ALK: Philippine Biography, Vol. 2
MR VALENTIN L SIBAL
Luid Cong Marc,
Balu mu nung makananu neng ikua Jose
ing apelidu nang Rizal? Pelidu yang Muslim
ine o reng Malay at Indian mu?
Val
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By Austin Craig:
"Genealogy of the Philippine Imperial Family"
"Members of the Manila Royal Family Omitted from the Balagtas Will"
"Quotations Justifying Divergence from Popular View of Manila's
Tagalog
Kings"
Also several paragraphs discussing Rizal's genealogy, which includes
Kapampangans
Marc
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Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid Mike, Cabalen,
Below are the Kapampangans in Volume 2 of the Dictionary of Philippine
Biography by E.A. Manuel:
Galang, Ricardo E. (26 Sep 1892-29 Nov 1960), anthropologist, was born
in Apalit, Pampanga. Works include: Ethnographic Study of the Pampangos
(1940); Types of Watercraft in the Philippines (1941); Filing and
Blackening of Teeth Among Some Philippine Ethnic Groups (1941); Mat
Weaving in Apalit and Vicinity )1953).
Makabulos, Francisco S. (17 Sep 1871-30 Apr 1922), Revolutionary
general, born in La Paz, Tarlac.
Natividad, Mamerto (3 Dec 1871-9 Nov 1897), Revolutionary general, born
in Bacolor, Pampanga.
Tolentino, Aurelio (13 Oct 1867-5 Jul 1915), dramatist, novelist, poet
in Tagalog, Pampango and Spanish, patriot, born in Santo Cristo, Guagua.
Here are some other items from Volume 2:
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Marc,
A-meet ku ne i Ricardo Galang iniang Fiesta Apalit 1996. Sinabi ku
magdatun keng papasialan oneng e naku mika-oras at ala kung kasaup munta
karin.... Ot e taya puntalan misan? Balu^ mung iniang guerrang Hapon
pepadala ne ning America via submarine keti para mag-organise guerilla
movement? Dapot babaual neng sumulat memoirs ning department of defense.
Deng ngan asulat na na me-confiscate la. Every now and then papasialan de
pa mu rin kanung Kanu^ at che-check do reng taung pakisabian na.
E ku balung sinulat ya palang ethnography tamu ampong mat weaving...
Ka-rival ne kasi i Doctor Catacutan...karin naman ini ing taung
mag-masigla^...at uling sigurung makabante ya i Apung Carding kareng ninu
ninu man bibisita kaya, nung nanung isulat ampong sabian na inia e ne rugu^
mekapag-masigla mu naman ing tau dikil kng cultura tamu. Sabi na kanita,
kaibat ning retirement na mig-mula yang sinulat history na ning Apalit
ampong Kapampangan...oneng deni me-confiscate la naman...inia milako ne
dugu^ gana...inia^ ngan...yaku na kanung sumulat at pasialan ku
nemu^...oneng e naku mika-oras...
O nanu Cong Marc, Kapilan ta ya istorbuan?
Mike
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Marc,
Kapampangan ya naman i Mamerto Natividad. I ima na anak de reng
Alejandrino...ua a-come across ku ne lagyu ketang memoirs nang Jose
Alejandrino...
Taksiapu na...Abasa^ mu no reng "Filipinos in History" a renelease ning NHI
Cong Marc? Lalako da la panga-Kapampangan deng Kapampangan karin...and to
think na Kapampangan ya ing pamuntuk ning NHI iniang me-publish la reni...i
Serafin Quiason. Throughout kareng History textbooks...i Mamerto Natividad
in-emphasise da na taga-Nueva Ecija ya. They were giving the impression na
ya Tagalug ya...lalu na uling kayabe ya kng faction nang Aguinaldo...
I Panday Pira lalako de mu rin panga-Kapampangan ketang librung misulat.
Pati na i Nicanor Abelardo at i Jesus Balmori. I Jesus Balmori based
ketang abasa^ kung biography na in Spanish kng Cebu metung yang mestizo
Catalan a mibayit Bacolor...Kapampangan ya ing mother na. Dapot pakilala
de kareng libru as the lyricist from Ermita. Siguru Castilla ne salita at
e na Kapampangan inia^ e ne qualified ne...kaya^?
Mayap pa i Mayor Alfredo Lim proud yang atin Kapampangan ancestry at
familiar ya pa ketang Will nang Fernando Malang Balagtas... Mig-take over
ya mu^ kanu kang Rajah Suliman ngana kanitang ininterview mi ya iniang 1995
kng palacio na Menila^.
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Marc,
>By Austin Craig:
>"Genealogy of the Philippine Imperial Family"
>"Members of the Manila Royal Family Omitted from the Balagtas Will"
>"Quotations Justifying Divergence from Popular View of Manila's Tagalog
>Kings"
>Also several paragraphs discussing Rizal's genealogy, which includes
>Kapampangans
No karin at kapilan ta la kaya^ apangalkal deni!?! Kakayut naku uaua^....
Mike
Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid Mike,
> A-meet ku ne i Ricardo Galang iniang Fiesta Apalit 1996. Sinabi ku
> magdatun keng papasialan oneng e naku mika-oras at ala kung kasaup munta
> karin.... Ot e taya puntalan misan?
