ALK: Re: Kapampangan and Scottish autonomy

[Nepo, Marc & Lou [nee] Tanhueco]

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On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:54:08 +0800 "Edwin N. Camaya"
<e...@mudspring.uplb.edu.ph> writes:
> < K a p a m p a n g a n >
>
>Luid kayu kabalen king K-List at ALK,
>Ini ing pakibat ku kang Berat ketang kayang mensahi king ALK
>
>Kabalen,
>Salamat king kekang pakibat. Atin murin palang makabasa kareng sulat
>ku king ALK.

>On September 17, 1997, Berat <clov...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Pangadua, ala yang standard ing pamayulat tamu. Dapot pare-pareo
>> tamu spelling. Atin na reng gagamit C, deng aliwa K. Makananu
>>tamung mikasundu? Dakal tamu dapat a samasan, bayu ka magsalitang
>>autonomia.

Edwin wrote:
>Kabalen, nung tutung kalugura'n ta ya ing akagisnan tamung salita,
>malati ya mung bage ing 'spelling' o pamisulat para pipaten ya iti.
>King Kapampangan List, gagalang mi ing metung at metung, at makasulat
king
>spelling a buri mi. Ing maulaga, maki masabal kami ngan king kayapan
ning
>Kapampangan.

Marc writes:
Marc writes:
>Deng eganaganang sinabi mu masanting la, Edwin, pati na yng qng babo. As
long as we understand what the other is saying, "spelling" is not really
that important. Since we always like to compare our situation to certain
situations in other countries (especially the Western countries), take
the case of the differences in spelling between British English and
American English: colour vs color, threatre vs theater, civilisation vs
civilization. The point is, Americans are aware of these variations in
spelling, and the use of a word that is spelled differently does not
result in any misunderstanding because the word is also taken in context
at the same time.

This is also the same for Kapampangan. There is a very high literacy
rate in the Kapampangan Region and people are generally aware of the
variations in spelling. So whether "Come here" is spelled "Mekeni" or
"Mequeni" does not really matter.

In addition, American English spelling was standardized only relatively
recently. Can you imagine what would have happened had the American
revolutionaries from the 13 original states said that there was no way
they could declare their independence from Britain because they could not
even agree on spelling?

MARC

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[Berat]

Nepo, Marc & Lou [nee] Tanhueco wrote in article

>Edwin wrote:
>>Kabalen, nung tutung kalugura'n ta ya ing akagisnan tamung salita,
>>malati ya mung bage ing 'spelling' o pamisulat para pipaten ya iti.
>>King Kapampangan List, gagalang mi ing metung at metung, at makasulat
>king
>>spelling a buri mi. Ing maulaga, maki masabal kami ngan king kayapan
>ning
>>Kapampangan.

O sige, ala neng kwenta ing spelling. Balaku buri yeng turu in Kapampangan
kareng eskuela. Nung buri yeng ituru, nanung ituru yu, deng aliwa-liwa? O
dependi keng tuturu, ing buri nang ituru?

>
>Marc writes:
>long as we understand what the other is saying, "spelling" is not really
>that important. Since we always like to compare our situation to certain
>situations in other countries (especially the Western countries), take
>the case of the differences in spelling between British English and
>American English: colour vs color, threatre vs theater, civilisation vs
>civilization. The point is, Americans are aware of these variations in

Our situation is not to compare but to build a solid literature and
language. Now is the time to make it stronger by making rules in spelling
and grammar.

Now stop comparing it to American English and British English. We are only
2 million. We do not have logistics and experiences of Anglo-American
empire.

>
>This is also the same for Kapampangan. There is a very high literacy
>rate in the Kapampangan Region and people are generally aware of the
>variations in spelling. So whether "Come here" is spelled "Mekeni" or
>"Mequeni" does not really matter.
>
>In addition, American English spelling was standardized only relatively
>recently. Can you imagine what would have happened had the American

Really? So why do teachers make deduction to marks if a student spells
"initialise" instead of "initialize" IN THE PHILIPPINES, if spelling
doesn't really matter?

Ing "C"abalen yung Berat

[Manolo Gatbonton]

Cabalen a Berat,

Balamu ata ela lulub king kekang server deng quecaming postings.
Pequibatan ke itang mumuna mung posting at macanian mu rin y Edwin pero
balamu e mo icua?

nung ababasa me iting posting cu paquibatan mu ne mo.

Manolo Gatbonton

Berat wrote:
> (snip)

[IOHAN REYES]

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:04:50 -0400, "Berat" <clov...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>O sige, ala neng kwenta ing spelling. Balaku buri yeng turu in Kapampangan
>kareng eskuela. Nung buri yeng ituru, nanung ituru yu, deng aliwa-liwa? O
>dependi keng tuturu, ing buri nang ituru?
>

>Our situation is not to compare but to build a solid literature and
>language. Now is the time to make it stronger by making rules in spelling
>and grammar.

Ika naman tol, common sense mu siempre na bayu de ituru, mika
standardization keng spelling and grammar. Kabud na la mu waring turu
na aliwa-liwa? Siyempre e naman biglaan ing process a yan.

Ing original point mu e naman tungkul keng pamanuru keng Kapampangan,
nung ali keng "makananu tamung magka autonomia nung ing spelling mu e
taya apikasunduan" or something along those lines. Pekibatan de ini
di Edwin ampong Manolo, pero siguro e mula ikwa keng news server mu.

>
>Now stop comparing it to American English and British English. We are only
>2 million. We do not have logistics and experiences of Anglo-American
>empire.
>

Nanung buri mung sabyan we do not have logistics and experiences?
Atin tamung sarili tamung experiences, history, culture, and language.
Atin tamung pera. Sabi mu pin 2 million tamu mu. Tabat mo ali ya
pwedeng ituru ing Kapampangan Culture kareng skwela tamu? Nanu wari
ing marok nung abalu de reng kaanakan ing tungkul keng pibatan da
ampong keng karelang amanung akagisnan?

Sabi na pin Edwin ketang postings na, ing Kapampangan Region maragul
ya pa kesa kareng aliwang bansa keng mundo tamu. Palage mu ila e de
tuturu ing culture and language da uling "they do not have the
logistics and experiences of Anglo-American empire"?

Ing point keni ali ta naman maging-separatist. We just want to take
care of our own, instead of relying on the central government who
obviously funnels its resources to "more favorable" regions...

Bakit mo keng Mindanao atin lang autonomia? Mas superior la ba? ALI.
E naman question of superiority ing pamanyad autonomy. Pero
mas-elaborate ya itang sagot nang Edwin, basan mu ne mu ita. Nung e
me ikwa, sabyan mu, at email ku ne mu keka.

Sana e mu isipan na mapali ya ing sulat ku, mipag-diskusyon tamu mu,
alang mapali buntuk keni. (E tamu buring maging kalupa taya ing SCF
na puru namu pate ing milyari)

IOHAN REYES
ioh...@erols.com