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Homophobia Is Just a Homosexual Propaganda Term, a term they made up
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Mike Norman
Dec 30, 2011, 2:55:55 PM12/30/11
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As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
who value marriage and traditional family values, and as Matt
Barber of Liberty Counsel describes:
is designed to label negatively anyone who holds traditional
values about human sexuality and marriage. He believes parents
should be in an uproar. ”We have here public education once
again trying to co-opt the proper role of parents, trying to
impose their ideology on children whether or not that happens to
be the ideology that parents share,” he points out.
Sarah Arnold, a Wisconson public high school teacher is
apparently so concerned with this made up term, that she created
a program for her students entitled, “Exposing Hidden
Homophobia. ” She heard an “anti-gay undertone” in her students
conversations and took it upon herself to educate her English
students on the issue. Arnold claims that although the student
body is mostly white, there are “unacknowledged” demographics at
her school. So she decided to address these hidden
demographics, i.e. the GLBT students (gay, lesbian, bisexual and
transgendered) and pass it off as an English lesson.
The program Arnold developed included “in-depth exploration of
depictions” of homosexuality in mass media; several homosexual-
themed films, documentaries, books and novels; internet research
on “the nature of homophobia”; and a “homophobia questionnaire”
coupled with a “heterosexual questionnaire” designed to take
questions “commonly asked of homosexuals and ask them of
heterosexuals” – e.g., “When did you decide to become
heterosexual?’”
Who asks a child that? And yes, for those of you who might not
realize it, high school students are still children. The source
material that this teacher has exposed these children to is and
outrage. When students were reluctant and parents “balked,” (as
well they should), especially Christian parents, Arnold defended
her homophobia program by arguing,
that the project supported “higher-order thinking skills”
because students were asked to perform such tasks as assembling
and presenting portfolios of their research into homosexual
culture and media.
I don’t know if this lady just got out of college or what, but I
think that that her homosexual promo program is not the only
way, or even an acceptable or necessary way, to teach “higher-
order thinking skills” to students. Arnold has since attracted
outside interest in her “homophobia” program, and she has thus
made her resources and lesson plans available for other public
school teachers to use so they can indoctrinate their own
students with hyped homophobia propaganda. She also includes
with her lesson plans, shortened versions of her “Hidden
Homophobia Unit,” which you can read here.
http://www.tolerance.org/teach/activities/activity.jsp?ar=1017
Laurie Higgins of the Illinois Family Institute (IFI) said she
was “speechless” when she learned of the curriculum.
Matt Barber says the program is really intended to indoctrinate
children into thinking that homosexual behavior is okay. “The
term ‘homophobia’ is a made-up term, made up by homosexual
activists, that has no scientific value, no clinical value
whatsoever,” he contends. “It’s merely a propaganda term.”
“Wisconsin public schools are permitting radical ideologues to
use public money to promote their subversive, unproven moral
conclusions and political goals about homosexuality,” said
Higgins in an IFI article. “These propagandists, who should be
teaching history or literature or writing, are instead pursuing
their illegitimate goals of transforming the views of other
people’s children on the contentious issue of homosexuality.”
“Arnold, like countless other English teachers, bases her text
selections on whether the ideas conform to and advance her socio-
political goals and her particular moral convictions,” said
Higgins. “And she’s doing this with public money.”
Wow… with all of the recent financial shortages in public
schools, I am quite sure that schools can find better and more
productive ways to spend the little moeny they do have. Sarah
Arnold likely isn’t the only public school teacher taking leeway
with her lesson plans to indoctrinate your children with their
personal ideologies. Have you discussed curriculum with your
child’s teachers? Do you know what your children are reading,
watching and being exposed to by these radical liberals?
http://thejournalistachronicle.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/homophob
ia-is-just-a-homosexual-propaganda-term-a-term-they-made-up/
used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
who value marriage and traditional family values, and as Matt
Barber of Liberty Counsel describes:
is designed to label negatively anyone who holds traditional
values about human sexuality and marriage. He believes parents
should be in an uproar. ”We have here public education once
again trying to co-opt the proper role of parents, trying to
impose their ideology on children whether or not that happens to
be the ideology that parents share,” he points out.
Sarah Arnold, a Wisconson public high school teacher is
apparently so concerned with this made up term, that she created
a program for her students entitled, “Exposing Hidden
Homophobia. ” She heard an “anti-gay undertone” in her students
conversations and took it upon herself to educate her English
students on the issue. Arnold claims that although the student
body is mostly white, there are “unacknowledged” demographics at
her school. So she decided to address these hidden
demographics, i.e. the GLBT students (gay, lesbian, bisexual and
transgendered) and pass it off as an English lesson.
The program Arnold developed included “in-depth exploration of
depictions” of homosexuality in mass media; several homosexual-
themed films, documentaries, books and novels; internet research
on “the nature of homophobia”; and a “homophobia questionnaire”
coupled with a “heterosexual questionnaire” designed to take
questions “commonly asked of homosexuals and ask them of
heterosexuals” – e.g., “When did you decide to become
heterosexual?’”
Who asks a child that? And yes, for those of you who might not
realize it, high school students are still children. The source
material that this teacher has exposed these children to is and
outrage. When students were reluctant and parents “balked,” (as
well they should), especially Christian parents, Arnold defended
her homophobia program by arguing,
that the project supported “higher-order thinking skills”
because students were asked to perform such tasks as assembling
and presenting portfolios of their research into homosexual
culture and media.
I don’t know if this lady just got out of college or what, but I
think that that her homosexual promo program is not the only
way, or even an acceptable or necessary way, to teach “higher-
order thinking skills” to students. Arnold has since attracted
outside interest in her “homophobia” program, and she has thus
made her resources and lesson plans available for other public
school teachers to use so they can indoctrinate their own
students with hyped homophobia propaganda. She also includes
with her lesson plans, shortened versions of her “Hidden
Homophobia Unit,” which you can read here.
http://www.tolerance.org/teach/activities/activity.jsp?ar=1017
Laurie Higgins of the Illinois Family Institute (IFI) said she
was “speechless” when she learned of the curriculum.
Matt Barber says the program is really intended to indoctrinate
children into thinking that homosexual behavior is okay. “The
term ‘homophobia’ is a made-up term, made up by homosexual
activists, that has no scientific value, no clinical value
whatsoever,” he contends. “It’s merely a propaganda term.”
“Wisconsin public schools are permitting radical ideologues to
use public money to promote their subversive, unproven moral
conclusions and political goals about homosexuality,” said
Higgins in an IFI article. “These propagandists, who should be
teaching history or literature or writing, are instead pursuing
their illegitimate goals of transforming the views of other
people’s children on the contentious issue of homosexuality.”
“Arnold, like countless other English teachers, bases her text
selections on whether the ideas conform to and advance her socio-
political goals and her particular moral convictions,” said
Higgins. “And she’s doing this with public money.”
Wow… with all of the recent financial shortages in public
schools, I am quite sure that schools can find better and more
productive ways to spend the little moeny they do have. Sarah
Arnold likely isn’t the only public school teacher taking leeway
with her lesson plans to indoctrinate your children with their
personal ideologies. Have you discussed curriculum with your
child’s teachers? Do you know what your children are reading,
watching and being exposed to by these radical liberals?
http://thejournalistachronicle.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/homophob
ia-is-just-a-homosexual-propaganda-term-a-term-they-made-up/
panamfloyd@hotmail.com rade
Dec 30, 2011, 5:40:17 PM12/30/11
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On Dec 30, 2:55 pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass
snip
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass
I'll just leave this here...
https://my.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Florian Kutscherauer
Dec 30, 2011, 7:31:04 PM12/30/11
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Mike Norman wrote:
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
Actually it is not, and you ranting about it and repeating this crap like
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
a parrot tells us two things:
1) You are homophobic.
2) You are incapable of thinking on your own.
--
Ludwig Wittgenstein said:
> It's an astounding coincidence that all those humans, whose heads have
> been dissected, did have a brain.
--
Ceterum censeo Creationismum esse delendam.
JohnN
Dec 30, 2011, 8:23:15 PM12/30/11
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On Dec 30, 2:55 pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
> who value marriage and traditional family values
Strikes too close to home does it?
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
> who value marriage and traditional family values
JohnN
Billy
Dec 30, 2011, 8:39:55 PM12/30/11
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In article <6DJS2Z6U4090...@reece.net.au>,
Wall Street that helped rip-off tax-payers for $13 TRILLION?
Get your priorities straight.
--
- Billy
E pluribus unum
<http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/04/18/112346/obama-ran-against-bush-but-now.html>
$1.5 billion in US foreign aid at work.
<http://storyful.com/stories/1000016318>
none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutbacks "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse."
<http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/28/dennis-kucinich/rep-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/>
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw>
<http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM&feature=related>
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
> who value marriage and traditional family values, and as Matt
> Barber of Liberty Counsel describes:
Why do you worry bout who someone sleeps with, when there are crooks on
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
> who value marriage and traditional family values, and as Matt
> Barber of Liberty Counsel describes:
Wall Street that helped rip-off tax-payers for $13 TRILLION?
Get your priorities straight.
--
- Billy
E pluribus unum
<http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/04/18/112346/obama-ran-against-bush-but-now.html>
$1.5 billion in US foreign aid at work.
<http://storyful.com/stories/1000016318>
none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutbacks "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse."
<http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/28/dennis-kucinich/rep-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/>
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw>
<http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM&feature=related>
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Dec 30, 2011, 8:40:11 PM12/30/11
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On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
ho搶o搆ho搓i戢 [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] noun
(1) Unreasoning fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.
(2) Unreasoning antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
The above was stated in the dictionary in one short sentence that
included both meanings:
"Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
and homosexuality."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
(Since bigots are such PARANOID, GUTLESS, IGNORANT, and
IRRATIONAL little dweebs, they probably suffers from BOTH.
Take *note* of the adjective, "unreasoning," in the definition!)
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from top 5 websites below.)
Tens of thousands of posts to Usenet since 1994 -- *ALL* made
under my REAL, FULL, and easily-VERIFIABLE name. Because
as a fair-minded egalitarian, I have NOTHING to be ashamed-of!
[[ Readers: If you respond to my post, and you wish for me to
SEE your response, you'll need to make sure that you include
alt.politics.homosexuality in the cross-postings, and that the
total number of groups in the cross-postings is five or fewer.
That's because the vilest and most irrational of the Anti-Human
& Civil Rights bigots are those seeking to deny EQUAL rights to
gays. So in defending those rights, as one of their straight
egalitarian allies, I monitor and post almost exclusively from
that group. ]]
Other highly-informative Resources:
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481 -- Excellent article!
http://themindlesspraetorianblog.blogspot.com/ -- Excellent blog!
And ONE MORE: Read this, and then take future action accordingly:
Regarding: http://base8.lavenderliberal.com/index.html
It currently is down, but when active, it provides a very USEFUL
Searchable Database of the Proposition Hate (8) ENEMIES of Human
Rights! KNOW the enemies... and then HARASS and BOYCOTT the
enemies, as much as it is legally possible to do so! Watch my SIGs
for updates on this.
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
ho搶o搆ho搓i戢 [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] noun
(1) Unreasoning fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.
