Reading The Paper (ansi character extensions: Mac readable?)
Edward Casey
Trâmine subterrâneô vehêbar â mûnicipiô Rêgînae ad officînam in Manhattanô.
Fînem fêcî acta diurna legendî quae collêgîs meîs cônservâbam. Quînam acta
diurna in trâmine subterrâneô sunt cônservanda? In eîs însideâs. Vector
advena intrâvit, acta diurna sub natibus meîs vîdit, mêque rogâvit
quaestiône tantum nôn stultissima umquam â mê audîtâ: "Legisne acta diurna
ista?" Surrêxî, pâginam revolvî, rêctâque viâ in acta iterum însêdî
respondêns, "Ita vêrô, legô."
I was commuting from the Borough of Queens to my job in Manhattan. I'd
finished reading the morning paper and was saving it to bring to friends on
the job.
How do you save a newspaper on the subway? You sit on it.
A new commuter came in, saw the newspaper under my rear end and asked
the second most stupid question I've ever heard, "Are you reading that
paper?"
I stood up, turned the page, sat right back down on the paper and answered,
"Yes."
From rec.humor.jewish by David Rubin
Can Mac users see the circumflex marks over the vowels in the Latin text?
Edward Casey
"Edward Casey" <ej...@cpinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Dê acta diurna legendô
> Trâmine subterrâneô vehêbar â mûnicipiô Rêgînae ad officînam in
Manhattanô.
> Fînem fêcî acta diurna legendî quae collêgîs meîs cônservâbam. Quînam acta
> diurna in trâmine subterrâneô sunt cônservanda? In eîs însideâs. Vector
> advena intrâvit, acta diurna sub natibus meîs vîdit, mêque rogâvit
> quaestiône tantum nôn stultissima umquam â mê audîtâ: "Legisne acta diurna
> ista?"
Of course the "macron" I missed was on the word "stultissimâ"
Robert FISHER
>
> Can Mac users see the circumflex marks over the vowels in the Latin text?
>
Infeliciter computatrum uxoris abest ut reparetur. Ita non possum
probare. I would be very surprised, however, if the circumflexes didn't
appear correctly on it with Mac OS X and Mozilla 1.0.
I'm likewise pretty sure they wouldn't have appeared correctly on the
newsreader I used years ago under Mac OS 7 & 8.
This is really more of a newsreader issue than a Mac issue. Although the
more recent Mac OS versions certainly make it easier for programmers to
handle various charsets correctly than when I programmed for Macs.
I never understood why Apple took so long to provide any OS support for
ISO-8859-1. Even Microsoft adopted it as the standard Windows charset
(in the US), although they couldn't resist adding some additional
characters to code points that ISO intentionally left vacant.
atypus
long vowels? "Character Map" does not seem to work with "Outlook Express".
How can we obtain "ansi character extensions"?
Many thanks
atypus
>
Ed Cryer
"atypus" <pet...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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Alt + keys on number pad
------------------------
á = 160 à = 133 â = 131 ä = 132
é = 130 è = 138 ê = 136 ë = 137
í = 161 ì = 141 î = 140 ï = 139
ó = 162 ò = 149 ô = 147 ö = 148
ú = 163 ù = 151 û = 150 ü = 129
ç = 135 Ç = 128
ñ = 164 Ñ = 165
When I'm writing Spanish or French, I just flip to a Spanish keyboard as in
Windows, and use that.
Ed
.Ernest A. Bennett
Why not build a set of macros using the various accented vowels, etc. For
Latin text I set up a set of macros for macrons as single key strokes.
Ernestus
"atypus" <pet...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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Robert FISHER
> Would you be kind enough to say how the rest of us can put symbols over our
> long vowels? "Character Map" does not seem to work with "Outlook Express".
> How can we obtain "ansi character extensions"?
>
I just tried Character Map with Outlook Express to insert an "ê" and it
worked just fine. (Outlook Express 5 & Windows 2000)
You'll want to make sure the message's charset is set to ISO-8859-1. To
do so, go to the "Format" menu, then the "Encoding" sub-menu, and choose
"Western European (ISO)". (There are other encodings that could be used,
of course, but this is what Eduardus used, and would be what I would
recommnd.)
There's a Windows program called AllChars that is handy for typing
accents. With it, you tap the control key, then type (e.g.) "e^" to get "ê".
Really, though, you can do much better than Outlook Express for reading
news on Windows.
<http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/gnksa-evaluations.html>
I like xnews, which is free. It's maybe a bit less intuitable than
Outlook Express, but if you take a little time to read the manual and
learn how it works, it can make reading news much more efficient.
