzar aap ne nihaayat xuub-suuratii se pesh kiyaa hai. mujhe yaqiin hai kih aap jaisaa Hassaas-o-mihrbaan shaxs kisii bhii titlii ko chhuutaa nahiiN ho gaa kyoNkih jaisaa kih sab jaante haiN kih titlii ko bas chhu'aa aur vuh vahiiN Dher ho ga'ii! insaan ke haath bhii to itne zaalim hote haiN! bahut achchaa hu'aa kih aap ne kisii titlii ko pakaRne kii koshish nahiiN kii balkih is ke bar-3aks, titliyoN kii malikah ne aap ko apne daam meN giriftaar kar liyaa! taa-Hayaat! ya3nii 3umr-qaid!
>

***bajaa farmaaya aap ne k is "mard-e-aazaad" ne jab "murGh-e-giraftaar" ka ruup dhaaraa to, vaqt ke saath saath,
"itne maanuus sayyaad se ho gaye, ab rihaa'ii milii to kidhar jaa'eN ge?" vaalaa aalam zuhuur-pazeer hu'aa.

B/W, did you ever hear a singer saying "maayuus" instead of "maanuus" here? At least I have!*** :-(

> aap kaa qaul-i-zarriN...“vaqt jaisaa bhi tha, kuchh kaT gayaa, kuchh kaaT liyaa”, mere xayaal meN aksar logoN par saadiq aataa hai.
>

***yeh meri sarfaraazi hai, janaab, k aap ne mere is misr'e ko "qaul-e-zarriiN" ka daraja ataa kiyaa. dar asl, yeh qaul-e-saadiq pahli baar meri nazm "yeh aashiyaaN hamaara (1999)" kahte vaqt naazil hu'aa tha. ba'ad-az-aaN, jis ne bhi is qaul ko sunaa yaa ise paRhaa, daad diye baGhair na rah sakaa!***

>
> aap kii merii kahaanii ek hai
> kahiye ab maiN kyaa sunaa'uuN kyaa sunuuN
>
> Maikash Akbarabadi

***aisi hi baat usi shahr ke aek aur shaa'ir ne bhi kahi hai:

kahaanii apni ruu-daad-e-jahaaN ma'aluum hotii hai
jo suntaa hai, usii kii daastaaN ma'aluum hotii hai
[Seemaab A.]***

> aap ke tiisre daur meN kuchh talx HaqiiqatoN kaa zikr hai. ...
>
> piirii meN valvale vuh kahaaN haiN shabaab ke
> ik dhuup thii kih saath ga'ii aaftaab ke
>
> Khursheed Akbarabadi

***vaah, vaah, jii Khush ho gayaa yeh she'r paRh kar! baat "aaftaab" ki aur voh bhi "Khursheed" ki zabaani aur Khursheed bhi usii shar ka jahaaN Seemaab ne janm liyaa thaa!!!

rahi baat "valvaloN" ki to aap ko yaad hoga k kuchh arsa pahle maiN ne Qais Adamabadi ki voh Ghazal DhuuND nikaali thi jis ka maqt'a mash_huur-e-do-aaalam ho gayaa tha ----- vuhi "charaaGhoN meN raushanii na rahii" vaalaa. us Ghazal meN se aek she'r chhuT gayaa tha, jo mundaraja-baalaa she'r ke pahle misr'e ko jilaa deta hai; samaa'at farmaaiye

jo aasmaaN ko hilaa deN, voh valvale na rahe
jo maut ko bhi sulaa de, voh ziNdagii na rahii***

> aur dimaaGhii Haalat kaa yih 3aalam hai kih
>
> kisii ke aate hii saaqii ke yih Havaas ga'e
> sharaab siix pih Daalii kabaab shiishe meN!:-)
>
> Vaziir Lakhnavi
>

***mere Khayaal meN, is she'r ke pahle misr'e meN "yih" ki bajaaye "yuuN" hona chaahiye. aap ka kyaa Khayaal hai?

ab ijaazat deejiye.

du'aa-go, Raj Kumar***

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> muHtaram Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab 3arz haiu-
>
> Thank you for gracing ALUP with your "manzuum sar-guzasht". It is a very fine nazm indeed that takes us from your arrival on this planet, your youth, your prime of life, your chases, loves and romances, your captivity (marriage:-)) and your current life! What a whirlwind journey!
>

***Thanks for the appreciation, Naseer sahib.***

> Now to one or two comments...