(2) Unreasoning antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
The above was stated in the dictionary in one short sentence that
included both meanings:
"Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
and homosexuality."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
(Since bigots are such PARANOID, GUTLESS, IGNORANT, and
IRRATIONAL little dweebs, they probably suffers from BOTH.
Take *note* of the adjective, "unreasoning," in the definition!)
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from top 5 websites below.)
Tens of thousands of posts to Usenet since 1994 -- *ALL* made
under my REAL, FULL, and easily-VERIFIABLE name. Because
as a fair-minded egalitarian, I have NOTHING to be ashamed-of!
[[ Readers: If you respond to my post, and you wish for me to
SEE your response, you'll need to make sure that you include
alt.politics.homosexuality in the cross-postings, and that the
total number of groups in the cross-postings is five or fewer.
That's because the vilest and most irrational of the Anti-Human
& Civil Rights bigots are those seeking to deny EQUAL rights to
gays. So in defending those rights, as one of their straight
egalitarian allies, I monitor and post almost exclusively from
that group. ]]
Other highly-informative Resources:
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481 -- Excellent article!
http://themindlesspraetorianblog.blogspot.com/ -- Excellent blog!
And ONE MORE: Read this, and then take future action accordingly:
Regarding: http://base8.lavenderliberal.com/index.html
It currently is down, but when active, it provides a very USEFUL
Searchable Database of the Proposition Hate (8) ENEMIES of Human
Rights! KNOW the enemies... and then HARASS and BOYCOTT the
enemies, as much as it is legally possible to do so! Watch my SIGs
for updates on this.
George Plimpton
Dec 30, 2011, 8:57:37 PM12/30/11
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On 12/30/2011 5:39 PM, Billy wrote:
> In article<6DJS2Z6U4090...@reece.net.au>,
> "Mike Norman"<miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
>> who value marriage and traditional family values, and as Matt
>> Barber of Liberty Counsel describes:
>
> Why do you worry bout who someone sleeps with, when there are crooks on
> Wall Street that helped rip-off tax-payers for $13 TRILLION?
Fabricated number, fabricated charge. There was no "rip-off", and your
> In article<6DJS2Z6U4090...@reece.net.au>,
> "Mike Norman"<miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
>> who value marriage and traditional family values, and as Matt
>> Barber of Liberty Counsel describes:
>
> Why do you worry bout who someone sleeps with, when there are crooks on
> Wall Street that helped rip-off tax-payers for $13 TRILLION?
number came from your ass.
George Plimpton
Dec 30, 2011, 9:08:12 PM12/30/11
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On 12/30/2011 5:40 PM, (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> "Mike Norman"<miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>> ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY
politically invented words, is bullshit.
> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> "Mike Norman"<miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>> ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY
Mike Norman
Dec 31, 2011, 12:15:32 AM12/31/11
to
In article <gspsf7lp1gsqau7q6...@4ax.com>
dubious accuracy.
In the literal sense "homophobia" has nothing to do with queers
or normal people. It means you fear humans.
Thank for you making the point that queers and liberals are just
plain stupid.
"(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)" <a...@r.com> wrote:
>
> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
> From Dictionary.com:
>
I don't care about your grade school dictionary sources of
>
> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
> From Dictionary.com:
>
dubious accuracy.
In the literal sense "homophobia" has nothing to do with queers
or normal people. It means you fear humans.
Thank for you making the point that queers and liberals are just
plain stupid.
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Dec 31, 2011, 1:32:17 AM12/31/11
to
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Dec 31, 2011, 1:35:50 AM12/31/11
to
On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
Mike Norman
Dec 31, 2011, 2:40:23 AM12/31/11
to
In article <b3btf71fofug44qi2...@4ax.com>
Latin - homo = man
Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
So homophobia means fear of man.
This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
The result is comical.
"(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) " <a...@r.com> wrote:
>
> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
> From Dictionary.com:
>
Grade school silliness flushed.
>
> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
> From Dictionary.com:
>
Latin - homo = man
Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
So homophobia means fear of man.
This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
The result is comical.
Ed Cryer
Dec 31, 2011, 7:26:26 AM12/31/11
to
Mike Norman wrote:
What a gay day!
What a marvellous day for running into a gay bar and shouting "Anyone
for heterophobia?"
Ed
What a gay day!
What a marvellous day for running into a gay bar and shouting "Anyone
for heterophobia?"
Ed
Christopher A. Lee
Dec 31, 2011, 7:40:27 AM12/31/11
to
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:26:26 +0000, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:
Aren't you confusing Larry Grayson with Ken Dodd?
wrote:
Ed Cryer
Dec 31, 2011, 9:42:13 AM12/31/11
to
I feel deeply that any word can be used, misused, abused, become a power
term to some, a scientific term to others.
I was trying to highlight that situation with my little scenario, but it
failed miserably. I should have known better.
Ed
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Dec 31, 2011, 11:44:58 AM12/31/11
to
On 31 Dec 2011 07:40:23 -0000, "
Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
<flush>
Previous post follows:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
<flush>
Previous post follows:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
Message has been deleted
Peeder Whiffer
Dec 31, 2011, 12:50:39 PM12/31/11
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In article <fmeuf75cjdiq8b7h2...@4ax.com>
"(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>"
the word "homophobia" or the definitions.
Cause promoting fags did.
"(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>"
<a...@r.com> wrote:
>
> On 31 Dec 2011 07:40:23 -0000, "
> Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
>
>
> ...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
> and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
> that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
> words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
>
> <flush>
>
Evidently he's smarter than you. A lexicographer didn't make up
>
> On 31 Dec 2011 07:40:23 -0000, "
> Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
>
>
> ...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
> and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
> that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
> words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
>
> <flush>
>
the word "homophobia" or the definitions.
Cause promoting fags did.
Ed Cryer
Dec 31, 2011, 1:49:51 PM12/31/11
to
B. T. Raven wrote:
> Die Sat Dec 31 2011 08:42:13 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) Ed Cryer
> <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> scripsit:
> Caput rei est utrum totum filum istud inspiraretur a ioco illo de
> cinaedis Graecis modo prolato:
>
> Duo hominēs, ūnus Rōmānus, alter Graecus, disputābant quis cultum
> meliōrem habēret. Nōs mathematicam altiōrem, ait Graecus, invēnimus.
> Nōs autem, ait Rōmānus, artēs cīvīlēs. Dēmocratia, inquit Graecus, ā
> nōbīs inventa est. Viās dirēctās nōs, sīc Rōmānus, repperimus.
> At nōs, ait Graecus, coitum invēnimus. Nōs autem, inquit Rōmānus, eum
> cum fēminīs habēre coepimus.
>
> But then gayhood in the sense first applicable to Oscar Wilde and Karl
> Friedrich Ulrichs didn't exist when the line "Victorem a victo superari
> saepe videmus" or even "Hibernia capta ferum victorem cepit." Attamen,
> homophobia iam pridem exstabat (fortasse semper exstabit).
>
> Eduardus
>
Certe non semper exstabit.
Quare id affirmare possum?
Look what happened to Oscar Wild. Look what happened to Alan Turing.
Could those things happen today in the west?
Look at the history of enfranchisement and liberation throughout the
20th century; women, blacks, gays + + +. And just think of what a
political revolution it would take to roll us back from that road map to
the future.
That's what western liberators have in mind when they try to impose
"democracy" onto eastern states. They envisage not just the form of
government; they envisage the same path to empowering persecuted minorities.
Ed
> Die Sat Dec 31 2011 08:42:13 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) Ed Cryer
> <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> scripsit:
> cinaedis Graecis modo prolato:
>
> Duo hominēs, ūnus Rōmānus, alter Graecus, disputābant quis cultum
> meliōrem habēret. Nōs mathematicam altiōrem, ait Graecus, invēnimus.
> Nōs autem, ait Rōmānus, artēs cīvīlēs. Dēmocratia, inquit Graecus, ā
> nōbīs inventa est. Viās dirēctās nōs, sīc Rōmānus, repperimus.
> At nōs, ait Graecus, coitum invēnimus. Nōs autem, inquit Rōmānus, eum
> cum fēminīs habēre coepimus.
>
> But then gayhood in the sense first applicable to Oscar Wilde and Karl
> Friedrich Ulrichs didn't exist when the line "Victorem a victo superari
> saepe videmus" or even "Hibernia capta ferum victorem cepit." Attamen,
> homophobia iam pridem exstabat (fortasse semper exstabit).
>
> Eduardus
>
Certe non semper exstabit.
Quare id affirmare possum?
Look what happened to Oscar Wild. Look what happened to Alan Turing.
Could those things happen today in the west?
Look at the history of enfranchisement and liberation throughout the
20th century; women, blacks, gays + + +. And just think of what a
political revolution it would take to roll us back from that road map to
the future.
That's what western liberators have in mind when they try to impose
"democracy" onto eastern states. They envisage not just the form of
government; they envisage the same path to empowering persecuted minorities.
Ed
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Dec 31, 2011, 2:43:00 PM12/31/11
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On 31 Dec 2011 07:40:23 -0000, "
Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
<flush>
Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
<flush>
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John W Kennedy
Dec 31, 2011, 8:19:56 PM12/31/11
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On 2011-12-31 05:15:32 +0000, Mike Norman said:
> In article <gspsf7lp1gsqau7q6...@4ax.com>
> "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)" <a...@r.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
>> "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ...homophobia...
>>
>> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>>
>> From Dictionary.com:
>>
>
> I don't care about your grade school dictionary sources of
> dubious accuracy.
>
> In the literal sense "homophobia" has nothing to do with queers
> or normal people. It means you fear humans.
No it doesn't, moron. Try learning the difference between Latin and Greek.
> In article <gspsf7lp1gsqau7q6...@4ax.com>
> "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)" <a...@r.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
>> "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ...homophobia...
>>
>> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>>
>> From Dictionary.com:
>>
>
> I don't care about your grade school dictionary sources of
> dubious accuracy.
>
> In the literal sense "homophobia" has nothing to do with queers
> or normal people. It means you fear humans.
--
John W Kennedy
"You can, if you wish, class all science-fiction together; but it is
about as perceptive as classing the works of Ballantyne, Conrad and W.
W. Jacobs together as the 'sea-story' and then criticizing _that_."
-- C. S. Lewis. "An Experiment in Criticism"
John W Kennedy
Dec 31, 2011, 8:25:08 PM12/31/11
to
"homosexual" has any connection with the Latin word "homo" at all, as
you would learn by looking them up in any dictionary written for
grown-ups.
John Briggs
Dec 31, 2011, 8:59:13 PM12/31/11
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On 31/12/2011 17:21, B. T. Raven wrote:
> Die Sat Dec 31 2011 08:42:13 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) Ed Cryer
> <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> scripsit:
>
> Die Sat Dec 31 2011 08:42:13 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) Ed Cryer
> <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> scripsit:
>
> Caput rei est utrum totum filum istud inspiraretur a ioco illo de
> cinaedis Graecis modo prolato:
>
> Duo hominēs, ūnus Rōmānus, alter Graecus, disputābant quis cultum
> meliōrem habēret. Nōs mathematicam altiōrem, ait Graecus, invēnimus.
> Nōs autem, ait Rōmānus, artēs cīvīlēs. Dēmocratia, inquit Graecus, ā
> nōbīs inventa est. Viās dirēctās nōs, sīc Rōmānus, repperimus.
