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Dilip Kumar (Muhammed Yusuf Khan) 11/12/1922 -07/07/2021

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Naseer

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Jul 7, 2021, 5:06:42 AM7/7/21
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dostaan-i-giraamii aadaab.

aaj subH mere ek dost ne mujhe WhatsApp par Dilip Kumar kii vafaat kii xabar dii hai jis se afsos ke saath un ke ek taviil filmii daur ke ixtitaam kaa iHsaas hu'aa. ham sab ko is jahaaN se ik din jaanaa hai.

Innaa lillaahi wa innaa ilaihi raaji3uun

ham Allah ke haiN aur Allah hii ke paas lauTeN ge.

Allah ta3aalaa un kii maGhfirat kare aur unheN jannat-i-firdaus 3ataa farmaa'e.

aap sab jaante haiN kih vuh Ghair munqasim Hindustan meN Peshawar ke qissah-xvaanii baazaar meN paidaa hu'e jahaaN se ba3d meN un kaa xaandaan Bombay meN muntaqil ho gayaa aur yahiiN aaj un kaa intiqaal hu'aa hai. un kii shariik-i-Hayaat, Saira Bano SaaHibah bhii ek adaa-kaarah thiiN aur donoN miyaaN-biivii ne ek saath filmoN meN kaam bhii kiyaa hai. in kii ko'ii aulaad nahiiN hai.

skuul ke zamaane meN maiN ne in kii pahlii film jo dekhii, us kaa naam Ram aur Shyam hai. ba3d meN bahut sii filmeN dekhne kaa mauqa3 milaa jin meN Devdas aur Madhumati merii pasandiidah filmeN haiN.

adaakaarii meN unhoN ne Raj Kumar, Ashok Kumar, Dev Anand jaise
baRe adaakaaroN ke saath apnaa sikkah bhii jamaayaa aur apnii adaa-kaarii ke avaa'il meN unheN "Tragedy King" kaa xitaab milaa go kih ba3d meN unhoN ne mizaaHiyah filmeN bhii banaa'iiN jin meN Ram aur Shyam shaamil hai. ek pahluu jis meN vuh diigar adaa-kaaroN se munfarid the, vuh un kaa Urdu zabaan par 3ubuur aur shiiriiN andaaz-i-adaa'igii thaa.

kuchh 3arsah pahle maiN ne un kii yih interview Raj Kumar SaaHib ko bhejii thii. liijiye aap bhii suniye aur lutf-andoz hoiye/huujiye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfZ-AbEd8o&ab_channel=BBCNewsHindi

ek aur muxtasar saa video bhii pesh-i-xidmat hai jis meN Dilip Kumar aur Shabana Azami shi3r-o-shaa3irii kaa tazkirah kar rahe haiN. Dilip Kumar SaaHib Faiz kii shaa3rii par baat-chiit kar rahe haiN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ka4SmHIo7E&ab_channel=AminBhayani

Naseer

Raj Kumar

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Jul 10, 2021, 12:54:41 AM7/10/21
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***janaab Naseer sahib, "tragedy king" Dilip Kumar sahib ki vafaat par aap ka aqeedat-naama paRh kar dil-o-jaaN ko qadre raaHat naseeb hu'ii, varna yeh saaniHa aisa alam-naak hai k is par yaqeen laane ka amal aur bhi ziyaada dukh-daayak hai. magar kyaa kiyaa jaaye, ham bastagaan-e-zulf-e-getii honii ko an-honii to nahiiN kar sakte. :-(

aap ne jo video kuchh hafte pahle Khaaksaar ko bheja tha, maiN ne use tab bhi dekha tha aur ab bhi --- farq yeh hai tab hama-tan masarrat ke saath dekha tha aur ab hama-tan ta'assuf ke saath.

ba-har-Haal, aap ki is peshkash ke liye aap ka bahut bahut shukriya.

du'aa-go, Raj Kumar***

B.G. M.

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Jul 10, 2021, 12:57:57 PM7/10/21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfZ-AbEd8o&ab_channel=BBCNewsHindi

This, by far, the best interview I have ever heard!
Bahot shukriya Naseer Saahab , isay yahaaN introduce karne ke liye.
Today, after listening this, I feel my entire being is full of happiness and thankfulness!
BaRii navaazish hai aap ki
🙏🙏🙏
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Zoya

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Jul 11, 2021, 4:52:39 PM7/11/21
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Thank you for the links, Naseer sahib. These two are among the several Dilip Kumar interviews that friends have shared with me this week. His command of Urdu language and vocabulary is remarkable, and the style of delivery is impeccable, takes the listeners to a bygone era.

