Ghalib Mir kaa Khausha-cheeN?
Zafar
aaj tak is behes kaa faisila naheeN ho sakaa k Urdu kaa sab se baRaa
shaa'ir kon hai: Mir yaa Ghalib. zaahir hai hamaaraa he martaba to
naheeN k us qazeeye ko nimTaa sakeN, taaham is mazmoon meN ham is baat
kaa jaaiza leN ge k Ghalib ne Mir ke "gulshan e Kashmir" se kis had
tak Khausha-cheenee kee hai. is post meN zaahir hai k ziaadah
tafseelee behes to naheeN ho saktee, taahaam meree kaushish ho gee k
kam alfaaz meN apnaa matlab wazih kar sakooN. yahaaN ye kehtaa chalooN
k is mazmoon ke likhne kee tehreek janaab Sarwar kee haaliya series
"ash'aar meN zubaan o bayaan kee mumaasilat" ko paRh kar huwee.
bazaahir Mir aur Ghalib 2 muKhtalif maktaba haa e fikr ke sho'araa
haiN: Mir kaa kalaam aur taKhayyul bai-had zameenee aur "down to
earth" hai jab k Ghalib kee fikr e rasaa kaa humaa aafaaq e bai-baseet
kee Khabar laataa hai. Mir zubaan ke fikree aur naamiyaatee (organic)
anaasir ko Khalaaqaana chaabuk-dastee se barat-te haiN. is zimn meN wo
kaheeN kaheeN bilkul aamiyaana aur baazaaree alfaaz bhee istai'maal se
bhee daraiGh naheeN karte; jab k Ghalib ke haaN zubaan kaa takalluf
aur "sophistication" apne urooj par nazar aatee hai. Mir Farsi kee
taraakeeb ko bhee Prakratee (Indian) andaaz se apne kalaam kaa hissa
banaate haiN jab k Ghalib Prakrat ko bhee Farsi banaa dete haiN.
Ghalib ke haaN fikr aur tajreediyat (abstractism) kee kaar-farmaaee
nazar aatee hai jab ke Mir ke haaN ihsaas aur jazbaat mauj-zan haiN.
Mir ke haaN "aashiqee" qadr e a'ala hai, jab k Ghalib ke haaN
"zindagee". Firaq ne apne aik mazmoon meN farmaayaa hai k Ghalib kaa
Gham "Ghalib kaa Gham" hai, jab k Mir kaa Gham "pooree insaaniyat kaa
Gham" hai. Ghalib umooman apne mauzoo'aat par Khud musalit hote haiN
jab k Mir apne mehsoosaat o mauzo'aat ko apne oopar taaree kar lete
haiN.
Sardaar Jafri ke baqaul Mir ke aashiq meN aik mazloom aur jhunjalaaye
huwe aadamee kaa jazba e intiqaam hai jab ke Ghalib ke aashiq meN
Khud-pasandee aur anaaneeyat hai.
mandarja baalaa guzaarishaat kee raushanee meN Mir aur Ghalib bazaahir
dariyaa ke 2 kinaare lagte haiN. lekin agar Ghaur se dekhaa jaaye to
kaee jagah donoN ke haaN gehree mumaasilat bhee paayee jaatee hai.
dar'asl Mir aur Ghalib donoN kee fikree saaKht yaksaaN thee. donoN
azeem sho'araa ke haaN ma'anee-aafareenee kaa nuktaa mushtarik hai:
donoN ke haaN she'r kaa husn kasrat e ma'aanee,
"multi-dimentionality", paich-daaree aur Khayaal kee pehloo-daaree kaa
unsar numaayaaN hai.
Mir se pehle Urdu sha'iree meN koee qaabil e taqleed misaal maujood
naheeN thee, Ghalib ke saamne Mir the, aur is baat meN koee shak
naheeN k Ghalib ne Mir se istifaada kiyaa hai. Nasir Kazmi kehte haiN
k "Mir ke pehle taKhleeqee talib e ilm Ghalib hee the". lekin Ghalib
ke istifaade meN naqaalee kee bajaaye aik taKhleeqee shaan miltee hai.
balke unhoN ne Mir kee alaao se apnaa jo chiraaGh jalaayaa hai, wo
aksar Mir se raushan tar niklaa hai.
riwaayat mash-hoor hai k Mir ne aik baar nau-umr Ghalib ke ash'aar
dekh kar kahaa thaa k is laRke ko agar koee ustaad e kaamil mayassir
aagaya to lajawaab shaa'ir ban jaaye gaa, warna muhmil bakne lage gaa
(yahaaN ye wazaahat k jadeed tehqeeq is riwaayat kee sehet ko tasleem
naheeN kartee). Ghalib ko koee haqeeqee ustaad to naheeN mil sakaa
lekin unhoN ne Mir hee ko apnaa roohaanee ustaad banaa kar wo sha'iree
kee hai jo har daur meN aafaaqee rahe gee.