> At nōs, ait Graecus, coitum invēnimus. Nōs autem, inquit Rōmānus, eum
> cum fēminīs habēre coepimus.
>
> But then gayhood in the sense first applicable to Oscar Wilde and Karl
> Friedrich Ulrichs didn't exist when the line "Victorem a victo superari
> saepe videmus" or even "Hibernia capta ferum victorem cepit." Attamen,
> homophobia iam pridem exstabat (fortasse semper exstabit).
On the other hand, what about Eleanor Rykener?
> cinaedis Graecis modo prolato:
>
> Duo hominēs, ūnus Rōmānus, alter Graecus, disputābant quis cultum
> meliōrem habēret. Nōs mathematicam altiōrem, ait Graecus, invēnimus.
> Nōs autem, ait Rōmānus, artēs cīvīlēs. Dēmocratia, inquit Graecus, ā
> nōbīs inventa est. Viās dirēctās nōs, sīc Rōmānus, repperimus.
> At nōs, ait Graecus, coitum invēnimus. Nōs autem, inquit Rōmānus, eum
> cum fēminīs habēre coepimus.
>
> But then gayhood in the sense first applicable to Oscar Wilde and Karl
> Friedrich Ulrichs didn't exist when the line "Victorem a victo superari
> saepe videmus" or even "Hibernia capta ferum victorem cepit." Attamen,
> homophobia iam pridem exstabat (fortasse semper exstabit).
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1395rykener.asp
Undecimo die Decembris anno regni regis Ricardi secundi decimo octavo,
ducti fuerunt hic coram Johanne Fressh maiore et aldermannis civitatis
Londoniensis Johannes Britby de comitate Eboracum et Johannes Rykener,
se Elianoram nominans veste muliebri detectus. Qui die dominica ultimo
preterita per quosdam dicte civitatis ministros noctanter inter horas
octavam et nonam super quoddam stallum in venella vocata Sopereslane
inventi fuerunt iacentes, illud vitium detestabile, nephandum, et
ignominiosum committentes, pro seperali examinatione coram dictis maiore
et aldermannis super premissa fienda et audienda etcetera. Qui quidem
Johannes Britby inde allocutus fatebatur quod ipse per vicum regium de
Chepe die dominica inter horas supradictas transiens, dictum Johannem
Rykener vestitu muliebri ornatum, ipsumque mulierem fore suspicantem
fuerat assecutus, petens ab eo, tanquam a muliere, si cum ea libidinose
agere possit. Qui ab eo argentum pro labore suo petens sibi
consentiebat, invicem transeuntes ad illud complendum usque stallum
predictum. Ipsi tamen tunc ibidem per ministros predictos in eorum
maleficiis detestabilibus capti fuerunt, carcere vero mancipati
hucusque, etcetera. Et predictus Johannes Rykener in veste muliebri hic
adductus de materia predicta allocutus cognovit se fecisse in omnibus
prout idem Johannes Britby superius fatebatur etcetera. Quesitum fuit
ulterius a prefato Johanne Rykener quis ei docuit dictum vitium exercere
et quanto tempore, in quibus locis, et cum quibus personis masculis sive
feminis illud actum libidinosum et nephandum commisit. Qui in animam
suam sponte iuravit et cognovit quod quaedam Anna, meretrix quondam
cuiusdam famuli domini Thome Blount, primo docuit ipsum vitium
detestabile modo muliebri exercere. Item dixit quod quaedam Elizabeth
Brouderer prius vestivit ipsum veste muliebri; quae etiam conduxit
quandam Aliciam filiam suam diversis hominibus luxuriae causa, ipsam cum
eisdem hominibus in lectis eorum noctanter absque lumine reponens et
eandem summo mane ab eisdem recedere fecit, monstrando eis dictum
Johannem Rykener veste muliebri ornatum ipsum Alianoram nominantem,
asserens ipsos cum ipsa sinistre egisse. Item dixit quod quidam
Philippus, Rector de Theydon Gernon, concubuit cum eodem Johanne Rykener
ut cum muliere in domo cuiusdam Elizabeth Brouderer extra
Bisshoppesgate, quo tempore dictus Johannes Rykener asportavit duas
togas ipsius Philippi. Et quando idem Philippus illas petiit a prefato
Johanne Rykener, ipse dixit quod fuit uxor cuiusdam hominis, et si ipse
illas repetere vellet faceret maritum suum versus ipsum prosequi. Item
dictus Johannes Rykener fatebatur quod per quinque septimanas ante
festum santi Michaelis ultimo elapsum morabatur apud Oxonium et operatus
est ibidem in veste muliebri in arte de brouderer nominans ipsum
Alianoram. Et ibidem in marisco tres scolares ignotos, quorum unus
nominatur dominus Willielmus Foxlee, alius dominus Johannes, et tertius
dominus Walterus, usi fuerunt sepius cum ipso abominabile vitium
supradictum. Item fatebatur prefatus Johannes Rykener quod ipse die
veneris proximo ante festum sancti Michaelis supradictum venit apud
Burford in comitate Oxonium. Et ibidem fuit commorans cum quodam Johanne
clerc atte Swan in officio de tapster per sex septimanas proximas
sequentes, infra quod tempus duo fratres minores, quorum unus nominatur
frater Michael et alius frater Johannes Barry, qui sibi dedit unum
anulum aureum, et unus frater carmelitus et sex diversi homines extranei
commiserunt cum illo vitium antedictum. Quorum quidem fratrum et hominum
supradictorum quidam dabat dicto Johanni Rykener .xii. d, quidam .xx. d,
quidam .ii. s. Item fatebatur idem Johannes Rykener quod fuit apud
Bekenesfeld et ibidem idem ut vir concubuit cum quadam Johanna filia
Johannis Mathew, et etiam ibidem cum ipso concubuerunt ut cum femina duo
fratres minores alienigenae. Item fatebatur dictus Johannes Rykener quod
post eius ultimum adventum Londoniae quidam dominus Johannes quondam
capellanus ecclesiae sanctae Margaretae Patyns et alii duo capellani in
venellis retro ecclesiam sanctae Katerinae iuxta turrim Londoniensem
commiserunt cum illo illud vitium antedictum. Item dixit dictus Johannes
Rykener quod ipse sepius concubuit cum quampluribus monialibus ut vir,
et etiam concubuit modo virili cum quampluribus mulieribus, tam
maritatis quam aliis, quarum numerum ignorat. Item fatebatur dictus
Johannes Rykener quod quamplures presbiteri fecerunt illud vitium cum
illo ut cum muliere, quorum numerum ignorat, et dixit quod citius cepit
presbiteros quam alios quia plus vellent sibi dare quam alii.
--
John Briggs
osugeography
Dec 31, 2011, 9:10:20 PM12/31/11
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On Dec 31, 1:40 am, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> In article <b3btf71fofug44qi24sa4mc9ik8a3et...@4ax.com>
Think that the origin of the word "homonym" had a political agenda?
Don't give up your job before you try to find work as a prescriptive
grammarian.
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
> In article <b3btf71fofug44qi24sa4mc9ik8a3et...@4ax.com>
> > "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...homophobia...
>
> > ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
> > From Dictionary.com:
>
> Grade school silliness flushed.
>
> Latin - homo = man
>
> Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
>
> So homophobia means fear of man.
>
> This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
> without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
>
> The result is comical.
So how would you explain "homonym", Norman?
>
> > > ...homophobia...
>
> > ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
> > From Dictionary.com:
>
> Grade school silliness flushed.
>
> Latin - homo = man
>
> Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
>
> So homophobia means fear of man.
>
> This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
> without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
>
> The result is comical.
Think that the origin of the word "homonym" had a political agenda?
Don't give up your job before you try to find work as a prescriptive
grammarian.
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
sarge
Dec 31, 2011, 10:55:21 PM12/31/11
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On 30 Dec 2011, 20:55, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
you mean like 'sinner' or 'blaphemer' or the one that killed even more
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
people than those two
'heathen'. Terms of propaganda that allow Christians to torture,
enslave, cast out, demonize, kill, remove from their parents and
brainwash, well,
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
So even if you were correct in this thread, why the hell should anyone
care if you feel victimized by a term?
Colanth
Dec 31, 2011, 11:48:22 PM12/31/11
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:10:20 -0800 (PST), osugeography
<osugeo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Dec 31, 1:40 am, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>> In article <b3btf71fofug44qi24sa4mc9ik8a3et...@4ax.com>
>> "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) " <a...@r.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
>> > "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > ...homophobia...
>>
>> > ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>>
>> > From Dictionary.com:
>>
>> Grade school silliness flushed.
>>
>> Latin - homo = man
>>
>> Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
>>
>> So homophobia means fear of man.
>>
>> This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
>> without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
>>
>> The result is comical.
>
>So how would you explain "homonym", Norman?
>
>Think that the origin of the word "homonym" had a political agenda?
It has a Usenet agenda - it means "the name a man uses on Usenet".
<osugeo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Dec 31, 1:40 am, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>> In article <b3btf71fofug44qi24sa4mc9ik8a3et...@4ax.com>
>> "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) " <a...@r.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
>> > "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > ...homophobia...
>>
>> > ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>>
>> > From Dictionary.com:
>>
>> Grade school silliness flushed.
>>
>> Latin - homo = man
>>
>> Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
>>
>> So homophobia means fear of man.
>>
>> This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
>> without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
>>
>> The result is comical.
>
>So how would you explain "homonym", Norman?
>
>Think that the origin of the word "homonym" had a political agenda?
Or Norman is a moron.
--
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is
answers that may never be questioned." - Unknown
osugeography
Jan 1, 2012, 12:40:07 AM1/1/12
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second probably truer. But both amusing.
Marvin
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
Mike Norman
Jan 1, 2012, 1:38:02 AM1/1/12
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In article <4dc77d9b-08a9-41f1-9d62-
78573d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
> Think that the origin of the word "homonym" had a political agenda?
Let's not be Craig Chilton stupid now. If what is going on here
has to be explained to you, you're in serious trouble.
> Don't give up your job before you try to find work as a prescriptive
> grammarian.
Good advice. Maybe you can help your football program find a
solution to their integrity issues and get them off probation
sooner. Sooner, get it?
You buckeye chump.
> Marvin Sebourn
> osugeo...@aol.com
78573d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
osugeography <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 1:40 am, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> > In article <b3btf71fofug44qi24sa4mc9ik8a3et...@4ax.com>
> > "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) " <a...@r.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> > > "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > ...homophobia...
> >
> > > ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
> >
> > > From Dictionary.com:
> >
> > Grade school silliness flushed.
> >
> > Latin - homo = man
> >
> > Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
> >
> > So homophobia means fear of man.
> >
> > This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
> > without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
> >
> > The result is comical.
>
> So how would you explain "homonym", Norman?
Fun with words in a simplistic sense, you?
>
> On Dec 31, 1:40 am, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> > In article <b3btf71fofug44qi24sa4mc9ik8a3et...@4ax.com>
> > "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) " <a...@r.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
> > > "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > ...homophobia...
> >
> > > ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
> >
> > > From Dictionary.com:
> >
> > Grade school silliness flushed.
> >
> > Latin - homo = man
> >
> > Greek - phobos - phobia = fear or morbid fear.
