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Nathan Baker

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Jan 6, 2010, 3:07:38 PM1/6/10
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Jim has officially abandoned the newsgroup. I am working on a solution to
bring it back from the ashes. Stay tuned...

Nathan.


Willow

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Jan 6, 2010, 5:50:34 PM1/6/10
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Bummer, I just posted there too, I guess my message will be lost now.
I was trying to advertize my GPL 3.0 disassembler to get some feedback
and bug reports, no luck though.

--- Original message posted to CLAX follows ---

I just released "release 2" of CRUDASM3, the crude disassembler.
The main program is now called BETASM for Better Disassembler.

You can find it here:
http://code.google.com/p/vm64dec/downloads/list

It features improved switch/case detection. Now works on 32bit EXE/DLL
PE/COFF files, with PDB support too.
I fixed some bugs and am trying to generate a disassembler,
decompiler, and emulator all from one script file (that file is intel/
in_intel_arch.c).

As always, full source is available. BETASM is the project name of an
improved crude disassembler ("crudasm"); I plan to introduce (i.e. in
the future, isn't done yet) switch, loop, and if structuring/
recognition into the disassembler; with goto's being used only as a
last resort. Aside from HLL-style control flow in the output, BETASM
will be a Better Disassembler.

Comments and feedback greatly appreciated, especially if you have time
to read the source code and intel/in_intel_arch.c in particular.
Willow

Frank Kotler

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Jan 7, 2010, 2:46:11 AM1/7/10
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Nathan Baker wrote:
> Jim has officially abandoned the newsgroup.

That's putting it a little strongly. He's asked that someone else take
over the moderating chore. For those who don't know... Jim was forced
into a very sudden job-related move, and he's got a lot on his plate
right now. He left his computer running, and we were able to log in and
approve messages for a few days, but now it's not responding. I keep
trying it - maybe the housekeeper will come by and reboot it or
something... Think of it as a prolonged power-outage...

> I am working on a solution to
> bring it back from the ashes. Stay tuned...

Excellent! As I've explained to you guys, I'm not well-situated to do it
myself, but as a last resort, I'll give it a shot. CLAX is definitely
not dead! Lemme know if there's anything I can do to help!

Best,
Frank

Steve

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Jan 7, 2010, 8:49:41 AM1/7/10
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Frank Kotler <fbko...@myfairpoint.net> writes:
>Nathan Baker wrote:
>> Jim has officially abandoned the newsgroup.
>
<Snip>

>> I am working on a solution to
>> bring it back from the ashes. Stay tuned...
>
>Excellent! As I've explained to you guys, I'm not well-situated to do it
>myself, but as a last resort, I'll give it a shot. CLAX is definitely
>not dead! Lemme know if there's anything I can do to help!
>
>Best,
>Frank

Hey,

Good luck, and thanks for the efforts all.

Regards,

Steve N.

Rod Pemberton

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Jan 15, 2010, 4:35:31 PM1/15/10
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"Frank Kotler" <fbko...@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message
news:hi43sf$lt9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

>
> CLAX is definitely
> not dead!
>

The longer it takes, the more likely that "CLAX is dead" becomes true. In
the short term, so that CLAX doesn't loose critical mass, I'd recommend
unmoderating it - spam and all. It can be moderated again once the
technical and human issues are resolved.


Rod Pemberton


Frank Kotler

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Jan 16, 2010, 9:30:55 AM1/16/10
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Rod Pemberton wrote:
> "Frank Kotler" <fbko...@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message
> news:hi43sf$lt9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> CLAX is definitely
>> not dead!
>>
>
> The longer it takes, the more likely that "CLAX is dead" becomes true.

Good point. AFAIK, the wheels are in motion. Shouldn't be too much
longer... we hope!

> In
> the short term, so that CLAX doesn't loose critical mass, I'd recommend
> unmoderating it - spam and all. It can be moderated again once the
> technical and human issues are resolved.

That would be an excellent plan, if it were practical to do. In the real
world, what I understand would happen is that "the board" would send out
a control message to the nntp servers to unmoderate clax. The nntp
servers would ignore it... or not... at random. We would then have a
situation where some messages would appear on some servers, other
messages would appear on different servers, or not at all...

We had a similar situation when clax was first created. Note that it was
created anew as a moderated group - we ("they", I wasn't involved)
didn't (couldn't?) add a moderation flag to comp.lang.asm (the
"polluted" group). Some servers didn't carry the new group at all. If
they did, maybe they had the moderation flag set and maybe they didn't.
You'd see a message, reply to it, not see your reply... then see replies
to your reply... or replies to that... A real mess - took a lot of
correspondence between John Fine (I think) and "the board" and the
offending nntp servers before it was working right. At that, Chuck had
to post that "if you're having trouble posting" message periodically...

So for practical purposes, it is "impossible" to unmoderate clax.
Unfortunately. There's news:comp.lang.asm if you want an unmoderated
group - Nudds has gone away...

Best,
Frank

Herbert Kleebauer

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:51:30 AM1/16/10
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Frank Kotler wrote:
> Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > "Frank Kotler" <fbko...@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message

> >> CLAX is definitely not dead!

> > The longer it takes, the more likely that "CLAX is dead" becomes true.
>
> Good point. AFAIK, the wheels are in motion. Shouldn't be too much
> longer... we hope!
>
> > In
> > the short term, so that CLAX doesn't loose critical mass, I'd recommend
> > unmoderating it - spam and all. It can be moderated again once the
> > technical and human issues are resolved.
>
> That would be an excellent plan, if it were practical to do. In the real
> world, what I understand would happen is that "the board" would send out
> a control message to the nntp servers to unmoderate clax. The nntp
> servers would ignore it... or not... at random. We would then have a
> situation where some messages would appear on some servers, other
> messages would appear on different servers, or not at all...

Didn't the same happen when the moderator email address was changed?
I suppose, every news server which accepted the new email address
will also accept the new moderator state. And a news server which
didn't update the email address can't be used for a posting to
clax, so it doesn't matter that it also doesn't update the moderator
state.

And somebody could periodically post an unapproved message with an
immediate approved reply to clax with a message like: If you
see the reply but not the original message contact your news
administrator or post the "Path:" line from the reply to clax
using Google so somebody else can contact the news administrators.

James Harris

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Jan 16, 2010, 12:17:20 PM1/16/10
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On 16 Jan, 14:30, Frank Kotler <fbkot...@myfairpoint.net> wrote:
> Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > "Frank Kotler" <fbkot...@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message

If clax remained unmoderated for many months things might change but I
think many people realise a lot of work happens behind the scenes. If
not, perhaps others would apply to moderate the group. IMHO it's no
great hardship to use a.l.a for the time being.

James

Nathan Baker

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Jan 16, 2010, 6:56:57 PM1/16/10
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"Rod Pemberton" <do_no...@havenone.cmm> wrote in message
news:hiqn4i$3f2$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Patience is a virtue.

Although there are times I'd like to just walk away, I still believe that a
moderated CLAX is a valued asset that is worth the wait.

I have recently unpacked a shiny new gizmo. My Haitian Creole is a bit
rusty, but I think it reads "some assembly required" and "batteries not
included" on the side of the box. The parts are scattered all over the
kitchen floor, but I think I just need to make a few more trips to the
hardware store and some 'elbow greese' to make this here gizmo talk.

Thank you for your patience.

Nathan.


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