confession... :p
Ashley Hinton
mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
> i think i should make a confession... *poke*
*poke* you're really a sheep after all this time? :pp
> yesterday i did subscribe myself to several other newsgroups, so
*grin* same here, about 3 weeks ago - i got bored of them already so now
it's just akt and u-net.announce (my isp's announce group) :)
> the groups i subscribed includes: alt.sysadmin.recovery, alt.irc.recovery,
> comp.mail.sendmail, few comp.security groups and few more...
*poke* all geek groups, it seems =)
> suggestions what i should also read? :p
misc.sheep? ;)
> oh yes, now that i finally fixed my internet connection, even with this
*smile* cool =)
> it's 4-wire current loop if it makes sense to anyone)
*nods* we don't have them here, to my knowledge..
> mickey
--
ash
_/_/ <ash...@chal.u-net.com> <http://www.personal.u-net.com/~chal>
_/_/ "heh, i'm not just any bitch, i'm *jon's* bitch. ;)" - mel
Mothra
Ashley Hinton wrote:
> mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
> > yesterday i did subscribe myself to several other newsgroups, so
> *grin* same here, about 3 weeks ago - i got bored of them already so now
> it's just akt and u-net.announce (my isp's announce group) :)
Ooh, I subscribed myself to alt.utensils.spork.
Just wanted to share that with everyone.
--
Wendy
"holding back the fool again.." --The Smashing Pumpkins
* http://nj5.injersey.com/~wendy/ *
Ashley Hinton
Mothra <we...@injersey.com> wrote:
> Ooh, I subscribed myself to alt.utensils.spork.
> Just wanted to share that with everyone.
*thinks wendmothragirl is totally mad*
*has this confirmed by the above line*
*grin* *long hug*
> Wendy
Michael Lehr
In message <AEE47B7F...@chal.u-net.com>
ash...@chal.u-net.com (Ashley Hinton) writes:
> *grin* same here, about 3 weeks ago - i got bored of them already so now
> it's just akt and u-net.announce (my isp's announce group) :)
we're subscribed to our one but it's only really Tim who posts stuff
there and a whole lot of others which my dad reads but d'only one I
read is the teens one...s'very weird someone thought I was someone
elses sister cos we kept teasin' each other...
--
ali
Zen Zenith
Mothra <we...@injersey.com> wrote in article
<32C04D...@injersey.com>...
> Ooh, I subscribed myself to alt.utensils.spork.
Cool.... well, after you said it I subscribed my self to alt.ketchup.
Yay!
> Just wanted to share that with everyone.
Me tooooo.
> Wendy
--
\\\// Zen(c) 1996 WendMoth Enterprises inc - z...@thetemple.com
|O O| "My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
\~/ and the letters get in the wrong places." -- Winnie-the-Pooh
Mothra
Ashley Hinton wrote:
>
Took you awhile, huh? :)
> *has this confirmed by the above line*
It would be such a fun group too, but there are hardly ever
any posts.. I wonder if there's an alt.utensils.spoon...
I have to go check later.
Everyone, go out and buy No Code by Pearl Jam because it's
good and it has cool polaroids in it. And a scary one too.
Just wanted to say that because I'm listening to it.
Hey, I was just thinking of that weird infomercial guy who
wears all those sweaters, the one with "Amazing Products" or
something like that, and it's supposed to be like a tv show..
Anyone know him? sometimes I just want to smack him.
Cactus Jake Offenberger
Mothra wrote:
. Everyone, go out and buy No Code by Pearl Jam because it's
. good and it has cool polaroids in it. And a scary one too.
. Just wanted to say that because I'm listening to it.
Allow me to express my opinion here. Pearl Jam's music is just a bunch of
mindless ramblings which, if you listen to them, make no sense
whatsoever. Why do you think two out of three of their videos were just
them performing? Because the song's themselves had no meaning, except
maybe Jeremy's Spoken (which was just a Neil Young rip-off), nothing
they've ever done is original, it's all rip-offs off the grunge and
semi-punk bands (ie. The Pixies, Meat Puppets, even Green River etc.)
that came before them. Name any song and I'll name which song they got it
from. Now, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to buy an album for the
pictures inside. Just my opinion, no need to get nasty.
