Test: Urdu rasm ul Khat
Zafar
مين يه خط اردو رسم الخط مين تحرير کررها
هون. اس کي ليي آپ کو يوني کود براوزر کي
ضرورت هو گي.
شعر ملاحظه هو
وقت پيري شباب کي باتين
ايسي هين جيسي خواب کي باتين
ظفر اقبال سيد
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If instead of Urdu script you see garbled text above, try this:
Go to "View" menu on the top bar of your Internet Explorer. From the
dropdown menu, select "Encoding" and click on "Unicode (UTF-8)".
You may also want to enlarge the text size by View > Text size >
Largest.
(I'm assuming you're using MS IE version 5 or higher.)
Zafar
Afzal A. Khan
Urdu characters can be seen, but the trick is to read
the script in the English or Roman style, i.e. from
left to right. Otherwise, one will be liable to "read"
the last line as :
d y s l a b q a r f z (reading from right to left).
The last line actually reads : "Zafar Iqbal Syed"
The message also contains a sher by Zauq :
Waqt-e-peeri shabaab kee baateN
Aisi haiN jaise KH(w)aab kee baateN
Afzal
UVR
> Zafar wrote:
> >
> > Zafar wrote:
> > مين يه خط اردو رسم الخط مين تحرير
کررها
> >
> > ظفر اقبال سيد
> >
> >
> > (I'm assuming you're using MS IE version 5 or higher.)
> >
> > Zafar
>
> Urdu characters can be seen, but the trick is to read
> the script in the English or Roman style, i.e. from
> left to right. Otherwise, one will be liable to "read"
> the last line as :
>
> d y s l a b q a r f z (reading from right to left).
>
> The last line actually reads : "Zafar Iqbal Syed"
>
Not quite. What you (and any other user will) see is an artefact
of the functionality available in his/her Usenet news reader or
browser. For example, I myself am able to read the text (beginning
'maiN yeh Khat Urdu rasm ulKhat meN taHreer kar rahaa [hooN]') in
the traditional right-to-left manner using Firefox 1.0.1 on Unix
and/or Windows. Indeed, it is using the LEFT-to-RIGHT manner of
reading that I would see it as "d y s l a b q a r f z".
It entirely depends on your news-*reading* software and operating
environment. And that is the reason why posting in non-Roman
characters is strongly discouraged on ALUP. As Zafar saahib's
current exercise proves, the time has not yet come for non-Roman
Urdu to be used on ALUP.
-UVR.
Roshan Kamath
> characters is strongly discouraged on ALUP. As Zafar saahib's
> current exercise proves, the time has not yet come for non-Roman
> Urdu to be used on ALUP.
Mebbe the ALUP-FAQ could be augmented with guiding
principles on how to enable unicode/UTF8 support with
the Farsi+Arabic script for most common
browser+platform combinations. (We might also add a
section on standard/common urdU keyboard maps.) ALUP
could then reasonably expect, or insist, everyone to
move up to reading it in unicode within the next year
or so. It has to happen someday, and this is as good a
time as any! Most of ALUP readers who access it from
Google-like web interfaces may find it easiest to
'upgrade'.
But if there is even one regular reader of ALUP who
will be unable to move up to unicode we may have to
take a second look. But I sincerely believe it is time
for ALUP to evolve beyond its humble beginnings :)
rosh
---
कहते हैँ तेरी झ़ुल्फ़-ए परीशाँ को ज़िनदगी।
ऐ दोस्त! ज़िनदगी की तमन्ना बुरी नहीँ!
- ??
UVR
>
> Mebbe the ALUP-FAQ could be augmented with guiding
> principles on how to enable unicode/UTF8 support with
> the Farsi+Arabic script for most common
> browser+platform combinations. (We might also add a
> section on standard/common urdU keyboard maps.) ALUP
> could then reasonably expect, or insist, everyone to
> move up to reading it in unicode within the next year
> or so. It has to happen someday, and this is as good a
> time as any! Most of ALUP readers who access it from
> Google-like web interfaces may find it easiest to
> 'upgrade'.