is taweel tamheed ke ba'ad ab maiN aap kee Khidmat meN chand asha'aar
paish kartaa hooN jin meN Ghalib ne Mir se istifaada kiyaa hai. kaheeN
ye istifaada Khayaal kee had tak hai aur kaheeN usloob aur andaaz e
bayaan meN (is post meN Mir kee radeef "alif" ke ash'aar shaamil haiN,
doosree radeefaiN aglee post meN paish kee jaayaiN gee. aik aur baat
ye k Mir ke kalaam meN kaee Ghair-maanoos alfaaz milte haiN, mere paas
"Farhang e Kuliyaat e Mir" maujood hai, agar koee lafz wazih na ho to
mujhe us kaa matlab post kar ke Khushee ho gee):
Mir:
maiN nau-dameeda baal chaman zaad tair thaa
par ghar se uTh chala so giriftaar ho gayaa
Ghalib:
pinhaaN thaa daam e saKht qareeb aasheeyaan ke
uRne na paaye the k giriftaar ham huwe
Mir:
jigar meN hee yak qatra KhooN hai sarishk
jigar tak gayaa to talaatum kiayaa
-------
aansoo to Dar se pee gaye lekin wo qatraa aab
ik aag tan badan meN hamaare lagaa gayaa
Ghalib:
dil meN phir giriyaa ne ik shaur uThaayaa Ghalib
aah jo qatra na niklaa thaa, so toofaaN niklaa
Mir:
dil 'ishq kaa hamaisha hareef e nabard thaa
ab jis jagah k daaGh hai, yaaN aage dard thaa
-------
Gham rahaa jab tak k dam meN dam rahaa
dil ke jaane kaa nihaayat Gham rahaa
(ye Ghazal Mir kee "apnee" handwriting meN is link par mulaahiza kee
jaa saktee hai: http://www.eurdubazaar.com/images/meer/g37.html
Ghalib:
jaatee kabhee hai kashmakash andoh e ishq kee
dil bhee agar gayaa to wahee dil kaa dard thaa
-------
hastee kaa a'etibaar bhee Gham ne miTaa diyaa
dil bhee agar gayaa to wahee dil kaa dard thaa
Mir:
saraahaa un ne teraa haath jin ne dekhaa zaKhm
shaheed hooN maiN tiree taiGh ke lagaane kaa
Ghalib:
nazar lage na kaheeN us ke dast o baazoo ko
ye log kyoN mire zaKhm e jigar ko dekhte haiN
Mir:
garmee e ishq maan'e e nashw o numaa huwee
maiN wo nihaal thaa k ugaa aur jal gayaa
-----
mat kar zameen e dil meN tuKhm e ummeed paidaa
booTaa jo yaaN ugaa hai, so ugte hee jalaa hai
Ghalib:
miree ta'ameer meN muzmir hai ik soorat Kharaabee kee
ha'oolaa barq e Khirman kaa hai Khoon e garm dehqaaN kaa
Mir:
dil se shauq e ruKh e nikoo na gayaa
taanknaa jhaanknaa kabhoo na gayaa
Ghalib:
peeree meN bhee kamee na huwee taank jhaank kee
rozan kee tarha deed kaa aazaar na gayaa
Mir:
ka'ee din salook widaa' kaa, mire darpe e dil zaar thaa
kabhoo dard thaa, kabhoo daaGh thaa, kabhoo zaKhm thaa, kabhoo waar
thaa
Ghalib:
dam liyaa thaa na qayaamat ne hanooz
kyooN tiraa waqt e safar yaad aayaa
Mir:
jab dard e dil kaa kehnaa meN dil meN Thaantaa hooN
kehtaa hai bin sune hee, "maiN Khoob jaantaa hooN!"
Ghalib:
zahe karishma k yooN de rakhaa hai ham ko faraib
k bin kahe hee hamaiN sab Khabar hai, kyaa kaheeye
Mir:
dil ke ta'eeN aatish e hijraaN se bachaayaa na gayaa
ghar jalaa saamne par ham se bachaayaa na gayaa
------
ishq kee sauzish ne dil meN kuchh na chhoRaa, kyaa kaheN
lag gayee ye aag naa-gaahee k bas ghar phuk gayaa
Ghalib:
dil meN zauq e wasl o yaad e yaar tak baaqee naheeN
aag is ghar meN lagee aisee k sab kuchh jal gayaa
Mir:
aatish e taiz e judaa'ee meN yaakaa-yak us bin
dil jalaa yooN k tunuk jee bhee jalaayaa na gayaa
Ghalib:
sho'ale se na hotee hawas sho'ale ne jo kee
jee kis qadar afsurdagee e dil pe jalaa hai
Mir:
kuchh na dekhaa phir bajuz yak sho'ala e pur paich o taab
shama' tak ham ne bhee dekhaa thaa k parwaanaa gayaa
Ghalib:
karne gaye the us se taGhaaful kaa ham gilaa
kee aik hee nigaah k bas Khaak ho gaye
Mir:
sayyaad, dil hai daaGh e judaaee se rashk e baaGh
tujh ko bhee ho naseeb ye gulzaar dekhnaa
Ghalib:
jis zaKhm kee ho saktee ho tadbeer rafoo kee
likh deejeeyo yaa Rab, use qismat meN 'adoo kee
Mir:
ko gul o laalaa kahaaN, sunbal, saman ham nastaran
Khaak se yaksaaN huwe haiN, haaye kyaa kyaa aashnaa
-------
har qata' e chaman par Tuk gaaR kar nazar kar
bigReeN hazaar shakleN, tab phool ye baanaaye
Ghalib:
sab kahaaN, kuchh laalaa o gul meN numaayaaN ho gayeeN
Khaak meN kyaa soorataiN hoN gee k pinhaaN ho gayeeN
Mir:
lazzat se naheeN Khaalee jaanoN kaa khapaa jaanaa
kab Khizr o maseeha ne marne kaa mazaa jaanaa
Ghalib:
hawas ko hai nishaat e kaar kyaa kyaa
na ho marnaa to jeene kaa mazaa kyaa
Mir:
maiN Ghash kiyaa jo Khat le udhar naama bar chalaa
ya'anee k fart e shauq se jee bhee udhar chalaa
Ghalib:
ho liye kyoN naama bar ke saath saath
yaa rab apne Khat ko ham puhnchaayaiN kyaa
------
Khudaa ke waaste daad is junoon e shauq kee denaa
k us ke dar pe pahunchte haiN naama bar se ham aage
Mir:
kal dil aazurda gulistaaN se guzar ham ne kiyaa
gul lage kehne, "kaho", moonh na udhar ham ne kiyaa
-------
achchhee lage hai tujh bin gulgasht e baaGh kis ko
suhbat rakhe guloN se, itnaa dimaaGh kis ko
-------
hameN to baaGh kee takleef se mu'aaf rakho
k sair o gasht naheeN rasm ahl e maatam kee
Ghalib:
Gham e firaaq meN takleef e sair e baaGh na do
mujhe dimaaGh naheeN Khanda haa e bai-jaa kaa
Mir:
bai-Khudee le gayee kahaaN mujh ko
dair se intizaar hai apnaa
Ghalib:
ham wahaaN haiN jahaaN se ham ko bhee
kuchh hamaaree Khabar naheeN aatee
baaqee ba-shart e zindagaanee aglee post meN. apnee aaraa se zaroor
aagaah kijiye gaa.
niaaz-mand,
Zafar
Vasmi Abidi
very interesting!