(In fact, there's a couple of features of xnews I really miss. The only
Linux newsreader of any value I can use without having to upgrade lots
of things is mozilla. On the other hand, xnews ONLY supported
ISO-8859-1, where mozilla can pretty much handle any charset. So, I
could read the Esperanto groups again if I wanted.)
Spéro te his iútum iri.
Edward Casey
"Robert FISHER" <rob...@ibooks.com> wrote in message
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> atypus wrote:
> > Would you be kind enough to say how the rest of us can put symbols over
our
> > long vowels? "Character Map" does not seem to work with "Outlook
Express".
> > How can we obtain "ansi character extensions"?
> >
>
>
> worked just fine. (Outlook Express 5 & Windows 2000)
>
> You'll want to make sure the message's charset is set to ISO-8859-1. To
> do so, go to the "Format" menu, then the "Encoding" sub-menu, and choose
> "Western European (ISO)". (There are other encodings that could be used,
> of course, but this is what Eduardus used, and would be what I would
> recommnd.)
I recommend Tavultesoft (free to non-commercial users). For me it's too
clumsy to go to Character Map every time I want to type a diacritical mark.
There is a "local" expert on this program, a certain Lukas (Lucas?) Pietsch
who visits this newsgroup once in a while. I think he has published some
free routines that use the Tavultesoft compiler. If not, it's fairly easy to
modify the sample programs that come with the Keyman compiler. This requires
very minimal programming ability. What would really be useful is a macron
macro, using which you could click on a bare vowel and change it to a long
one. This is probably very easy in emacs and very difficult in MS Word. Any
programmers out there?
[...]
Eduardus
Ed Cryer
>
> "Robert FISHER" <rob...@ibooks.com> wrote in message
> news:3E36913A...@ibooks.com...
> > atypus wrote:
> > > Would you be kind enough to say how the rest of us can put symbols
over
> our
> > > long vowels? "Character Map" does not seem to work with "Outlook
> Express".
> > > How can we obtain "ansi character extensions"?
> > >
> >
> >
> > worked just fine. (Outlook Express 5 & Windows 2000)
> >
> > You'll want to make sure the message's charset is set to ISO-8859-1. To
> > do so, go to the "Format" menu, then the "Encoding" sub-menu, and choose
> > "Western European (ISO)". (There are other encodings that could be used,
> > of course, but this is what Eduardus used, and would be what I would
> > recommnd.)
>
> I recommend Tavultesoft (free to non-commercial users). For me it's too
> clumsy to go to Character Map every time I want to type a diacritical
mark.
> There is a "local" expert on this program, a certain Lukas (Lucas?)
Pietsch
> who visits this newsgroup once in a while. I think he has published some
> free routines that use the Tavultesoft compiler. If not, it's fairly easy
to
> modify the sample programs that come with the Keyman compiler. This
requires
> very minimal programming ability. What would really be useful is a macron
> macro, using which you could click on a bare vowel and change it to a long
> one. This is probably very easy in emacs and very difficult in MS Word.
Any
> programmers out there?
>
> [...]
>
> Eduardus
>
amplified.
There are five characters, вкофы. All available from alt+number pad. Just
use them a few times and they will stay in your memory.
Ed
Edward Casey
"Ed Cryer" <e...@ecryer.freeserve.co.ukNOSPAM> wrote in message
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[...]
> > I recommend Tavultesoft (free to non-commercial users). For me it's too
> > clumsy to go to Character Map every time I want to type a diacritical
> mark.
> > There is a "local" expert on this program, a certain Lukas (Lucas?)
> Pietsch
> > who visits this newsgroup once in a while. I think he has published some
> > free routines that use the Tavultesoft compiler. If not, it's fairly
easy
> to
> > modify the sample programs that come with the Keyman compiler. This
> requires
> > very minimal programming ability. What would really be useful is a
macron
> > macro, using which you could click on a bare vowel and change it to a
long
> > one. This is probably very easy in emacs and very difficult in MS Word.
> Any
> > programmers out there?
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Eduardus
> >
> That would really be providing for the man who has everything; laziness
> amplified.
> There are five characters, âêîôû. All available from alt+number pad. Just
> use them a few times and they will stay in your memory.