Aliua ya sigurung Ricardo Galang yng amanuan mu. The Ricardo Galang mentioned
in Philippine Biography died in 1960.
> >Below are the Kapampangans in Volume 2 of the Dictionary of Philippine
> >Biography by E.A. Manuel:
> >
> >Galang, Ricardo E. (26 Sep 1892-29 Nov 1960), anthropologist, was born
> >in Apalit, Pampanga. Works include: Ethnographic Study of the Pampangos
> >(1940); Types of Watercraft in the Philippines (1941); Filing and
> >Blackening of Teeth Among Some Philippine Ethnic Groups (1941); Mat
> >Weaving in Apalit and Vicinity )1953).
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Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid Val,
> Balu mu nung makananu neng ikua Jose
> ing apelidu nang Rizal? Pelidu yang Muslim
> ine o reng Malay at Indian mu?
I'm afraid I don't know the answer the your questions. In Craig's
article, he doesn't discuss this either.
Marc
Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid ka Mike,
> Kapampangan ya naman i Mamerto Natividad. I ima na anak de reng
> Alejandrino...ua a-come across ku ne lagyu ketang memoirs nang Jose
> Alejandrino...
According to the book, his parents were Mamerto Natividad and Herbasia
Alejandro (is this a typo then?).
> Taksiapu na...Abasa^ mu no reng "Filipinos in History" a renelease ning NHI
> Cong Marc? Lalako da la panga-Kapampangan deng Kapampangan karin...and to
> think na Kapampangan ya ing pamuntuk ning NHI iniang me-publish la reni...i
> Serafin Quiason. Throughout kareng History textbooks...i Mamerto Natividad
> in-emphasise da na taga-Nueva Ecija ya. They were giving the impression na
> ya Tagalug ya...lalu na uling kayabe ya kng faction nang Aguinaldo...
Probably the reason why he is associated more with Nueva Ecija than with
Pampanga is his marriage to Trinidad Tinio, daughter of Don Casimiro Tinio, a
prominent proprietor and citizen of Nueva Ecija. Natividad and his wife farmed
in Likab, NE, and he apparently was in NE when the Revolution broke out.
> I Panday Pira lalako de mu rin panga-Kapampangan ketang librung misulat.
> Pati na i Nicanor Abelardo at i Jesus Balmori. I Jesus Balmori based
> ketang abasa^ kung biography na in Spanish kng Cebu metung yang mestizo
> Catalan a mibayit Bacolor...Kapampangan ya ing mother na. Dapot pakilala
> de kareng libru as the lyricist from Ermita. Siguru Castilla ne salita at
> e na Kapampangan inia^ e ne qualified ne...kaya^?
Wapin. I also came across two names that I struck from the list. The first one
was Pedro Buencamino, nephew of Felipe Buencamino, Sr. He was born in Abucay,
Bataan. The original family name of the Buencaminos said to be either
Magalingnadaan (which translates to good road) or Mangalindan. The Buencaminos
have always been associated with Pampanga, but in this case I don't think Pedro
qualifies because he left his place of birth at 13 and later in life he lived
in Manila.
Another one is Benito Valdes, physician and hospital director, who was born in
his father's Hacienda del Carmen, in Floridablanca, then a barrio of Lubao. But
his birth in Carmen is the only link to Pampanga; his water was a Spaniard from
Andalucia and his mother was a mestiza from Manila.
Thanks for reading.
Andro Camiling
Good day!
Adua la deng Ricardo Galang, mipisan lang alang pilatan.
Ing amanuan nang Mike yapin ya i Col. Ricardo Galang, World War
II hero and noted for his espionage activities for the Allied Forces
during World War II. He later became a graduate school dean.
Ing amanuan nang Marc, yapin i Ricardo Espiritu Galang a meging
professor and chairman of the Department of Anthropology at UP.
Kayabe neng researcher Otley Beyer. Atin yang kapatad ini yapin
i Dr. Remedios E. Galang, first woman councilor and first woman
medical practioner in Apalit. She co-founded two private schools
in Apalit and San Luis. Deng megaral king Pampanga High School
iniang '50s through the '70s may remember Mrs. Paciencia E. Galang-
Soriano, a teacher in Spanish, she was a sister of Ricardo E.
Galang and Dr. Remedios E. Galang. Mete nongan dening atlung mika-
kapatad a reni.
Andro
At 01:08 PM 11/20/98 +0800, Marco D. Nepomuceno wrote:
>Luid Mike,
>
> A-meet ku ne i Ricardo Galang iniang Fiesta Apalit 1996. Sinabi ku
> magdatun keng papasialan oneng e naku mika-oras at ala kung kasaup munta
> karin.... Ot e taya puntalan misan?
>Aliua ya sigurung Ricardo Galang yng amanuan mu. The Ricardo Galang mentioned
>in Philippine Biography died in 1960.
>
>Below are the Kapampangans in Volume 2 of the Dictionary of Philippine
>Biography by E.A. Manuel:
>
>Galang, Ricardo E. (26 Sep 1892-29 Nov 1960), anthropologist, was born
>in Apalit, Pampanga. Works include: Ethnographic Study of the Pampangos
>(1940); Types of Watercraft in the Philippines (1941); Filing and
>Blackening of Teeth Among Some Philippine Ethnic Groups (1941); Mat
>Weaving in Apalit and Vicinity )1953).
