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vijay...@gmail.com

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Sep 6, 2019, 12:56:42 PM9/6/19
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Dear all,

Tomorrow, I will be going away for a couple of months. As many a time I will be 'off line', my presence here will be somewhat erratic.

Best regards to all,

Vijay
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Naseer

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Sep 6, 2019, 1:16:49 PM9/6/19
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I suppose an "erratic" presence is preferable to a "hiatus". The timing of both is somewhat suspicious though!:-)

Naseer

vijay...@gmail.com

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Sep 6, 2019, 1:24:33 PM9/6/19
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Not really. I think hiatus, as far as I could see, is for health reasons, with a specific date of return. (?Hospital). My being away, you had known before through a PM. Why do you think I am glued to the net so much today?:-) (Not just to ALUP BTW).


Best,

VIjay

Anil Kala

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Sep 26, 2019, 2:01:51 AM9/26/19
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Dear All

I too will be leaving for my village to spend a month in clean rejuvenating atmosphere away from madness of megatown. Accessing phone or net is a problem there, I will have to climb nearest hill top to access the net, so will be visiting this group on and off.

Hopefully after Diwali by which time all the noisy festivals will be over as well as my village will become too chilly for my liking, I will be back.

Best regards

Anil Kala

Naseer

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Nov 13, 2019, 6:53:29 AM11/13/19
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On Friday, 6 September 2019 17:56:42 UTC+1, vijay...@gmail.com wrote:
Vijay SaaHib, aap ke do mahiine chhe November ko puure ho ga'e haiN. ab ek haftah guzar gayaa hai aur aap ab tak Ghair-Haazir haiN! jald az jald Haazirii diijiye varnah ALUP ke register se aap kaa naam xaarij kar diyaa jaa'e gaa!:-) aur haaN, jab aap ne Haazir honaa gavaaraa samjhaa, kisii zimme-daar shaxs kii taraf se ek vazaaHatii 3arzii bhii saath laa'iye gaa jis meN aap ke tamaam-tar bahaane darj hoN!

aap kaa muntazir,

Naseer

B.G. M.

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Nov 13, 2019, 10:37:19 AM11/13/19
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The royal decree is, hereby, served!
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zuhr...@gmail.com

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Nov 14, 2019, 11:36:53 AM11/14/19
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ba-qaul Mir.....

jigar-chaaki naakaami dunyaa hai aaKHir
naheeN aa'e jo Meer kuchh kaam hogaa

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Naseer

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Jan 9, 2020, 7:46:34 AM1/9/20
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dostaan-i-giraamii,

ek do din ke ba3d maiN apne "maqaam" se chhuTTii par jaa rahaa huuN aur kam az kam tiin chaudahviiN kii raateN guzaarne ke ba3d hii vaa-pas aane kaa iraadah hai. Insha Allah.

is firaaq ke dauraan mumkin hai kabhii-kabhaar vasl bhii ho. ho saktaa hai kih mere Ghaa'ib hone ke ba3d Vijay SaaHib jalvah-afroz ho jaa'eN. lekin is kaa yih matlab nahiiN kih vuh meraa ni3mu_lbadal haiN!

DhuuNDo ge agar mulkoN mulkoN milne ke nahiiN naa-yaab haiN ham
jo yaad nah aa'e bhuul ke phir, ai ham-nafso vuh xvaab haiN ham

Shad Azimabadi

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dostoN kii muHabbat kaa asiir

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Afzal A. Khan

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Jan 9, 2020, 12:24:28 PM1/9/20
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Mukarramee,

Allah(SWT) se du'aa hai ke Woh aap ki "taa'teelaat" ke yeh din
ba-KHair-o-KHoobi guzaare aur aap ke tamaam maqaasid ki takmeel
farmaaye. Aameen.

Jaate jaate, ek "nitpick" !


Shouldn't this be "hum~nafaso" ?


