Quid Licet Iovi, Non Licet Bovi

[David Amicus]

I never knew this expression before until now. I like it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_licet_Iovi,_non_licet_bovi

[Evertjan.]

David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

> I never knew this expression before until now. I like it!

Netiquette: Don't use the subject-line as part of your message.
Repeat it in the text, as some news-readers might show
the subject-line only in the unopened list-view,
or in an obscure location on the screen.

=============

You wrote: "Quid Licet Iovi, Non Licet Bovi"

Why the "quid"?
The familiar sentence is:

"Quod licet Iovi, Non licet bovi."

Would you like to try your hand
at what declensions are used in this sentence?

--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

[David Amicus]

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:17:27 PM UTC-7, Evertjan. wrote:
> David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in
> alt.language.latin:
>
> > I never knew this expression before until now. I like it!
>
> Netiquette: Don't use the subject-line as part of your message.
> Repeat it in the text, as some news-readers might show
> the subject-line only in the unopened list-view,
> or in an obscure location on the screen.

My apologies.

>
> =============
>
> You wrote: "Quid Licet Iovi, Non Licet Bovi"
>
> Why the "quid"?
> The familiar sentence is:
>
> "Quod licet Iovi, Non licet bovi."
>
> Would you like to try your hand
> at what declensions are used in this sentence?

No. That's beyond my capability.

> --
> Evertjan.
> The Netherlands.
> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

Thank-you Evertjan for catching my error. As you can see the link has it correct. Mine was a typo.

In the following link someone speculates the bovine refers to "Ox-Eyed Hera".

http://audiolatinproverbs.blogspot.com/2006/09/quod-licet-iovi-non-licet-bovi.html

[Ed Cryer]

David Amicus wrote:
> I never knew this expression before until now. I like it!
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_licet_Iovi,_non_licet_bovi
>

On the basis of;
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
Quod licet Jovi, id licet Junoni.
What's the Latin for "gander"?
Quod licet anseri, licet anserae?

Ed

[Evertjan.]

Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:

> Quod licet anseri, licet anserae?

My primordial logic translates:

"If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions".

[Evertjan.]

David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

>> "Quod licet Iovi, Non licet bovi."
>>
>> Would you like to try your hand
>> at what declensions are used in this sentence?
>
> No. That's beyond my capability.

I don't believe that.

'trying your hand' does not require correctness,
but, augmented by the discussion that could follow,
helps your and maybe our learning.

>> --
>> Evertjan.
>> The Netherlands.
>> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

Any reason why you, again, quote the signature, Davide?

[David Amicus]

Too lazy. I would have had manually to erase it.

[Ed Cryer]

Evertjan. wrote:
> Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:
>
>> Quod licet anseri, licet anserae?
>
> My primordial logic translates:
>
> "If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions".
>

Your primordial logic seems to require some prescience.

Ed

[Evertjan.]

David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

>> Any reason why you, again, quote the signature, Davide?
>>
>> --
>> Evertjan.
>> The Netherlands.
>> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
>
> Too lazy. I would have had manually to erase it.

Rather impolite,
please hold to the Netiquette or be flamed!

<http://www.albion.com/bookNetiquette/0963702513p71.html>

<http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule7.html>

> I would have had manually to erase it.

Not quite, just avail yourself to any decent news-reader!

[Evertjan.]

That is just the point,
there is no predictive logic in polyglottic primordiality.

[David Amicus]

I'm sorry but there are some groups where I'm criticized for leaving too much and others because I don't leave enough.

Only way I know to eliminate is by using the backspace button. And sometimes it gets tiring.

[Evertjan.]

David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

>> > I would have had manually to erase it.
>>
>> Not quite, just avail yourself to any decent news-reader!
>>
>> --
>> Evertjan.
>> The Netherlands.
>> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
>
> I'm sorry but there are some groups where I'm criticized for leaving too
> much and others because I don't leave enough.

It is damn well impolite tiring the others of the group by ignoring
Netiquette where it is pointed out to you by logic and example that it is
convenient.

You yourself getting tired is a good thing, as you then can look back to a
job well done. Reading your inapropriate parts is not.

Then your getting tired will be wholesome to the group.

> Only way I know to eliminate is by using the backspace button. And
> sometimes it gets tiring.

You must be an absulute novice on a computer,
never heared of selecting by the mouse and pressing "delete"?

================

Now can we get back to the declensions of
"Quod Licet Iovi, Non Licet Bovi"?

How else would you understand the above sentence?

Or do you believe translations by others
count as good-enough interpretations?