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Andro Camiling
Good day!
According to Austin Craig's Lineage "Life and Labors of Jose Rizal",
the full name of the hero is Jose Protasio Rizal Mercado y Alonzo Realonda.
He was the seventh child of Francisco Engracio Rizal Mercado Y Alejando and
his wife, Teodora Morales Alonzo Realonda y Quintos, born in Kalamba, June
19, 1861.
Jose was baptized when he was three days old. His godfather was Father Pedro
Casanas, a Filipino priest of a Kalamba family, and the priest who
christened him was also a Filipino, Father Rufino Collantes.
In essence, he dropped his surname Mercado which means Sangley in Chinese and
Merchant or Market in English when he went abroad for further studies. He did
this probably because of his family's problem with the Spanish authorities.
Just like Ninoy Aquino for political reasons, his name on his passport was
Marcial Bonifacio when he was returning to the Philippines who,
unfortunately was shot to death while getting off the airplane.
Andro
At 04:45 PM 11/20/98 +0800, Marco D. Nepomuceno wrote:
>Luid Val,
>
>> Balu mu nung makananu neng ikua Jose
>> ing apelidu nang Rizal? Pelidu yang Muslim
>> ine o reng Malay at Indian mu?
>
>I'm afraid I don't know the answer the your questions. In Craig's
>article, he doesn't discuss this either.
>
>Marc
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Andro Camiling
At 04:39 PM 11/20/98 +0800, Marco D. Nepomuceno wrote:
>Luid ka Mike,
> I Panday Pira lalako de mu rin panga-Kapampangan ketang librung misulat.
> Pati na i Nicanor Abelardo at i Jesus Balmori. I Jesus Balmori based
> ketang abasa^ kung biography na in Spanish kng Cebu metung yang mestizo
> Catalan a mibayit Bacolor...Kapampangan ya ing mother na. Dapot pakilala
> de kareng libru as the lyricist from Ermita. Siguru Castilla ne salita at
> e na Kapampangan inia^ e ne qualified ne...kaya^?
Panday Pira was born in southern Philippines (Mindanao) but settled in Apalit
with his family after the fall of Manila to the Spanish colonizers. However,
because of his skill in making connons (lantikas) he was hired by the
Spaniards
to manufacture cannons for them and moved his shop to Manila. When he died,
even
the King of Spain mourned his death because they could not find any
blacksmith with equivalent expertise as Panday Pira. Angga pa ngeni deng
tau Apalit kabalitan la keng pamangawang palang at barandilias.
>Wapin. I also came across two names that I struck from the list. The first
one
>was Pedro Buencamino, nephew of Felipe Buencamino, Sr. He was born in Abucay,
>Bataan. The original family name of the Buencaminos said to be either
>Magalingnadaan (which translates to good road) or Mangalindan. The
Buencaminos
>have always been associated with Pampanga, but in this case I don't think
Pedro
>qualifies because he left his place of birth at 13 and later in life he lived
>in Manila.
A son of Felipe Buencamino married a daughter of Don Joaquin Arnedo Cruz,
father
of Gov. Macario Arnedo. Anya rapin sasabi, deng makualta lalu lang
mikikualta uling
miayasawa la. Neng kai ilang mikakamaganak miayasawa la bangkanita ing
pibandian da
e misalbag.
>Another one is Benito Valdes, physician and hospital director, who was
born in
>his father's Hacienda del Carmen, in Floridablanca, then a barrio of
Lubao. But
>his birth in Carmen is the only link to Pampanga; his water was a Spaniard
from
>Andalucia and his mother was a mestiza from Manila.
A barrio in Floridablanca is named Valdez in honor perhaps to the owner of
the land.
>Thanks for reading.
Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid Mike,
> Luid Cong Marc,
>
> >By Austin Craig:
> >"Genealogy of the Philippine Imperial Family"
> >"Members of the Manila Royal Family Omitted from the Balagtas Will"
> >"Quotations Justifying Divergence from Popular View of Manila's Tagalog
> >Kings"
> >Also several paragraphs discussing Rizal's genealogy, which includes
> >Kapampangans
>
> No karin at kapilan ta la kaya^ apangalkal deni!?! Kakayut naku uaua^....
The articles about the Manila Royal family were all published in the
Philippine History Quarterly, I, No. 1 (September 1919). The one about
Rizal's
parentage was published in the Philippine Education Magazine in June
1928.
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Marc,
Typo yapin siguru, uling makasulat karin ing ima na Gervasia Alejandrino ya.
Itang Ricardo Galang naman a akasabi ku, Ricardo C. Galang ya a mibayit
January 22, 1907...according to Evangelina H. Lacson. Aliua ya pin siguru
itang atiu kng libru nang Arsenio Manuel...
Tungkul naman kareng Buencamino...dakal mangalindan a pelidu keti
kapampangan...pero e ku mu^ balu nung nanu ing kqabaldugan na nita... Ing
"magaling na daan" I think is a romanticised version...
Balamo itang "maglambayan" which means "eternal" geua deng "madlambayan" o
"the masses"...uling hip ya mo kanita (1930s) to belong to the masses...
