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Luid Yvonne ampong Kabalen kung lulugud at sisinta^,

Kekatamung Kapampangan, apat ya antas o degree ing *sinta^* (ini na pa^ ing
gamitan tamung "generic" ne) dependi kng lalam o intimacy...

Lusuk yang malaut kng Tagalug. Kareng Tagalug, keraklan adua^ lang classi
reng karela:

"Iniibig kita", which is actually "I (desire) you." But then the English
word desire may be qualified further for the Tagalug word "ibig" is
actually so base. Kng Kapampangan ing katayang iti yapin ing "ibug"...anti
mo kng "Maibug kung mi^" (I want to pee.)...Ika tamu e tanaman sabian kng
palsintan tamu: "Pangaibugan daka."...ala^ ku pang balu^ng sinabi kanini
kekatamu...

Ing kadua^ kareng Tagalug yapin ing: "Mahal kita", where mahal is "to
esteem" or "to cherish". OK, mediu malalam ne mo iti uling didinan mu neg
ulaga ing tau.

Dapot kekatamung Kapampangan, lusuk ya pa kalalam ing phenomenology of
loving. E ya mu^ bastabasta.

Kekatamung Kapampangan, atin kung a-identify a at least 4 a degrees of
loving...pota galang dakal la pa kng apat...oneng panupaya^ yuku at apat la
reng balu^ ku...

Magumpisa ta kng peka mababo:


- ing *buri^*:

Patie sinabi na ning tau "Buri^ daka" nanu ing kabaldugan na nita? That's
it, yapin na ita. Mababo mu^. Buri^ naka mu^, angga mu^ karin...ala^ neng
makasalikut pang mensaje o pangaku^.


Lumalam tamung bagya^:

- ing *pakamal*

Panga sinabi na na keka ning tau "Pakamalan daka", aiba, makabaldugan ne.
Ing buri^ nang sabian maulaga naka kaya, at anti mo kng bage a maulaga,
gaua yang paralan a e ka mabating kaya...iti ing makabakal nang mensaje o
pangaku^ nini. Ing taung maki-pakamal keka makasadia nakang panlualu o
protectajan uli^ ning ulaga mu kaya. Dapot angga mu^ karin. Ing ulaga
ning metung a tau mamalisdependi nung nanu ing babie ulaga kaya... Nanu
pin uari^ ing pakamalan yu kng metung a tau? Angga ya^ keti ing "Mahal
kita" ning Tagalug.


Dapot atin pang mas malalam:

-ing *lugud*

"Kaluguran daka!"

Ing lugud mas malalam ya karing aduang minuna. Mas intimate ya. Uling
pangalulugud kayu, mipamie nakayu. Bibie mu ne ing sarili mu kaya at iya
anti mu rin keka. Ala^ nakayung sasalikut kng metung at metung. Mibalu^
na kayu sakub ampong sakinda^ ngara pin...

Ing pamiyaliua^ ning lugud kng pakamal yapin itang ing *pakamal* keraklan
one sided ya mu^...nung alia man, ing degree ning pakamal ning metung e ne
kapara ning pakamal ning metung... Nung kuanan me ing English grammar as
an example... <subject-verb-object>...Ikang pakamal ing "subject" at ing
pakamalan mu yapin ing "object"...Ua tau ya, maulaga ya, mangisnaua ya,
mimisip ya, manamdaman ya, dapot it is still an object nonetheless...Bakit?
Uling kng relationship a ita mas maulaga ya ing *pakamal mu kaya* kesa^
kng *pakamal na keka*...

Dapot aliua^ yang e palak ing lugud. Nung gamitan me ing English grammar
pasibayu, makanian ne sigurung lunto.... <subject-verb-subject>... You
see the "other" as also a subject like yourself... Kng lugud, maulaga ya
ing *kaluguran at luluguran naka ning kekang luluguran at kaluguran*...

Ikua^ ye? O magulu ku?


Ngeni atin pang metung a classing "love" a beyond
classification...considered ya rin matas a uri^ ali^ uli^ na ning intimacy,
nung e matas ya uli^ na ning kayang pangasugi^ o nobility...

-ing *sinta^*

"Palsintan daka."

Mekad iti ing ausan dang "Divine Love" uling panga-sinabi mung "Palsintan
daka" ing kabaldugan na niti "I worship thee...Sasamban daka." Lulto ya
ining onesided love uling e me panamdaman ing intimacy...dapot ali^ ya one
sided...[bala^ mu mu^ kanita :)]...uling ing lugud a babie na keka e mu ya
atimbang o asukat man bista man e ka manikuang response...Alimbaua^, *ing
sinta^ mu kng Indung Tibuan*...kailangan me pa uari^ ing response na ning
Indu^ mung Tibuan? Ua, dapot ing pakibat na keka ali^ ya anti ning pakibat
ning kaluguran mung tau... Ing pakibat na keka yapin itang ika "mabie" ka
pa... Ing Indu^ mung Tibuan yang magpabie keka, yang bibie keka kng
pangatau mu, yang bibie keka kng panugali^ mu, yang pasusu kekang amanu,
metung kayu^ mu^ kaladua...inia^ nanu pang pakibat ing panenayan mu potang
sinabi mu kayang: "Palsintan daka mal kung Indu^ at Tibuan"?

