Re: Panini
anal...@hotmail.com
> On Mar 29, 7:07 am, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:67c232f6-6458-4706...@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 27, 2:19 pm, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > <Craoibhi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >news:a3db7fdb-0629-4df6...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > On Mar 27, 1:57 am, "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> but we can't expect better from non-hindus
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> > > > Racist bigotry.
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> > > why did you clip out the remaaining part of the sentence that qualified
> > > these non-hindus who in effect are missionary-motivated?
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> > What in your sentence indicated (falsely, of course) that "these non-
> > hindus" are "missionary-motivated"? The vast majority of the American
> > professoriat either practice no religion or make no public
> > announcement or display of their religion.
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> > you should read the research works of thinkers like rajiv malhotra to
> > understand the vast network of missionary interference in sanskrit or indic
> > education in
> > universities across usa. i looked for a few book titles but could not get to
> > it readily to recommend here. i will post the titles when i find them which
> > should be soon.
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> > it is really astounding that missionaries are so motivated to keep millions
> > of americans in dark and mislead them into all manners of prejudicial view
> > of
> > indian civilization. the misionaries are deeply entrnched in american
> > education about indic civilization.
> > it is as if they are scared their house cards will come crashing down should
> > america get the factual understanding of indic civilization. prof witzel of
> > harvard is just one of them which his testimony has revealed in a lawsuit.
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> What does "one of them" mean? Witzel has revealed he is a missionary?
> Just for the record, I don't think you know what "missionary" means.
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> > once i met valerie tarico, the wonderful author of "the dark side" (do read
> > her book), at a conference and had a long talk with her. she, like many
> > american intellectuals at the conference just could not believe the amount
> > of disinformation being peddled by the missionaries in usa about other
> > cultures - specially india.
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> This is so reminiscent of the paranoid nonsense currently being
> peddled in the movie "Expelled". Except there the evil tentacles
> belong to evolutionists, not "missionaries".
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> Ross Clark- Hide quoted text -
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If teh following extract from Wiki about Witzel is true then his
"scholarship" has an agenda, a hoary contemptible one at that.
start quote:
He has organized a number of international conferences at Harvard such
as the first of the intermittent International Vedic Workshops
(1989,1999,2004), the first of several annual International
Conferences on Dowry and Bride-Burning in India (1995 sqq.), the
yearly Round Tables on the Ethnogenesis of South and Central Asia
(1999 sqq).[32]
end quote.
benl...@ihug.co.nz
Really? Would you care to elaborate on this alleged "agenda", and how
this list of conferences reveals it?
Do you agree with harmony that Witzel is a "missionary"?
Ross Clark
anal...@hotmail.com
Whats your take on Witzel's qualifications/motivation to host
conferences on dowry and bride-burning (assuming that he actually did
organize many of them, as alleged in Wiki) ?
Trond Engen
> Whats your take on Witzel's qualifications/motivation to host
> conferences on dowry and bride-burning (assuming that he actually did
> organize many of them, as alleged in Wiki) ?
You didn't answer Ross' questions. But never mind. The program for the
first annual conference, the one he's said to have helped organize, was
easy to find, so I suppose you read it before your post. That raises
some questions. I'll come to that, but first I quote the program in full:
> THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON DOWRY AND BRIDE BURNING IN
> INDIA
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> DATES OF CONFERENCE: SEPTEMBER 30, OCTOBER 1 & 2, 1995
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> PLACE: HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, POUND HALL 101 (on Massachussetts Avenue)
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> CONFERENCE OFFICE: 53 CHURCH STREET, CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS MAILING
> ADDRESS: ISADABB, P.O. BOX 8766, SALEM, MA 01971 TELEPHONES:
> 617-496)8570 (Dr. Witzel), 508-546)7354 (Mr. Thakur) fax 508- 546
> 7354 email
> ================================================================
>
> PROGRAM ON SEPTEMBER 30, 1995, SATURDAY
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> 1:30 PM: Registration Fee $5.00 for students, otherwise $40.00
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> 2:30 PM: Inauguration of the Conference: Michael Witzel
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> 2:40 PM: Julia Leslie, London University "Dowry, 'dowry deaths', and
> violence against women"
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> 3:10 PM: Attorney Rani Jethmalani, at the Supreme Court of India
> "Inertness of legal, administrative and judicial systems in India"
>
> 3:40 PM: H.B. Thakur, Chair, Board of Directors, International
> Society Against Dowry and Bride Burning in India, Inc. "A brief
> outline of practical steps towards prevention of dowry deaths"
>
> 3:55 PM: Coffee Break
>
> 4:10 PM: Enrica Garzilli, Harvard Law School "Stridhana: A millenary
> problem"
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> 4:40 PM: Werner Menski, London University "Dowry: A survey of the
> issues and the literature"
>
> 5:10 PM: Coffee Break
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> 5:30 PM: Michael Witzel "Little dowry, no sati: the non-prevalence of
> dowry and widow burning in Vedic India"
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> 6:00 PM: Biswam Rambilass, Durban University, South Africa
> "Non-prevalence of dowry among Indian South Africans"
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> 6:30 PM: Arvind Sharma Dowry and Sati: A re-evaluation of Hindu
> Scriptures
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> 7:00 PM: END OF SESSION ON SEPTEMBER 30, 1995, SATURDAY.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> PROGRAM ON OCTOBER 1, 1995, SUNDAY
>
> <<Note that panels are still flexible if desired or necessary>>
> <<We encourage input fromte audience.>>
>
> FIRST SESSION IN THE MORNING:
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> 9:00 AM: General Assembly, Coffee and Snacks
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> 9:30 AM: Panel (A): "Legal system in India: its inadequacies and
> solutions" Panel moderator: Attorney Rani Jethmalani Panelists:
> Werner Menski, Atty. Subhadra Chaturvedi Panel record keeper: Ritu
> Banerji
>
> Panel (B): "Mahatma Gandhi's views on women's freedom : re-evaluation
> of Hindu Scriptures" Panel moderator: Arvind Sharma Panelists: Sita
> Kapadia, Ramnarayan Tripathi Panel record keeper: Latha Ravi
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> Panel (C): "Practical steps towards prevention of dowry deaths in
> India" Panel moderator: Himendra Thakur Panelists: Architect Nalini
> Parikh, Bisvam Rambilass, Julia Leslie Panel record keeper: Riti
> Sachdeva
>
> 11:00 AM: Coffee break
>
> SECOND SESSION IN THE MORNING:
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> 11:30 AM: Panel (D): "Economics of dowry, female
> infanticide/foeticide, "Stridhanam" and female inheritance" Panel
> moderator: Vijayendra Rao Panelists: Enrica Garzilli, Renuka Sharma
> Panel record keeper: Ritu Banerji
>
> Panel (E): "Past and present of dowry death cases: geographical
> distribution inside and outside of India" Panel moderator: Atty.