Mike
At 16:39 20/11/98 +0800, Marco D. Nepomuceno wrote:
> < K a p a m p a n g a n >
>
>Luid ka Mike,
>
>> Kapampangan ya naman i Mamerto Natividad. I ima na anak de reng
>> Alejandrino...ua a-come across ku ne lagyu ketang memoirs nang Jose
>> Alejandrino...
>
>According to the book, his parents were Mamerto Natividad and Herbasia
>Alejandro (is this a typo then?).
>
>> Taksiapu na...Abasa^ mu no reng "Filipinos in History" a renelease ning NHI
>> Cong Marc? Lalako da la panga-Kapampangan deng Kapampangan karin...and to
>> think na Kapampangan ya ing pamuntuk ning NHI iniang me-publish la reni...i
>> Serafin Quiason. Throughout kareng History textbooks...i Mamerto Natividad
>> in-emphasise da na taga-Nueva Ecija ya. They were giving the impression na
>> ya Tagalug ya...lalu na uling kayabe ya kng faction nang Aguinaldo...
>
>Probably the reason why he is associated more with Nueva Ecija than with
>Pampanga is his marriage to Trinidad Tinio, daughter of Don Casimiro Tinio, a
>prominent proprietor and citizen of Nueva Ecija. Natividad and his wife
farmed
>in Likab, NE, and he apparently was in NE when the Revolution broke out.
>
>> I Panday Pira lalako de mu rin panga-Kapampangan ketang librung misulat.
>> Pati na i Nicanor Abelardo at i Jesus Balmori. I Jesus Balmori based
>> ketang abasa^ kung biography na in Spanish kng Cebu metung yang mestizo
>> Catalan a mibayit Bacolor...Kapampangan ya ing mother na. Dapot pakilala
>> de kareng libru as the lyricist from Ermita. Siguru Castilla ne salita at
>> e na Kapampangan inia^ e ne qualified ne...kaya^?
>
>Wapin. I also came across two names that I struck from the list. The first
one
>was Pedro Buencamino, nephew of Felipe Buencamino, Sr. He was born in Abucay,
>Bataan. The original family name of the Buencaminos said to be either
>Magalingnadaan (which translates to good road) or Mangalindan. The
Buencaminos
>have always been associated with Pampanga, but in this case I don't think
Pedro
>qualifies because he left his place of birth at 13 and later in life he lived
>in Manila.
>
>Another one is Benito Valdes, physician and hospital director, who was
born in
>his father's Hacienda del Carmen, in Floridablanca, then a barrio of
Lubao. But
>his birth in Carmen is the only link to Pampanga; his water was a Spaniard
from
>Andalucia and his mother was a mestiza from Manila.
>
>Thanks for reading.
Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid Mike,
> Typo yapin siguru, uling makasulat karin ing ima na Gervasia Alejandrino ya.
Okay. I will make a note of that.
> Tungkul naman kareng Buencamino...dakal mangalindan a pelidu keti
> kapampangan...pero e ku mu^ balu nung nanu ing kqabaldugan na nita... Ing
> "magaling na daan" I think is a romanticised version...
Wapin.
> Balamo itang "maglambayan" which means "eternal" geua deng "madlambayan" o
> "the masses"...uling hip ya mo kanita (1930s) to belong to the masses...
I didn't know that. Thanks.
Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid C. Andro,
> Panday Pira was born in southern Philippines (Mindanao) but settled in Apalit
> with his family after the fall of Manila to the Spanish colonizers.
So, was he in Manila when it fell in 1570?
> However, because of his skill in making connons (lantikas) he was hired by the
> Spaniards to manufacture cannons for them and moved his shop to Manila.
He moved his shop back to Manila?
> When he died, even the King of Spain mourned his death because they could not
> find any
> blacksmith with equivalent expertise as Panday Pira. Angga pa ngeni deng
> tau Apalit kabalitan la keng pamangawang palang at barandilias.
I wonder Panday Pira deserves credit for starting the blacksmithing industry in
Apalit, or it had already existed before he went there, but he was just the best.
There is very sketchy information about Panday Pira, but I would like to call your
attention to the following passages from W.H. Scott's "Barangay":
The Manila fort contained a gun foundry where the Spaniards found evidence of
considerable industry after it was burned in 1570--clay and wax moulds and one
4-meter piece in the process of manufacture. They took twelve damaged pieces to
Panay, ten of bronze and two of iron, and recovered six from the river there they
had been thrown to avoid capture, which were sent to Spain. The quantity and
quality of Manila ordinance is indicated by Governor Sande's collecting 18,000
kilos of bronze artillery from towns surrounding Manila, and his employment of
Filipinos to cast him a 4,000-kilo cannon of which he reported, "There is not in
the castle of Milan a piece so well made." Fortunately, one example of Filipino
workmanship has survived: it is a swivel gun (lantaka) in the Museu Militar in
Lisbon.
Question: Was this necessarily Panday Pira's foundry?
