Etymology of pulcher ?

Dragonòt

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Dec 5, 2015, 3:05:12 AM12/5/15

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What assumptions there are about the etymology of pulcher ?
I found the Greek "polychros" or the etruscan "malakh/mlakh"
(http://paleoglot.blogspot.it/2007/06/latin-pulcher-is-it-really-etruscan.html)
.
But nothing sure.
Bepe

Evertjan.

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Dec 5, 2015, 4:44:47 AM12/5/15

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Dragonòt <drag...@libero.it> wrote on 05 Dec 2015 in alt.language.latin:

> What assumptions there are about the etymology of pulcher ?
> I found the Greek "polychros" or the etruscan "malakh/mlakh"
> (http://paleoglot.blogspot.it/2007/06/latin-pulcher-is-it-really-etruscan
> .html)

I vnreasonably assvmed "ivvenvm pvlcherrimvs alter" like the "pvella" to
have come "qvas oriens habvit" from the rising svn too. ;-)

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"Uncertain. Possibly from earlier polcher, which according to Walde-Hoffman
and Pokorny reflects Proto-Indo-European *per?- ?(“motley, variegated”),
with dissimilation *per?-ro-s > *pel?-ro-s.

De Vaan rejects that connection as both irregular and semantically
incompatible, and assigns no etymology."
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pulcher>

see pdf-page 1293 [= 384] of
Lateinisch etymologisches Worterbuch, Walde und Hofmann 1938
<https://ia802705.us.archive.org/31/items/walde/Walde_text.pdf>

And if you have mony to spare:

Vergleichendes Wörterbuch der indogermanischen Sprachen Gebundene Ausgabe –
1. Oktober 1973 von Julius Pokorny
<http://www.amazon.de/Vergleichendes-W%C3%B6rterbuch-indogermanischen-
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Michiel de Vaan (2008), Etymological Dictionary of Latin and the other
Italic Languages, Leiden, Boston: Brill Academic Publishers, page 496
<http://www.brill.com/etymological-dictionary-latin>

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Ed Cryer

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Dec 5, 2015, 7:27:02 AM12/5/15

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It's a refinement of "polcer" which is related to "polio".
http://tinyurl.com/j3tbrsg

Ed

Evertjan.

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Dec 5, 2015, 9:03:32 AM12/5/15

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Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 05 Dec 2015 in
alt.language.latin:

My sources, see the other posting, doubt that.

Dragonòt

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Dec 6, 2015, 4:28:52 AM12/6/15

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> "Evertjan." ha scritto:

>>> I found the Greek "polychros" or the etruscan "malakh/mlakh"
>>

>> It's a refinement of "polcer" which is related to "polio".
>

> My sources, see the other posting, doubt that.

I think that the maintenance of phoneme "ch" ( non-Latin ) in pulchra,
pulchrum makes impossible this hypothesis.
Bepe

Evertjan.

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Dec 8, 2015, 11:01:47 AM12/8/15

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What hypothesis?

Many res pulchrae need maintenance indeed,
by polire possibly.

Dragonòt

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Dec 9, 2015, 12:17:34 AM12/9/15

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> "Evertjan." ha scritto:

>>>> It's a refinement of "polcer" which is related to "polio".
>>

>> I think that the maintenance of phoneme "ch" ( non-Latin ) in pulchra,
>> pulchrum makes impossible this hypothesis.
>
> What hypothesis?

The hypotesis of "polcer".
Bepe

Evertjan.

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Dec 9, 2015, 4:29:23 AM12/9/15

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I agree with you.

What was the pronounciation of this "ch", say by Cicero?

The "c" was a "k" in that time, methinks.

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The graffiti with "sesar" in Pompeii seem to announce
the start of the [vulgar] "s" pronounciation of the "c",
the Italian "tsj" probably much later [when?]

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_C>
and
<https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_dolce>
lack specific or estimated dates.

See also:
<http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/Grammar/Latin-Pronunciation-
Syllable-Accent.html>