[NGL] Hiatus
Jack Durst
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:23:35 -0330
From: Stephen DeGrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Subject: Re: [NGL] Hiatus
From: Stephen DeGrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Hi Jerry!
Well, it _has_ been a while. It has been in my mind for a long time to
post something, but I seem to have to overcome a certain inertia. Life
has been very busy, and I have taken on a lot with my position as a
director of the Karate Federation of Newfoundland, and serving on
several committees of LBGTMUN (the gay and lesbian group at Memorial
University of Newfoundland). I gave up all my newsgroups - even my
Quaker newsgroup - but it still seems like most of my attention is
diverted elsewhere. I remain interested in NGL, however, and
periodically write in it and think to myself how to translate some
sentence or other that I come across. Your translation idea is clevel,
BTW; I operate on a slightly different basis, since I have become
accustomed to using Shoebox, but even so, I increasingly need to make
refernce to the details of vector grammar and so any idea to ease my
work in that area is most welcome.
Ta feom yerdin indùm (be moc :-) ) eco inyàs; ta tibeom u' q
kuiporkanto & ta biunafeom orio'. Orio' *dek*. Eco moxanije inòtoig be
moc, newiy eco je yerdin 'an ta visom leti rolig. Kite indàbui'je
*'ayhoig* te naesite kai', newiy no laus kai' kur ra visom. Tuni, u'
yer xolcitjan.
To vupom be fe òl esrìtjan u' NGL yexig. No yevo invòavitom bincio' à
NGL... 'E ta sunmafeos inòtoig u' eco tokcir, 'e ta feos òl reylajan
leh mouk, & xo invòavintoje 'if xo incàxos jiopem.
Tiran, ta visom tos òl nom be q bok Bibeli, "The Acts of the
Apostles". Ta sahom ke dekusem q vaibmom "Apostle" "Sent One". U' NGL,
"sent one" xi je "gicustor". Loj, "The Acts of the Apostles" xi je "Ku
Gicustores Xolcise", 'ior "Ku Xolcis à q Gicustores". Felitom _mom_ q
serotonar.
Anyways, Jerry, it was fabulous to hear from you, especially since NGL
has been more and more on my mind lately. I hope everyone is well.
Tkae care, and hope to hear form you soon.
Kus Naesverig,
Stephen
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:01:02 -0800 (PST), Gerald Koenig
<j...@NETCOM.COM> wrote:
>From: Gerald Koenig <j...@NETCOM.COM>
>
>
>Hel zupo,
>
>I haven't received nor written any posts for quite a while. For me it
>is a matter of my wife's illness and other real-life concerns. She is
>better now and I have a little time. I'd love to hear what is going on
>with any other NGL list readers, English would be fine. I realized
>today that the NGL writekit I put on line could be used by anyone with
>win9x as a realtime online resource to write NGL. Here is how it can be
>done.
>
>1. Logon to Netscape. (I haven't tested IE but it should work)
>2. Pull the lower border up with the double arrow until Netscape is the
>upper half of the screen, you can also collapse the menus for room.
>3. Put the writekit URL in the window and go there.
>
>ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/jl/jlk/writekit.nov
>
>4. Start up Wordpad. (start/programs/accessories/wordpad). Size it to
>the lower half of the screen.
>
>5. Click the blank page icon located below the Wordpad file menu and
>select "text document" as the file type for the composition. This will
>be the default filename and become the subject of the mailed or posted
>composition. It can be changed by saving under another filename or
>renaming it prior to sending.
>
>6.To lookup a word or grammar question, use the "Find" option in the
>browser (upper ) window which has the whole 225k writekit file open.
>
>7. When the composition in NGL is complete, click File/Send in Wordpad.
>The messenger/express menu comes up with the subject as the filename.
>Change it if desired and then address the message To: n...@onelist.com.
>and send it.
>It works for me. I would really appreciate it if someone would try this
>with a one or two liner. I think we need many short, one or two sentence
>NGL messages on the list to get it breathing again, as well as simple
>English chat. Please check in.
>I hope this message finds Julian, Jack, Stephen, Carlos, Mia, and all
>lurkers well. Come on out, lurkers!
>
>Jerry
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Jack Durst
Well, I've been busy too lately. I've been working on a book on
constitutional philosophy, and so all my writing energies have gone into
that and none into translations. I admit, I'm getting a bit rusty and
will need to do some translating to get back up to speed.
As for your writekit idea, I've been using something similar for quite
some time. I keep a copy of the Ogden set and the cheet sheet open in a
file while I write, switching between windows as I go.
Sincerely,
Jack Durst
Sp...@sierra.net
[this posting written in Net English]
Jack Durst
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:22:38 -0330 (NST)
From: Stephen Arthur Degrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Subject: Re: [NGL] Hiatus
From: Stephen Arthur Degrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Jack Durst wrote:
> From: Jack Durst <sp...@sierra.net>
>
> Hi all...