Thanks for reading
Marc
Than
>
>
> >Wapin. I also came across two names that I struck from the list. The first
> one
> >was Pedro Buencamino, nephew of Felipe Buencamino, Sr. He was born in Abucay,
> >Bataan. The original family name of the Buencaminos said to be either
> >Magalingnadaan (which translates to good road) or Mangalindan. The
> Buencaminos
> >have always been associated with Pampanga, but in this case I don't think
> Pedro
> >qualifies because he left his place of birth at 13 and later in life he lived
> >in Manila.
>
> A son of Felipe Buencamino married a daughter of Don Joaquin Arnedo Cruz,
> father
> of Gov. Macario Arnedo. Anya rapin sasabi, deng makualta lalu lang
> mikikualta uling
> miayasawa la. Neng kai ilang mikakamaganak miayasawa la bangkanita ing
> pibandian da
> e misalbag.
>
> >Another one is Benito Valdes, physician and hospital director, who was
> born in
> >his father's Hacienda del Carmen, in Floridablanca, then a barrio of
> Lubao. But
> >his birth in Carmen is the only link to Pampanga; his water was a Spaniard
> from
> >Andalucia and his mother was a mestiza from Manila.
>
> A barrio in Floridablanca is named Valdez in honor perhaps to the owner of
> the land.
>
> >Thanks for reading.
> >
Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid Gilbuco,
You are obviously signed up with the Kapampangan List which is why
you've also been gettting my email to Mike which I send through the
list. I guess you're not familiar with how a mailing list works. Even if
the email is not directly addressed to you, being part of the mailing
list gives you the opportunity to "listen in", sort of, on the
"conversation" between or among members, thus affording you the chance
to participate should you so care. If you don't appreciate receiving
mail that does not begin with "Luid Gil" or "Hi Gil", in other words,
directly addressed to you, I suggest you reconsider your membership in
the K-list.
Marc
GIL...@aol.com wrote:
> I'm not Mike, Please stop sending me E-mail
>
> Thanks
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Andro,
Sinulat mu:
>Panday Pira was born in southern Philippines (Mindanao) but settled in Apalit
>with his family after the fall of Manila to the Spanish colonizers. However,
>because of his skill in making connons (lantikas) he was hired by the
>Spaniards
>to manufacture cannons for them and moved his shop to Manila. When he died,
>even
>the King of Spain mourned his death because they could not find any
>blacksmith with equivalent expertise as Panday Pira. Angga pa ngeni deng
>tau Apalit kabalitan la keng pamangawang palang at barandilias.
Nanu la reng sources a sasabing i Panday Pira ibat ya specifically
Mindanao? Personally, ala^ kung tatandanan. Ni kareng sinulat da ri
Goiti, Legaspi, o Plasencia mu man ala^ kung tatandanang kareng sinulat da
na i Panday Pira tau ya Mindanao... I could have overlooked them...
Saupan mu ku keni Cong Andro... Insanu reng primary sources?
Metung pa:
Ngara reng bapa kung Galura^, reng suli^ nang Panday Pira Apalit yapin deng
sapni ding Lingat...e ku rin balu^ nung atin lang aliua^ng source liuas kng
oral history...
Mike
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Andro,
Dakal salamat kng info mung ini...
Lauan yu na ne, ing e na agyu ning libru kapnuan na mismu ning tau. E
balang misulat completu. Nasa^ makapulut la reng kayanakan tamung magaral
kng experience a ini... lalu^ na rugu^ reng me-train maging
bookish...panga yaku ing mikabit DECS alilan ku ing systemang ita...
Dakal salamat pasibayu Cong Andro.
Mike
At 09:22 20/11/98 -0800, Andro Camiling wrote:
> < K a p a m p a n g a n >
>
Dennis M Pacia
On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:03:46 -0800 Andro Camiling
<cami...@almaak.usc.edu> writes:
>In essence, he dropped his surname Mercado which means Sangley in
>Chinese and Merchant or Market in English when he went abroad for
further studies.
>He did this probably because of his family's problem with the Spanish
>authorities. Just like Ninoy Aquino for political reasons, his name on
his passport
>was Marcial Bonifacio when he was returning to the Philippines who,
>unfortunately was shot to death while getting off the airplane.
Cong Andro,
At the time Rizal was about to enter college he changed his surname from
Mercado to Rizal (ricial meaning "green pasture" for they were farmers
too) for fear of government arrest; because his older brother Paciano was
indirectly involved in the Cavite mutiny which led to the execution of
the Filipino priests-"Gomburza." Jose was the only family member who
carried the lastname "Rizal."
Dennis
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Good day, Dennis!
Thanks for the information, I will make a note of this.
I thought Jose's brother, Paciano used Rizal as his last
name too when he joined the Revolution and became a general.
According to a book I read that before the execution of Jose
Rizal, General Santiago Alvarez planned to infiltrate Intramuros
and rescue Jose Rizal at a given signal, but Paciano vetoed the
plan and he said "My brother is willing to be rescued provided
only if his life is at stake - but not if other patriots' lives
would thereby be sacrificed".
What do you think of the above statement?
Andro
At 02:44 AM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Cong Andro,
>
>At the time Rizal was about to enter college he changed his surname from
>Mercado to Rizal (ricial meaning "green pasture" for they were farmers
>too) for fear of government arrest; because his older brother Paciano was
>indirectly involved in the Cavite mutiny which led to the execution of
>the Filipino priests-"Gomburza." Jose was the only family member who
>carried the lastname "Rizal."