I had no idea of this remarkable connection between these two greats.
looking forward to the next installment ...
shukriya,
Vasmi
Zafar wrote:
> Ghalib Mir kaa Khausha-cheeN?
>
[...]
Sarwar Alam Raz
aap kaa mazmoon paRh kar nehaayat mazaa aayaa. yeh to kehiye ke itnee
meHnat se likhaa gayaa mazmoon aap ne kaheeN shaa'e karaane kee
koshish kee? agar naheeN kee to ab bhee vaqt hai. doosree qist kaa
intizaar hai. Khilaaf.e.aadat aap ke mazmoon kaa pooraa matn Chore de
rahaa hoon kyoNke is kee copy Khud ko e-mail kar rahaa hooN ke mazeed
fursat se phir paRhooNgaa!
Sarwar
z_...@yahoo.com (Zafar) wrote in message news:<f970256b.01122...@posting.google.com>...
Zafar
> meHnat se likhaa gayaa mazmoon aap ne kaheeN shaa'e karaane kee
> koshish kee? agar naheeN kee to ab bhee vaqt hai.
> Sarwar
janaab Sarwar Sahib:
aap kee baat saheeh hai, is mazmoon par waqa'ee bahut mehnat huwee
hai. dar-asl shuru' meN mujhe andaza naheeN thaa k kaam itnaa khinch
jaaye gaa. maiN har "comparative" she'er par tabsara bhee denaa
chaahtaa thaa lekin tawaalat ke Khauf se aisaa na kar sakaa. ab soch
rahaa hooN k tabsare ke saath aur tamheed to thoraa baRhaa kar kisee
parche ko ye mazmoon de dooN.
aap kee tawajju aur inaayat kaa shukriya,
Zafar
Zoya
> Ghalib Mir kaa Khausha-cheeN?
>
Zafar Sahib,
aap ne jis mehnat se yeh mazmuun tayyaar kar ke ALUP par post kiyaa
hai, uske liye aap ka bahut bahut shukriyaa. It is obvious how much
time and effort must have gone into its prepration. mai.N bhii vohii
baat soch rahii thii jo Sarwar Sahib ne kahii hai, aap ise zuruur
kisii adbii risaale mei.N publish karvaaey.N, take ALUPERS ke ilaava
bhii aur bahut se logo.N ko ise pa.Dhne kaa mauqa mil sake. I don't
think you will be doing justice to its contents if you limit it to
just ALUP.
mai.N is silsile kii duusrii qist ke intezaar mei.N huu.N.
aap se mai.N ek aur sawaal puuCHHna chaahuu.NGii. kuChh arsaa pehle
hamaare yahaa.N is baat pe bahut gufatguu huii thii ke the following
sher, jo ke obviously Mir Taqi Mir kaa to nahii.N hai, ( naa hii
kuliyaat-e-Mir mei.N kahii.N darj hai), to phir yeh kaun se Mir Sahib
kaa hai:
vo aaye bazm mei.N itnaa to Mir ne dekhaa
phir uske baad charaGo.N mei.N roshni naa rahii
kyaa aap ya Sarwar Sahib apne resources ke zariiye mujhe is ke baare
mei.N kuChh bataa sakte hai.N? peshgii shukriyaa.
Regards,
_____________Zoya.
Raj Kumar
> Ghalib Mir kaa Khausha-cheeN?
>
> aaj tak is behes kaa faisila naheeN ho sakaa k Urdu kaa sab se baRaa
> shaa'ir kon hai: Mir yaa Ghalib. zaahir hai hamaaraa ye martaba to
> naheeN k is qazeeye ko nimTaa sakeN, taaham --------------
Zafar Saahib:
agarche is 'qazeeye ko nimTaana' bahut dushvaar hai magar lagta hai ke
aap to ise pehle hi se nimTaa chuke haiN! ab aap poochheN ge ke voh
kaise? to javaaban arz hai ke aap zaraa apne "urdubaazaar" ko kholiye
aur sar-e-varaq jo tasaaveer aavezaaN haiN unheN dekhiye to aap par
saaf zaahir ho jaaye ga ke aap Ghaalib aur Iqbaal ko Meer se
baalaa-tar samajhte haiN! :-))
Urdu adab meiN, jitni tehqeeq Ghaalib aur Iqbaal par hui hai aur jitni
azmat in do sho'raa ko mili hai, us se kisi bhi shaKhs ko inkaar
naheeN ho sakta. aur jo ahamiyat Meer ki hai, voh bhi musallima hai.
ab aap ne Ghaalib aur Iqbaal ko to pehli saf meiN biThaaya hai aur
Meer ko doosri meiN. is se saaf zaahir hota hai ke aap ke taraazoo ke
palRe kis taraf jhuk rahe haiN! :-))
I'll look forward to hearing your views on this matter.
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doosri baat, jo is zimn se koi Khaas ta'alluq naheeN rakhti, vo hai
"sho'raa ka inteKhaab". ain mumkin hai ke aap ko apne "baazaar" meiN
abhi aur "stall" lagaane haiN! :-))
phir bhi, maiN apne aek mushaahide se aap ko baihra-var karna chaahata
hooN. voh yeh ke jahaaN aap ne Hasrat M. aur Jigar M. ko 'include'
kiya hai, vahaaN Faani B. aur AsGhar G. ko kiyooN naheeN kiya? beshtar
logoN ki nazroN meiN, yeh chaar shaa'ir aek hi zumre ke haiN!
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teesri baat, jo ke doosri baat se alag hai, voh yeh ke mujhe yeh dekh
kar saKht hairat hui ke aap ke sho'raa ki fehrist meiN --- jahaaN Josh
M., Firaaq G. aur Faiz Ahmad Faiz maujood haiN --- Hafeez J. kiyooN
Ghaa'ib haiN? beshtar log Hafeez ko us paaye ka shaa'ir to naheeN
samajhte jis paaye ke deegar mazkoora shaa'ir the. taaham, mera
Khayaal tha ke (kam-az-kam, Pakistani halqoN meiN) un ka maqaam aisa
hoga ke aap unheN apne "baazaar" meiN zaroor jagah dete.
ho sakta hai ke aap aisa karne ka iraada rakhte hoN magar abhi tak
aisa kar naheeN paaye. maiN, is baare meiN, aap ki be-laag raaye
jaan_ne ka mushtaaq hooN.