. --
. Wendy
"I hate Pearl Jam, so should you."
-Wanamaker
Cac
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <32C35D...@geocities.com> Cactus Jake Offenberger
<pg...@geocities.com> writes:
>
>Mothra wrote:
>. Everyone, go out and buy No Code by Pearl Jam because it's
>. good and it has cool polaroids in it. And a scary one too.
>. Just wanted to say that because I'm listening to it.
>
I hate Pearl Jam. I hated Ten. Eddie Veder's voice is quite annoying
as well. I wouldn't waste my 15 bucks to get some dumbass polaroids.
I have to disagree with that you think grunge is garbage. Nirvana is
cool with me. Yeah yeah i know you might think they're a binch of crap
but guess what I don't care what you think! I got the Muddy Banks of
the Whiska and it wasn't really as good as it was hyped up tp be. It
wasn't as good as lets say Inesticiden or In Utero. Yeah the videos do
suck that no new news to me. Around here those tickets for their only
florida show were sold out in like er.....um 7 min., well thats wht the
radio said.. -this guy named Josh
Mothra
Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
> I hate Pearl Jam. I hated Ten. Eddie Veder's voice is quite annoying
> as well. I wouldn't waste my 15 bucks to get some dumbass polaroids.
Dumbass polaroids? Since when is photography dumb?
> I have to disagree with that you think grunge is garbage. Nirvana is
What? I didn't quite get that.
> cool with me. Yeah yeah i know you might think they're a binch of crap
> but guess what I don't care what you think! I got the Muddy Banks of
Aren't you pleasant today.
Mothra
Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
> Allow me to express my opinion here. Pearl Jam's music is just a bunch of
> mindless ramblings which, if you listen to them, make no sense
> whatsoever. Why do you think two out of three of their videos were just
What? Have you actually read the lyrics? Sure, it *sounds*
like mindless rambling sometimes because it's all slurred
and stuff, but it definetely has meaning. A lot
of things sound like mindless rambling if you don't look at
the meaning behind them. It's like calling abstract art
a bunch of scribbles.
> them performing? Because the song's themselves had no meaning, except
> maybe Jeremy's Spoken (which was just a Neil Young rip-off), nothing
Hmm. Actually I think it's because Eddie Vedder hates videos.
Which he does.
> they've ever done is original, it's all rip-offs off the grunge and
> semi-punk bands (ie. The Pixies, Meat Puppets, even Green River etc.)
> that came before them. Name any song and I'll name which song they got it
> from.
Yeah, sure, okay..
> Now, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to buy an album for the
> pictures inside. Just my opinion, no need to get nasty.
Stupid enough? How is appreciating photography and art stupid?
A lot of albums are not just music, you know, they're whole
art projects.
Art is nice. When you appreciate n (try to) understand it.
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <32C468...@injersey.com> Mothra <we...@injersey.com> writes:
>
>Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
>
>> I hate Pearl Jam. I hated Ten. Eddie Veder's voice is quite
annoying
>> as well. I wouldn't waste my 15 bucks to get some dumbass
polaroids.
>
their photography sucks.
>
>> I have to disagree with that you think grunge is garbage. Nirvana is
>
that grunge is garbage.
>
>> cool with me. Yeah yeah i know you might think they're a binch of
crap
>> but guess what I don't care what you think! I got the Muddy Banks of
>
>Aren't you pleasant today.
>
You are right music does cause arguments.
Cactus Jake Offenberger
Mothra wrote:
.
. Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
.
. > Allow me to express my opinion here. Pearl Jam's music is just a
. >bunch of mindless ramblings which, if you listen to them, make no
. >sense whatsoever. Why do you think two out of three of their videos
. >were just
>
> What? Have you actually read the lyrics? Sure, it *sounds*
> like mindless rambling sometimes because it's all slurred
> and stuff, but it definetely has meaning. A lot
> of things sound like mindless rambling if you don't look at
> the meaning behind them. It's like calling abstract art
> a bunch of scribbles.