>
>Dennis
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Andro Camiling
Luid Mike,
Alang nanu naman. BTW, if you know Col. Ricardo Galang, you
may as well get in touch with him ASAP to get more information
Galang, I will ask his nephew, Dr. Manuel G. Soriano, Jr. if
he could find some of his uncle's books.
Andro
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At 11:26 PM 11/21/98 +0800, you wrote:
>Luid Cong Andro,
>Sinulat mu:
>Nanu la reng sources a sasabing i Panday Pira ibat ya specifically
>Mindanao? Personally, ala^ kung tatandanan. Ni kareng sinulat da ri
>Goiti, Legaspi, o Plasencia mu man ala^ kung tatandanang kareng sinulat da
>na i Panday Pira tau ya Mindanao... I could have overlooked them...
>
>Saupan mu ku keni Cong Andro... Insanu reng primary sources?
I will check again the list of books I read so far. Neng kasing dakal
no reng librung babasan, midyu misamut-samut ing belwan.
>Metung pa:
>
>Ngara reng bapa kung Galura^, reng suli^ nang Panday Pira Apalit yapin deng
>sapni ding Lingat...e ku rin balu^ nung atin lang aliua^ng source liuas kng
>oral history...
Eko balu deng lahi nang Panday Pira. Pero ustung migka panaun ku manialupsupan
ku.
O sige,
Andro
Dennis M Pacia
Cong Andro,
>According to a book I read that before the execution of Jose
>Rizal, General Santiago Alvarez planned to infiltrate Intramuros
>and rescue Jose Rizal at a given signal, but Paciano vetoed the
>plan and he said "My brother is willing to be rescued provided
>only if his life is at stake - but not if other patriots' lives
>would thereby be sacrificed".
>
>What do you think of the above statement?
>
Very selfish! I guess psychologically that is what a hero mentality is
all about. Glory, glory, glory...
Hey, is this a trap or what? I don't want any trouble. I had enough of
it. :) :) BTW Cong Felia's eldest son "Freddy" is here to attend a
seminar for two months. He is a district manager of Petron Oil Corp. in
Bataan. Cong Felia sons are all successful in life, as a father I think
he did quite good. I told him about you and he says the name rings a
bell but anyway he will be in CA to meet his sisters in about a week.
You can call Efren if you would like to meet with him, he is a fine
gentleman. He came over to visit the family, he and my brother Ron were
childhood friends.
Best Regards,
Dennis
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:53:41 -0800 Andro Camiling
<cami...@almaak.usc.edu> writes:
> < K a p a m p a n g a n >
>
>Luid Mike,
>
>Alang nanu naman. BTW, if you know Col. Ricardo Galang, you
>may as well get in touch with him ASAP to get more information
>from him before it's too late. In the case of Dr. Ricardo E.
>Galang, I will ask his nephew, Dr. Manuel G. Soriano, Jr. if
>he could find some of his uncle's books.
>
>Andro
>
Luid Kabalen,
Mawalang galang na po, I met a certain Rey Galang in the US who is an
excellent martial artist. He founded an Arnis style which he calls the
Hagibis system. He is also a blackbelt in Aikido. From what he told me
his family was originally from Apalit but they moved to Manila at an
early age, as a result he somehow lost the ability to speak the dialect.
A friend of mine introduced me to him because I was at that time
interested in finding the roots of a certain Arnis grandmaster named
"Placido Yambao". Placido is the 1st Filipino to reveal this Pinoy
martial art when he wrote and published the 1st book on this style in the
'30s. I was amazed that this man's book is considered a rarity and a
bible in this art. My curioisity aroused from the fact that his lastname
is Yambao not withstanding the fact that I have Yambao relatives but also
the Yambaos in Macabebe are so numerous. When I met Rey he told me that
he is currently translating Yambao's book in English due to popular
demand and it is scheduled to be published soon in the US. He did
confirm that Yambao is from Pampanga but which town he does not know.
Maybe it is time to include this man among the famous Kapampangans in the
KHP Kapampangan Hall of Fame.
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Andro,
Sana pin alugalan mi ya. Ing problema ku so far yapin ing papunta karin...
Mike
At 13:53 23/11/98 -0800, Andro Camiling wrote:
> < K a p a m p a n g a n >
>
>Luid Mike,
>
>Alang nanu naman. BTW, if you know Col. Ricardo Galang, you
>may as well get in touch with him ASAP to get more information
>from him before it's too late. In the case of Dr. Ricardo E.
>Galang, I will ask his nephew, Dr. Manuel G. Soriano, Jr. if
>he could find some of his uncle's books.
>
>Andro
>
>At 11:26 PM 11/21/98 +0800, you wrote:
>
>>Luid Cong Andro,
>>
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Dennis,
Ing lagyung Yambao maikiklala yang tutu keti mung Macabebe-Masantul.
Kalabas ning panaun, mika Yambao na mu rin Minalin ampong Apalit, kaibat
Uaua, Lubao ampong Florida.... Dapot deng pipunpunan da reti tantung
Macabebe-Masantul la mu rin ibat.