>
> Ed
Far be it from me to deny that I am lazy but I think this is a case of smart
laziness. In some contexts it is necessary to depress 4 keys in succession
while holding down the alt key. In addition the cursor has to be moved
around if you are adding the circumflexes after the text has already been
typed out. I think this is probably more efficient than producing the
diacriticals as the text is composed (or copied). It took me 25 minutes
(including time to look up doubtful words) to mark the "macrons" in the
following text which was already a Word file. If we had the utility I was
talking about, it would be extremely useful for both teachers and students,
since this same text could be marked up in 5 or 6 minutes.
"Tum rêx atque rêgîna, postquam dîlectam suam prôlem dêôsculâtî essent, quîn
fîlia sêsê commôvisset, rêgiam dêrelîquêrunt, mandâtîs in ûniversum rêgnum
dîmissîs, nêquis omnînô palâtium appropinquâret. Caeterum hîs mandâtîs opus
haud erat, namque intrâ quadrantem hôrae circum hortôs lûcumque tanta
multitûdô celsârum arborum atque humilium, tanta dênsitûdô fruticum, dûmêtî,
veprium atque spînârum ita inter sê plexârum accrêvit, ut nec hominês, nec
ferae eô penetrâre possent, ac profectô, ex tôta rêgiâ, praeterquam têcta
turrium, et haec ex longinquô tantum, cernî posset. Nec est plâne dubitandum
quîn et hae cautêlae opus diae essent, et eô quidem cônsiliô, ut dum Rêgia
Fîlia dormîret, ab oculîs cûriôsôrum nihil verendum habêret.
Exactîs dêmum annîs centum, câsû fortuîtô êvênit, ut fîlius cuiusdam rêgis
tunc rêgnantis, ex dîversâ familiâ quam cuius puella dormiêns erat sobolês,
iîs in partibus vênârêtur. Cônspectîs turribus ê vastîs silvîs albicantibus,
anquîrêbat ab accolîs, quae eae rês essent.
Rûsticî regiônis eî nârrâvêrunt quae fandô ab avîs audîvêrunt. Eôrum aliquî
retulêrunt vetustum illud esse castellum â spectrîs înfestâtum; aliîs
placuit locum eum esse ubi cunctî eius regiônis magî congregârî, lautêque
agere cônsuêvissent. Maxime tamen vulgâta opîniô volêbat mônstrum quoddam
anthropophagum illîc sêdês fîxâs habêre, quod omnês quôs capere posset
puerôs, rapere, ac per ôtium dêvorâre solêret. Mônstrum illud persequî
nêminem posse aiêbant, quod praeter illud ipsum dênsâs silvâs nêmô penetrâre
quîret.
Rêgius itaque adolêscêns nec quid, nec cui crêderet, scîvit. Aliquis dênique
rûsticus aetâte prôvectior haec nârrâbat adolêscentî: "Celsissime Prînceps,
plûs quam quînquâgintâ ab hinc annîs audîvî aliquem patrî meô nârrâre,
aliquam ibi latêre Rêgiam Fîliam, omnium in orbe terrârum pulcherrimam. Eam
ibi centum annôs dormiendô dêgere oportuisse, foreque ut aliquis Rêgius
Fîlius eam post lapsum centêsimî annî expergefactûrus esset." Audîtîs hîs
Rêgius Iuvenis animô admodum commôtus est. Nihil enim dubitâbat id sibi â
fâtîs commissum, ut sopôrem puellae rumperet, însuper, et amôre atque,
ambitiône etiam accênsus, continuô statuit experîrî, utrum relâta vêra
essent."
Ed Alter
Ed Cryer
Is it not more usual to use the long and short diacritical marks that you
find in Latin editions of poetry, showing how to scan a line? I guess that
would be preferable, no?
I have a suggestion, but it would need HTML to implement. Does that rule it
out? What you need is a font that includes characters for the five vowels,
long and short giving ten extra in all. There's a font which comes, I think,
supplied with Windows called "Bookshelf Symbol 1", and this includes
characters to do the job. Unfortunately it doesn't also contain standard
letters. So what I'm suggesting is either to find a font that has all
relevant in it (There are millions of fonts available out there. It's a
matter of posting a request in the appropriate newsgroup) or make one with
one of the shareware and freeware programs available to do the job.
When using it you would have to ensure that the recipient/s had the same
font in their PC.
Ed
Johannes Patruus
> Would you be kind enough to say how the rest of us can put symbols over our
> long vowels? "Character Map" does not seem to work with "Outlook Express".
> How can we obtain "ansi character extensions"?
Of interest - this morning I hit on a sort of Google search page with
a line of accented characters, clicking on any of which transfers it
into the search box.
http://www.faganfinder.com/google.html
Johannes