I humbly disagree with this proposal for the simple reason
that "most ... readers" is not the same as "all readers".
Anything that interferes with the status quo (where *all*
readers are able to read everything posted on ALUP) and
creates problems (of whatever intensity) to some users, is
surely the Wrong Thing To Do, and does not have my support.
> But if there is even one regular reader of ALUP who
> will be unable to move up to unicode we may have to
> take a second look. But I sincerely believe it is time
> for ALUP to evolve beyond its humble beginnings :)
I don't see why regular readers should 'upgrade' in the
first place. What is the 'crime' that a frequent reader
such as Afzal saahib has committed that he must be
sentenced to undertake special steps to upgrade himself?
Why should the 'wishes' of a few like Roshan, Zafar or
UVR (yes, indeed: if ALUP allows UTF-8 posts, *I* shall
also post in non-Roman) trump the readability 'needs'
of others?
-UVR.
Roshan Kamath
>>Google-like web interfaces may find it easiest to
>>'upgrade'.
>
>
> I humbly disagree with this proposal for the simple reason
> that "most ... readers" is not the same as "all readers".
[I guess my "Most of ..." sentence was liable to be
misconstrued. I didn't mean to suggest that most ALUP
readers use Google-like web interfaces. Rather, what I
had meant was "Most of _those_ ALUP readers who use
Google-like ..."]
In any case, I do agree that "most readers" is not the
same as "all readers". Though, I would still persist in
suggesting that we explore the unicode option because
in my experience whenever any change is introduced it
is hardly possible to 'satisfy' each and every soul in
the existing status quo. However, see comments below.
> Anything that interferes with the status quo (where *all*
> readers are able to read everything posted on ALUP) and
> creates problems (of whatever intensity) to some users, is
> surely the Wrong Thing To Do, and does not have my support.
How about his: would you/others support it if *all*
readers are willing to accomodate the pains to enable
unicode support at their end. Maybe this is what we
should look into: how many of ALUP members are
eager/open to switch to unicode to enable them to read
ALUP in the arabic/persian script? Ofcourse, what
constitues *all readers* is definitely open to
discussion :)
> I don't see why regular readers should 'upgrade' in the
> first place. What is the 'crime' that a frequent reader
> such as Afzal saahib has committed that he must be
> sentenced to undertake special steps to upgrade himself?
Indeed none! But please do not view this as a
crime-n-punishment routine? I'm sorry if it looked as
if I was suggesting that those who are not
unicode-aware currently are guilty of infarctions :) I
was merely suggesting options that we could explore. If
Afzal Sahib (to extend the example) is ok with taking
the step of enabling right-to-left language support in
his OS (which is hopefully as simple as a putting a
check-mark in his settings/control-panel) he would only
stand to gain! He probably already has unicode aware
fonts for perso-arabic and is more than half way there.
> Why should the 'wishes' of a few like Roshan, Zafar or
> UVR (yes, indeed: if ALUP allows UTF-8 posts, *I* shall
> also post in non-Roman) trump the readability 'needs'
> of others?
I agree here totally. I guess the one way that ALUP
could 'naturally' evolve towards a unicode/UTF-8 group
would be if people start posting in UTF-8/urdu of their
own volition. Eventually, if that becomes the defacto
idiom, that would be the point at which ALUP would be
truly unicode aware. But I suspect that ALUP would
gravitate towards a mixed UTF-8/urdu and UTF-8/roman in
the long run.
chow time,
rosh
minh...@gmail.com
تمام محققین انگریزی میں اظہار خیال کر
رہے ہیں۔
اوہ اردو سے محبت رکھنے والو! کوئی ایک
آدھ تو اردو میں بات کر لے۔
jess
http://www.geocities.com/urdutext/