Masanting ya ing digdag mung kabaluan. Nu na ngan miras ing research mu
kng Daklat ding Bayani (The Martial Way)? Kng insanung amanu ya minunang
misulat ing libru nang Placido Yambao?
Balu mu kanitang kabalitan la reng Kapampangan kng kalis (arnis)? Nung
abasa mu ne itang The Aquinos of Tarlac nang Nick Joaquin, deng anak nang
dalagang Servillano Aquino mangagaling la ngan kaniti...
Ngeni rugu^ ot bala mo mekad ala^ nang Kapampangan a biasa kaniti?
Pilalung itang ausan tamung terak a Talibung e ta ne rin balu^ ngeni...
Sayang.
O sige na pa^ Cong Dennis... mesakit ku atian kng pengan kung single
begukan a maki manggang bubut, piritung sebulan a ebun, dakal a bauang at
sibuyas, ampong dinunut a larang inanis....
Mike
>Luid Kabalen,
>
>Mawalang galang na po, I met a certain Rey Galang in the US who is an
>excellent martial artist. He founded an Arnis style which he calls the
>Hagibis system. He is also a blackbelt in Aikido. From what he told me
>his family was originally from Apalit but they moved to Manila at an
>early age, as a result he somehow lost the ability to speak the dialect.
>A friend of mine introduced me to him because I was at that time
>interested in finding the roots of a certain Arnis grandmaster named
>"Placido Yambao". Placido is the 1st Filipino to reveal this Pinoy
>martial art when he wrote and published the 1st book on this style in the
>'30s. I was amazed that this man's book is considered a rarity and a
>bible in this art. My curioisity aroused from the fact that his lastname
>is Yambao not withstanding the fact that I have Yambao relatives but also
>the Yambaos in Macabebe are so numerous. When I met Rey he told me that
>he is currently translating Yambao's book in English due to popular
>demand and it is scheduled to be published soon in the US. He did
>confirm that Yambao is from Pampanga but which town he does not know.
>Maybe it is time to include this man among the famous Kapampangans in the
>KHP Kapampangan Hall of Fame.
>
>Dennis
>
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Luid Mike,
siuala ding meangubie wrote:
> Ing lagyung Yambao maikiklala yang tutu keti mung Macabebe-Masantul.
> Kalabas ning panaun, mika Yambao na mu rin Minalin ampong Apalit, kaibat
> Uaua, Lubao ampong Florida.... Dapot deng pipunpunan da reti tantung
> Macabebe-Masantul la mu rin ibat.
Sasabian nang Paul Aquino (brother of Ninoy) na yny Yambao short form ne mu
kanu ning Quiambao, at sasabian na pa na reng Quiambao-Yambao are descended
had already been able to establish families in Pangasinan.
> Nung abasa mu ne itang The Aquinos of Tarlac nang Nick Joaquin, deng anak
> nang
> dalagang Servillano Aquino mangagaling la ngan kaniti...
Just a little correction here, Mike. General Aquino had only one daughter
(born in 1905), in the person of Fortunata Aquino, who certainly was not an
escrimadora. It was General Aquino's first two wives (Guadalupe and Petronila
Quiambao, sisters) and their father who were excellent escrimadores.
> Ngeni rugu^ ot bala mo mekad ala^ nang Kapampangan a biasa kaniti?
> Pilalung itang ausan tamung terak a Talibung e ta ne rin balu^ ngeni...
> Sayang.
Mike, maybe you can get a hold of this work and teach yourself this
Kapampangan martial art. Anyway biasa na cang Aikido so it should be a piece
of cake for you.
Marc
Andro Camiling
Good day, Dennis!
At 10:46 PM 11/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Cong Andro,
>
>>According to a book I read that before the execution of Jose
>>Rizal, General Santiago Alvarez planned to infiltrate Intramuros
>>and rescue Jose Rizal at a given signal, but Paciano vetoed the
>>plan and he said "My brother is willing to be rescued provided
>>only if his life is at stake - but not if other patriots' lives
>>would thereby be sacrificed".
>>
>>What do you think of the above statement?
Dennis wrote:
>Very selfish! I guess psychologically that is what a hero mentality is
>all about. Glory, glory, glory...
>
>Hey, is this a trap or what? I don't want any trouble. I had enough of
>it. :) :) BTW Cong Felia's eldest son "Freddy" is here to attend a
>seminar for two months. He is a district manager of Petron Oil Corp. in
>Bataan. Cong Felia sons are all successful in life, as a father I think
>he did quite good. I told him about you and he says the name rings a
>bell but anyway he will be in CA to meet his sisters in about a week.
>You can call Efren if you would like to meet with him, he is a fine
>gentleman. He came over to visit the family, he and my brother Ron were
>childhood friends.
Andro's response:
It's not a trap. It's just hard to believe it because if I was Paciano
I would do everything to save my brother. Perhaps my opinion is swayed by
the fact that I am an Andres Bonifacio fan so to speak. If you read "Isles
of Fear" by Katherine Mayo you will know how December 31 became a national
holiday
in the Philippines in honor of Jose Rizal.
Thanks for the information about the Yumangs although Ka Felia's offsprings
may not remember me. I will try to call Freddy's uncle Efren in order to
know his itinerary. I really like to meet Freddy.
