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"Latin Language" Keyboard Layout for Windows

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tizocgringo

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Apr 15, 2010, 11:09:49 AM4/15/10
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Dear Readers:

Another burning question is keeping me up at night, and I am losing
too much sleep. So, I thought I would share it with you all and have
YOU lose sleep, too.

Has anyone proposed a keyboard layout for Latin so one may type vowels
with macrons and breves along with other special characters used
exclusively in the written Latin language? I have several ideas, but
I would like to consult those who are much, much wiser and more
experienced. It's not difficult to set up a keyboard layout; however
I really want input about special characters that any ancient Roman
would want on his or her keyboard.

I am greatly interested in your responses, for opening cans of worms
here can become great entertainment.

ACM
tizocgringo

Johannes Patruus

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Apr 15, 2010, 11:47:18 AM4/15/10
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The "Unicorn" editor:
http://www.quasillum.com/software/unicorn.htm
caters for macrons and diaereses:
http://www.quasillum.com/software/help/Latin.php

And of course existing WPs such as M$ Word provide for all manner of
special characters with assigned/assignable "shortcut keys".

Patruus dormitaturus

Peter Ward

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Apr 15, 2010, 12:38:01 PM4/15/10
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Try Multikey - I use it for Greek okay, it claims to cope with Latin as well
as other stuff (Hebrew, Arabic):
http://www.oeaw.ac.at/kal/multikey/
As far as I can tell it's just a set of macros that sit in Word.

Regards

Peter


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tizocgringo

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Apr 15, 2010, 2:25:25 PM4/15/10
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Thank you both for your suggestions. I will look in to them.

I, actually, was looking for something more like a keyboard set up for
all of Windows, not for just Word, or word-processing programs. I was
looking for a configuration for my keyboard as one would have it for
French, German, Spanish, Greek, Russian, etc. I haven't found a
keyboard set up as of yet for Latin that is anything more than, as
Peter said, a set of macros in Word.

Thanks again for your thoughts. If you have any thoughts about what
sort of special characters should be on a "Classical Latin" Keyboard,
please leave me a message.

ACM

John W Kennedy

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Apr 15, 2010, 8:31:21 PM4/15/10
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If "used exclusively in the written Latin language" extends to
diplomatic transcriptions of medieval mss., I'm not sure Unicode itself
is up to it, yet. But macron and breve are readily available as dead
keys on Apple's US International keyboard, viz.: ā ĕ. If I remember
aright, the Beast of Redmond doesn't do so well.

--
John W Kennedy
"I want everybody to be smart. As smart as they can be. A world of
ignorant people is too dangerous to live in."
-- Garson Kanin. "Born Yesterday"

Klaus Scholl

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Apr 16, 2010, 1:13:08 AM4/16/10
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tizocgringo schrieb:

> Dear Readers:
>
> Another burning question is keeping me up at night, and I am losing
> too much sleep. So, I thought I would share it with you all and have
> YOU lose sleep, too.

I use a keyboard driver named "Europatastatur" (www.europatastatur.de),
but it's description is written in german only. It has everything at
hand, macron, breve, trema, etc., e.g. ā ä ă å ã, is low on ressources
and free.

Ed Cryer

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Apr 16, 2010, 7:57:34 AM4/16/10
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"tizocgringo" <tizoc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Windows keyboard has several "spacing" functions. You hit Alt+keypad to
get them. They give you a diacritic mark, and then you just type the
letter you want it to go with. (with which you want it to go??)


¯ spacing macron [Alt]+0175;
¨ spacing umlaut [Alt]+0168;
´ spacing acute [Alt]+0180;
¸ spacing cedilla [Alt]+0184;

There's also "æ" as one character; Alt+145.

Ed


Johannes Patruus

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Apr 16, 2010, 10:02:32 AM4/16/10
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. . . and a heap of others you mentioned previously -
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.language.latin/msg/197752f6292c34aa

(You think we forget?)