************************


You have mentioned "Teen ChaudhveeN". You must have meant three
fortnights. But the word "chaudhveeN" recalls to mind another
word that is closely associated with it, viz. "ChaaNd".

Is munaasibat se (Madame) Noor JahaaN ka yeh gaana aapki nazar
hai. Jo film "Dupatta' ka hai. Yeh gaana India men bhi bahut
maqbool saabit huwa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIRA-vhpkps



Afzal


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Naseer

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Jan 10, 2020, 12:31:28 PM1/10/20
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Thank you for your supplicatory words, Afzal SaaHib.

By three "chaudahviin raateN", I was implying I would be away for at least three months.

ham-nafs vs ham-nafas

I am aware of nafs/soul and nafas/breath but I thought of deleting the schwa as often happens in our speech, e.g pakaR > pakRaa and not pakaRaa, qalam > qalmii and not qalamii. Having said this Platts seems to agree with both,

هم ham (p. 1234) ...Sitting, or conversing, with (another); — one who sits or converses with (another); — a companion; — a playmate (syn. ham-jolī): — ham-nafs, s.m. A friend, an intimate companion: — ham-nafas, adj. Consonant (with); in concord, harmonious: — ham-namak, s.m. (lit. 'of the same salt'), A messmate: — ham-nawāla, adj. & s.m...

"chaaNdnii raateN" sung by Nur Jahan is one of my favourite songs, not because it is a lovely song but also because it reminds of those "chaaNdnii raateN" of my childhood which don't seem to be the same anymore. I don't know whether it is the foggy (read poluted) atmosphere or my suffering another nostalgia strike/stroke!

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Afzal A. Khan

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Jan 10, 2020, 2:30:32 PM1/10/20
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Makarramee,

I wish I was a sort of money-lender who could have told you
" ji naheeN; aap ko itni taweel muhlat naheeN di ja sakti."

Lekin kya kareN, majboori hai. Even otherwise, charging of
interest (a characteristic of money-lenders) is strictly a "no-no"
in our religion.

In the circumstances, I can only repeat my "supplicatory" words.


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"Schwas" --> As far as I know, this is strictly a non-Urdu
term. Please see the following "definition" :

The mid-central, neutral vowel sound typically occurring
in unstressed syllables in ENGLISH (caps by me), as the
sound of 'a' in 'alone' and 'sofa' or 'u' in circus.



BTW, I am pretty sure poor Shaad Saheb had never heard of this
word ("schwas").


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Also, "nafas' ---> (singular, masculine)

Breath, respiration

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Indeed, there is an Urdu ghazal written by Shakeel Badayuni
and sung by Begum Akhtar :

Mere hum~nafas, mere hum~nawa
Mujhe dost ban ke daGHa na de

MaiN hooN dard-e-'ishq se jaaN~ba'lab
Mujhe zindagi ki du'aa na de


A YouTube link for this ghazal is given below :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxdV4NBtfrA&feature=emb_err_watch_on_yt



What do other ALUPers think ?




Afzal








































Raj Kumar

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Jan 10, 2020, 4:24:21 PM1/10/20
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> By three "chaudahviin raateN", I was implying I would be away for at least three months.
>

***As far as I understand, "teen chaudahviiN raateN" means "three LUNAR months". I won't like it if you extend this period to even "three SOLAR months"!

So, please, be advised that "the judges and the jury of ALUP" are in no mood to let you extend your time of "parole" from the sweet little "ziNdaan-e-ALUP" beyond the stipulated period of "three LUNAR months"!

R.K.***




Naseer

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Apr 1, 2020, 7:18:51 AM4/1/20
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muHtaram Afzal SaaHib.

A lovely Ghazal sung exquisitely!

Naseer

Naseer

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Apr 27, 2020, 10:45:04 AM4/27/20
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Dear Alupers,

Just to give you the news. I AM BACK!:-)

Naseer

B.G. M.