Actually atin ya rin "intimacy" ing sinta^...dapot masiadu yang immidiate
para akua^ meng panamdaman. Kasi atiu naka karin, kng kilub ning kayang
sinta^...

Ay...e ra naku nanaman aintindian... Mamanuli^ nakayu mu^ kasi bang
mipapag-istoria tamung kakabukas...Aliua^ ing magsalita^ ka kesa kng
tatagkil kang keyboard...

Mike
Siuala ding Meangubie

At 07:34 21/01/99 -0500, Yvonne Reyes wrote:
>Luid Cabalen:
>
>
>> Kapampangan: Kaluguran daka.
>
>balacu sa "queca cu cacu ca" =-)
>
>anta yng ... "palsintan da ca"
>
>Ngana pa nuing Siuala?
>
>
>> Tagalog : Mahal kita.
>> English : I love you.
>
>
>yvonne
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Luid Mike,
Salamat queng tiru mu. Mas aintindian ke eni.Nanu neman queng Kapampangan ing
"unconditional love?" Antimu queraklan karen pengari, ing lugud da karen anak
da "unconditional love." O di caya ing mas masanting a example: ing lugud na
ning Guinu queka tamong Jesus Kristo quekatamu. Salamat.
+Joe
+Joe

siuala ding meangubie

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Luid Pastor Joe,

E ku balu^ ne dapot kng pamalak ku, kanaku mu iti, mekad "lugud" ya mu rin
ita. Usually sasabian da "kaluguran nakang ima^ mu"...it necessarily
follows na kaluguran me mu rin...

Dapot ing conditional love kaluguran naka regardless ne? Hmmm...siguru
maliari ta ya pang i-qualify ing katayang *lugud* even further... Sabage,
ing lugud a binie na naman Cristo is an intimate kind of love
ale^...ultimung sikoti ning buak mu balu^ na...at ing Cristianu misan
tinggap na ne i Cristo kng bie na kapnuan ne ing buu^ nang kaladua ampong
kabiayan ale^...nanupata^ kilala na ne...ustu ku pen Pastor Joe?

Nung makanian ya ing phenomenang ita...ing unconditional love ayaus te mu
ring *lugud*...

Hmmm...

Maliari ne kaya^ ita?

lulugud...

Mike
Siuala ding Meangubie

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ing lugud a binie na naman Cristo is an intimate kind of love
ale^

Luid Mike,
"Intimate" in a sense na personal ya peru ing precise word yapin ing ausan
dang "agape" queng Greek. Ing transliteration na queng English yapin ing
"unconditional love." Anapin nitang metung susulat, "it is a love not of emotion
but of devotion." "It is a love that demands an ethical responsibility from the
person loving for the benefit of the person being loved. Aliwa ya ini queng
"eros" which can mean "passionate love" or sometimes "lust." Ampung aliwa ya ini
queng "philo" which means "brotherly love." Siguru ing kailangan taya ing metaphor
or analogy para akit taya ing kabaldugan na ning "unconditional love" queng
salita tamu. "Ing lugud na balamu ...................." Ing lugud
na......................." Balu mu Mike, deng aso neng lugud la unconditional.

t ing Cristianu misan
tinggap na ne i Cristo kng bie na kapnuan ne ing buu^ nang kaladua ampong
kabiayan ale^...nanupata^ kilala na ne...ustu ku pen Pastor Joe?

Ua ustu ya kapnuan ne munaman trials o subok bayang maging matibe Kaya. Ing
masakit a pagsubok "lugud" nia naman ini. Ati nacan aisip a metaphor or analogy
qeung Kapampangan to describe "unconditional love." Salamat Abe.
+Joe

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Jan 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/22/99
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Kia naman Atching Aida...nanung balu^ ku...

Mike


At 14:53 21/01/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>O Michael Raymond.....obat karakal mu balo? Nanung
>ali mu balu?.... kagalang penandit maging Tia Dely o
>Kuya Eddie nakaman?
>
>:-)
>atching aida
>
>P.S.
>
>pero manyaman maski daramdaman mumu ing pisasabyan
>tungkol keng lugud at sinta ne, kabalen?

siuala ding meangubie

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Luid Cong 'iel,

Ngamu:

> ............ni nung mamisaling kutchinta ???


Ba, kng Bahasa Indonesia ing pamamasa^ da king "cinta^", kekatamung sinta^,
*chinta*...e ka lalaut. Potang daramdaman mu nong magsalitang "terchinta^"
ampong "berchinta^" laue laue naku gulut pota atin nang magbisikletang
mag-PEPUT-PEPUT!!!