> Ed

Patruus

Ed Cryer

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Apr 16, 2010, 11:19:47 AM4/16/10
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"Johannes Patruus" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Blimey! That was in 2003!
I've still got an AccentKeys file, but it's grown a bit. Here's the
whole lot;

á=160 à=133 â=131 ä=132
é=130 è=138 ê=136 ë=137
í=161 ì=141 î=0238 ï=139
ó=162 ò=149 ô=147 ö=148
ú=163 ù=151 û=150 ü=0252
æ=145

Symbol
Character Name Character Code
€ = [Alt]+0128;
À capital A, grave accent [Alt]+0192;
Á capital A, acute accent [Alt]+0193;
 capital A, circumflex accent [Alt]+0194;
à capital A, tilde [Alt]+0195;
Ä capital A, umlaut [Alt]+0196;
Å capital A, ring [Alt]+0197;
Æ capital AE ligature [Alt]+0198;
Ç capital C, cedilla [Alt]+0199;
È capital E, grave accent [Alt]+0200;
É capital E, acute accent [Alt]+0201;
Ê capital E, circumflex accent [Alt]+0202;
Ë capital E, umlaut [Alt]+0203;
Ì capital I, grave accent [Alt]+0204;
Í capital I, acute accent [Alt]+0205;
Î capital I, circumflex accent [Alt]+0206;
Ï capital I, umlaut [Alt]+0207;
Ð capital Eth, Icelandic [Alt]+0208;
Ñ capital N, tilde [Alt]+0209;
Ò capital O, grave accent [Alt]+0210;
Ó capital O, acute accent [Alt]+0211;
Ô capital O, circumflex accent [Alt]+0212;
Õ capital O, tilde [Alt]+0213;
Ö capital O, umlaut [Alt]+0214;
× multiplication sign [Alt]+0215;
Ø capital O, slash [Alt]+0216;
Ù capital U, grave accent [Alt]+0217;
Ú capital U, acute accent [Alt]+0218;
Û capital U, circumflex accent [Alt]+0219;
Ü capital U, umlaut [Alt]+0220;
Ý capital Y, acute accent [Alt]+0221;
Þ capital THORN, Icelandic [Alt]+0222;
ß small ess-tsett (ss), German [Alt]+0223;
à small a, grave accent [Alt]+0224;
á small a, acute accent [Alt]+0225;
â small a, circumflex accent [Alt]+0226;
ã small a, tilde [Alt]+0227;
ä small a, umlaut [Alt]+0228;
å small a, ring [Alt]+0229;
æ small ae ligature [Alt]+0230;
ç small c, cedilla [Alt]+0231;
è small e, grave accent [Alt]+0232;
é small e, acute accent [Alt]+0233;
ê small e, circumflex accent [Alt]+0234;
ë small e, umlaut [Alt]+0235;
ì small i, grave accent [Alt]+0236;
í small i, acute accent [Alt]+0237;
î small i, circumflex accent [Alt]+0238;
ï small i, umlaut [Alt]+0239;
ð small eth, Icelandic [Alt]+0240;
ñ small n, tilde [Alt]+0241;
ò small o, grave accent [Alt]+0242;
ó small o, acute accent [Alt]+0243;
ô small o, circumflex accent [Alt]+0244;
õ small o, tilde [Alt]+0245;
ö small o, umlaut [Alt]+0246;
÷ division sign [Alt]+0247;
ø small o, slash [Alt]+0248;
ù small u, grave accent [Alt]+0249;
ú small u, acute accent [Alt]+0250;
û small u, circumflex accent [Alt]+0251;
ü small u, umlaut [Alt]+0252;
ý small y, acute accent [Alt]+0253;
þ small thorn, Icelandic [Alt]+0254;
ÿ small y, umlaut [Alt]+0255;
¡ inverted exclamation mark [Alt]+0161;
¢ cent sign [Alt]+0162;
£ pound sign [Alt]+0163;
¤ currency sign [Alt]+0164;
¥ yen sign [Alt]+0165;
§ section sign [Alt]+0167;
¨ spacing umlaut [Alt]+0168;
© copyright sign [Alt]+0169;
ª feminine ordinal indicator [Alt]+0170;
« angle quotation mark, left [Alt]+0171;
¬ negation sign [Alt]+0172;
­ soft hyphen [Alt]+0173;
® circled R registered sign [Alt]+0174;
¯ spacing macron [Alt]+0175;
° degree sign [Alt]+0176;
± plus-or-minus sign [Alt]+0177;
² superscript 2 [Alt]+0178;
³ superscript 3 [Alt]+0179;
´ spacing acute [Alt]+0180;
µ micro sign [Alt]+0181;
¶ paragraph sign [Alt]+0182;
· middle dot [Alt]+0183;
¸ spacing cedilla [Alt]+0184;
¹ superscript 1 [Alt]+0185;
º masculine ordinal indicator [Alt]+0186;
» angle quotation mark, right [Alt]+0187;
¼ fraction 1/4 [Alt]+0188;
½ fraction 1/2 [Alt]+0189;
¾ fraction 3/4 [Alt]+0190;
¿ inverted question mark [Alt]+0191;