> >
> > So homophobia means fear of man.
> >
> > This is what happens when ignorant people try to make up words
> > without understanding the meanings of the parts they join.
> >
> > The result is comical.
>
> So how would you explain "homonym", Norman?
> Think that the origin of the word "homonym" had a political agenda?
has to be explained to you, you're in serious trouble.
> Don't give up your job before you try to find work as a prescriptive
> grammarian.
solution to their integrity issues and get them off probation
sooner. Sooner, get it?
You buckeye chump.
> Marvin Sebourn
> osugeo...@aol.com
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Jan 1, 2012, 5:27:18 AM1/1/12
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On 1 Jan 2012 06:38:02 -0000,
*ANONYMOUS* CRAVEN COWARD, Who Lacked the
Courage of His Convictions to Post under His REAL,
FULL, and Easily-Verifiable Name as Many People in
Here Do Because They Do NOT support LOATHSOME
Agendas, SUBMORONIC BIGOT, "Bill Taylor,"
(aka "Mike Norman") <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> Let's not be [as stupid as *I* am] now.
Not to worry. You have a Lifetime Achievement Award in
Sheer IDIOCY, "Taylor." And LUNACY.
*ANONYMOUS* CRAVEN COWARD, Who Lacked the
Courage of His Convictions to Post under His REAL,
FULL, and Easily-Verifiable Name as Many People in
Here Do Because They Do NOT support LOATHSOME
Agendas, SUBMORONIC BIGOT, "Bill Taylor,"
(aka "Mike Norman") <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> Let's not be [as stupid as *I* am] now.
Not to worry. You have a Lifetime Achievement Award in
Sheer IDIOCY, "Taylor." And LUNACY.
John W Kennedy
Jan 1, 2012, 10:11:06 AM1/1/12
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now that I've made a fool of myself. But as I am not as other men are
(for the which I think God), it is not right that I should confess it
before these heathens, and so I will temporize, and spit and scratch at
them, in the hope that they will go away and leave me to my own
self-admiration. Jeebus, after all, is on my side."
Ed Cryer
Jan 1, 2012, 11:09:51 AM1/1/12
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B. T. Raven wrote:
> Caput rei est utrum totum filum istud inspiraretur a ioco illo de
> cinaedis Graecis modo prolato:
Non puto. Sic solet fieri ut diabolus nominatus ecce appareat; eventus
> Caput rei est utrum totum filum istud inspiraretur a ioco illo de
> cinaedis Graecis modo prolato:
tempore iuncti sed non vinclis causae effectusque.
Aliquis aliae gregis credit homophobiam esse verbum Latinum.
Edus
Mike Norman
Jan 1, 2012, 12:06:26 PM1/1/12
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In article <8sc0g7hfiqn0uhbdk...@4ax.com>
news:BZ5MXL4H4090...@reece.net.au:
"(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) " <a...@r.com> wrote:
On 31 Dec 2011, "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> posted some
news:BZ5MXL4H4090...@reece.net.au:
> Not to worry. You have a Lifetime Achievement Award in
> Sheer IDIOCY, "Taylor." And LUNACY.
Who are you replying to you blathering moron?
> Sheer IDIOCY, "Taylor." And LUNACY.
John Baker
Jan 1, 2012, 2:04:36 PM1/1/12
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On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000, "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>
>who value marriage and traditional family values,
Sorry, Sport, but it's a real word. It doesn't mean what you think it
means, though. 'Homophobia' doesn't mean you're afraid of gays. It
means you're afraid *you* might *be* gay.
And the fact that you apparently felt compelled to post a load of
paranoid right-wing horseshit in a newsgroup (alt.atheism) where
nobody gives a fat rat's ass what any rightard thinks about anything
lends weight to that diagnosis.
(but then, the list of totally unrelated groups you've crossposted
this crap to shows you're just another idiotic troll bidding for
attention, so fuck you and the broken-down nag you rode in on)
wrote:
>As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
>As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>who value marriage and traditional family values,
Sorry, Sport, but it's a real word. It doesn't mean what you think it
means, though. 'Homophobia' doesn't mean you're afraid of gays. It
means you're afraid *you* might *be* gay.
And the fact that you apparently felt compelled to post a load of
paranoid right-wing horseshit in a newsgroup (alt.atheism) where
nobody gives a fat rat's ass what any rightard thinks about anything
lends weight to that diagnosis.
(but then, the list of totally unrelated groups you've crossposted
this crap to shows you're just another idiotic troll bidding for
attention, so fuck you and the broken-down nag you rode in on)
ilbe...@gmail.com
Jan 1, 2012, 2:13:45 PM1/1/12
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On Dec 30 2011, 1:55 pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
> who value marriage and traditional family values, and as Matt
> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
> used by the homosexual activist community to harass those of use
> Barber of Liberty Counsel describes:
>
> is designed to label negatively anyone who holds traditional
> values about human sexuality and marriage. He believes parents
> should be in an uproar. ”We have here public education once
> again trying to co-opt the proper role of parents, trying to
> impose their ideology on children whether or not that happens to
> be the ideology that parents share,” he points out.
>
> Sarah Arnold, a Wisconson public high school teacher is
> apparently so concerned with this made up term, that she created
> a program for her students entitled, “Exposing Hidden
> Homophobia. ” She heard an “anti-gay undertone” in her students
> conversations and took it upon herself to educate her English
> students on the issue. Arnold claims that although the student
> body is mostly white, there are “unacknowledged” demographics at
> her school. So she decided to address these hidden
> demographics, i.e. the GLBT students (gay, lesbian, bisexual and
> transgendered) and pass it off as an English lesson.
>
> The program Arnold developed included “in-depth exploration of
> depictions” of homosexuality in mass media; several homosexual-
> themed films, documentaries, books and novels; internet research
> on “the nature of homophobia”; and a “homophobia questionnaire”
> coupled with a “heterosexual questionnaire” designed to take
> questions “commonly asked of homosexuals and ask them of
> heterosexuals” – e.g., “When did you decide to become
> heterosexual?’”
>
> Who asks a child that? And yes, for those of you who might not
> realize it, high school students are still children. The source
> material that this teacher has exposed these children to is and
> outrage. When students were reluctant and parents “balked,” (as
> well they should), especially Christian parents, Arnold defended
> her homophobia program by arguing,
>
> that the project supported “higher-order thinking skills”
> because students were asked to perform such tasks as assembling
> and presenting portfolios of their research into homosexual
> culture and media.
>
> I don’t know if this lady just got out of college or what, but I
> think that that her homosexual promo program is not the only
> way, or even an acceptable or necessary way, to teach “higher-
> order thinking skills” to students. Arnold has since attracted
> outside interest in her “homophobia” program, and she has thus
> made her resources and lesson plans available for other public
> school teachers to use so they can indoctrinate their own
> students with hyped homophobia propaganda. She also includes
> with her lesson plans, shortened versions of her “Hidden
> Homophobia Unit,” which you can read here.
>
> http://www.tolerance.org/teach/activities/activity.jsp?ar=1017
>
> Laurie Higgins of the Illinois Family Institute (IFI) said she
> was “speechless” when she learned of the curriculum.
>
> Matt Barber says the program is really intended to indoctrinate
> children into thinking that homosexual behavior is okay. “The
> term ‘homophobia’ is a made-up term, made up by homosexual
> activists, that has no scientific value, no clinical value
> whatsoever,” he contends. “It’s merely a propaganda term.”
>
> “Wisconsin public schools are permitting radical ideologues to
> use public money to promote their subversive, unproven moral
> conclusions and political goals about homosexuality,” said
> Higgins in an IFI article. “These propagandists, who should be
> teaching history or literature or writing, are instead pursuing
> their illegitimate goals of transforming the views of other
> people’s children on the contentious issue of homosexuality.”
>
> “Arnold, like countless other English teachers, bases her text
> selections on whether the ideas conform to and advance her socio-
> political goals and her particular moral convictions,” said
> Higgins. “And she’s doing this with public money.”
>
> Wow… with all of the recent financial shortages in public
> schools, I am quite sure that schools can find better and more
> productive ways to spend the little moeny they do have. Sarah
> Arnold likely isn’t the only public school teacher taking leeway
> with her lesson plans to indoctrinate your children with their
> personal ideologies. Have you discussed curriculum with your
> child’s teachers? Do you know what your children are reading,
> watching and being exposed to by these radical liberals?
>
> http://thejournalistachronicle.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/homophob
> ia-is-just-a-homosexual-propaganda-term-a-term-they-made-up/
You are absolutely correct John...it is a propaganda term . We are
being asked to be tolerant of a particular immoral deviant lifestyle
which has killed many thousands of lives via STD's ..and...we would
not be asked to be tolerant if it were correct, permissable, and
moral , for, no one asks another to be tolerant of things which are
correct and decent --- only things which a Group KNOWS is absolutely
wrong. We as a Nation better start taking a stand against such
perversion and abomination and demand that such Groups keep their
sexual perversion out of the public arena ...for the sake of our
children if for no other reason.
Tim Crowley
Jan 1, 2012, 2:45:29 PM1/1/12
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snicker.
osugeography
Jan 1, 2012, 3:45:06 PM1/1/12
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On Jan 1, 12:38 am, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> In article <4dc77d9b-08a9-41f1-9d62-
> 78573ddd2...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
> > osugeogra...@aol.com
I have not read a great deal of Craig Chilton's posts, but the few I
have read place him several magnitudes above you in intelligence.
You have no reason to speak of reasoning. You wrote:
"Maybe you can help your football program find a solution to their
integrity issues and get them off probation sooner. Sooner, get it?
You buckeye chump".
I don't remember anyone else on the NG's being so ignorant as you,
that they mix up so many things.
OSU in the case of my screen name is for Oklahoma State University.
The Oklahoma State University (OSU) football program is commonly
called the Cowboys.
OU, or the University of Oklahoma, the Sooners.
The Buckeyes are Ohio State, not OSU or OU.
And what football program is on probation? Oklahoma State University?
You also write: "If what is going on here, has to be explained to
you, you're in serious trouble'.
That seems to be very appropriate, in relation to you. Maybe we can
write off the confusion and disorder of your post to an over-active
New Year's celebration. Be careful, Norman. Remember those are adult
beverages...
Msrvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
OSUgeography, Norman. That's not Ohio State, not the University of
Oklahoma, not the Buckeyes, not the Sooners. Sorry I had to explain
what is going on to you, but you were obviously "in serious trouble".
> In article <4dc77d9b-08a9-41f1-9d62-
> 78573ddd2...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
I have not read a great deal of Craig Chilton's posts, but the few I
have read place him several magnitudes above you in intelligence.
You have no reason to speak of reasoning. You wrote:
"Maybe you can help your football program find a solution to their
integrity issues and get them off probation sooner. Sooner, get it?
You buckeye chump".
that they mix up so many things.
OSU in the case of my screen name is for Oklahoma State University.
The Oklahoma State University (OSU) football program is commonly
called the Cowboys.
OU, or the University of Oklahoma, the Sooners.
The Buckeyes are Ohio State, not OSU or OU.
And what football program is on probation? Oklahoma State University?
You also write: "If what is going on here, has to be explained to
you, you're in serious trouble'.