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By the way, these questions are all a matter of curiosity. In these
contexts, I do not have any personal preferences one way or the other
--- except for the fact that I did feel a bit sad on seeing Meer in
the second row!
Khair-aNdesh, Raj Kumar
Zafar
aap kee inaayat k aap ne eUrdubazaar par itnaa tafseelee tabsara ataa
kiyaa. aap ke sawaalaat ke jawaabaat haazir haiN:
1.
mujhe ye sun kar hairat huwee k aap ne eUrdubazaar ke home page par
tasweeroN kee tarteeb se ye nateeja aKhaz kar liyaa k maiN kis
shaKhseeyat ko kis maqaam par dekhtaa hooN. yaqeen jaaniye ye tarteeb
mahaz "random" hai aur is se koee "hidden message" denaa hargiz
maqsood na thaa. (by the way, 3,4 din ke andar andar is site kee
bilkul nayee -- all refurbished and enhanced -- soorat upload kee
jaaye gee aur is ke naye home page par kisi musannif kee tasweer
naheeN hai!)
waise agar koee mujh se poochhe k meree raaye meN Urdu kaa sab se
baRaa shaa'ir kon hai to awwal to maiN is sawaal se pehloo-tahee kee
pooree kaushish karooN gaa, lekin agar aap "gun-point" par ye sawaal
duhraayaiN to phir maiN alal-tarteeb Ghalib, Mir aur Iqbal ke naam le
dooN gaa :)
2.
aap ne Hasrat aur Jigar kee "inclusion" aur Fani aur Asghar kee
"exclusion" kee baat kee hai. is silsile meN arz ye hai k web-site par
maiN ne sirf 30 shaa'ir rakhne the (100 kee list par logoN ne aitiraaz
kiyaa hai lekin mere Khayaal se Internet par intiKhaab baRaa zarooree
hai). meraa mas'ala ye hai k agar maiN list meN, mas'alan, Asghar
Gondwi ko rakhoN to kis ko nikaalooN? mujhe Hasrat, Josh, Jigar, Fani,
Asghar aur Akhtar Shirani meN se 3 naam chun-ne the aur maiN ne kaee
haftoN kee "shadeed" soch bichaar ke ba'ad awwalul zikr kaa intiKhaab
kiyaa. maiN ne Islamabad meN rehne waale kaee saahibaan e nazar se
bhee mashwara kiyaa aur aksareeyat ne mere faisile kee tauseeq kee.
mujhe ummeed hai k agar aap ko ye faisila karnaa paRtaa to wo bhee
kuchh ziaada muKhtalif naheeN hotaa.
ye wazih rahe k is intiKhaab meN mujhe kaee baatoN kaa Khayaal rakhnaa
paRaa hai. mas'alan maiN maantaa hooN k Fani ya Asghar donoN Parween
Shakir se baRe shu'araa haiN. lekin Parween apne zamaane aur sinf kee
numaainda shaa'ira hai, si liye mujhe use rakhnaa paRaa. aur aap ko ye
jaan kar hairat ho gee k kaee haftoN tak Parween kaa page "the most
visited page" rahaa hai! aur "over-aal" maqbooliyat ke lihaaz se wo
Mir o Ghalib ko bhee peechhe chhoR gayee haiN.
3.
"...beshtar log Hafeez ko us paaye ka shaa'ir to naheeN samajhte jis
paaye ke deegar mazkoora shaa'ir the. taaham, mera Khayaal tha ke
(kam-az-kam, Pakistani halqoN meiN) un ka maqaam aisa hoga ke aap
unheN apne "baazaar" meiN zaroor jagah dete..."
janaab e Raj Kumar: baat to she'er o adab o suKhan kee ho rahee thee,
is meN Pakistan aur Hindustan kaa kiyaa tazkira?
4.
maiN site par aik "Honorable Mentions" kaa page dene waalaa hooN jis
meN wo tamaam naam darj kiye jaayaiN ge jo waise to aham haiN, lekin
100 kee fehrist meN jagah na paa sake. waise aise kuchh log to abhee
bhee site par maujood haiN, jaise Amir Khusro, Quli Qutub Shah (Urdu
kaa pehlaa saahib e deewaan shaa'ir) aur Mullah Wajhee (Urdu kee
pehlee nasree kitaab kaa musannif).
aaKhir meN aap ke tafseelee tabsare kaa shukriyaa. ummeed hai k aainda
bhee aap isee tarah apnee bai-laag raaye kaa izhaar kar ke meree
rah-numaaee farmaate rahaiN ge. agar waqt mile to shaa'iree ke ilaawa
doosree asnaaf ko bhee dekh lijiye gaa. maiN aap kee raaye kaa
muntazir rahooN gaa.
niaaz-mand,
Zafar
Raj Kumar
mere Khat ka is qadar tafseelii javaab dene ke liye aap ka bahut bahut
shukriya.
aap ke sabhi javaab Khaatir-Khwaah lage, is liye mujhe kuchh mazeed
likhne ki zaroorat naheeN thi. bas, sirf aek-aadh baat kehni thi, jis
ke liye haazir hua hooN.
> waise agar koee mujh se poochhe k meree raaye meN Urdu kaa sab se
> baRaa shaa'ir kon hai to awwal to maiN is sawaal se pehloo-tahee kee
> pooree kaushish karooN gaa, lekin agar aap "gun-point" par ye sawaal
> duhraayaiN to phir maiN alal-tarteeb Ghalib, Mir aur Iqbal ke naam le
> dooN gaa :)
yeh savaal is qadar TeRhaa hai ke maiN to "gun-point" par bhi is se
pehloo-tahii karne ki koshish karooN ga! :-))
> ----------------------------------- mujhe Hasrat, Josh, Jigar, Fani,
> Asghar aur Akhtar Shirani meN se 3 naam chun-ne the aur maiN ne kaee
> haftoN kee "shadeed" soch bichaar ke ba'ad awwalul zikr kaa intiKhaab
> kiyaa. maiN ne Islamabad meN rehne waale kaee saahibaan e nazar se
> bhee mashwara kiyaa aur aksareeyat ne mere faisile kee tauseeq kee.