> 2. muddatoN pahle kisii jurm ki paa’ii thi sazaa
> tabhi is "Khaak ke today" pe mujhe aana paRaa

> Is this hearkening to a past life, that is to say "reincarnation". But, I thought "Qais" did n't believe in this sort of thing? Somehow I feel as if I have read this nazm before. In my past life?:-) I don't know. Perhaps, I have been watching the film "Madhumati" too many times!
>
***You are right that I myself do not believe in this 'hocus-pocus'; however, while writing poetry, I sometimes prefer to use terms that (regardless of my beliefs or non-beliefs) are readily understandable to the readers.***

> 3. vaqt aayaa to baRe zor se maiN chillaayaa
> mere maaN-baap huye Khush k 'valii-aihd' aayaa

> Is it not true that the eldest prince normally takes the place of his father, the king, on the throne? From what you have told us in the pages of ALUP, you had brothers who were older than you. So, how come you are claiming to be a "valii-3ahd"?
>

***Because I was the most favorite son of my father. He loved me a lot because I was the most handsome, the most playful and, in his view, the most intelligent of all his sons. This, and the fact that he named me Raaj Kumaar, gave me the air of a valii-aihd! :-)

> 4. bahneN boleeN "yeh niraa chaaNd ka ik TukRaa hai"
> bhaa’i bole "chalo, jaisa bhi hai yeh, achchhaa hai"

> What I have said earlier seems to me to be based on well founded fears!:-) . Your brothers, in your eyes, are "baraadaraan-i-Yusuf"! They do not appear to be overly excited at your arrival! Or, have I completely got the wrong end of the stick?
>

***Let's not read too much between the lines, my friend. This statement simply reflects on the sweet, charming care that my sisters bestowed on me in contrast to that given by my brothers.***

> 13. taakne-jhaaNkne meN saal bitaaye kitne
> ka'aba-e-dil meN sanam-Khaane banaaye kitne

> Exquisite!

.
***shukriya, janaab.***

> 12. ko’ii bhi mard ho, Khaatir meN naheeN laataa thaa
> sinf-e-naazuk ho to yak-laKht pighal jaataa thaa

> Very natural reaction, if I may say so!
>

***Indeeed, a very natural reaction ----------- but my emphasis lay on the word 'yak-laKht'!*** :--)

> 17. Ghaur se dekha to voh 'hosh-rubaa' saamne thaa
> mera matlab hai k maiN "aap ki bhaabhi" se milaa

> thaa!? thaa!? I thought you were a "thii" believer and did not believe in the use of "thaa"! Perhaps I don't know you well enough, Raj Kumar SaaHib!
>

***I am indeed a "thii" believer but just note that had I written "thii" here then in the second misr'a (for rhyming sake), I would have to write "milii". I wonder what reaction you would have had to that!*** :-)

> Now, Raj Kumar SaaHib, I have to make a confession. I did not quite find the ash3aar mentioning "bhaabiyaaN" all that comfortable. Surely, it must be my perception.
>

***Take it easy, Naseer sahib. This mention was intended not only to reflect the reality of the situation but also to throw in some "Punjabiyat" into my composition --- in the same way as the celebrated writer Mulk Raj Anand did with his short stories written in English. This mode of a talk may be unfamiliar to Urduwaalaahs but not so to the readers of the Punjabi literature.***

> 23. ab yeh aalam hai k maHfil bhi hai, tanhaa’ii bhii
> bazm-e-aHbaab meN shohrat bhi hai, rusvaa’ii bhii

> "rusvaa'ii"? Never! Never ever! There is nothing but love and affection from all your aHbaab!! And that includes me!
>

***yeh baat kah kar to aap ne mera jii Khush kar diyaa! :-)

du'aa-go, Raj Kumar***