That seems to be very appropriate, in relation to you. Maybe we can
write off the confusion and disorder of your post to an over-active
New Year's celebration. Be careful, Norman. Remember those are adult
beverages...
Msrvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
OSUgeography, Norman. That's not Ohio State, not the University of
Oklahoma, not the Buckeyes, not the Sooners. Sorry I had to explain
what is going on to you, but you were obviously "in serious trouble".
Uergil
Jan 1, 2012, 4:13:21 PM1/1/12
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In article
<66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less "manly" than
their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even physical abuse of
homophobic bullies.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
<66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
"IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 30 2011, 1:55�pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> > As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
> On Dec 30 2011, 1:55�pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> > As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less "manly" than
their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even physical abuse of
homophobic bullies.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
Colanth
Jan 1, 2012, 4:20:54 PM1/1/12
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On 1 Jan 2012 06:38:02 -0000, "Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>
wrote:
>Let's not be Craig Chilton stupid now. If what is going on here
>has to be explained to you, you're in serious trouble.
Oh, we understand what's going on here. The question is why you would
DELIBERATELY make a total ass of yourself in public. The "making a
total ass of yourself in public" we get.
--
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
wrote:
>Let's not be Craig Chilton stupid now. If what is going on here
>has to be explained to you, you're in serious trouble.
DELIBERATELY make a total ass of yourself in public. The "making a
total ass of yourself in public" we get.
--
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful."- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
Ed Cryer
Jan 1, 2012, 4:58:47 PM1/1/12
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Uergil wrote:
> In article
> <66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 30 2011, 1:55�pm, "Mike Norman"<mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>
>
> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
>
> Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less "manly" than
> their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even physical abuse of
> homophobic bullies.
That's a subspecies of "differentophobia"; people who differ from the
> In article
> <66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> "IlBe...@gmail.com"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 30 2011, 1:55�pm, "Mike Norman"<mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>
>
> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
>
> Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less "manly" than
> their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even physical abuse of
> homophobic bullies.
norm. It's a power thing; in the same way as when people say of someone
"ah, look at him, all stuck up and hoity-toity". It's the perceived
power that they wield that scares people and brings the victimisation on
them. To call them faggots (or (as I'm sure you are aware) lots of other
derogatory terms) is a control mechanism.
Ed
(�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Jan 1, 2012, 5:20:55 PM1/1/12
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:13:45 -0800 (PST),
"IlBeBauck" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We as a Nation better start taking a stand against such
> perversion and abomination...
"IlBeBauck" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We as a Nation better start taking a stand against such
...as the hateful, IGNORANT and irrational *bigots* like YOU
spew.
We HAVE.
You and your ilk have LOST, and now are the nation's laughing-
stocks.
Just TODAY, Hawaii's new law legalizing domestic partnerships
with all of the privileges of being married, for same-sex couples,
became effective. Full MARRIAGE for them will be NEXT.
I **love** watching the hate-agendas of bigoted lowlifes like you
swirling don the Drain of Extinction -- NEVER to be heard from again.
That's great FUN!!
And it is especially entertaining to watch you making total fools
of yourself WHINING about it! ROTFL!!!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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� � � Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY, or is about to be, in all
these places, and the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
� �( * �RRR & LDS Cultists: �Look up "inexorable." �Take it to heart.)
� � � � � � � � � � � � � Full MARRIAGE EQUALITY Attained!
� � � � � � � �The Netherlands was FIRST! (2001)
� � � � � � � �Belgium (2003)
� � � � � � � �Canada (2005)
� � � � � � � �Spain (2005)
� � � � � � � �South Africa (2006)
� � � � � � � �Norway (2008)
� � � � � � � �Sweden (2009)
� � � � � � � �Iceland (2010)
� � � � � � � �Mexico City, Mexico (3-4-2010)
� � � � � � � �Argentina (Catholic nation) (2010)
� � � � � � � �Portugal (2010)
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� � � � � � � �USA: Connecticut (2008)
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� � � � � � � � very BRIGHT, per THIS clear trend:
�http://www.Egalitarian.biz/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
� � � � � � � � � �Populations that Support Marriage Equality
� � � � � � � �Australia: � � 64% as of 2010.
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bystander
Jan 1, 2012, 5:58:52 PM1/1/12
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In article <Uergil-
C80EBF.141...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
male? Because that's what male queers are.
> Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less "manly" than
> their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even physical abuse of
> homophobic bullies.
There's no such thing as homophobic. It's just another
imaginary affliction of the mentally ill gay mind.
C80EBF.141...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>
> In article
> <66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> "IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 30 2011, 1:55 pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>
>
> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
Would you prefer to be identified as a dick sucking coprophagiac
>
> In article
> <66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> "IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 30 2011, 1:55 pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>
>
> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
male? Because that's what male queers are.
> Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less "manly" than
> their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even physical abuse of
> homophobic bullies.
imaginary affliction of the mentally ill gay mind.
Barry OGrady
Jan 1, 2012, 7:15:57 PM1/1/12
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:43:00 -0600, "(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <a...@r.com> wrote:
>On 31 Dec 2011 07:40:23 -0000, "
>Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
>
>
> ...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
>and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
>that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
>words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
>
><flush>
>
>Previous post follows:
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
>On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
>"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>> ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
>From Dictionary.com:
>
> ho·mo·pho·bi·a [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] noun
<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>" <a...@r.com> wrote:
>On 31 Dec 2011 07:40:23 -0000, "
>Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com>...
>
>
> ...DELUSIONALLY thinking that he's more intelligent than skilled
>and experienced lexicographers... and living in DENIAL of the fact
>that the English language gradually *evolves*... and that MANY
>words have MULTIPLE meanings -- is duly noted for the public record.
>
><flush>
>
>Previous post follows:
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
>On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
>"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>> ...homophobia...
>
> ...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
>
>From Dictionary.com:
>
>
> (1) Unreasoning fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.
>
> (2) Unreasoning antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
>
> The above was stated in the dictionary in one short sentence that
>included both meanings:
>
> "Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
> and homosexuality."
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
>
> (Since bigots are such PARANOID, GUTLESS, IGNORANT, and
> IRRATIONAL little dweebs, they probably suffers from BOTH.
> Take *note* of the adjective, "unreasoning," in the definition!)
What is the word for
> (1) Unreasoning fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.
>
> (2) Unreasoning antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
>
> The above was stated in the dictionary in one short sentence that
>included both meanings:
>
> "Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
> and homosexuality."
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
>
> (Since bigots are such PARANOID, GUTLESS, IGNORANT, and
> IRRATIONAL little dweebs, they probably suffers from BOTH.
> Take *note* of the adjective, "unreasoning," in the definition!)
"Reasonable fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
and homosexuality?"
==========
Colanth
Jan 2, 2012, 12:22:45 AM1/2/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:15:57 +1100, Barry OGrady
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>What is the word for
> "Reasonable fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
> and homosexuality?"
Assininity.
<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>What is the word for
> "Reasonable fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
> and homosexuality?"
--
"Any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood." - Newt
Gingrich
Colanth
Jan 2, 2012, 12:21:45 AM1/2/12
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On 1 Jan 2012 22:58:52 -0000, "bystander" <byst...@here.com> wrote:
>In article <Uergil-
>C80EBF.141...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
>Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>
>> In article
>> <66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>> "IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 30 2011, 1:55 pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>> > > As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>>
>>
>> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
>
>Would you prefer to be identified as a dick sucking coprophagiac
>male? Because that's what male queers are.
Would you prefer to be called a brainsucked coprocerebrick? Because
>In article <Uergil-
>C80EBF.141...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
>Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>
>> In article
>> <66ed631b-e4e2-4aef...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>> "IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 30 2011, 1:55 pm, "Mike Norman" <mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>> > > As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propaganda term
>>
>>
>> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
>
>Would you prefer to be identified as a dick sucking coprophagiac
>male? Because that's what male queers are.
that's what you are.
--
"I don't believe in an afterlife, so I don't have to spend my whole
life fearing hell, or fearing heaven even more. For whatever the
tortures of hell, I think the boredom of heaven would be even worse."
- Isaac Asimov
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Jan 2, 2012, 4:05:35 AM1/2/12
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On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:58:47 +0000,
Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Uergil wrote:
>>>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propa-
> ceived power that they wield that scares people and brings the vic-
...that is employed by ZERO-self-esteem dweebs who almost always
have MASSIVE inferiority complexes that they're desperately trying
to assuage.
The HILARIOUS thing about that is that their desperation is as
TRANSPARENT as hell -- and that everyone sees in a NANOSECOND
that that's all those schmucks are -- immature and cowardly little
DWEEBS who will never amount to a hill of beans. Standing JOKES.
Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Uergil wrote:
>>>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propa-
>>>> ganda term
>> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
>>
>> Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less
>> "manly" than their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even
>> physical abuse of homophobic bullies.
> That's a subspecies of "differentophobia"; people who differ from
> the norm. It's a power thing; in the same way as when people say of
> someone >"ah, look at him, all stuck up and hoity-toity". It's the per-
>> No more so that "homosexual" os a propaganda term.
>>
>> Each year thousands of young men who are perceived as less
>> "manly" than their neighbors suffer from the taunts and even
>> physical abuse of homophobic bullies.
> That's a subspecies of "differentophobia"; people who differ from
> the norm. It's a power thing; in the same way as when people say of
> ceived power that they wield that scares people and brings the vic-
> timisation on them. To call them faggots (or (as I'm sure you are
> aware) lots of other derogatory terms) is a control mechanism...
...that is employed by ZERO-self-esteem dweebs who almost always
have MASSIVE inferiority complexes that they're desperately trying
to assuage.
The HILARIOUS thing about that is that their desperation is as
TRANSPARENT as hell -- and that everyone sees in a NANOSECOND
that that's all those schmucks are -- immature and cowardly little
DWEEBS who will never amount to a hill of beans. Standing JOKES.
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Jan 2, 2012, 5:19:39 AM1/2/12
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On 1 Jan 2012 22:58:52 -0000,
*ANONYMOUS* CRAVEN COWARD, Who Lacked the
Courage of His Convictions to Post under His REAL,
FULL, and Easily-Verifiable Name as Many People in
Here Do Because They Do NOT support LOATHSOME
Agendas, "bystander" <byst...@here.com> wrote:
Courage of His Convictions to Post under His REAL,
FULL, and Easily-Verifiable Name as Many People in
Here Do Because They Do NOT support LOATHSOME
> ...dick sucking...
...aka, "fellatio," when referred to by people who are NOT
immature and dweebish little laughingstock-lowlifes like you
who have the mentality of a wrong-side-of-the-tracks 7-year-
old-boy -- is a sex act practiced by the MAJORITY of American
teenage girls and women with their partners. Routinely. And
NO person in possession of a normally-functioning brain would
even THINK about giving a flying rat's ass about the way that
OTHER people than themselves have sex. OR with whom.
So -- your point?
Ed Cryer
Jan 2, 2012, 10:28:49 AM1/2/12
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And how do you get rid of it? Well, my experience of bullies tells me
"fight the little bastards".
I've never been gay (and I'm hardly likely to come out at my age), but I
have had experience of bullies. And I repeat my advice; fight the little
bastards.
You'll find that they are as trapped in their attitudes as you are in
yours; and you blame them, but they blame you. Fight the little
bastards; that is, stand up to them, show that you're prepared to fight.