I've read the lyrics, finding meaning isn't exactly easy. Abstact art is
a bunch of scribbles, my graphic design teacher explained it to me, how
people slap paint or whatever else on paper and people call it abstract
art and sell it for big bucks, when they have no talent whatsoever.
. > them performing? Because the song's themselves had no meaning, except
. > maybe Jeremy's Spoken (which was just a Neil Young rip-off), nothing
. Hmm. Actually I think it's because Eddie Vedder hates videos.
. Which he does.
Then why did he make three of them? He quit because he felt he was
selling out, which we wasn't anyways.
. > they've ever done is original, it's all rip-offs off the grunge and
. > semi-punk bands (ie. The Pixies, Meat Puppets, even Green River etc.)
. > that came before them. Name any song and I'll name which song they
. >got it from.
. Yeah, sure, okay..
Well, you didn't bother to try me.
. > Now, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to buy an album for the
. > pictures inside. Just my opinion, no need to get nasty.
. Stupid enough? How is appreciating photography and art stupid?
. A lot of albums are not just music, you know, they're whole
. art projects.
.
. Art is nice. When you appreciate n (try to) understand it.
Photos of a band running around in flannel isn't art in my opinion. If
you want to see a real artist/musician, take a look inside a White Zombie
album. My whole damn future is based on a form of art, trust me, I
appreciate it.
"I thought you knew!"
-Old English
Cac
Cactus Jake Offenberger
Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
.
. In <32C468...@injersey.com> Mothra <we...@injersey.com> writes:
. >
. >Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
. >
. >> I hate Pearl Jam. I hated Ten. Eddie Veder's voice is quite
. annoying
. >> as well. I wouldn't waste my 15 bucks to get some dumbass
. polaroids.
. >Dumbass polaroids? Since when is photography dumb? I am just say
. their photography sucks.
. >
. >> I have to disagree with that you think grunge is garbage. Nirvana is
. >
. >What? I didn't quite get that. Well this other person decided to say
. that grunge is garbage.
You STUPID ass, I didn't say grunge was garbage, it's my second favorite
type of music for fucks sakes. I didn't need to buy the latest
exploitation on the death of a great legend, I already have all the damn
tracks on bootlegs, and Outcesticide III is the best Nirvana album, hands
down. Thank you for your time.
"Stupid fuckin' video clerk."
-Matthew Wills
Cac
Garrett Neese
Cactus Jake Offenberger (pg...@geocities.com) writes:
> I've read the lyrics, finding meaning isn't exactly easy. Abstact art is
> a bunch of scribbles, my graphic design teacher explained it to me, how
> people slap paint or whatever else on paper and people call it abstract
> art and sell it for big bucks, when they have no talent whatsoever.
It's easy to dismiss all abstract art as random scribbling for a quick
buck. That's probably even true of many abstract artists. But I think
it's more likely that when you go back a couple decades, before the
second-rate hacks and talentless frauds, there were gifted people trying
to pioneer a new and distinct mode of expression.
Garrett
--
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| co...@freenet.carleton.ca + "You say you got a real solution, well you |
| (ANA'S SPACE FOR RENT) + know, we'd all love to see the plan." - |
| Grey Matter Sold Here! + John Lennon |
Zen Zenith
Melanie H. Shapiro <sh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5a21fp$b...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>...
> Did I come out unpleasent cause all I did was tell ya my opinion.
> You are right music does cause arguments.
Yes you *did* come out unpleasant.. you said "You know what? I don't care
what you think"
Now if *that* isn't unpleasent...
Mothra
Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
> Mothra wrote:
> . Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
> I've read the lyrics, finding meaning isn't exactly easy. Abstact art is
> a bunch of scribbles, my graphic design teacher explained it to me, how
> people slap paint or whatever else on paper and people call it abstract
> art and sell it for big bucks, when they have no talent whatsoever.
I realize that people do that...I have this friend who draws a
line on a paper and she's like "Here, art! I'll sell it for
millions!" And I ask her what the meaning is but she doesn't
even know. But not all abstract art is like that. And you
can't say it is unless you see inside the artist's mind, which
you can't do anyway. To me, the lyrics have meaning. Of course
it's not *easy* to find the meaning, it's not easy to find meaning
in anything, but it's there.