One thing I found interesting is that he quoted, even sang, a Shakeel Badauni ghazal in more than one interview, especially this particular she'r that I have also always liked:

mujhe to hosh nahiiN, aap mashvaraa diije
kahaaN se ChheRuN fasanaa, kahaaN tamaam karuuN

I am really missing Afzal sahib right now, he can add so much more to this thread, I hope he will be able to join us soon.

______Zoya

Naseer

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Jul 12, 2021, 1:10:02 PM7/12/21
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muHtaram Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.

3aiidat-naamah kyaa, bas 3ujlat meN taHriir kiye hu'e chand jumle the jin se Dilip Kumar kii shaxsiyyat aur adaa-kaarii se bi_lkul insaaf nahiiN ho sakaa. ek liHaaz se yih saaniHah un kii shariik-i-Hayaat ke liye "a blessing in disguise" kahaa jaa saktaa hai kyoNkih vuh ek taviil 3arse is Haalat meN the kih unheN yaqiin-an kuchh ma3luum nahiiN ho gaa kih un ke ird-gird kyaa ho rahaa hai!

jis video kaa aap zikr kar rahe haiN, yih dar asl Haqiiqii ma3noN meN kabhii ek video hii thaa lekin nah jaane kab kisii ne ise video se audio kaa bhes de diyaa. aap nahiiN maante? achchhaa to phir us aslii video kaa ek paarah suniye aur dekhiye..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwvyFG8iM44&ab_channel=BBCNews%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%88

mujhe to yih video dekh kar yahii maHsuus hotaa hai kih abhii tak Dilip Kumar "Devdas" hii haiN aur xumaar kii Haalat meN haiN!

Naseer

Naseer

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Jul 12, 2021, 1:14:52 PM7/12/21
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B.G.M SaaHib, aadaab.

You are most welcome B.G.M SaaHib. You know my taste in the good things in life is very high and I would n't post anything here that does not meet the very high standards set by our dear friends in this forum!

See my reply to Zoya SaaHibah.

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Naseer

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Jul 12, 2021, 1:51:24 PM7/12/21
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muHtaramah Zoya SaaHibah aadaab 3arz hai

On Sunday, 11 July 2021 at 21:52:39 UTC+1, Zoya wrote:

> Thank you for the links, Naseer sahib. These two are among the several Dilip Kumar interviews that friends have shared with me this week. His command of Urdu language and vocabulary is remarkable, and the style of delivery is impeccable, takes the listeners to a bygone era.

Indeed. And in this era, practically every male and female actor's command of Urdu ranged from being very good to extremely good. This includes people like Prithvi Raj Kapoor, Raj Kapoor, Ashok Kumar, Moti Lal, Premnath, Balraj Sahini, Raj Kumar, Rahman, Nargis, Meena Kumari, Vayjayantimala, Nimmi, Nadira, Farida Jalal and many more including the one and only Sadhna!:-)

PaiGhaam is one of my favourite films starring Dilip Kumar. Here are a couple of romantic scenes you and other friends will enjoy and appreciate. Is n't Vyjayantimala's acting also incredibly beautiful. Just as beautiful as her own beauty! In my view Dilip Kumar and Sunil Datt were two of the most handsome men of Bollywood film industry!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFxtNLuWdM&ab_channel=UltraBollywood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5eSnu9buWs&ab_channel=UltraBollywood (You can miss the song and go straight to 3:24)

Is the intensity of such romance seen in the modern Bollywood films?

> One thing I found interesting is that he quoted, even sang, a Shakeel Badauni ghazal in more than one interview, especially this particular she'r that I have also always liked:
>
> mujhe to hosh nahiiN, aap mashvaraa diije
> kahaaN se ChheRuN fasanaa, kahaaN tamaam karuuN

Yes, you are right. He obviously likes this Ghazal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXvrqvUZWYw&ab_channel=SHAHIDJSIPURI

He seems to have enjoyed singing too. I think he could have become another Talat Mahmood! Here he is showing off his talent with Lata Mangeshkar SaaHibah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kcdZ5zY75I&ab_channel=IMIRZA777

He also tried his hand at singing a malikah-i-tarannum Noor Jahan song!:-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZk9EnKQiRM&ab_channel=BollywoodRetro

> I am really missing Afzal sahib right now, he can add so much more to this thread, I hope he will be able to join us soon.

Yes, Afzal SaaHib being a film expert extraordinaire, would no doubt have had many a tail to tell. I too wish he was here today and telling us all about Dilip Kumar.