[Ed Cryer]

Evertjan. wrote:
> Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in
> alt.language.latin:
>
>> Evertjan. wrote:
>>> Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 06 Jul 2016 in
>>> alt.language.latin:
>>>
>>>> Quod licet anseri, licet anserae?
>>>
>>> My primordial logic translates:
>>>
>>> "If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions".
>>>
>>
>> Your primordial logic seems to require some prescience.
>
> That is just the point,
> there is no predictive logic in polyglottic primordiality.
>

Gobbledegook is gobbledegook
At least 'tis so within my book.

I can't use the common English expression "It's all Greek to me" because
I can read Plato in Greek. So I'll stand by another one; double Dutch.
Let's go Dutch on some Dutch courage.

Ah, ah. Do the Dutch have sayings like that about the English?

Ed

[Evertjan.]

Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

> Evertjan. wrote:
[..]

>> That is just the point,
>> there is no predictive logic in polyglottic primordiality.
>>
>
> Gobbledegook is gobbledegook
> At least 'tis so within my book.
>
> I can't use the common English expression "It's all Greek to me" because
> I can read Plato in Greek. So I'll stand by another one; double Dutch.
> Let's go Dutch on some Dutch courage.
>
> Ah, ah. Do the Dutch have sayings like that about the English?

You must have a problem with yourself somewhere,
some form of autobrexititis nervosa?

[David Amicus]

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 2:43:28 AM UTC-7, Evertjan. wrote:
> David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
> alt.language.latin:
>
> >> > I would have had manually to erase it.
> >>
> >> Not quite, just avail yourself to any decent news-reader!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Evertjan.
> >> The Netherlands.
> >> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
> >
> > I'm sorry but there are some groups where I'm criticized for leaving too
> > much and others because I don't leave enough.
>
> It is damn well impolite tiring the others of the group by ignoring
> Netiquette where it is pointed out to you by logic and example that it is
> convenient.
>
> You yourself getting tired is a good thing, as you then can look back to a
> job well done. Reading your inapropriate parts is not.
>
> Then your getting tired will be wholesome to the group.
>
> > Only way I know to eliminate is by using the backspace button. And
> > sometimes it gets tiring.
>
> You must be an absulute novice on a computer,
> never heared of selecting by the mouse and pressing "delete"?

I don't have a mouse

[John W Kennedy]

On 2016-07-07 15:10:57 +0000, David Amicus said:

> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 2:43:28 AM UTC-7, Evertjan. wrote:
>> David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
>> alt.language.latin:
>>
>>>>> I would have had manually to erase it.
>>>>
>>>> Not quite, just avail yourself to any decent news-reader!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Evertjan.
>>>> The Netherlands.
>>>> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but there are some groups where I'm criticized for leaving too
>>> much and others because I don't leave enough.
>>
>> It is damn well impolite tiring the others of the group by ignoring
>> Netiquette where it is pointed out to you by logic and example that it is
>> convenient.
>>
>> You yourself getting tired is a good thing, as you then can look back to a
>> job well done. Reading your inapropriate parts is not.
>>
>> Then your getting tired will be wholesome to the group.
>>
>>> Only way I know to eliminate is by using the backspace button. And
>>> sometimes it gets tiring.
>>
>> You must be an absulute novice on a computer,
>> never heared of selecting by the mouse and pressing "delete"?
>
>
> I don't have a mouse

If you mean by that that you have a touchpad, trackball, touchscreen,
stylus, etc., in place of a mouse, stop arguing like a four-year-old.

If, on the other hand, you mean that you're using a mouthstick, eye
tracker, etc., just say so and stop being so passive-aggressive.

>> ================
>>
>> Now can we get back to the declensions of
>> "Quod Licet Iovi, Non Licet Bovi"?
>>
>> How else would you understand the above sentence?
>>
>> Or do you believe translations by others
>> count as good-enough interpretations?
>>
>> --
>> Evertjan.
>> The Netherlands.
>> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

--
John W Kennedy
"Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne
of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts"
-- J. Michael Straczynski. "Babylon 5", "Ceremonies of Light and Dark"

[Evertjan.]

David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

>> You must be an absulute novice on a computer,
>> never heared of selecting by the mouse and pressing "delete"?
>
>
> I don't have a mouse
>

A dog, perhaps?
Or a finger?