> mujhe ummeed hai k agar aap ko ye faisila karnaa paRtaa to wo bhee
> kuchh ziaada muKhtalif naheeN hotaa.
muKhtalif kya? us soorat meiN (jo ke aap ne bayaan ki hai), mera
faisala bhi ain vuhi hota jo aap ka hua hai!
> ye wazih rahe k is intiKhaab meN mujhe kaee baatoN kaa Khayaal rakhnaa
> paRaa hai. mas'alan maiN maantaa hooN k Fani ya Asghar donoN Parween
> Shakir se baRe shu'araa haiN. lekin Parween apne zamaane aur sinf kee
> numaainda shaa'ira hai, si liye mujhe use rakhnaa paRaa. aur aap ko ye
> jaan kar hairat ho gee k kaee haftoN tak Parween kaa page "the most
> visited page" rahaa hai! aur "over-aal" maqbooliyat ke lihaaz se wo
> Mir o Ghalib ko bhee peechhe chhoR gayee haiN.
This doesn't surprise me at all, for there is a multitude of reasons
why one would like to open Parveen's page in preference to others'.
For instance, out of your 30 pages, I think I opened about 12 --- and
Parveen's was one of them!
> 3.
> "...beshtar log Hafeez ko us paaye ka shaa'ir to naheeN samajhte jis
> paaye ke deegar mazkoora shaa'ir the. taaham, mera Khayaal tha ke
> (kam-az-kam, Pakistani halqoN meiN) un ka maqaam aisa hoga ke aap
> unheN apne "baazaar" meiN zaroor jagah dete..."
> janaab e Raj Kumar: baat to she'er o adab o suKhan kee ho rahee thee,
> is meN Pakistan aur Hindustan kaa kiyaa tazkira?
Zafar Saahib, mera ishaara faqat 'adabi' lihaaz se tha, 'siyaasi'
lihaaz se hargiz naheeN tha.
[bhai, aaj kal to hamaare mulkoN ka baa-hami tanaao is qadar urooj par
hai ke bhalaa ham aur aap us meiN mazeed izaafa kiyooN karne lage?]
mera matlab yeh tha ke maiN Hindustan ke adabi halqoN se to
thoRa-bahut vaaqif hooN hi (aur vahaaN par Hafeez ko koi "Khaas baRaa"
shaa'ir naheeN samjha jaata) magar Pakistani halqoN se maiN vaaqif
naheeN hooN. is liye, mera "aNdaaza" tha ke Hafeez un halqoN meiN
Ghaaliban ziyaada maqbool hoN ge. Khaas kar is liye ke unhoN ne
Pakistan ka qaumi taraana likkha tha, shaa'ir-e-islaam kehlaate the
(am I right?) aur yaqeenan apne aap ko Iqbaal ka jaa-nisheen samajhte
the, vaGhaira, vaGhaira --- .
is liye, mujhe un ka naam aap ki fehrist meiN na dekh kar hairat
zaroor hui thi. ab jab yeh pataa chalaa hai ke aap ko Urdu adab ke
poori taareeKh meiN se kul 30 sho'raa ka inteKhaab karna tha to baat
samajh meiN aa gayee hai.
Regardless of that, what do you think Hafeez's true status was
vis-a-vis other famous poets that we know of?
> 4.
> maiN site par aik "Honorable Mentions" kaa page dene waalaa hooN jis
> meN wo tamaam naam darj kiye jaayaiN ge jo waise to aham haiN, lekin
> 100 kee fehrist meN jagah na paa sake.
That sounds like a wonderful idea.
In closing, I must say, Zafar Saahib, that the overall quality and
quantity of the contents of your site are simply impressive and if, at
any time in the future, I can give you some further input on this,
I'll definitely do so.
Khair-aNdesh, Raj Kumar
Zafar
> Zafar Saahib:
>
> mere Khat ka is qadar tafseelii javaab dene ke liye aap ka bahut bahut
> shukriya.
janaab Raj Kumar sahib, aadaab:
shukriya to mujhe aap kaa adaa karnaa chaahiye k aap ne eUrdubazaar
kaa zikr cheR kar mujhe apne dil kee baateN kehne kaa naadir mauqa:
zikr us paree-wash kaa aur phir bayaaN apnaa :)
>
> maiN Hindustan ke adabi halqoN se to
> thoRa-bahut vaaqif hooN hi (aur vahaaN par Hafeez ko koi "Khaas baRaa"
> shaa'ir naheeN samjha jaata) magar Pakistani halqoN se maiN vaaqif
> naheeN hooN. is liye, mera "aNdaaza" tha ke Hafeez un halqoN meiN
> Ghaaliban ziyaada maqbool hoN ge. Khaas kar is liye ke unhoN ne
> Pakistan ka qaumi taraana likkha tha, shaa'ir-e-islaam kehlaate the
> (am I right?) aur yaqeenan apne aap ko Iqbaal ka jaa-nisheen samajhte
> the, vaGhaira, vaGhaira --- .
>
> is liye, mujhe un ka naam aap ki fehrist meiN na dekh kar hairat
> zaroor hui thi. ab jab yeh pataa chalaa hai ke aap ko Urdu adab ke
> poori taareeKh meiN se kul 30 sho'raa ka inteKhaab karna tha to baat
> samajh meiN aa gayee hai.
Hafeez ko aik zamaane meN waqa'ee baRaa maqaam haasil thaa magar waqt
guzarne ke saath saath un kaa adabee qad kaaTh kam se kam hotaa chalaa
jaa rahaa hai (isee "phenomenon" kee aik aur misaal Akhtar Shirani
haiN, jin ke Khumaar e suKhan kaa nasha bahut jald utar gayaa).
chunaanche ma'aloom hotaa hai k 'azmat' kaa laazimee component
"dawaam" bhee hotaa hai.
Hafeez ko ho saktaa hai "shaah-naama e Islam" likhne kee wajah se
"shaa'ir e Islam" kahaa jaataa ho taaham un kaa ziaada mash-hoor laqab
"abu al asar" hai, jo un ke naam kaa aik hissa ban gayaa hai.
>
> Regardless of that, what do you think Hafeez's true status was
> vis-a-vis other famous poets that we know of?
>
> maiN apnee raaye aik alag post meN likh rahaa hooN, az raah e karam, use dekh lijiye gaa.