Klaus Scholl

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Apr 17, 2010, 12:47:19 PM4/17/10
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Ed Cryer schrieb:

This doesn't work on notebooks as easily, because a numpad is missing
or cumbersomely accessable. Regards.

Ed Cryer

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Klaus Scholl

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Apr 18, 2010, 2:09:17 AM4/18/10
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Ed Cryer schrieb:

You are right, with my notebook i have to press FN + ALT + number on
numpad. But for example how do i access the glyph "COMBINING MACRON"
with this method? With the mentioned keyboard driver I'm using I can
type faster and it is more logical, i don't have to remember any
numbers. For example, i can type ā ē ī ō ū (vocals with combining
macrons) in approx. 3 seconds. Regards.

Ed Cryer

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"Klaus Scholl" <kl...@sensualium.cjb.net> wrote in message
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Ārmă vĭrūmquĕ cănō Trōiāe quī prīmŭs ǎb ōrīs

I did the above with Word. But I can’t have a macron extending over ui,
oi or ae.

Can you?

Ed

Klaus Scholl

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Apr 18, 2010, 7:50:07 PM4/18/10
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Ed Cryer schrieb:
> Ārmă vĭrūmquĕ cănō Trōiāe quī prīmŭs ǎb ōrīs. I did the above with Word.

> But I can’t have a macron extending over ui, oi or ae. Can you?

Dear Ed. For ae it is theoretically possible when you use the ligature:
æ. Here: ǣ. On the other hand "ui" are two separate glyphs, and I don't
think you can combine a "combining diacritical mark" with two glyphs.
To be precisely: I'm not sure! There is a "COMBINING DOUBLE MACRON", but
i couldn't bring it to scene at all, maybe it is a feature of future fonts.

The current problem i have with those "combining diacritical marks" is,
that most fonts display them offset, i.e. not centrically above a
character but shifted to the right. It is said to be a font issue, and
so far i could find only two fonts, which display them correctly: Lucida
Sans Unicode and DejaVu Serif. Regards.

Klaus Scholl

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Klaus Scholl schrieb:

> Dear Ed. For ae it is theoretically possible when you use the ligature:
> æ. Here: ǣ. On the other hand "ui" are two separate glyphs, and I don't
> think you can combine a "combining diacritical mark" with two glyphs.
> To be precisely: I'm not sure! There is a "COMBINING DOUBLE MACRON", but
> i couldn't bring it to scene at all, maybe it is a feature of future fonts.
>

Dear Ed. Here is an update. I believed wrong, the "combining double
macron" does indeed serve your wish. All you need is to place this
diacritical sign betwixt both characters. The numerical character
reference in HTML is &#862;, so you would write "u&#862;i" to have it
craned centrically above both u and i. For other combining glyphs to
place over two letters besee
http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/combining_diacritical_marks.html and
search for "combining double". Regards.

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