[Ed Cryer]

Evertjan. wrote:
> Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
> alt.language.latin:
>
>> Evertjan. wrote:
> [..]
>>> That is just the point,
>>> there is no predictive logic in polyglottic primordiality.
>>>
>>
>> Gobbledegook is gobbledegook
>> At least 'tis so within my book.
>>
>> I can't use the common English expression "It's all Greek to me" because
>> I can read Plato in Greek. So I'll stand by another one; double Dutch.
>> Let's go Dutch on some Dutch courage.
>>
>> Ah, ah. Do the Dutch have sayings like that about the English?
>
> You must have a problem with yourself somewhere,
> some form of autobrexititis nervosa?
>

I apologise for what our democracy has done. Silly buggers.
Little-Englanders.
Not me, brother. I voted to stay.
I find it hard to believe the result of that referendum.

Ed

[Evertjan.]

Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

>> You must have a problem with yourself somewhere,
>> some form of autobrexititis nervosa?
>
> I apologise for what our democracy has done. Silly buggers.
> Little-Englanders.
> Not me, brother. I voted to stay.
> I find it hard to believe the result of that referendum.

Good for you.

I was not allowed to vote, having left Britain more than 15 years ago.

But I did sign the petition, that is now nearly forgotten.

[David Amicus]

If I could have voted I would have voted to leave.

[Evertjan.]

David Amicus <davida...@gmail.com> wrote on 08 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 1:52:13 PM UTC-7, Evertjan. wrote:
>> Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 07 Jul 2016 in
>> alt.language.latin:
>>

[..]

>> >
>> > I apologise for what our democracy has done. Silly buggers.
>> > Little-Englanders.
>> > Not me, brother. I voted to stay.
>> > I find it hard to believe the result of that referendum.
>>
>> Good for you.
>>
>> I was not allowed to vote, having left Britain more than 15 years ago.
>>
>> But I did sign the petition, that is now nearly forgotten.
>>
>> --
>> Evertjan.
>> The Netherlands.
>> (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

How impolite to keep quoting signatures!

Remember all of us have to read, what you could have deleted in one swipe.

> If I could have voted I would have voted to leave.

Well, you should not be allowed to vote, your laziness in declension and
Netiquette makes that inadmissable.

[Evertjan.]

Amicus wrote on 08 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:

>> If I could have voted I would have voted to leave.

Per melius intelligere subtilitatibus brexitillitatis:

<https://youtu.be/daB7np-RtOM>

[David Amicus]

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 3:07:56 AM UTC-7, Evertjan. wrote:
> Amicus wrote on 08 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:
>
> >> If I could have voted I would have voted to leave.
>
> Per melius intelligere subtilitatibus brexitillitatis:
>
> <https://youtu.be/daB7np-RtOM>

That is so funny! Thank-you! ;-))))

[Ed Cryer]

Evertjan. wrote:
> Amicus wrote on 08 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:
>
>>> If I could have voted I would have voted to leave.
>
> Per melius intelligere subtilitatibus brexitillitatis:
>
> <https://youtu.be/daB7np-RtOM>
>

Brilliant! God help us, for we can't help ourselves, appparently.

Ed

P.S. I'm wondering how long the Channel Tunnel can survive. Probably no
longer than it takes for Nicola Sturgeon to get Scotland out of the
Union, and for the border posts to be set up again between N. Ireland
and Eire.

By which time how many other nationalist parties throughout the EU will
have won enough support to follow ex-brex-UK.

[David Amicus]

Is there a FREE MERCIA movement?

[Ed Cryer]

"I remember in the glory days of the British Empire the Brits never
backed down or apologized.
Any time a British subject was under threat somewhere Mater Britannia
would come to the rescue! Gunboat diplomacy!"

forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.
(Vergil)

Ed

[Evertjan.]

Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 08 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:

> "I remember in the glory days of the British Empire the Brits never
> backed down or apologized.
> Any time a British subject was under threat somewhere Mater Britannia
> would come to the rescue! Gunboat diplomacy!"
>
> forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.
> (Vergil)

Fortasse requeris quare it faciam?

[Ed Cryer]

Evertjan. wrote:
> Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 08 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:
>
>> "I remember in the glory days of the British Empire the Brits never
>> backed down or apologized.
>> Any time a British subject was under threat somewhere Mater Britannia
>> would come to the rescue! Gunboat diplomacy!"
>>
>> forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.
>> (Vergil)
>
> Fortasse requeris quare it faciam?
>

"homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto"

"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes
me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know
for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

Ed

[B. T. Raven]

I don't have time to look at youtube, only to remark on the inanity of a
nonce word like 'brexitillitas.' It's enough to make Aristophanes' Frogs
barf. Too much is being made of the British desertion of Europe. In 3
years it will seem as apocalyptic as the Y 2 K glitch.

Eduardus

[Evertjan.]