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Apr 27, 2020, 12:36:54 PM4/27/20
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Welcome back, janaab-e-‘Aali!

Ab aa hi gaye haiN to miri guzaarish mat bhuulnaa!
(Jee wohii.. Fariduddin Attari waali)

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Zoya

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Apr 28, 2020, 1:59:46 PM4/28/20
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Welcome back, Naseer sahib! :)

Afzal A. Khan

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Apr 28, 2020, 11:51:04 PM4/28/20
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No nit-pick, but are you referring to Fareeduddin 'Attaar ?

I thought he was a Faarsi poet.


We would also be grateful if you can elaborate on your
"guzaarish". Because of the time-lapse, at least I have forgotten
all about it.


Let me join you in welcoming our dear friend Naseer Saheb.


Afzal

Irfan Abid

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Apr 29, 2020, 10:46:30 PM4/29/20
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Naseer sb, aadaab arz hai!

bazm meN aap kii vaapasii par aap kaa Khair-maqdam kartaa huuN.

niyaazmand,
Irfan :Abid:

Naseer

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May 15, 2021, 12:56:13 PM5/15/21
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Vijay SaaHib, did you say 2 months? It's been a year and eight months? kahaaN ho bhaa'ii? sab xair to hai?

Naseer

Naseer

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May 15, 2021, 12:59:42 PM5/15/21
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kaun galii gayo Shyaam*?

* Marut Shyam. One of many names employed by Anil Kala SaaHib.

Naseer

Naseer

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Mar 13, 2022, 4:47:01 AM3/13/22
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Friends, aadaab.

You will remember, in September 2019 Vijay SaaHib posted this thread informing us he'll be absent from ALUP for a period of 2 months and perhaps with the odd appearence. Later the same month Kala SaaHib also mentioned in this thread that he was returning to his home village for a month. In May 2021, Afzal SaaHib began a thread with the title Iltimaas in which he told us about his ill health. After that he posted a couple of threads in July 2021 and he has not been seen since.

I sent two emails to Vijay SaaHib in May 2020 and May 2021 but did not receive any reply. I do not have an email address for Kala SaaHib and hence have not been able to make an attempt at contacting him. The last time I was in contact with Afzal SaaHib by email was in May 2021. Since that date I sent him emails in June, July and September 2021 but have received no response. I know all of you have been missing them just as much as I. Raj Kumar SaaHib has expressed his grave concern in a private message to me.

I pray to God that all these three gentlemen are well and they will give us a joyful surprise upon their entry back into this forum!

Best regards,
Naseer

Zoya

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Mar 15, 2022, 10:46:49 AM3/15/22
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On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 3:47:01 AM UTC-5, Naseer wrote:

> I pray to God that all these three gentlemen are well and they will give us a joyful surprise upon their entry back into this forum!

> Naseer

Amen.

Raj Kumar

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Apr 5, 2022, 11:36:26 PM4/5/22
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***yaaraan-e-maHfil:

hazaar koshish ke ba'ad, bil-aaKhir mera raabita Vijay sahib ke saath ho hi gayaa. aap sabhoN ko yeh jaan kar Khushii hogi k aaN-janaab har liHaaz se ruu-ba-seHat haiN; goyaa, hameN un ki jaanib se kisii qism ki tashviish nahiiN honi chaahiye! :-)

is zimn meN, yeh bhi arz kar duun k Vijay sahib "social media" se kuchh gurezaaN se ho gaye haiN ---- Khaas kar "Cambridge Analytica scandal" ke ba'ad. az-rah-e-masliHat, maiN ne unheN ALUP par lauT aane ke liye zor nahiiN diyaa --- at least not for now!

is Khabar ke ba'ad maiN ummeed rakhne lagaa huuN k Afzaal sahib aur Anil saahib bhi apni apni jagah ruu-ba-seHat hoN ge.

bas, aaj maiN aap ko yihii Khush-Khabari sunaanne ke liye Haazir hu'aa thaa. agar aap ko she'r sun_ne ka shauq hai to, lage haathoN, aek mutafarriq she'r arz kiye deta huuN; arz hai k

tez jaanaa ho to phir Qais akelaa hi bhalaa
duur jaanaa ho to phir saath kisii ko le le!