Naseer

Zoya

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Jul 13, 2021, 11:14:49 AM7/13/21
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On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 12:51:24 PM UTC-5, Naseer wrote:
> Indeed. And in this era, practically every male and female actor's command of Urdu ranged from being very good to extremely good. This includes people like Prithvi Raj Kapoor, Raj Kapoor, Ashok Kumar, Moti Lal, Premnath, Balraj Sahini, Raj Kumar, Rahman, Nargis, Meena Kumari, Vayjayantimala, Nimmi, Nadira, Farida Jalal and many more including the one and only Sadhna!:-)
>
> PaiGhaam is one of my favourite films starring Dilip Kumar. Here are a couple of romantic scenes you and other friends will enjoy and appreciate. Is n't Vyjayantimala's acting also incredibly beautiful. Just as beautiful as her own beauty! In my view Dilip Kumar and Sunil Datt were two of the most handsome men of Bollywood film industry!

Pretty impressive list, Naseer sahib. Sunil Dutt is one of my all time favorite Bollywood heroes, a perfect gentleman off screen too.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFxtNLuWdM&ab_channel=UltraBollywood

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5eSnu9buWs&ab_channel=UltraBollywood (You can miss the song and go straight to 3:24)

> Is the intensity of such romance seen in the modern Bollywood films?

I haven't seen Paighaam, enjoyed viewing the clips. BTW I had never heard this song either until now. Vyajanti mala is the epitome of South Indian beauty, and a great actress/dancer, no one can match her. Dilip Kumar and VM always made an amazing pair on screen.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXvrqvUZWYw&ab_channel=SHAHIDJSIPURI
>
> He seems to have enjoyed singing too. I think he could have become another Talat Mahmood! Here he is showing off his talent with Lata Mangeshkar SaaHibah!

My first time listening to this recording also. Thanks for the link. Very nice.

> He also tried his hand at singing a malikah-i-tarannum Noor Jahan song!:-)

I am pretty sure you have viewed it before, but in case some other Alup friends have not, I am sharing a link to Dilip Kumar's classic 'Door Darshan' interview with Noor Jahan, when she visited India in the early 80s. This one is a real treat to watch, and I love the part where both of them talk in Punjabi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrMoN4zg1Gg

______Zoya

Raj Kumar

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On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 10:10:02 AM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> On Saturday, 10 July 2021 at 05:54:41 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 2:06:42 AM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> > > dostaan-i-giraamii aadaab.
> > >
> > > aaj subH mere ek dost ne mujhe WhatsApp par Dilip Kumar kii vafaat kii xabar dii hai jis se afsos ke saath un ke ek taviil filmii daur ke ixtitaam kaa iHsaas hu'aa. ham sab ko is jahaaN se ik din jaanaa hai.
> > >
> > > Innaa lillaahi wa innaa ilaihi raaji3uun
> > >
> > > ham Allah ke haiN aur Allah hii ke paas lauTeN ge.
> > >
> > > Allah ta3aalaa un kii maGhfirat kare aur unheN jannat-i-firdaus 3ataa farmaa'e.
> > >
> > > aap sab jaante haiN kih vuh Ghair munqasim Hindustan meN Peshawar ke qissah-xvaanii baazaar meN paidaa hu'e jahaaN se ba3d meN un kaa xaandaan Bombay meN muntaqil ho gayaa aur yahiiN aaj un kaa intiqaal hu'aa hai. un kii shariik-i-Hayaat, Saira Bano SaaHibah bhii ek adaa-kaarah thiiN aur donoN miyaaN-biivii ne ek saath filmoN meN kaam bhii kiyaa hai. in kii ko'ii aulaad nahiiN hai.
> > >
> > > skuul ke zamaane meN maiN ne in kii pahlii film jo dekhii, us kaa naam Ram aur Shyam hai. ba3d meN bahut sii filmeN dekhne kaa mauqa3 milaa jin meN Devdas aur Madhumati merii pasandiidah filmeN haiN.
> > >
> > > adaakaarii meN unhoN ne Raj Kumar, Ashok Kumar, Dev Anand jaise
> > > baRe adaakaaroN ke saath apnaa sikkah bhii jamaayaa aur apnii adaa-kaarii ke avaa'il meN unheN "Tragedy King" kaa xitaab milaa go kih ba3d meN unhoN ne mizaaHiyah filmeN bhii banaa'iiN jin meN Ram aur Shyam shaamil hai. ek pahluu jis meN vuh diigar adaa-kaaroN se munfarid the, vuh un kaa Urdu zabaan par 3ubuur aur shiiriiN andaaz-i-adaa'igii thaa.
> > >
> > > kuchh 3arsah pahle maiN ne un kii yih interview Raj Kumar SaaHib ko bhejii thii. liijiye aap bhii suniye aur lutf-andoz hoiye/huujiye.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfZ-AbEd8o&ab_channel=BBCNewsHindi
> > >
> > > ek aur muxtasar saa video bhii pesh-i-xidmat hai jis meN Dilip Kumar aur Shabana Azami shi3r-o-shaa3irii kaa tazkirah kar rahe haiN. Dilip Kumar SaaHib Faiz kii shaa3rii par baat-chiit kar rahe haiN.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ka4SmHIo7E&ab_channel=AminBhayani
> > >
> > > Naseer
> > -----------------------
> >
> > ***janaab Naseer sahib, "tragedy king" Dilip Kumar sahib ki vafaat par aap ka aqeedat-naama paRh kar dil-o-jaaN ko qadre raaHat naseeb hu'ii, varna yeh saaniHa aisa alam-naak hai k is par yaqeen laane ka amal aur bhi ziyaada dukh-daayak hai. magar kyaa kiyaa jaaye, ham bastagaan-e-zulf-e-getii honii ko an-honii to nahiiN kar sakte. :-(
> >
> > aap ne jo video kuchh hafte pahle Khaaksaar ko bheja tha, maiN ne use tab bhi dekha tha aur ab bhi --- farq yeh hai tab hama-tan masarrat ke saath dekha tha aur ab hama-tan ta'assuf ke saath.
> >
> > ba-har-Haal, aap ki is peshkash ke liye aap ka bahut bahut shukriya.
> >
> > du'aa-go, Raj Kumar***