> In closing, I must say, Zafar Saahib, that the overall quality and
> quantity of the contents of your site are simply impressive and if, at
> any time in the future, I can give you some further input on this,
> I'll definitely do so.
>
aap kee inaayat aur muhabbat kaa tah e dil se shukriya.
niaaz-mand,
Zafar
Vijay
"Zoya" <zbi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> aap se mai.N ek aur sawaal puuCHHna chaahuu.NGii. kuChh arsaa pehle
> hamaare yahaa.N is baat pe bahut gufatguu huii thii ke the following
> sher, jo ke obviously Mir Taqi Mir kaa to nahii.N hai, ( naa hii
> kuliyaat-e-Mir mei.N kahii.N darj hai), to phir yeh kaun se Mir Sahib
> kaa hai:
>
> vo aaye bazm mei.N itnaa to Mir ne dekhaa
> phir uske baad charaGo.N mei.N roshni naa rahii
Zoya Sahiba; aadaab.
pehle to sab ALUPers ko nae saal kii dher sii mubaarakbaad.
is she'r ke baare meN Sardar Jaafri sahib neN yeh likha hai:
"guzashta paaNch cchheh saal ke aNdar yeh she'r Miir ke naam se mash'hoor
huua hai. pehle kabhi sun'ne meN nahiiN aaya thaa. kisii neN Josh Maliih
Aabaadi ko sunaaia thaa. un ke zariie se auroN tak pohaNchaa. mujhe bhii
vahiiN se tohfaah milaa thaa. kaha jaata hai ki maulaana Abul K'laam Aazaad
tak bhii yeh she'r pohNchaa thaa. unhoN neN Miir ka she'r maan'ne se inkaar
kar diia." September, 1960.
Regards,
Vijay Kumar
P.S. En passent, Jaafrii gives numerous other examples of ashaa'r or ghazals
wrongly attributed to Miir. A more notable being:
aa ke sajjaadah nashiiN qais huua mere baad..
which has the maqta:
ba'ad marne ke merii qabr pe aaya voh miir
yaad aaii mere iisa ko davaa mere ba'ad.
Sarwar Alam Raz
> z_...@yahoo.com (Zafar) wrote in message news:<f970256b.01122...@posting.google.com>...
> > Ghalib Mir kaa Khausha-cheeN?
> aap se mai.N ek aur sawaal puuCHHna chaahuu.NGii. kuChh arsaa pehle
> hamaare yahaa.N is baat pe bahut gufatguu huii thii ke the following
> sher, jo ke obviously Mir Taqi Mir kaa to nahii.N hai, ( naa hii
> kuliyaat-e-Mir mei.N kahii.N darj hai), to phir yeh kaun se Mir Sahib
> kaa hai:
>
> vo aaye bazm mei.N itnaa to Mir ne dekhaa
> phir uske baad charaGo.N mei.N roshni naa rahii
>
> kyaa aap ya Sarwar Sahib apne resources ke zariiye mujhe is ke baare
> mei.N kuChh bataa sakte hai.N? peshgii shukriyaa.
> _____________Zoya.
Zoya saaheba aadaab
aap ne meraa naam liyaa hai is liye Haaziree zarooree hai!
mere paas jo Molvi Abdul Haq saaheb kaa IntiKhaab.e.Kalaam.e.Mir hai
us meiN bhee na sirf yeh sher hee nahiN hai balke is zameen meiN koi
Ghazal hee mojood naheeN hai. muqaamee ahl.e.ilm se pooChhne se sirf
is qadar pata chalaa ke har shaKhs is ko Mir kaa hee maantaa chalaa
aayaa hai. is silsile meiN mere liye aik nehaayat dilchasp zaatee yaad
yeh hai ke mere bachpan meiN (jee haaN meree yaad piChhle 60 saaloN
per muHeet hai!) vaalid marHoom (Hazrat Raz Chandpuri) mujh se kehte
the ke unko do (2) ash'aar beHad pasand the. aik to yehee sher aur
doosra Momin kaa voh sher jis per Ghalib apnaa saaraa deevaan qurbaan
karne ko tai'yyar the:
tum mire paas hote ho goyaa
jab koi doosraa naheeN hotaa
marHoom ne hamesha yehee kahaa ke pehlaa sher (voh aaye bazm--) Mir
kaa hai. yeh koi sanad naheeN hai magar sher ke tevar bilkul Mir ke
haiN aur aaj tak kisee aur ke naam se yeh mansoob bhee naheeN dekhaa
gayaa hai.
meraa Khayaal hai ke is kee teHqeeq Zafar hee kar sakte haiN ke
Islamabad meiN un ke paas vasaa'il haiN. kyoN Zafar saaheb, kyaa
Khayaal hai?
Sarwar
Zoya
> > phir uske baad charaGo.N mei.N roshni naa rahii
>
> Zoya Sahiba; aadaab.
>
> pehle to sab ALUPers ko nae saal kii dher sii mubaarakbaad.
>
> is she'r ke baare meN Sardar Jaafri sahib neN yeh likha hai:
>
> "guzashta paaNch cchheh saal ke aNdar yeh she'r Miir ke naam se mash'hoor
> huua hai. pehle kabhi sun'ne meN nahiiN aaya thaa. kisii neN Josh Maliih
> Aabaadi ko sunaaia thaa. un ke zariie se auroN tak pohaNchaa. mujhe bhii
> vahiiN se tohfaah milaa thaa. kaha jaata hai ki maulaana Abul K'laam Aazaad
> tak bhii yeh she'r pohNchaa thaa. unhoN neN Miir ka she'r maan'ne se inkaar
> kar diia." September, 1960.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vijay Kumar
>
>
Vijay Sahib aur Sarwar Sahib,
aap dono.N kaa bahut shukriyaa ke aap ne mere uThaaye hue sawaal kii
tarf dhyaan diyaa. maine bhii hameshaa yahii sunaa hai ke sabhii is ko
Mir kaa sher maante hai.N, lekin Dhoo.NDne baiTho to Kuliat-e-Mir
mei.N kahii.N nahii.N miltaa. So it seems that this question is open
to further discussion and/or research.
merii tarf se bhii sabhii ko ( zaraa der se hii sahii ) naye saal kii
mubaarkbaad.
