On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:43:12 -0000 (UTC)
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:35:10 GMT, Rod Pemberton
> <nomai...@trgzxcqvbe.cpm> wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:23:48 -0000 (UTC)
> > "Kerr-Mudd,John" <nots...@127.0.0.1
> >> On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:39:19 GMT, Rod Pemberton
> >> <nomai...@trgzxcqvbe.cpm> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:33:49 -0000 (UTC)
> >> > "Kerr-Mudd,John" <nots...@127.0.0.1
> >> >> [crazy rightist US view on what is 'leftist' snipped].
> >> >
> >> > I'm not rightist. Try again.
> >> >
> >> Depends where you stand;
> >> *I'm* a moderate, *you are* an extremist, *he is* a complete loon.
> > Yes, it does "depend upon where you stand".
> > FYI, *I'm* a moderate, at least, by American standards.
> > We - U.S. citizens - outnumber all of you in the U.K. by 263
> > million or thereabouts ... We also rival the E.U. in terms of
> > population (330 vs. 447). Our economy exceeds that of the E.U. and
> > U.K. combined by a few trillion. So, our viewpoints really
> > shouldn't be dismissed so readily
> Ah might=right; watch out for China.
China will implode. Nothing for us to do. Their policies, beliefs,
and practices are simply unsustainable. E.g., population peak and
crash about 2050 due to their one-child policy, their economy has
been fueled by debt since year 2007, China's currency manipulation of
the yuan is causing capital flight, their large trade imbalances with
other countries, their aggression in South China sea, their extreme
environmental damage due to rapid economic growth harming agriculture,
and their strong economy driving China away from communism, socialism,
and authoritarianism towards democracy and freedom, etc.
> > by someone in the U.K. or E.U., as was done by your political
> > leaders and citizens during Trump's presidency. The immense
> > disrespect shown
> > the our country, the U.S. president, and the people who elected him,
> > won't be forgotten any time soon. For every action, there is an
> > equal and opposite reaction. In the future, the winds will blow in
> > a different direction.
> Trump was/is certifiable; why people were desperate enough to want a
> "leader" with his lack of grasp of reality was incredible. That they
> *still* couldn't wouldn't see that 4 years later shows some form of
> mass psychosis.
Well, that's typical liberal bullshit. Isn't it?
I.e., I don't understand why you claim, without justification or
explanation of any sort, "certifiably [insane]", "desperate people",
"lack of grasp of reality", "mass psychosis", etc.
> mass psychosis.
As I stated previously, U.S. liberals were always to the left of me, and
U.S. conservatives were always to the right of me. I'm still in
the middle, conservatives are still to the right, and liberals are
nowhere to be found, so it was liberals went off the deep end. I.e.,
"mass psychosis" is the reaction by liberals, progressives, Democrats
and anyone who disliked Trump. Trump was very literal and simplistic in
what he said, which is one reason why 78 million people voted for him,
i.e., they saw him as truthful, not dishonest like politicians, nor
dishonest like urban liberals. Unfortunately, he was too simplistic,
terse, which resulted in ambiguity. The liberal media, liberals and
progressives pounced this ambiguity to read into or between the lines
to concoct negative connotations, like racism. E.g., Donald Trump
didn't know who David Duke was - unmentioned by the media for over 25
years now - so liberals incorrectly perceived that as Trump "not
denouncing racism". E.g., media reported that mainly drug traffickers
and MS-13 gang members were the immigrants crossing our southern
border, but when Trump states this, and mentions some good people cross
too, liberals and media call it "racism" (Mexicans are an ethnicity)
against innocent Mexican immigrants, families, children.
> Trump was/is certifiable;
In what way? (i.e., without specifics that's a baseless claim)
> lack of grasp of reality
In what way? (i.e., without specifics that's a baseless claim)
My guess is you really don't understand America, nor Americans, nor the
actual issues, as they're viewed by Americans, that happened during
> why people were desperate enough to want a "leader"
Donald Trump was only known by most Americans to be a successful
businessman and a reality television star. All the other negative press
about him was only known to New Yorkers (and non-Americans apparently).