Andro
Dennis M Pacia
Mike,
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:08:55 +0800 siuala ding meangubie
<siu...@mozcom.com> writes:
> < K a p a m p a n g a n >
>
>Ing lagyung Yambao maikiklala yang tutu keti mung Macabebe-Masantul.
>Kalabas ning panaun, mika Yambao na mu rin Minalin ampong Apalit,
>kaibat Uaua, Lubao ampong Florida.... Dapot deng pipunpunan da reti
tantung
>Macabebe-Masantul la mu rin ibat.
Mamayun ku, atin kung akilala ing apelyidu na Yamba neman anya mu Bisaya
iya.
> Kng insanung amanu ya minunang misulat ing libru nang Placido Yambao?
Eku siguradu isipan ku keng Tagalog.
>Ngeni rugu^ ot bala mo mekad ala^ nang Kapampangan a biasa kaniti?
>Pilalung itang ausan tamung terak a Talibung e ta ne rin balu^
>ngeni...
Atin pin sisikat mu naman a arnis style na ing kanung mituru kening
inkung ning master ning style aini ing lagyu na Felicisimo Dizon at
akilala ne kanu ini king Cebu malambat nang panaun bayu pa ing WWII. Era
balu nung nukarin iya menibat i F. Dizon.
Dennis
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Luid Cong Marc,
Aruy, migkamali^ ku karin ai...asaua na la pala ne? Yabang ku pa mo ne?
Kng arnis naman... Tabalu^ masakit ya ata^. E buring sabian biasa kung
Aikido malagua^ mu ing magaral arnis... Nung atin master keni, mas
advisable ya pa ita kesa^ kening libru...
Mike
At 23:45 24/11/98 +0800, Marco D. Nepomuceno wrote:
> < K a p a m p a n g a n >
>
>Luid Mike,
>
>siuala ding meangubie wrote:
>
>> Ing lagyung Yambao maikiklala yang tutu keti mung Macabebe-Masantul.
>> Kalabas ning panaun, mika Yambao na mu rin Minalin ampong Apalit, kaibat
>> Uaua, Lubao ampong Florida.... Dapot deng pipunpunan da reti tantung
>> Macabebe-Masantul la mu rin ibat.
>
>Sasabian nang Paul Aquino (brother of Ninoy) na yny Yambao short form ne mu
>kanu ning Quiambao, at sasabian na pa na reng Quiambao-Yambao are descended
>from Limahong's Indochinese mercenaries who chose to stay behind since they
>had already been able to establish families in Pangasinan.
>
>> Nung abasa mu ne itang The Aquinos of Tarlac nang Nick Joaquin, deng anak
>> nang
>> dalagang Servillano Aquino mangagaling la ngan kaniti...
>
>Just a little correction here, Mike. General Aquino had only one daughter
>(born in 1905), in the person of Fortunata Aquino, who certainly was not an
>escrimadora. It was General Aquino's first two wives (Guadalupe and Petronila
>Quiambao, sisters) and their father who were excellent escrimadores.
>
>> Ngeni rugu^ ot bala mo mekad ala^ nang Kapampangan a biasa kaniti?
>> Pilalung itang ausan tamung terak a Talibung e ta ne rin balu^ ngeni...
>> Sayang.
>
>Mike, maybe you can get a hold of this work and teach yourself this
>Kapampangan martial art. Anyway biasa na cang Aikido so it should be a piece
>of cake for you.
>
>Marc
>
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Andro ampong Cong Dennis,
>Thanks for the information about the Yumangs although Ka Felia's offsprings
>may not remember me. I will try to call Freddy's uncle Efren in order to
>know his itinerary. I really like to meet Freddy.
Asabi yu la reng Yumang....
Iniang atiu ku Cebu, abalu^ ku na reng Kapampangan a mitatatag sarili dang
clique karin yapin deng tau Macabebe. Ing Bohol naman kareng yang tau
Minalin. Kng Davao naman...deng kakauani naman kareng aliuang Kapampangan
at mag-form sarili rang click yapin deng tau Arayat.
Akilala ko reng Yumang ning Cebu a tubu^ Macabebe... Ing apelidu ra ibat
ya kng katayang "umang" o trap... Inia aganaka ke i Dennis iniang kitnan
ne i Cong Andro nung "trap" ya ing binie nang question...
Mike
Marco D. Nepomuceno
Luid Mike,
> Aruy, migkamali^ ku karin ai...asaua na la pala ne? Yabang ku pa mo ne?
Ali naman. I didn't detect a trace of kayabangan in what you said.
> Kng arnis naman... Tabalu^ masakit ya ata^. E buring sabian biasa kung
> Aikido malagua^ mu ing magaral arnis... Nung atin master keni, mas
> advisable ya pa ita kesa^ kening libru...
Get hold of the book and become the master.
Marc
siuala ding meangubie
Luid Cong Dennis,
>Atin pin sisikat mu naman a arnis style na ing kanung mituru kening
>inkung ning master ning style aini ing lagyu na Felicisimo Dizon at
>akilala ne kanu ini king Cebu malambat nang panaun bayu pa ing WWII. Era
>balu nung nukarin iya menibat i F. Dizon.
Inta^ nu la pa mo uari menibat deng Dison?
Mike