Who said this in what context?
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Patrick Tingler
> Mundus vult decipi; ergo decipiatur
I don't know if the phrase has a verified origin. The phrase (sometimes
appearing with vulgus, populus, or even homo in place of mundus) has
been attributed to a few people. One of the earliest names I know that
it's attributed to is Cardinal Carlo Caraffa (lived 1500's) and
supposedly he said it to his uncle Pope Paul IV. Another person that
I've seen it attributed to is Sebastian Brant. (I think he lived late
1400's to early 1500's) So, its origin seems to depend on whom you ask.
Perhaps someone else on here knows more about it.
--
Patrick Tingler
Tui soles numquam pallescant.
(Translation: "May your suns never fade." A valediction used in my
Fading Suns campaign.)
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quaeramus
The quip, if I may so call it, translates as: "The World wishes to be
deceived;
therefore let it be deceived." It sounds rather cynical and would not
be out of
place as the motto of quite a number of modern companies. Doubtless
many of you
will be already be adding your own list gleaned from bitter
experience! However,
the original has,as I have read, been ascribed to Petronius.
Mr.Tingler is correct,however,in saying that there are a number
of variants."Populus vult..." is indeed ascribed to Cardinal Carafa
(d.1591),Legate of Paul IV in reference to the devout Parisians. The
variation
"Mundus vult..." is quoted by Sebastian Franks in his "Paradoxa"(1533)
as being
said by a monk who thereby explained why his sacks were well filled!
And in case anyone is unwise enough to credit me with a depth of
knowledge which I certainly dont have let me hasten to say that my
information in this case comes from an excellent old reference book of
mine: Sir Gurney Benham's
Book of Quotations. I fully suppose that the younger among you will
think
this some sort of joke but I assure you it is not! The edition I have
is from
1962. Never have I come across a better source of Latin quotes and
much else. If any of you know of it I would like to hear your
comments.
Robert Stonehouse
>A little more information:
>
>The quip, if I may so call it, translates as: "The World wishes to be
>deceived;
>therefore let it be deceived." It sounds rather cynical and would not
>be out of
>place as the motto of quite a number of modern companies. Doubtless
>many of you
>will be already be adding your own list gleaned from bitter
>experience! However,
>the original has,as I have read, been ascribed to Petronius.
A great many quotations get ascribed to Petronius, usually without
foundation. Is there an actual reference for this one?
(I think I have seen 'illegitimis non carborundum' ascribed to him!)
> Mr.Tingler is correct,however,in saying that there are a number
>of variants."Populus vult..." is indeed ascribed to Cardinal Carafa
>(d.1591),Legate of Paul IV in reference to the devout Parisians. The
>variation
>"Mundus vult..." is quoted by Sebastian Franks in his "Paradoxa"(1533)
>as being
>said by a monk who thereby explained why his sacks were well filled!
> And in case anyone is unwise enough to credit me with a depth of
>knowledge which I certainly dont have let me hasten to say that my
>information in this case comes from an excellent old reference book of
>mine: Sir Gurney Benham's
>Book of Quotations. I fully suppose that the younger among you will
>think
>this some sort of joke but I assure you it is not! The edition I have
>is from
>1962. Never have I come across a better source of Latin quotes and
>much else. If any of you know of it I would like to hear your
>comments.
quaeramus
hope to have made clear, it is not my own knowledge on this subject
but that of Sir Gurney Benham that I was forwarding. Be that as it
may, this reference book is one of the finest of its kind that I know
of and it astonishes me that I have never seen another copy. If only
for the Latin quotations and proverbs
(of which there must be well over four thousand)the book would be
worth its price. Why it has not been re-issued remains a puzzle to me.
Once again, if anyone knows of it(and I cannot accept that none
amongst the erudite readers
of this excellent N.G.has met with it!) I would be interested to hear
your comments.