New year eve ko ek nayaa ( at least mere liye ) sher sun_ne ko milaa
thaa, jo kuChh kuChh mere dil ko bhii Chhoo gayaa thaa, to aap sab ko
sunaatii huu.N:
yeh saal bhii guzraa hai tere pyaar kii maani.Nd
aate hue kuChh aur thaa, jaate hue kuChh aur
Regards,
______________Zoya.
Zafar
> Islamabad meiN un ke paas vasaa'il haiN. kyoN Zafar saaheb, kyaa
> Khayaal hai?
>
"itnaa to yaad hai mujhe" k ye she'er Mir kaa naheeN hai, lekin kis
kaa hai, ye ma'aloom na ho sakaa. kal kisee se istifsaar karooN gaa,
("tasaahul" aik mushkil lafz hai, is lafz kaa matlab
kitaaboN meN kahaaN DhoonDooN, kisee se poochh looN gaa maiN :))
agar pataa chal gayaa to zaroor post kar dooN gaa.
Zafar
Zafar
> hamaare yahaa.N is baat pe bahut gufatguu huii thii ke the following
> sher, jo ke obviously Mir Taqi Mir kaa to nahii.N hai, ( naa hii
> kuliyaat-e-Mir mei.N kahii.N darj hai), to phir yeh kaun se Mir Sahib
> kaa hai:
>
> vo aaye bazm mei.N itnaa to Mir ne dekhaa
> phir uske baad charaGo.N mei.N roshni naa rahii
>
mere paas Mir ke ilhaaqee (wrongly attributed) kalaam par kaafee
mawaad maujood thaa aur us meN ye she'er darj bhee thaa lekin shaa'ir
kaa naam naheeN thaa. taaham kuchh DoriyaaN hilaane se pataa chalaa k
ye she'er Mahaaraaj Bahaadur 'Barq' Dehlvi kaa hai aur is kee saheeh
shakl kuchh yooN hai:
wo aaye bazm meN itnaa to 'Barq' ne dekhaa
phir us ke ba'ad chiraaGhoN meN rausshanee na rahee
Pakistan ke aik naam-war shaa'ir haiN, janaab Taabish Dehlvi. unhoN ne
apnee kitaab "deed baaz deed" meN raqam kiyaa hai k unhoN ne janaab
'Barq' ko 1930 meN aik mushaa'ire meN ye she'er paRhte sunaa thaa
(waazih rahe k janaab Taabish kee umr 100 ke qareeb hai).
is she'er ko shuhrat aur Mir se nisbat Asar Lakhnawee ke intiKhaab e
kalaam e Mir, "Mazaameer", se milee. phir Hind o Pak ke mash-hoor
broadcaster janaab ZA Bukhaari ne ise radio ke kisee program meN bhee
nashr kar diyaa. bas phir kiyaa thaa, sabhee ise Mir kaa samajhne lage
aur is ke asl Khaaliq, janaab 'Barq', kaa naam gard e gumnaamee meN aT
gayaa. ham is lajawaab she'er ke "Khaaliq e haqeeqee" kee daad kaa haq
to adaa naheeN kar sakte, taaham un kee yaad meN un kee aik Ghazal
zaroor paish kar rahe haiN:
taabish e husn hijaab e ruKh e pur-noor naheeN
raKhnaa gar ho nigah e shauq to kuchh door naheeN
shab e furqat nazar aate naheeN aasaar e sahar
itnee zulmat hai ruKh e shama' pe bhee noor naheeN
raaz e sar-basta e ulfat na khulaa hai na khule
maiN hooN is sa'ee meN masroof jo mashkoor naheeN
sarf e nairangee e nazzaara hai Khud apnee nazar
'ain wahdat hai, koee naazir o manzoor naheeN
nazar aataa naheeN go manzil e maqsad kaa nishaaN
zauq e saadiq yahee kehtaa hai k "kuchh door naheeN"
Zafar
Sarwar Alam Raz
> > aap se mai.N ek aur sawaal puuCHHna chaahuu.NGii. kuChh arsaa pehle
> > hamaare yahaa.N is baat pe bahut gufatguu huii thii ke the following
> > sher, jo ke obviously Mir Taqi Mir kaa to nahii.N hai, ( naa hii
> > kuliyaat-e-Mir mei.N kahii.N darj hai), to phir yeh kaun se Mir Sahib
> > kaa hai:
> >
> > vo aaye bazm mei.N itnaa to Mir ne dekhaa
> > phir uske baad charaGo.N mei.N roshni naa rahii
Zafar saaheb aadaab!
aap kee vazaaHat se yeh savaal to Hal hogayaa! ham sab kaa shukriya
qubool keeji'ye aur ab yeh bataa'iye ke darj.e.zail she'er jo Mir ke
naam se mansoob hai kis kaa hai?
shikast.o.fatH muqaddar se hai vale ae Mir
muqaabla to dil.e.naatavaaN ne Khoob kiyaa!
"Sarwar"
Zoya
> muhtarima Zoya saahiba, aadaab:
>
> mere paas Mir ke ilhaaqee (wrongly attributed) kalaam par kaafee
> mawaad maujood thaa aur us meN ye she'er darj bhee thaa lekin shaa'ir
> kaa naam naheeN thaa. taaham kuchh DoriyaaN hilaane se pataa chalaa k
> ye she'er Mahaaraaj Bahaadur 'Barq' Dehlvi kaa hai aur is kee saheeh
> shakl kuchh yooN hai:
>
> wo aaye bazm meN itnaa to 'Barq' ne dekhaa
> phir us ke ba'ad chiraaGhoN meN rausshanee na rahee
>
> Pakistan ke aik naam-war shaa'ir haiN, janaab Taabish Dehlvi. unhoN ne
> apnee kitaab "deed baaz deed" meN raqam kiyaa hai k unhoN ne janaab
> 'Barq' ko 1930 meN aik mushaa'ire meN ye she'er paRhte sunaa thaa
> (waazih rahe k janaab Taabish kee umr 100 ke qareeb hai).