"B. T. Raven" <btr...@nihilo.net> wrote on 10 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

> On 7/8/2016 12:48, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Evertjan. wrote:
>>> Amicus wrote on 08 Jul 2016 in alt.language.latin:
>>>
>>>>> If I could have voted I would have voted to leave.
>>>
>>> Per melius intelligere subtilitatibus brexitillitatis:
>>>
>>> <https://youtu.be/daB7np-RtOM>
>>>
>>
>> Brilliant! God help us, for we can't help ourselves, appparently.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> P.S. I'm wondering how long the Channel Tunnel can survive. Probably no
>> longer than it takes for Nicola Sturgeon to get Scotland out of the
>> Union, and for the border posts to be set up again between N. Ireland
>> and Eire.
>>
>> By which time how many other nationalist parties throughout the EU will
>> have won enough support to follow ex-brex-UK.
>
> I don't have time to look at youtube,

Stop such silly excuses an have some LOL,
your time is your own,
so it is not the time but the convolutionitis of your mind-set.

> only to remark on the inanity of a
> nonce

nonce? [that must be an inane ordinal number?]

If you had taken your time and not succumbed to autotemporitis nervosa,
would you have incerted -sen- ?

Oh tempora, oh mores!

> word like 'brexitillitas.' It's enough to make Aristophanes' Frogs
> barf. Too much is being made of the British desertion of Europe. In 3
> years it will seem as apocalyptic as the Y 2 K glitch.
>
> Eduardus
>

[Ed Cryer]

You're getting to sound like an idiot, Evertjan.
You make words up in any language, invent rules for reason and logic
that no one else knows, employ various degrees and shades of BS in
dialogues, treat everything as trivial, and when you do use acceptable
Latin (as in your recent "sustine te ipse") it's used in a conversation
where you appear to be recommending cutting yourself off from everything
around you.

I know this is Usenet and we favour free speech, but you're getting to
the point where I won't be talking to you much longer if things don't
change.

Ed

[John W Kennedy]

Y2K was resolved by the hard work of professionals over a period of 30
years, who had the advantage of a clearly defined problem. (It first
bit in the early 70s, when mainframe tapes that were supposed to be
kept forever were suddenly being directed to recycling, because
2000-01-01 was 9999 days in the future; in the event, of course, by
2000-01-01, traditional 2400-foot reels were obsolete, anyway.) Brexit
is certainly not that well defined; if it actually happens, the results
may take the hindsight of a hundred years -- or a thousand -- to
understand.

--
John W Kennedy
"You can, if you wish, class all science-fiction together; but it is
about as perceptive as classing the works of Ballantyne, Conrad and W.
W. Jacobs together as the 'sea-story' and then criticizing _that_."
-- C. S. Lewis. "An Experiment in Criticism"

[Evertjan.]

Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 10 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

> You're getting to sound like an idiot, Evertjan.

Dear Ed,

Why do you [again and again now] refrain from attacking the
idea, and attack the person instead?

If we are discussing ideas,
it is a good thing to question those ideas.

Ideas should never be hold as holy, dogmatic or respectable.

Do you really think going ad hominem will convince others
that an idea is unsound?

Methinks it is maybe also hatefull and demeaning,
but certainly silly and unpractical.

[Ed Cryer]

Evertjan. wrote:
> Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 10 Jul 2016 in
> alt.language.latin:
>
>> You're getting to sound like an idiot, Evertjan.
>
> Dear Ed,
>
> Why do you [again and again now] refrain from attacking the
> idea, and attack the person instead?
>
> If we are discussing ideas,
> it is a good thing to question those ideas.
>
> Ideas should never be hold as holy, dogmatic or respectable.
>
> Do you really think going ad hominem will convince others
> that an idea is unsound?
>
> Methinks it is maybe also hatefull and demeaning,
> but certainly silly and unpractical.
>

From now on I point out your bad Latin and illogicalities. I won't
engage in discussion with you until those change.

Ed

[Evertjan.]

Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote on 10 Jul 2016 in
alt.language.latin:

> From now on I point out your bad Latin and illogicalities.

> I won't engage in discussion with you until those change.

What do you mean by "those"?
That I hold up to your professed standards of quality?

What is the point of a discussion if we agree beforehand?
How do you know you are right beforehand?

Do you really think that playing ad hominem is the way to have a reasonable
discussion?

I would at least have expected both an apology for your ad-hominem approach,
and a professed joy at discussion about ideas.

[Jacob Stewart]

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>
>>>> I would have had manually to erase it.
>>>
>>> Not quite, just avail yourself to any decent news-reader!

Why dostn't thou* just point him to one instead of being annoying
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* Getting into this habit is probably best to learn any language which
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[Jacob Stewart]

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