He was viewed as a political outsider, who would clean up the perceived
corruption in Washington DC, and negotiate good deals. Donald Trump
used the **exact** same tactics to become elected that Bill Clinton
used, i.e., appeal to men, appeal to the heartland, appeal to union and
blue-collar workers, embrace the populist issues. No one ever
criticized Bill Clinton for that. Hillary chose not to do that, which
is likely a factor in why she lost. Maybe, if she had done just a
little bit of that, and she hadn't lost votes by offending coal miners
and unions in the process (more on that below), maybe she'd have won as
the election vote was close. Unfortunately, Hillary didn't have much
of a political message, after Obama's "success," other than "More of
the same everybody." That message fell flat for people who wanted
As for Hillary Clinton,
a) Young people were only familiar with Hillary Clinton's more recent
work on women's rights, perhaps the Benghazi attack or her email
scandal, and the fact that she'd be the first female U.S. President.
b) Older people were familiar with all of Hillary Clinton's scandals.
Hillary Clinton was a walking scandal machine with over 22 documented
scandals, where everyone around her was either arrested or died
mysteriously soon thereafter. Many people view Hillary Clinton as a
perpetual liar, as she is very easy to read when she lies, which she
does incessantly. American Christians notice this because they are
very truthful due to their Christian values. Hillary Clinton expressed
extreme anti-Russian aggression too. Many older Americans didn't want
Hillary Clinton to have the nuclear codes - which was her complaint
about Trump - because of her perceived anger towards Russia. Hillary
Clinton lost the support of many people in the mid-west just prior to
the election after she said the Democrats would put coal miners
out-of-work in favor of green energy. This affected the jobs of many
blue-collar workers, union members in steel and auto-work, and
descendants of coal miners. Coal miners are the reason that labor
unions exist in the U.S. The many millions of descendants of coal
miners occupy the mid-west, which were the states that flipped for
Trump as well as some surrounding states. Now, why do you think they
flipped? Did your U.K. media write anything about unions and coal
miners as a factor in Hillary Clinton's loss? No, they didn't ...
Ours hasn't either, neither the left or the right, as I read numerous
sources from both sides.
> You (US) have a big repair job ahead.
Yes, we do. Biden is not just ripping out all the things the liberals
perceive to be "racist," but is also attempting to rip out all the good
things Trump did for this country, that no other president even
attempted, nor will ever achieve again. How can you achieve something
when there is nothing left for you to achieve? ... Claim your
predecessor was a nincompoop. Destroy something. Destroy
everything. Start over. Now, Biden can claim to achieve something ...
My father calls this, "Flipping the table over, so you can take credit
for righting it." You can re-read my list that you snipped for some of
those things that Trump accomplished.
> People there seem to just want "the good old days" back, without
> putting any effort in.
Many of the people who voted for Trump were the exact same people who
voted for Barack Obama. If people "wanted the good old days back", none
of them would've voted for Obama. Everyone knew he was a radical
leftist or at least a liberal. So, I don't know what that means.
There was a large overlap of the voters, especially of white voters,
who voted for Obama since African-Americans (blacks) never voted white
prior to Joe Biden. Isn't that racist? In both elections of Obama and
Trump, large swaths of the U.S. population were neglected by prior U.S.
Presidents. Blacks (African-Americans) were ignored by U.S. Presidents
(prior to Biden) by both parties, and so blacks voted for Obama, for
obvious racial reasons, along with many whites. A significant
percentage of the white population and regions of the U.S. was ignored
by Obama for eight years, so white union members, conservatives,
Christians, rural whites, and white men voted for Trump. Also, those
who disliked Hillary Clinton because of her numerous scandals, and
her perception as a perpetual liar, voted for Trump too.
> No asm then.
Asm in a pandemic? ... I'm sure that people are just not in the mood.
So, I guess you get to talk to Skybuck, since it seems there are only
three of us here at the moment.
All programming Usenet groups I'm subscribed to are way down on volume.
So, why not politics for a while? U.K. politics anyone?
Didn't the U.K. back itself into a corner on this Brexit issue?
(James Harris and I had some conversations on Brexit on various groups.)