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> muHtaram Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.
>
> 3aiidat-naamah kyaa, bas 3ujlat meN taHriir kiye hu'e chand jumle the jin se Dilip Kumar kii shaxsiyyat aur adaa-kaarii se bi_lkul insaaf nahiiN ho sakaa. ek liHaaz se yih saaniHah un kii shariik-i-Hayaat ke liye "a blessing in disguise" kahaa jaa saktaa hai kyoNkih vuh ek taviil 3arse is Haalat meN the kih unheN yaqiin-an kuchh ma3luum nahiiN ho gaa kih un ke ird-gird kyaa ho rahaa hai!
>
###janaab-e-man, yeh kyaa? maiN ne to aqeedat-naama kahaa tha, aur aap ayaadat-naame ki baat kar rahe haiN. Huzuur, ayaadat ka vaqt to tab hota hai jab insaan beemaar ho magar abhi ba-qaid-e-Hayaat ho. jab insaan chal hi basaa to phir ayaadat "che ma'ani daarad"? yeh to vuhi baat hu'ii:

tum aaj aaye ho us kii mizaaj-pursii ko
zamaana ho gayaa jab Qais kii vafaat hu'ii :-)
###

> jis video kaa aap zikr kar rahe haiN, yih dar asl Haqiiqii ma3noN meN kabhii ek video hii thaa lekin nah jaane kab kisii ne ise video se audio kaa bhes de diyaa. aap nahiiN maante? achchhaa to phir us aslii video kaa ek paarah suniye aur dekhiye..
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwvyFG8iM44&ab_channel=BBCNews%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%88
>
> mujhe to yih video dekh kar yahii maHsuus hotaa hai kih abhii tak Dilip Kumar "Devdas" hii haiN aur xumaar kii Haalat meN haiN!
>
###aap ka irsaal-karda yeh muKhtasar sa video nazar-navaaz hu'aa. mazaa aa gayaa ise dekh kar aur sun kar ---- voh kyaa she'r hai:

baat karte haiN, phuul jhaRte haiN
tarz-e-guftaar ho to aisii ho!

aap ka yeh kahna bajaa hai k Dilip saab is interview ke vaqt bhi Devdas hi ki taraH maKhmuur lag rahe the. aap ki is baat par yaad aayaa k ham bachpan meN sunaa karte the: "naam Khumaarii Naanakaa chaRhii rahe din raat". magar eeN-Hazrat ka to yeh aalam tha k in par "naam Khumaarii" ki bajaaye "jaam Khumaarii" ka shaa'iba hota tha! :-)

niyaaz-maNd, Raj Kumar###
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Naseer

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On Wednesday, 14 July 2021 at 05:40:37 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:

muHtaram Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab 3arz hai.

> > 3aiidat-naamah kyaa, bas 3ujlat meN taHriir kiye hu'e chand jumle the jin se Dilip Kumar kii shaxsiyyat aur adaa-kaarii se bi_lkul insaaf nahiiN ho sakaa. ek liHaaz se yih saaniHah un kii shariik-i-Hayaat ke liye "a blessing in disguise" kahaa jaa saktaa hai kyoNkih vuh ek taviil 3arse is Haalat meN the kih unheN yaqiin-an kuchh ma3luum nahiiN ho gaa kih un ke ird-gird kyaa ho rahaa hai!