:)

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Jan 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/24/99
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Luid Pastor Joe, Mike,

Makiambula nako mo maski salimpusa ku keng bage aine?

Ing unconditional love kalupa ne rin ning perfect love?
Itang lugud a alang panayan a ablas o
kapalit....kalupa na ning lugud ning Inda keng kayang
anak....saka lugud na rin ning Dios kareng kayang
lelangan.

Ita naman metong imperfect love...apin ing lugud a
panamdaman me uling ating kang akua o buri ketang
luluguran mu.....kanini malyaring alimbawa ing lugud
na naman ning anak keng kayang pengari o matua...

Oini ing atatandanan ko keng tiru nang Father
Rebollo, O.P. ali ko balu nung mamayon kayu. Ngeni
nanu lapin deng katayang Kapampangan para kanini?

Lulugud mu rin.
aida


---siuala ding meangubie <siu...@mozcom.com> wrote:
>

> Luid Pastor Joe,
>
> Migkasakit kung minisip...
>
> Dapot ala^ ku pa rin aisip...
>
> Aintindian ke ing amanuan mu...dapot e ke
adulapdulap ing makatampang
> kataya^ kaniti...
>
>
> Panupaya^ muku Pastor Joe kng kanakung dimut a
kabiasnan...kabud at keti
> ikit ku yang mepatad... :)
>
> Siuala ding Meangubie

> >> Mike
> >> Siuala ding Meangubie
> >>


> >> At 08:46 22/01/99 -0800, SEP...@pacbell.net
wrote:
> >> >Luid Mike,
> >> >Salamat queng tiru mu. Mas aintindian ke
eni.Nanu neman queng
> Kapampangan ing
> >> >"unconditional love?" Antimu queraklan karen
pengari, ing lugud da
> karen anak
> >> >da "unconditional love." O di caya ing mas
masanting a example: ing
> lugud na
> >> >ning Guinu queka tamong Jesus Kristo quekatamu.
Salamat.
> >> >+Joe
> >> >+Joe
> >> >

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Luid Pastor Joe,

Migkasakit kung minisip...

Dapot ala^ ku pa rin aisip...

Aintindian ke ing amanuan mu...dapot e ke adulapdulap ing makatampang
kataya^ kaniti...


Panupaya^ muku Pastor Joe kng kanakung dimut a kabiasnan...kabud at keti
ikit ku yang mepatad... :)

Siuala ding Meangubie


At 23:28 22/01/99 -0800, SEP...@pacbell.net wrote:
>ing lugud a binie na naman Cristo is an intimate kind of love
>ale^
>
>Luid Mike,
> "Intimate" in a sense na personal ya peru ing precise word yapin ing
ausan
>dang "agape" queng Greek. Ing transliteration na queng English yapin ing
>"unconditional love." Anapin nitang metung susulat, "it is a love not of
emotion
>but of devotion." "It is a love that demands an ethical responsibility

>> >> atimbang o asukat man bista man e ka manikuang response...Alimbaua^,
*ing
>> >> sinta^ mu kng Indung Tibuan*...kailangan me pa uari^ ing response na
ning
>> >> Indu^ mung Tibuan? Ua, dapot ing pakibat na keka ali^ ya anti ning
pakibat
>> >> ning kaluguran mung tau... Ing pakibat na keka yapin itang ika
"mabie" ka
>> >> pa... Ing Indu^ mung Tibuan yang magpabie keka, yang bibie keka kng
>> >> pangatau mu, yang bibie keka kng panugali^ mu, yang pasusu kekang amanu,
>> >> metung kayu^ mu^ kaladua...inia^ nanu pang pakibat ing panenayan mu
potang
>> >> sinabi mu kayang: "Palsintan daka mal kung Indu^ at Tibuan"?
>> >>
>> >> Actually atin ya rin "intimacy" ing sinta^...dapot masiadu yang
immidiate
>> >> para akua^ meng panamdaman. Kasi atiu naka karin, kng kilub ning kayang
>> >> sinta^...
>> >>
>> >> Ay...e ra naku nanaman aintindian... Mamanuli^ nakayu mu^ kasi bang
>> >> mipapag-istoria tamung kakabukas...Aliua^ ing magsalita^ ka kesa kng
>> >> tatagkil kang keyboard...
>> >>

>> >> Mike
>> >> Siuala ding Meangubie
>> >>


>> >> At 07:34 21/01/99 -0500, Yvonne Reyes wrote:
>> >> >Luid Cabalen:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Kapampangan: Kaluguran daka.
>> >> >
>> >> >balacu sa "queca cu cacu ca" =-)
>> >> >
>> >> >anta yng ... "palsintan da ca"
>> >> >
>> >> >Ngana pa nuing Siuala?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Tagalog : Mahal kita.
>> >> >> English : I love you.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >yvonne
>> >> >
>> >>
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