>
> is she'er ko shuhrat aur Mir se nisbat Asar Lakhnawee ke intiKhaab e
> kalaam e Mir, "Mazaameer", se milee. phir Hind o Pak ke mash-hoor
> broadcaster janaab ZA Bukhaari ne ise radio ke kisee program meN bhee
> nashr kar diyaa. bas phir kiyaa thaa, sabhee ise Mir kaa samajhne lage
> aur is ke asl Khaaliq, janaab 'Barq', kaa naam gard e gumnaamee meN aT
> gayaa.
> Zafar
Zafar Sahib,
aap kaa bahut bahut shukriyaa ke aapne mere sawaal kaa jawaab dhoo.ND
diyaa, yeh sawaal mujhe bahut dino.N se bother kar rahaa thaa. ek baar
phir, bahut meharbaanii.
jis lagan se aap research karte hai.N, aap ko to kisii University
mei.N professor honaa chaahiye. Zafar Sahib, mai.N pataa kyaa soch
rahii thii, agar mai.N aap ke aas paas kahii.N rehtii hotii, then I
would love to be your shaagird and maybe work on a doctoral thesis
under your guidance and mentorship. Anyway since yeh baat to naamumkin
hai, I am very thankful for having found ALUP, jiskii vajeh se aapse
aur doosre learned khwaateen-o-hazraat se raabtaa banaa rehtaa hai.
You know I am going to direct all my future inquiries about Urdu
poetry your way. ab aap haa.N kahe.N yaa naa kahe.N, mai.Ne to aapko
guru maan liyaa hai ! shaayad Raj Kumar Sahib bhii aapko bataa dei.N,
hamaarii taraf guru dakshinaa dene kaa bhii rivaaj hai !!
Best Regards,
____________Zoya.
Vijay Kumar
> Zafar saaheb aadaab!
>
> aap kee vazaaHat se yeh savaal to Hal hogayaa! ham sab kaa shukriya
> qubool keeji'ye aur ab yeh bataa'iye ke darj.e.zail she'er jo Mir ke
> naam se mansoob hai kis kaa hai?
>
> shikast.o.fatH muqaddar se hai vale ae Mir
> muqaabla to dil.e.naatavaaN ne Khoob kiyaa!
>
Sarwar Sahib, aadaab:
At the risk of stealing Zafar sahib's thunder, here is what Sardar
Jaafrii has to say about this above she'r:
(yeh she'r) miir ke naam se bohat mashhoor hai. majnuuN gorakhpurii ne
apne aik mazmoon meN is she'r par miir kii saarii shairii kii bunyaad
rakh dii hai. aur bhii kaii jagah yeh she'r naqal huua hai. yeh dar
asal laKhnauu ke aik shayar amiir ka she'r hai.
Regards,
Vijay Kumar
Zafar
jis lagan se aap research karte hai.N, aap ko to kisii University
> mei.N professor honaa chaahiye. Zafar Sahib, mai.N pataa kyaa soch
> rahii thii, agar mai.N aap ke aas paas kahii.N rehtii hotii, then I
> would love to be your shaagird and maybe work on a doctoral thesis
> under your guidance and mentorship. Anyway since yeh baat to naamumkin
> hai, I am very thankful for having found ALUP, jiskii vajeh se aapse
> aur doosre learned khwaateen-o-hazraat se raabtaa banaa rehtaa hai.
>
is par maiN siwaaye "zarra nawaazee hai", aur "banada kis qaabil hai"
ke "cliches" ke aur kyaa keh saktaa hooN?
> You know I am going to direct all my future inquiries about Urdu
> poetry your way. ab aap haa.N kahe.N yaa naa kahe.N, mai.Ne to aapko
> guru maan liyaa hai !
"salaa e aam hai, yaaraan e nuktaa daaN ke liye"
agar aap yaa koee aur ALUPer aisaa kare to maiN ise apnee izzat
afzaayee samajhooN gaa.
shaayad Raj Kumar Sahib bhii aapko bataa dei.N,
> hamaarii taraf guru dakshinaa dene kaa bhii rivaaj hai !!
>
guru dakshinaa se mujhe mash-hoor teer andaaz Arjun kaa wo waaqia yaad
aa jaataa hai jis meN us is ne guru-dakshinaa ke taur par apne
shaagird kaa angooThaa hee maang liyaa thaa taake wo us se sabqat na
le jaa sake! us din ke ba'ad se mujhe is se nafrat see ho gayee hai :)
Regards,
Zafar
Zafar
> Jaafrii has to say about this above she'r:
>
I was surprised to see your post, especially at the use of the words
"stealing thunder", cuz I didn't "claim" that the information was in
any way incorruptible. That's precisely why I carefully furnished it
with the reference (I not only gave the name of the book and the
author, but also the age of the author, so that a historical
correlation could be made). And most of all, I didn't write "Q.E.D."
at the end of my post! So it was, and still is, subject to correction
and improvement.
I guess we are all students of Urdu and come here to learn a thing or
two, rather than to score points. Maybe Tabish Dehlvi has forgotten
the name of the poet but, at the same time, there is an equal
possibility of Sardar Jafri not getting it right.
By the way, I double-checked the matter with Mr. Nasir Zaidi (famous
Urdu poet who is also considered an authority on "lost" ash'aar and
has written an article on this particular she'er) so I'd stand by my
post until the matter is conclusively sealed.
Zafar
Zafar
> qubool keeji'ye aur ab yeh bataa'iye ke darj.e.zail she'er jo Mir ke
> naam se mansoob hai kis kaa hai?
>
> shikast.o.fatH muqaddar se hai vale ae Mir
> muqaabla to dil.e.naatavaaN ne Khoob kiyaa!
mukarramee Sarwar saahib:
jaisaa k maiN ne pehle arz kiyaa thaa, maiN Mir ke ilhaaqee kalaam par
aik post muratib karne kaa iraada rakhtaa hooN. bas zara
"fursat kashaakash e Gham e pinhaaN se gar mile" :)
kal weekend hai, is liye koshish karooN gaa k kal hee ye post tehreer
ho jaaye.
niaaz-mand,
Zafar
Vijay
This is just a simple mis-understanding. If you re-read Sarwar Sahib's post
in which he has requested some information from you about the she'r in
question, and then read my response again, you will realize that I didn't
mean any offense. If you still need further clarification, kindly write me
at my e-mail address.
Regards,
Vijay
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