Khair-aNdesh, Raj Kumar***

Naseer

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Apr 6, 2022, 4:17:39 AM4/6/22
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Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.

is xhvush-xabarii ke liye ham sab aap ke shukr-guzaar haiN. Vijay SaaHib, jahaaN bhii haiN xhvush aur salaamat raheN. hamaare liye bas itnaa hii kaafii hai.

Naseer

Dinesh Shenoy

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Apr 7, 2022, 12:11:58 AM4/7/22
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>
> tez jaanaa ho to phir Qais akelaa hi bhalaa
> duur jaanaa ho to phir saath kisii ko le le!
>
> Khair-aNdesh, Raj Kumar***

Beautiful, Raj Kumar sahib.

Dinesh

Raj Kumar

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Apr 7, 2022, 8:38:07 PM4/7/22
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***Thanks, Dinesh sahib!

R.K.***

Zoya

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Apr 8, 2022, 5:18:27 PM4/8/22
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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:36:26 PM UTC-5, Raj Kumar wrote:

> ***yaaraan-e-maHfil:
>
> hazaar koshish ke ba'ad, bil-aaKhir mera raabita Vijay sahib ke saath ho hi gayaa. aap sabhoN ko yeh jaan kar Khushii hogi k aaN-janaab har liHaaz se ruu-ba-seHat haiN; goyaa, hameN un ki jaanib se kisii qism ki tashviish nahiiN honi chaahiye! :-)

RK sahib,

This is great news. Thank you so much for sharing. :)

> is zimn meN, yeh bhi arz kar duun k Vijay sahib "social media" se kuchh gurezaaN se ho gaye haiN ---- Khaas kar "Cambridge Analytica scandal" ke ba'ad. az-rah-e-masliHat, maiN ne unheN ALUP par lauT aane ke liye zor nahiiN diyaa --- at least not for now!

aap ne to zor nahiiN diyaa, but please allow me to do so! When you talk to Vijay sahib again, (notice I am saying when, not if), pehle to aap meraa salaam kahiye gaa. aur phir yeh paighaam k - Alup is not a typical social media platform, we are like extended family. He can't just ghost us, not done. No. Please tell him, how much we have been worrying about his well being. We can't handle it anymore, apni umr aur meri naazuk mizaaji kaa vaasta diijiye ga. aur haaN, yeh baateN Khuub baRhaa chaRhaa kar kiijiye gaa, aur biich meN dard-e hijr vaghairah ke do chaar asha'ar bhi sunaa diijiye gaa. :-)

> is Khabar ke ba'ad maiN ummeed rakhne lagaa huuN k Afzaal sahib aur Anil saahib bhi apni apni jagah ruu-ba-seHat hoN ge.

Yes, we hope so too.

> bas, aaj maiN aap ko yihii Khush-Khabari sunaanne ke liye Haazir hu'aa thaa. agar aap ko she'r sun_ne ka shauq hai to, lage haathoN, aek mutafarriq she'r arz kiye deta huuN; arz hai k

> tez jaanaa ho to phir Qais akelaa hi bhalaa
> duur jaanaa ho to phir saath kisii ko le le!

Kya baat hai Raj uncle, bahut Khuub.This she'r has many subtle shades, I am still trying to absorb it fully. Very nice.

> Khair-aNdesh, Raj Kumar***

Thanks again.

_______Zoya

Irfan Abid

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Apr 10, 2022, 2:33:49 PM4/10/22
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Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

I join you in thanking RK sb for sharing the news of Vijay sb's welfare and requesting him to request Vijay sb to grace this forum again.

Irfan :Abid:
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