And yes, you might get a few bruises but if you do it with gusto you're
more likely to see them back down, and maybe even run. Bullies are often
cowards (as I think you know). And once you've done that, even just
once, it will turn things around in a quite astonishing way. At least
that's what I've found.
Fight the little bastards. I'm not telling you to stay a fighter; it's a
tactic for turning things around, ridding yourself of a pest. That done,
you can be yourself again.
Ed
Bill Taylor
Jan 2, 2012, 12:40:17 PM1/2/12
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In article <bb03g75e37llbua78...@4ax.com>
"(�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.shtrhethetheth.com>"
too.
"(�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.shtrhethetheth.com>"
<a...@s.com> wrote:
>
> On 1 Jan 2012 22:58:52 -0000,
> *ANONYMOUS* CRAVEN COWARD, Who Lacked the
> Courage of His Convictions to Post under His REAL,
> FULL, and Easily-Verifiable Name as Many People in
> Here Do Because They Do NOT support LOATHSOME
> Agendas, "bystander" <byst...@here.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ...dick sucking...
>
> ...aka, "fellatio," when referred to by people who are NOT
> immature and dweebish little
Queers call it dick sucking. They coined the term teabagging
>
> On 1 Jan 2012 22:58:52 -0000,
> *ANONYMOUS* CRAVEN COWARD, Who Lacked the
> Courage of His Convictions to Post under His REAL,
> FULL, and Easily-Verifiable Name as Many People in
> Here Do Because They Do NOT support LOATHSOME
> Agendas, "bystander" <byst...@here.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ...dick sucking...
>
> ...aka, "fellatio," when referred to by people who are NOT
> immature and dweebish little
too.
(�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Jan 2, 2012, 1:13:02 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:28:49 +0000,
Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���)
> <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> Ed Cryer<e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> Uergil wrote:
>>>> "IlBeBauck"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Mike Norman"<mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propa-
>>>>>> ganda term.
Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���)
> <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> Ed Cryer<e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> Uergil wrote:
>>>> "IlBeBauck"<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Mike Norman"<mikenor...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As we have known all along, homophobia is just a propa-
>>>> No more so than "homosexual" is a propaganda term.
hate-agendas of all of the lowlife-losers who are irrational
and profoundly-IGNORANT enough to *be* bigots who
would:
(a) disparage perfectly-NORMAL gays for NO good reason,
or seek in ANY way to discriminate against them and/or
attempt to deprive them in any way of their FULL range
of Civil & Human Rights and personal liberties, including
marriage equality... and/or...
(b) support in ANY way hateful agendas that see to hurl
America BACK into the PRE-"Roe vs. Wade" Dark Ages
and FORCE girls and women to gestate UNwanted (and
thus utterly worthless) pregnancies to term against their
will at the expense of their well-being, rights, and count-
less of their future opportunities. Which would consist
of a very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE.
As you can see, this IS Civil Rights Movement II that I'm
talking about here, and I am just as staunch an ALLY of
the gays as a straight that I was a "Northern agitator"
white ALLY of the blacks when I was a worker/activist in
Jackson, Mississippi in the early '60s, in Civil Rights Move-
ment I. So -- there's nothing to "let go" of. I'm in this
all the way until both of those hate-agendas are as EX-
TINCT as those of the segregationists have been for the
last 48 years... and the RRR Cult is nothing but a dark
footnote in the history books.
(2) The advice you provided above isn't at all needed by me;
no one has intimidate me since the day a hood in high
school was taunting me in the lunch line and I whirled on
him and punched him out 4 ways from Sunday, all the
way into the Boiler Room across the hall. (We both got
suspended for the rest of the day for that -- but it was
SWEET!! I can't remember the last time I found a day
off any more satisfying and enjoyable than that!)
Finally, one thing that probably terrifies the homophobic bigots
more than anything else is the fact that we straight egalitarians
who are ALLIES of the gays in CRM II *outnumber* that gays,
themselves, by a ratio of 10-1 !! The MAJORITY of Americans --
53% and growing -- now FAVOR same-sex marriage. The lowlifes
have already LOST, and they don't fully realize that yet!
You should construct a SIG from that which you just wrote,
above, and append it to posts anytime you think it could be
helpful to people who've recently been or are being bullied. It
is GOOD advice!
George Plimpton
Jan 2, 2012, 1:34:37 PM1/2/12
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On 1/2/2012 10:13 AM, (�`�.� Craig Chilton �.���)
<http://www.LemonParty.org> bullshitted:
> [...]
...only a figment of Chitlin's tortured imagination.
<http://www.LemonParty.org> bullshitted:
> [...]
...only a figment of Chitlin's tortured imagination.
Ed Cryer
Jan 2, 2012, 1:45:06 PM1/2/12
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(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:28:49 +0000,
that!)
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:28:49 +0000,
>
That's good to hear.
"A change has come to America". Jeez, I can't begin to tell you how much
that rings around my head here in the UK.
The USA voted in a black president. That might be words in a book to
many, but to me it's written against the sky. I remember the 60s;
bussing, Martin Luther King, segregation; hate, hate, hate; entrenched
behaviour, let your lot give way first; we're in the right.
It can happen; it has happened. What brought it about? Stand up; stand
up; stand up.
As for the question of gays in the USA, well then, if they aren't good
with their fists, let them learn how to sing or dance, compose music, or
acquire some other talent related to the entertainments industry; and
then come to the UK. It's almost a sine qua non here to be gay if you
want to succeed in entertainment; and it has been for years and years.
Ed
John Briggs
Jan 2, 2012, 3:19:08 PM1/2/12
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On 01/01/2012 22:45, B. T. Raven wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
>>> But then gayhood in the sense first applicable to Oscar Wilde and Karl
>>> Friedrich Ulrichs didn't exist when the line "Victorem a victo superari
>>> saepe videmus" or even "Hibernia capta ferum victorem cepit." Attamen,
>>> homophobia iam pridem exstabat (fortasse semper exstabit).
>
> Die Sat Dec 31 2011 19:59:13 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) John
> Briggs<john.b...@ntlworld.com> scripsit:
>>
>> On the other hand, what about Eleanor Rykener?
>>
>> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1395rykener.asp
> "
>>
>> Undecimo die Decembris anno regni regis Ricardi secundi decimo octavo,
>> ducti fuerunt hic coram Johanne Fressh maiore et aldermannis civitatis
>> Londoniensis Johannes Britby de comitate Eboracum et Johannes Rykener,
>> se Elianoram nominans veste muliebri detectus. Qui die dominica ultimo
>> preterita per quosdam dicte civitatis ministros noctanter inter horas
>> octavam et nonam super quoddam stallum in venella vocata Sopereslane
>> inventi fuerunt iacentes, illud vitium detestabile, nephandum, et
>> ignominiosum committentes, pro seperali examinatione coram dictis maiore
>> et aldermannis super premissa fienda et audienda etcetera. Qui quidem
>> Johannes Britby inde allocutus fatebatur quod ipse per vicum regium de
>> Chepe die dominica inter horas supradictas transiens, dictum Johannem
>> Rykener vestitu muliebri ornatum, ipsumque mulierem fore suspicantem
>> fuerat assecutus, petens ab eo, tanquam a muliere, si cum ea libidinose
>> agere possit. Qui ab eo argentum pro labore suo petens sibi
>> consentiebat, invicem transeuntes ad illud complendum usque stallum
>> predictum. Ipsi tamen tunc ibidem per ministros predictos in eorum
>> maleficiis detestabilibus capti fuerunt, carcere vero mancipati
>> hucusque, etcetera. Et predictus Johannes Rykener in veste muliebri hic
>> adductus de materia predicta allocutus cognovit se fecisse in omnibus
>> prout idem Johannes Britby superius fatebatur etcetera. Quesitum fuit
>> ulterius a prefato Johanne Rykener quis ei docuit dictum vitium exercere
>> et quanto tempore, in quibus locis, et cum quibus personis masculis sive
>> feminis illud actum libidinosum et nephandum commisit. Qui in animam
>> suam sponte iuravit et cognovit quod quaedam Anna, meretrix quondam
>> cuiusdam famuli domini Thome Blount, primo docuit ipsum vitium
>> detestabile modo muliebri exercere. Item dixit quod quaedam Elizabeth
>> Brouderer prius vestivit ipsum veste muliebri; quae etiam conduxit
>> quandam Aliciam filiam suam diversis hominibus luxuriae causa, ipsam cum
>> eisdem hominibus in lectis eorum noctanter absque lumine reponens et
>> eandem summo mane ab eisdem recedere fecit, monstrando eis dictum
>> Johannem Rykener veste muliebri ornatum ipsum Alianoram nominantem,
>> asserens ipsos cum ipsa sinistre egisse. Item dixit quod quidam
>> Philippus, Rector de Theydon Gernon, concubuit cum eodem Johanne Rykener
>> ut cum muliere in domo cuiusdam Elizabeth Brouderer extra
>> Bisshoppesgate, quo tempore dictus Johannes Rykener asportavit duas
>> togas ipsius Philippi. Et quando idem Philippus illas petiit a prefato
>> Johanne Rykener, ipse dixit quod fuit uxor cuiusdam hominis, et si ipse
>> illas repetere vellet faceret maritum suum versus ipsum prosequi. Item
>> dictus Johannes Rykener fatebatur quod per quinque septimanas ante
>> festum santi Michaelis ultimo elapsum morabatur apud Oxonium et operatus
>> est ibidem in veste muliebri in arte de brouderer nominans ipsum
>> Alianoram. Et ibidem in marisco tres scolares ignotos, quorum unus
>> nominatur dominus Willielmus Foxlee, alius dominus Johannes, et tertius
>> dominus Walterus, usi fuerunt sepius cum ipso abominabile vitium
>> supradictum. Item fatebatur prefatus Johannes Rykener quod ipse die
>> veneris proximo ante festum sancti Michaelis supradictum venit apud
>> Burford in comitate Oxonium. Et ibidem fuit commorans cum quodam Johanne
>> clerc atte Swan in officio de tapster per sex septimanas proximas
>> sequentes, infra quod tempus duo fratres minores, quorum unus nominatur
>> frater Michael et alius frater Johannes Barry, qui sibi dedit unum
>> anulum aureum, et unus frater carmelitus et sex diversi homines extranei
>> commiserunt cum illo vitium antedictum. Quorum quidem fratrum et hominum
>> supradictorum quidam dabat dicto Johanni Rykener .xii. d, quidam .xx. d,
>> quidam .ii. s. Item fatebatur idem Johannes Rykener quod fuit apud
>> Bekenesfeld et ibidem idem ut vir concubuit cum quadam Johanna filia
>> Johannis Mathew, et etiam ibidem cum ipso concubuerunt ut cum femina duo
>> fratres minores alienigenae. Item fatebatur dictus Johannes Rykener quod
>> post eius ultimum adventum Londoniae quidam dominus Johannes quondam
>> capellanus ecclesiae sanctae Margaretae Patyns et alii duo capellani in
>> venellis retro ecclesiam sanctae Katerinae iuxta turrim Londoniensem
>> commiserunt cum illo illud vitium antedictum. Item dixit dictus Johannes
>> Rykener quod ipse sepius concubuit cum quampluribus monialibus ut vir,
>> et etiam concubuit modo virili cum quampluribus mulieribus, tam
>> maritatis quam aliis, quarum numerum ignorat. Item fatebatur dictus
>> Johannes Rykener quod quamplures presbiteri fecerunt illud vitium cum
>> illo ut cum muliere, quorum numerum ignorat, et dixit quod citius cepit
>> presbiteros quam alios quia plus vellent sibi dare quam alii.