> ###janaab-e-man, yeh kyaa? maiN ne to aqeedat-naama kahaa tha, aur aap ayaadat-naame ki baat kar rahe haiN. Huzuur, ayaadat ka vaqt to tab hota hai jab insaan beemaar ho magar abhi ba-qaid-e-Hayaat ho. jab insaan chal hi basaa to phir ayaadat "che ma'ani daarad"? yeh to vuhi baat hu'ii:
>
> tum aaj aaye ho us kii mizaaj-pursii ko
> zamaana ho gayaa jab Qais kii vafaat hu'ii :-)
> ###

bas itnaa (ma3nii) hii kih mujh se likhne meN xataa sar-zad ho ga'ii aur aap ko paRhne meN Ghalatii! janaab-i-3aalii mujhe عقیدت hii likhnaa maqsuud thaa. sirf likhte vaqt mujh se ق type karnaa chhuuT gayaa aur 3aqiidat kii bajaa'e 3aiidat likh diyaa! bhalaa mujh se عیادت aur عقیدت ke farq kii laGhzish kaise ho saktii hai?!:-) 3a-qii-dat meN "qii" hai aur 3a-yaa-dat meN "yaa"! yih alag baat hai kih ham PanjaabiyoN par aksar ilzaam lagaayaa jaataa hai kih ham (tamaam Punjabi qaum) qaaf kaa talaffuz nahiiN kar sakte! isii baat ko zihn meN rakhte hu'e sochaa, "ham logoN kii "qaaf adaa'igii" to hai hii mashkuuk. kyoN nah qaaf ko haRap kiyaa jaa'e!"

Allah Qais SaaHib ko nah sirf lambii 3umr 3ataa farmaa'e balkih saath hii jismaanii aur dimaaGhii siHHat bhii!

> > jis video kaa aap zikr kar rahe haiN, yih dar asl Haqiiqii ma3noN meN kabhii ek video hii thaa lekin nah jaane kab kisii ne ise video se audio kaa bhes de diyaa. aap nahiiN maante? achchhaa to phir us aslii video kaa ek paarah suniye aur dekhiye..
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwvyFG8iM44&ab_channel=BBCNews%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%88
> >
> > mujhe to yih video dekh kar yahii maHsuus hotaa hai kih abhii tak Dilip Kumar "Devdas" hii haiN aur xumaar kii Haalat meN haiN!
> >
> ###aap ka irsaal-karda yeh muKhtasar sa video nazar-navaaz hu'aa. mazaa aa gayaa ise dekh kar aur sun kar ---- voh kyaa she'r hai:
>
> baat karte haiN, phuul jhaRte haiN
> tarz-e-guftaar ho to aisii ho!

vaah! jii haaN aisii hii ho!

> aap ka yeh kahna bajaa hai k Dilip saab is interview ke vaqt bhi Devdas hi ki taraH maKhmuur lag rahe the. aap ki is baat par yaad aayaa k ham bachpan meN sunaa karte the: "naam Khumaarii Naanakaa chaRhii rahe din raat". magar eeN-Hazrat ka to yeh aalam tha k in par "naam Khumaarii" ki bajaaye "jaam Khumaarii" ka shaa'iba hota tha! :-)
>
> niyaaz-maNd, Raj Kumar###

mujhe bhii Halaq meN "jaam-rezii" kaa shak hu'aa thaa lekin yih bhii ho saktaa hai kih un par safar aur kam-xvaabii kaa asar ho.

liijiye yih video bhii dekhiye aur is kaa ta3alluq Urdu shaa3irii se hai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWJFh6v4cEg&ab_channel=IndianRepublicDayKaviSammelanandMushaira

yih video 1989 kaa hai. yahaaN mujhe maHsuus hotaa hai kih un kaa Alzheimer rog shuruu3 ho chukaa thaa. ek video meN Waheedah Rahman SaaHibah farmaatii haiN kih unheN Dilip Kumar se mulaaqaat kiye 10 baras ho ga'e haiN. yih vuh mauqah thaa jab Saira Bano SaaHibah ne un (Dilip Kumar) ke liye ek bahut baRii paarTii mun3aqid kii thii. vuh Waheedah Rahman SaaHibah ko is paarTii meN pahchaan_ne se qaasir rahe! ghuur ghuur kar dekh rahe the, aaNkhoN meN aaNsuu bhii aa ga'e lekin dimaaGh ne dil kaa saath nahiiN diyaa! (-:

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