Looking for a latin phrase
Tex
but I can't find it. I hope one of you can help me.
I'm searching for the greeting the gladiators used before the went in to
battle in the arena.
The english translation would be something like this: "They who are going to
die salute you"
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Musca Volitans
Tex wrote in message ...
>For some time now I'm searching for a certain latin phrase. Call me stupid
>but I can't find it. I hope one of you can help me.
>
>I'm searching for the greeting the gladiators used before the went in to
>battle in the arena.
>The english translation would be something like this: "They who are going to
>die salute you"
>
>
Morituri te salutamus - we who are about to die salute you.
Regards,
M.V.
Tex
Musca Volitans <mu...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Thank you very, very much. That's the phrase I was looking for.
Lem Novantotto
>I'm searching for the greeting the gladiators used before the went in to
>battle in the arena.
>The english translation would be something like this: "They who are going to
>die salute you"
Hi!
Usually the sentence is remembered as follows:
'Ave Ceasar morituri te salutant'. Your translation is perfect.
In Suetonius, 'De Vita Caesarum', we find a funny tale about that.
Just before a naval battle on Fucino lake, gladiators saluted emperor
Claudius saying: 'Ave imperator morituri te salutant'. And Claudius:
'Aut non' (May be not).
That gave the impression to gladiators to have been pardoned, so they
didn't intend to fight anymore. Claudius had to run left and right
(limping, of course), asking and praying, to get them to start the
battle.
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Bye.
Lem
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Aloisius Italicus
>
> Morituri te salutamus - we who are about to die salute you.
>
> Regards,
> M.V.
Hi Musca,
I'm not so well learned as you are but...
...everybody here (in Italy) says:
Ave Caesar, Morituri te salutant !
Hi Caesar, those who are about to die salute you!
What about it ?
is it correct?
greetings,
Gino Aloisius Italicus
Musca Volitans
Aloisius Italicus wrote in message ...
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>
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>> Morituri te salutamus - we who are about to die salute you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> M.V.
>
>Hi Musca,
>I'm not so well learned as you are but...
Thanks for the compliment - but you are pretty well learned
yourself. I read your posts about the oracle and the names
of the legions.
>...everybody here (in Italy) says:
>
>Ave Caesar, Morituri te salutant !
>
>Hi Caesar, those who are about to die salute you!
>
>What about it ?
>is it correct?
>
Yes, I checked Suetonius and it is apparently "Ave imperator,
morituri te salutant".
In an internet search I found several variants of the quote:
Ave imperator / Caesar, morituri te salutant / salutamus.
I'd go with the Suetonius. ;-)
Regards,
M.V.
mchenry
>
> Yes, I checked Suetonius and it is apparently "Ave imperator,
> morituri te salutant".
Silly question, but do you suppose AC/DC was inspired by this phrase to
write, "For those about to rock, we salute you?"
pro moturi, te salutamus?
-dennis
Catiline
I suspect they were just being sloppy, as their English makes little
sense.
Now, what about the Latin word for "rock." To render it into Latin, we
have to go back to the '50s when Bill Haley and the Comets issued "Rock
Around The Clock" which was the first rock-and-roll song. The phrase
"rock-and-roll" had been in use in the US in what we call Rhythm &
Blues, which is how guys like Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins and Elvis
Presley started out. The phrase is very visual, summoning up the image
of bodies rocking back and forth (as in "rocking chair") and rolling
around and the waist.
Our choices are nutare, uacillare and less well horrere. I'll go with
nutare, even though it and uacillare have a sense of instability that is
not necessarily present in the English word.
Now, "those about to rock" is the future active participle in the
ablative, which is nutaturis, giving
Pro nutaturis te salutamus
which makes no more sense in Latin than in English.
Anybody have a better word for "rock?" We need one without the
pejorative connotation of instability in nutare and uacillare.
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mchenry
Kings of Rhythm. It was the first recording to feature 'fuzz tone' guitar
(the result of a torn speaker) and it greatly influenced Bill Haley, who
recorded his own version as a b-side while still fronting the Saddlemen (my
father has a copy of the original single).
The word I chose to render rock was moveo, the future active participle
being moturus, the plural of which is moturi. (Yes, I used the wrong case.)
The reason I chose this word was two-fold. First, it's reminiscent of the
original word, morituris. Second, it can mean to move, to shake, to strum
or play a musical instrument, or to dance.
-dennis
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RGB
(Emerson Lake & Palmer?) called Morituri Te Salutant? It was the first time
I had come across the phrase, aged about 18. I thought it had a fine ring
to it.
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RGB
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Bob
| Actually the first rock and roll song was Rocket 88, by Ike Turner and the
| Kings of Rhythm. It was the first recording to feature 'fuzz tone' guitar
| (the result of a torn speaker) and it greatly influenced Bill Haley, who
| recorded his own version as a b-side while still fronting the Saddlemen
(my
| father has a copy of the original single).
|
| The word I chose to render rock was moveo, the future active participle
| being moturus, the plural of which is moturi. (Yes, I used the wrong
case.)
| The reason I chose this word was two-fold. First, it's reminiscent of the
| original word, morituris. Second, it can mean to move, to shake, to strum
| or play a musical instrument, or to dance.
And, of course, as all Rock fans know, "moturus" is the source of the word
Motown.
--
Bob Boudewyns
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Frank Kannemann
Pun intended ;-)