> "
>
> It's difficult to say what exactly that "antedictum vitium" might mean
> explicitly.
"the above-said vice" :-)
You're better off with "cum ipso concubuerunt ut cum femina"...
--
John Briggs
>
>
> [...]
>
>>> But then gayhood in the sense first applicable to Oscar Wilde and Karl
>>> Friedrich Ulrichs didn't exist when the line "Victorem a victo superari
>>> saepe videmus" or even "Hibernia capta ferum victorem cepit." Attamen,
>>> homophobia iam pridem exstabat (fortasse semper exstabit).
>
> Die Sat Dec 31 2011 19:59:13 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) John
> Briggs<john.b...@ntlworld.com> scripsit:
>>
>> On the other hand, what about Eleanor Rykener?
>>
>> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1395rykener.asp
> "
>>
>> Undecimo die Decembris anno regni regis Ricardi secundi decimo octavo,
>> ducti fuerunt hic coram Johanne Fressh maiore et aldermannis civitatis
>> Londoniensis Johannes Britby de comitate Eboracum et Johannes Rykener,
>> se Elianoram nominans veste muliebri detectus. Qui die dominica ultimo
>> preterita per quosdam dicte civitatis ministros noctanter inter horas
>> octavam et nonam super quoddam stallum in venella vocata Sopereslane
>> inventi fuerunt iacentes, illud vitium detestabile, nephandum, et
>> ignominiosum committentes, pro seperali examinatione coram dictis maiore
>> et aldermannis super premissa fienda et audienda etcetera. Qui quidem
>> Johannes Britby inde allocutus fatebatur quod ipse per vicum regium de
>> Chepe die dominica inter horas supradictas transiens, dictum Johannem
>> Rykener vestitu muliebri ornatum, ipsumque mulierem fore suspicantem
>> fuerat assecutus, petens ab eo, tanquam a muliere, si cum ea libidinose
>> agere possit. Qui ab eo argentum pro labore suo petens sibi
>> consentiebat, invicem transeuntes ad illud complendum usque stallum
>> predictum. Ipsi tamen tunc ibidem per ministros predictos in eorum
>> maleficiis detestabilibus capti fuerunt, carcere vero mancipati
>> hucusque, etcetera. Et predictus Johannes Rykener in veste muliebri hic
>> adductus de materia predicta allocutus cognovit se fecisse in omnibus
>> prout idem Johannes Britby superius fatebatur etcetera. Quesitum fuit
>> ulterius a prefato Johanne Rykener quis ei docuit dictum vitium exercere
>> et quanto tempore, in quibus locis, et cum quibus personis masculis sive
>> feminis illud actum libidinosum et nephandum commisit. Qui in animam
>> suam sponte iuravit et cognovit quod quaedam Anna, meretrix quondam
>> cuiusdam famuli domini Thome Blount, primo docuit ipsum vitium
>> detestabile modo muliebri exercere. Item dixit quod quaedam Elizabeth
>> Brouderer prius vestivit ipsum veste muliebri; quae etiam conduxit
>> quandam Aliciam filiam suam diversis hominibus luxuriae causa, ipsam cum
>> eisdem hominibus in lectis eorum noctanter absque lumine reponens et
>> eandem summo mane ab eisdem recedere fecit, monstrando eis dictum
>> Johannem Rykener veste muliebri ornatum ipsum Alianoram nominantem,
>> asserens ipsos cum ipsa sinistre egisse. Item dixit quod quidam
>> Philippus, Rector de Theydon Gernon, concubuit cum eodem Johanne Rykener
>> ut cum muliere in domo cuiusdam Elizabeth Brouderer extra
>> Bisshoppesgate, quo tempore dictus Johannes Rykener asportavit duas
>> togas ipsius Philippi. Et quando idem Philippus illas petiit a prefato
>> Johanne Rykener, ipse dixit quod fuit uxor cuiusdam hominis, et si ipse
>> illas repetere vellet faceret maritum suum versus ipsum prosequi. Item
>> dictus Johannes Rykener fatebatur quod per quinque septimanas ante
>> festum santi Michaelis ultimo elapsum morabatur apud Oxonium et operatus
>> est ibidem in veste muliebri in arte de brouderer nominans ipsum
>> Alianoram. Et ibidem in marisco tres scolares ignotos, quorum unus
>> nominatur dominus Willielmus Foxlee, alius dominus Johannes, et tertius
>> dominus Walterus, usi fuerunt sepius cum ipso abominabile vitium
>> supradictum. Item fatebatur prefatus Johannes Rykener quod ipse die
>> veneris proximo ante festum sancti Michaelis supradictum venit apud
>> Burford in comitate Oxonium. Et ibidem fuit commorans cum quodam Johanne
>> clerc atte Swan in officio de tapster per sex septimanas proximas
>> sequentes, infra quod tempus duo fratres minores, quorum unus nominatur
>> frater Michael et alius frater Johannes Barry, qui sibi dedit unum
>> anulum aureum, et unus frater carmelitus et sex diversi homines extranei
>> commiserunt cum illo vitium antedictum. Quorum quidem fratrum et hominum
>> supradictorum quidam dabat dicto Johanni Rykener .xii. d, quidam .xx. d,
>> quidam .ii. s. Item fatebatur idem Johannes Rykener quod fuit apud
>> Bekenesfeld et ibidem idem ut vir concubuit cum quadam Johanna filia
>> Johannis Mathew, et etiam ibidem cum ipso concubuerunt ut cum femina duo
>> fratres minores alienigenae. Item fatebatur dictus Johannes Rykener quod
>> post eius ultimum adventum Londoniae quidam dominus Johannes quondam
>> capellanus ecclesiae sanctae Margaretae Patyns et alii duo capellani in
>> venellis retro ecclesiam sanctae Katerinae iuxta turrim Londoniensem
>> commiserunt cum illo illud vitium antedictum. Item dixit dictus Johannes
>> Rykener quod ipse sepius concubuit cum quampluribus monialibus ut vir,
>> et etiam concubuit modo virili cum quampluribus mulieribus, tam
>> maritatis quam aliis, quarum numerum ignorat. Item fatebatur dictus
>> Johannes Rykener quod quamplures presbiteri fecerunt illud vitium cum
>> illo ut cum muliere, quorum numerum ignorat, et dixit quod citius cepit
>> presbiteros quam alios quia plus vellent sibi dare quam alii.
> "
>
> It's difficult to say what exactly that "antedictum vitium" might mean
> explicitly.
"the above-said vice" :-)
You're better off with "cum ipso concubuerunt ut cum femina"...
--
John Briggs
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On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
ho搶o搆ho搓i戢 [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] noun
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
(1) Unreasoning fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.
(2) Unreasoning antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
The above was stated in the dictionary in one short sentence that
included both meanings:
"Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
and homosexuality."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
(Since bigots are such PARANOID, GUTLESS, IGNORANT, and
IRRATIONAL little dweebs, they probably suffers from BOTH.
Take *note* of the adjective, "unreasoning," in the definition!)
(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Jan 2, 2012, 6:22:55 PM1/2/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:45:06 +0000,
Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
> <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
> <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
> That's good to hear.
>
> "A change has come to America". Jeez, I can't begin to tell you how
> much that rings around my head here in the UK.
>
> The USA voted in a black president. That might be words in a book to
> many, but to me it's written against the sky. I remember the 60s; bussing,
> let your lot give way first; we're in the right.
>
> It can happen; it has happened. What brought it about? Stand up;
> stand up; stand up.
After the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, it became clear that almost
>
> It can happen; it has happened. What brought it about? Stand up;
> stand up; stand up.
ANYTHING is possible!
> As for the question of gays in the USA, well then, if they aren't good
> with their fists, let them learn how to sing or dance, compose music, or
> acquire some other talent related to the entertainments industry; and
> then come to the UK. It's almost a sine qua non here to be gay if you
> want to succeed in entertainment; and it has been for years and years.
play to cause people to be born homosexual, it seems to control a LOT
more than merely which gender the gays and bis are attracted to. They
ALSO tend to be far above average an MANY positive ways, including
creativity, art, design, and business acumen. And history is filled with
a huge number of VERY accomplished and noteworthy LGBTs. ---
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
NOTEWORTHY Historical Persons Who
Happened to be Homosexuals
Alexander the Great
*Macedonian Ruler, 300 B.C.
Socrates
*Greek Philosopher, 400 B.C.
Sappho
*Greek Woman Poet, 600 B.C.
Hadrian
*Roman Emperor, 1st-2nd c.
Richard the Lionhearted
*English King, 12th c.
Saladin
*Sultan of Egypt and Syria
Desiderius Erasmus
*Dutch Monk, Philosopher
Francis Bacon
*English statesman, author
Frederick the Great
*King of Prussia
Lord Byron
*English poet, 18th c.
Walt Whitman
*U.S. poet, author, 19th c.
Oscar Wilde
*Irish author, 19th c.
Marcel Proust
*French author, 20th c.
Colette
*French author, 20th c.
Gertrude Stein
*U.S. poet, author, 20th c.
Alice B. Toklas
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Federico Garcia Lorca
*Spanish author, 20th c.
Cole Porter
*U.S. composer, 20th c.
Virginia Woolf
*English author, 20th c.
Leonard Bernstein
*U.S. composer, 20th c.
Pope Julius III
*1550-1555
T.E. Lawrence
*English soldier, author, 20th c.
Jean Cocteau
*French writer, director, 20th c.
Charles Laughton
*English actor, 20th c.
Marguerite Yourcenar
*Belgian author, 20th c.
Tennessee Williams
*U.S. Playwright, 20th c.
James Baldwin
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Andy Warhol
*U.S. artist, 20th c.
Michelangelo
*Italian artist, 15th c.
Leonardo Da Vinci
*Ital. Artist, scientist, 15th c.
Christopher Marlowe
*Eng. Playwright, 16th c.
Herman Melville
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Horatio Alger, Jr.
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Tchaikovsky
*Russian composer, 19th c.
Willa Cather
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Amy Lowell
*U.S. author, 19th & 20th c.
E.M. Forster
*English author, 20th c.
John M. Keynes
*English economist, 20th c.
Ludwig Wittgenstein
*Australian mathematician, 20th c.
Bessie Smith
*U.S. singer, 20th c.
Noel Coward
*English playwright, 20th c.
Christopher Isherwood
*English author, 20th c.
Pier Paolo Pasolini
*Italian film director, 20th c.
Yukio Mishima
*Japanese author, 20th c.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*U.S. stateswoman, 20th c.
Julius Caesar
*Roman Emperor, 100-44 B.C.
Augustus Caesar
*Roman Emperor
Harvey Milk
*U.S. politician, 20th c.
Bayard Rustin
*U.S. Civil Rights activist, 20th c.
James I
*English King, 16th-17th c.
Queen Anne
*English Queen, 18th c.
Marie Antoinette
*French Empress, 18th c.