>
> Well, I've been busy too lately. I've been working on a book on
> constitutional philosophy, and so all my writing energies have gone into
> that and none into translations. I admit, I'm getting a bit rusty and
> will need to do some translating to get back up to speed.
What a coincidence. My life has been plagued with constitutions recently.
We recently had a constitutional mini-crisis at the Karate Federation of
Newfoundland when the black belts at one dojo decided they didn't want to
pay their national fees, and I'm on the constitutional committee for
LBGTMUN, writing a constitution for our group. We never had one
previously, at least not one that said anything concretely :-). Granted
this is all small-potatoes, constitution-wise :-)
> As for your writekit idea, I've been using something similar for quite
> some time. I keep a copy of the Ogden set and the cheet sheet open in a
> file while I write, switching between windows as I go.
Me, I just use Showbox. I have most of my notes in there. I have to go
hunting when I need some detail not covered there... :-)
Stephen
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Jack Durst
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:11:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Gerald Koenig <j...@NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: [NGL] Hiatus
From: Gerald Koenig <j...@NETCOM.COM>
>Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:23:35 -0330
>From: Stephen DeGrace "<c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>"
>Subject: Re: [NGL] Hiatus
>From: Stephen DeGrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Hi, Stephen,
It was great to hear from you, and Jack and Julian as well, and I saw
Mia cast a vote, so we do exist. I wish everyone would check in with a
short review of where they're at, English is fine. We're all out of NGL
practice and I need writekit-type support as much as anyone to write,
maybe more. I'll be posting a a few sentences soon.
I did read your NGL post and I enclose my casual notes for others.
What do xo, ra and 'ayhoig mean and what is the derivation of kuiporkanto?
I believe I was able to get the sense of your post fairly well but I do
wonder sometimes how much that is based on knowing english or latin.
Ta feom yerdin indùm (be moc :-) ) eco inyàs; ta tibeom u' q
something abnormal me night had
kuiporkanto & ta biunafeom orio'. Orio' *dek*. Eco moxanije inòtoig be
store,tradeplace hole ear? right-hand show little-ly
moc, newiy eco je yerdin 'an ta visom leti rolig. Kite indàbui'je
think-I about. [active verb/adj]
gay
*'ayhoig* te naesite kai', newiy no laus kai' kur ra visom. Tuni, u'
"eyely" feel-agent new/different, such/like as? Interestingly
yer xolcitjan.
some/any happening
To vupom be fe òl esrìtjan u' NGL yexig. No yevo invòavitom bincio' à
try late-ly. want-ed lose bini
NGL... 'E ta sunmafeos inòtoig u' eco tokcir, 'e ta feos òl reylajan
wisdom win-I-imp muchly working
leh mouk, & xo invòavintoje 'if xo incàxos jiopem.
feel very lose-much-be if unforced drop-3pcond. let-go
Tiran, ta visom tos òl nom be q bok Bibeli, "The Acts of the
BTW,
Apostles". Ta sahom ke dekusem q vaibmom "Apostle" "Sent One". U' NGL,
look for mean word-nom`
"sent one" xi je "gicustor". Loj, "The Acts of the Apostles" xi je "Ku
would be gicu-tor?
Gicustores Xolcise", 'ior "Ku Xolcis à q Gicustores". Felitom _mom_ q
act-essence-be prefer I
serotonar.
latter.
I was happy to see some vector space words used. As to the use of the
"s" between gicu and tor, I don't think I made that entirely clear in
the writekit. Your could put it there of course if you want for esthetic
reasons in your new word, but it's not required for vector unless there
are three vowels in a row. And it can be deleted in words like "pastor"
which goes to "pator" as an option.
gicu-liv-or-es: send outward ones
gicu-tor-or-es: send toward ones.
How about Ku Xolxis a` ku gictores?
The original Greek in my dictionary derivation gives an outward sense
to apo, but you may want to emphasize that the apostles moved toward
us. "NGL-pro-ject" has the outreaching sense too. Our voting process
here still amazes me, it's so rare, (thanks Julian); I do hope we will
be able to reach a critical mass where the wisdom of large numbers of
people can be accessed.
Jerry
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Jack Durst
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:13:24 -0330 (NST)
From: Stephen Arthur Degrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Subject: Re: [NGL] Hiatus
From: Stephen Arthur Degrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Short reply.. :-)
On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Gerald Koenig wrote:
> From: Gerald Koenig <j...@NETCOM.COM>
>
>
> >Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:23:35 -0330
> >From: Stephen DeGrace "<c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>"
> >Subject: Re: [NGL] Hiatus
> >From: Stephen DeGrace <c72...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
>
> Hi, Stephen,
>
> It was great to hear from you, and Jack and Julian as well, and I saw
> Mia cast a vote, so we do exist. I wish everyone would check in with a
> short review of where they're at, English is fine. We're all out of NGL
> practice and I need writekit-type support as much as anyone to write,
> maybe more. I'll be posting a a few sentences soon.