> Subhadra Chaturvedi Panelists: Malaya Khaund, Ramnarayan Tripathi,
> Bisvam Rambilass Panel record keeper: Monisha Dasgupta
>
> Panel (F): "Witness Account: real cases of dowry deaths" Panel
> moderator: Satya Agarwal Panelists: Attorney Rani Jethmalani,
> Himendra Thakur Panel record keeper: Lata Ravi
>
> 12:30 PM: Lunch break
>
> AFTERNOON SESSION:
>
> 2:00 PM: General Assembly : Presentation of Panel Summary, questions
> and answers:
>
> 2:00 PM: Summary and questions/answers on Panel (A) : "Legal system
> in India: its inadequacies and solutions" Panel moderator: Attorney
> Rani Jethmalani Panel record keeper: Ritu Banerji
>
> 2:30 PM: Summary and questions/answers on Panel (B): "Mahatma
> Gandhi's views on women's freedom: re-evaluation of Hindu Scriptures"
> Panel moderator: Arvind Sharma Panel record keeper: Latha Ravi
>
> 3:00 PM: Coffee break
>
> 3:30 PM: Summary and questions/answers on Panel (C): "Practical steps
> towards prevention of dowry deaths in India" Panel moderator:
> Himendra Thakur Panel record keeper: Riti Sachdeva
>
> 4 PM: Summary and questions/answers on Panel (D): "Economics of
> dowry, female infanticide/foeticide, "Stridhanam" and female
> inheritance" Panel moderator: Vijayendra Rao Panel record keeper:
> Ritu Banerji
>
> 4:30 PM: Coffee break
>
> AFTERNOON SESSION (CONTINUED):
>
> 5 PM: Summary and questions/answers on Panel (E): "Past and present
> of dowry death cases: geographical distribution inside and outside of
> India" Panel moderator: Attorney Subhadra Chaturvedi Panel record
> keeper: Monisha Dasgupta
>
> 5:30 PM: Summary and questions/answers on Panel (F): "Witness
> Accounts: real cases of dowry deaths" Panel moderator: Satya Agarwal
> Panel record keeper: Lata Ravi
>
> 6:00 PM: END OF SESSION
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> PROGRAM ON OCTOBER 2, 1995, MONDAY FINAL SESSION OF THE CONFERENCE
>
> 6:30 PM: Sita Kapadia "A tribute to Mahatma Gandhi: his views on
> women and social change"
>
> 6:50 PM: Michael Witzel "Summary of panel discussions and evaluation
> of conference proceedings"
>
> 7:15 PM: Coffee break
>
> 7:30 PM: Renuka Sharma, Monash University, Melbourne, Australia
> "Female infanticide and foeticide in India"
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> 7:50 PM: Attorney Rani Jethmalani "Resolutions on legal and judicial
> reforms in India"
>
> 8:15 PM: Coffee break
>
> 8:30 PM: Himendra B. Thakur "Resolutions on practical steps towards
> prevention of dowry deaths in India"
>
> 8:50 PM: Julia Leslie "General summary, announcements and conclusion
> of the Conference"
>
> 9:00 PM: END OF THE CONFERENCE
(<http://lloyd.emich.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9509&L=indology&D=1&F=P&P=8008>)
Given your contempt, I expected it to be a conference devoted to the
conservation of brideburning. Now:
1. What possible other motivation than humanitarian can you read out of
this program?
2. Why do you find his support for multidisciplinary knowledge as a base
for the struggle against "Dowry and Bride-Burning in India" contemptible?
3. What in this program reveals him as being a missionary? Or broader,
what in this program do you consider specifically Christian?
4. How can it be supposed to influence on his scholarly work as a
linguist or philologist in a negative way (= constitute an 'agenda')?
5. How do you plan to come out of this with any intellectual or moral
integrity?
--
Trond Engen
- as if you had