Melissa Etheridge
*U.S. Rock Star, 20th c.
Pope Benedict IX
*1032-1044
May Sarton
*U.S. author, (1912 - 1995)
Edna Ferber
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Elton John
*English Rock Star, 20th c.
Margaret Fuller
*U.S. writer, educator, 20th c.
Montezuma II
*Aztec ruler, 16th c.
Peter the Great
*Russian Czar, 17th-18th c.
Langston Hughes
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Pope John XII
*955-964
Madame de Stael
*French writer, 17th-18th c.
Martina Navratilova
*U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
Greg Louganis
*U.S. Olympic swimmer, 20th c.
Billie Jean King
*U.S. tennis star, 20th c.
Roberta Achtenburg
*U.S. politician, 20th c.
Barney Frank
*U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
Gerry Studds
*U.S. Congressman, 20th c.
Hans Christian Andersen
*Danish author, 19th c.
Tom Dooley
*U.S. M.D. missionary, 20th c.
J. Edgar Hoover
*U.S. director of the FBI., 20th c.
Frida Kahlo
*Mexican artist, 20th c.
Suleiman the Magnificent
*Ottoman ruler, 15th c.
Rock Hudson
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
*Mexican author, 16th c.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
*U.S. author, 19th c.
Candace Gingrich
*Gay Rights activist, 20th c.
Margarethe Cammermeyer
*U.S. Army Colonel, 20th c.
Zoe Dunning
*U.S. Military Reservist, 20th c.
Tom Waddel
*U.S. M.D., Olympic star, 20th c.
Kate Millet
*U.S. author, 20th c.
Janis Joplin
*U.S. singer, 20th c.
Rudolf Nuryev
*Russian dancer, 20th c.
Waslaw Nijinsky
*Russian dancer, 20th c.
Ernst Röhm
*German Nazi leader, 20th c.
Dag Hammerskjold
*Swedish UN Secretary, 209th c.
Aristotle
*Greek philosopher, 384-322 B.C.
Paula Gunn Allen
*Native American author, 20th c.
Angela Davis
*U.S. political activist, 20th c.
June Jordan
*U.S. author, activist, 20th c.
Rainer Maria Rilke
*German poet, 20th c.
James Dean
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Montgomery Clift
*U.S. actor, 20th c.
Baron VonSteuben
*German General, Valley Forge
Edward II
*English King, 14th c.
http://www.lambda.org/famous.htm
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from top 5 websites below.)
Tens of thousands of posts to Usenet since 1994 -- *ALL* made
under my REAL, FULL, and easily-VERIFIABLE name. Because
as a fair-minded egalitarian, I have NOTHING to be ashamed-of!
[[ Readers: If you respond to my post, and you wish for me to
SEE your response, you'll need to make sure that you include
alt.politics.homosexuality in the cross-postings, and that the
total number of groups in the cross-postings is five or fewer.
That's because the vilest and most irrational of the Anti-Human
& Civil Rights bigots are those seeking to deny EQUAL rights to
gays. So in defending those rights, as one of their straight
egalitarian allies, I monitor and post almost exclusively from
that group. ]]
Other highly-informative Resources:
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
John W Kennedy
Jan 2, 2012, 8:30:22 PM1/2/12
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--
John W Kennedy
"You can, if you wish, class all science-fiction together; but it is
about as perceptive as classing the works of Ballantyne, Conrad and W.
W. Jacobs together as the 'sea-story' and then criticizing _that_."
-- C. S. Lewis. "An Experiment in Criticism"
John W Kennedy
Jan 3, 2012, 12:45:23 PM1/3/12
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On 2012-01-02 23:22:55 +0000, (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
> http://www.lambda.org/famous.htm
Well, some of those on the list are or were definitely bi, and a few
cases are altogether iffy.
<http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> said:
> And history is filled with
> a huge number of VERY accomplished and noteworthy LGBTs. ---
> ...
> And history is filled with
> a huge number of VERY accomplished and noteworthy LGBTs. ---
> http://www.lambda.org/famous.htm
Well, some of those on the list are or were definitely bi, and a few
cases are altogether iffy.
Ed Cryer
Jan 3, 2012, 12:51:25 PM1/3/12
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John W Kennedy wrote:
> On 2012-01-02 23:22:55 +0000, (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
> <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> said:
>> And history is filled with
>> a huge number of VERY accomplished and noteworthy LGBTs. ---
>
>> ...
>
>> http://www.lambda.org/famous.htm
>
> Well, some of those on the list are or were definitely bi, and a few
> cases are altogether iffy.
>
I'd never heard that Aristotle was gay before.
> On 2012-01-02 23:22:55 +0000, (¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯)
> <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com> said:
>> And history is filled with
>> a huge number of VERY accomplished and noteworthy LGBTs. ---
>
>> ...
>
>> http://www.lambda.org/famous.htm
>
> Well, some of those on the list are or were definitely bi, and a few
> cases are altogether iffy.
>
Ed
Colanth
Jan 3, 2012, 1:35:17 PM1/3/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:45:06 +0000, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:
If you're speaking to homophobes in the USA you have one problem -
it's almost sine qua non for them to be illiterate enough (and proud
of it) to not understand phrases like 'sine qua non'.
--
"I heard somebody say, 'Where's Nelson Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead.
Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." - George W. Bush
wrote:
it's almost sine qua non for them to be illiterate enough (and proud
of it) to not understand phrases like 'sine qua non'.
--
"I heard somebody say, 'Where's Nelson Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead.
Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." - George W. Bush
Ed Cryer
Jan 3, 2012, 2:43:53 PM1/3/12
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plus ultra. When you want an ad hoc solution to a problem, don't seek ad
infinitum and certainly not ad nauseam. The status quo is sub iudice,
whereas tempus fugit, especially when it's on a moratorium.
Nil desperandum, however. Fortuna fortes fovet.
Ed (caught in flagranti delicto)
:-)
Ed Cryer
Jan 4, 2012, 9:24:08 AM1/4/12
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get it as intended, well, I was pointing out that low-life are often on
the wrong side of the law.
If I take you aright on this, you're linking their attitude to their
mental abilities; maybe even their IQ.
No, forget that; that's wrong.
We're talking about conditioned behaviour, and that doesn't occur with
one person just thinking about things, in the solitariness of his own
mind. No. It occurs from social situations; just like racism; it's
conditioned in inbred cultures.
There are, of course, other phobias that arise from events that happen
to individuals. You'll find people scared of water, scared of heights,
scared of cats. And, no doubt, some have had childhood abuse that
creates homophobia. But the majority of if that I've seen is socially
conditioned. It happens in gangs, where it's cool to be a yob, and it's
outlawed to be effeminate. The worst you can be in those groupings is
namby-pamby, tidiness freak, a swot, and other suchlike. And those who
are perceived to be such take the stick.
That's what has to be broken; the culture that creates and perpetuates
those values. The individual family situations will probably always
occur, but they are in an immense minority compared with the yob-culture
occurrences. It's the gangs that wield the power, set the street values;
and any little put-down, low self-esteem nobody can gain great kudos
from playing the bully; and they do.
There's no known easy path to cracking such endemic behaviour; it's
often a long and hard one. But it's in the air, it's today's Zeitgeist,
there have been lots of successes, and the law has changed. And that
tends to force the gangs and their attitudes more underground.
For the victims, however, it'll be a hard slog. You have to fight
spiritually, and stand up; put yourself in the limelight and claim your
rights.
Ed
Colanth
Jan 4, 2012, 4:20:40 PM1/4/12
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:43:53 +0000, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:
>whereas tempus fugit
I prefer Drosophila melanogaster.
wrote:
>whereas tempus fugit
I prefer Drosophila melanogaster.
DanielSan
Jan 4, 2012, 4:29:59 PM1/4/12
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On 1/4/2012 1:20 PM, Colanth wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:43:53 +0000, Ed Cryer<e...@somewhere.in.the.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> whereas tempus fugit
>
> I prefer Drosophila melanogaster.
I prefer Tocatta and Fugue in D-Minor.
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:43:53 +0000, Ed Cryer<e...@somewhere.in.the.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> whereas tempus fugit
>
> I prefer Drosophila melanogaster.
Barry OGrady
Jan 5, 2012, 5:09:53 AM1/5/12
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:22:45 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:15:57 +1100, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>What is the word for
>> "Reasonable fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
>> and homosexuality?"
>
>Assininity.
Websters online says
assininity
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling
suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.
sillimanite
Sinai, Mount
sinfonietta
seniority
>--
==========
wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:15:57 +1100, Barry OGrady
><ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>What is the word for
>> "Reasonable fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
>> and homosexuality?"
>
>Assininity.
assininity
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling
suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.
sillimanite
Sinai, Mount
sinfonietta
seniority
>--
==========
John W Kennedy
Jan 5, 2012, 10:37:38 AM1/5/12
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(¯`·.¸ Craig Chilton ¸.·´¯) <http://www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Jan 6, 2012, 7:18:26 AM1/6/12
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On 30 Dec 2011 19:55:55 -0000,
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
ho搶o搆ho搓i戢 [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] noun
"Mike Norman" <miken...@msn.com> wrote:
> ...homophobia...
...just like MANY words, has MULTIPLE meanings:
From Dictionary.com:
(1) Unreasoning fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.
(2) Unreasoning antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
The above was stated in the dictionary in one short sentence that
included both meanings:
"Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals
and homosexuality."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
(Since bigots are such PARANOID, GUTLESS, IGNORANT, and
IRRATIONAL little dweebs, they probably suffers from BOTH.
Take *note* of the adjective, "unreasoning," in the definition!)
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from top 5 websites below.)
Tens of thousands of posts to Usenet since 1994 -- *ALL* made
under my REAL, FULL, and easily-VERIFIABLE name. Because
as a fair-minded egalitarian, I have NOTHING to be ashamed-of!
[[ Readers: If you respond to my post, and you wish for me to
SEE your response, you'll need to make sure that you include
alt.politics.homosexuality in the cross-postings, and that the
total number of groups in the cross-postings is five or fewer.
That's because the vilest and most irrational of the Anti-Human
& Civil Rights bigots are those seeking to deny EQUAL rights to
gays. So in defending those rights, as one of their straight
egalitarian allies, I monitor and post almost exclusively from
that group. ]]
Other highly-informative Resources:
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
-- Craig Chilton (E-Mail me if you wish, from top 5 websites below.)
Tens of thousands of posts to Usenet since 1994 -- *ALL* made
under my REAL, FULL, and easily-VERIFIABLE name. Because
as a fair-minded egalitarian, I have NOTHING to be ashamed-of!
[[ Readers: If you respond to my post, and you wish for me to
SEE your response, you'll need to make sure that you include
alt.politics.homosexuality in the cross-postings, and that the
total number of groups in the cross-postings is five or fewer.
That's because the vilest and most irrational of the Anti-Human
& Civil Rights bigots are those seeking to deny EQUAL rights to
gays. So in defending those rights, as one of their straight
egalitarian allies, I monitor and post almost exclusively from
that group. ]]
Other highly-informative Resources:
http://www.TravelForPay.org -- Unemployment Solution!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com -- Fight the hateful RRR Cult!
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Exposing RRR Cult Bigotry
http://www.shadowandillusion.com -- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
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