>
> I did read your NGL post and I enclose my casual notes for others.
> What do xo,
PVS word meaning "will-would", something to that effect. It's a future
irreal.
>ra
{ra} is more "might have", again PVS.
>and 'ayhoig
{'ayhoig} has to be interpreted somewhat idiomatically, I meant something
like "to the eye", or "visibly".
>mean and what is the derivation of kuiporkanto?
{kuiporkanto} is an on-the-spot attempt to derive "mall". I suppose I
could have just borrowed mall... the NGL means something like "great
market", {kuipor}, "trade", {-ka}, "place", {-(i)n(o)to}, "large",
braketed letters deleted by contraction. Actally, I think there's actually
a work for "market" I could have used.
> I believe I was able to get the sense of your post fairly well but I do
> wonder sometimes how much that is based on knowing english or latin.
>
> Ta feom yerdin indùm (be moc :-) ) eco inyàs; ta tibeom u' q
> something abnormal me night had
for me tonight
> kuiporkanto & ta biunafeom orio'. Orio' *dek*. Eco moxanije inòtoig be
> store,tradeplace hole ear? right-hand show little-ly
I went to the mall and had my ear pierced. *right* ear. This is a bit
showy for me
NOTE: I ought to have used a vector term for "right", but I was in a hurry
and {dek} came up first :-)
> moc, newiy eco je yerdin 'an ta visom leti rolig. Kite indàbui'je
> think-I about. [active verb/adj]
but this is something I had been thinking about for a long time.
Being gay
> gay
> *'ayhoig* te naesite kai', newiy no laus kai' kur ra visom. Tuni, u'
> "eyely" feel-agent new/different, such/like as? Interestingly
visibly feels but not so different as I might have thought.
Interesting
NOTE: Not a big or very noticeable thing, but interesting because it
_does_ have an implied menaing in our culture, or at least the part of it
I inhabit, that in males leftward assymetry in earrings means straight,
therefore...
> yer xolcitjan.
> some/any happening
in any case.
> To vupom be fe òl esrìtjan u' NGL yexig. No yevo invòavitom bincio' à
> try late-ly. want-ed lose bini
I will try to do a composition in NGL soon. I don't want to lose my
knowledge of
> NGL... 'E ta sunmafeos inòtoig u' eco tokcir, 'e ta feos òl reylajan
> wisdom win-I-imp muchly working
We have accomplished much in this artificial language, we have
done a very good job
> leh mouk, & xo invòavintoje 'if xo incàxos jiopem.
> feel very lose-much-be if unforced drop-3pcond. let-go
it would be a loss if we were to let it drop.
> Tiran, ta visom tos òl nom be q bok Bibeli, "The Acts of the
> BTW,
> Apostles". Ta sahom ke dekusem q vaibmom "Apostle" "Sent One". U' NGL,
> look for mean word-nom`
I found that the word "apostle" means "sent one".
> "sent one" xi je "gicustor". Loj, "The Acts of the Apostles" xi je "Ku
> would be gicu-tor?
Could be, I didn't think of that. I was using a form with no directional
component which coincidentaly resembles a vector form. {gicuor} would, of
course, be "sender". There is a form that is passive, that would give
person, thing or device which is sent. Letter is the same for gender as in
the active form; the only difference is that you insert a couple letters.
If the substrate ends in a non-syllibant consonant (e.g., {"gic"}), it is
s (i.e., {gicsor}; if it ends in a syllibant (e.g., {"gix"}), it is t
(i.e., {gixtor}), if the word ends in a vowel it is st (e.g., {gicu} -->
{gicustor}, sent one). This is a very old form.
> Gicustores Xolcise", 'ior "Ku Xolcis à q Gicustores". Felitom _mom_ q
> act-essence-be prefer I
> serotonar.
> latter.
I wanted to say "former".
> I was happy to see some vector space words used. As to the use of the
> "s" between gicu and tor, I don't think I made that entirely clear in
> the writekit. Your could put it there of course if you want for esthetic
> reasons in your new word, but it's not required for vector unless there
> are three vowels in a row. And it can be deleted in words like "pastor"
> which goes to "pator" as an option.
>
> gicu-liv-or-es: send outward ones
> gicu-tor-or-es: send toward ones.
>
> How about Ku Xolxis a` ku gictores?
I suppose this would be okay too. Like I say, I didn't think of using a
vector for this.
Stephen
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Jack Durst
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:11:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Gerald Koenig <j...@NETCOM.COM>
From: Gerald Koenig <j...@NETCOM.COM>
Hi, Stephen,
Thanks for the translation. It's good to be using the lang again.
Sorry for the "tor" hallucination. I might have to restrict space adverb
attachment to space primitives, and detach them otherwise, if there
is much ambiguity like that. I did understand a lot of what you wrote.
Best,
Jerry
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