I think you have to have a certain way of thinking to appreciate
things that aren't literally expressed. I was taking some
personality test thing last night because I was really bored
and it said I thought this way 100%.. Maybe that's why then.
> Then why did he make three of them? He quit because he felt he was
I don't know, but they've changed a hell of a lot since Ten,
when those videos were made.
Ooh, time to go off topic now because I just feel like typing.
MTV doesn't have a clue about videos anyway. They don't show
any videos that are truly meaningful. They just show what's
popular. I have yet to see Poe's video for Angry Johnny..
And they censored that too, something about blow up dolls...
> . > they've ever done is original, it's all rip-offs off the grunge and
> . > semi-punk bands (ie. The Pixies, Meat Puppets, even Green River etc.)
> . > that came before them. Name any song and I'll name which song they
> . >got it from.
>
> . Yeah, sure, okay..
>
> Well, you didn't bother to try me.
Fine then. Forgive me for assuming, but I don't think you
listen to Pearl Jam so I'll pick a song you've probably heard...
um... Hail Hail.
> Photos of a band running around in flannel isn't art in my opinion. If
It's not photos of them. You can't very well make comments
like that if you haven't seen it.
--
* W e n d y *
"holding back the fool again.." -the smashing pumpkins
* http://nj5.injersey.com/~wendy/ *
Mike Beggs
>Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
>. >What? I didn't quite get that. Well this other person decided to say
>. that grunge is garbage.
>
>You STUPID ass, I didn't say grunge was garbage, it's my second favorite
>type of music for fucks sakes. I didn't need to buy the latest
>exploitation on the death of a great legend
Oh, fuck, I almost died of laughter when they brought out the $ingle$
box thing... and when I saw From the Muddy Bank$ of the Wi$hkah... oh
dear oh dear... Could they be any more blatant?
Fugazi wrote a song about Geffen (that's how I interpret it, anyway)
that's pretty funny.
'...a thousand grunging young millionaires
forcing silence sucking sound
forced into this conversation...
the torch is passed
it's yours to return
lay it at their feet
now use it to burn
for marketing the use of the word generation
a false alliance of money persuading...
i can smell your heart
you're a target...'
Zang.
--
-Mike Beggs-
prithee, my dear
why are we here
nobody knows
we go to sleep
as breathing flows
my mind secedes
i bleed
- the Pixies
Mike Beggs
On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:23:46 -0800, Cactus Jake Offenberger
<pg...@geocities.com> wrote:
>Allow me to express my opinion here. Pearl Jam's music is just a bunch of
>mindless ramblings which, if you listen to them, make no sense
>whatsoever.
They're successors to Nirvana as the True Grunge Capitali$ts.
Actually, I think the $ma$hing Pumpkin$ have the title now.
> Why do you think two out of three of their videos were just
>them performing? Because the song's themselves had no meaning, except
>maybe Jeremy's Spoken (which was just a Neil Young rip-off),
Incidentally, I used to live in Richardson, Texas, where the real
Jeremy shot himself. I knew another guy who shot himself around the
same time and same place and Eddie Vedder mentioned him in an
interview. I used to love Ten and that song, Jeremy, because it
reminded me. But I've kind of progressed from Pearl Jam now.
>nothing
>they've ever done is original, it's all rip-offs off the grunge and
>semi-punk bands (ie. The Pixies, Meat Puppets, even Green River etc.)
>that came before them.
The Pixies! Yes! I love them. I got Doolittle the other day. In fact,
I'm listening to it now.
'...there was a guy
an underwater guy
who controlled the sea
got killed by ten million punds of sludge
from new york and new jersey
this monkey's gone to heaven...'
>Name any song and I'll name which song they got it
>from. Now, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to buy an album for the
>pictures inside. Just my opinion, no need to get nasty.
I don't know. I hate 'my music is better than yours' debates, and I
generally like a lot of music, but I agree with you that Pearl Jam is
somewhat corporate and derivative, and I don't really like them
because of that (haven't heard No Code, though, to be fair). I don't
know if it's their fault though... Could be coincidence, could be the
record label (didn't they have some great legal battle?), or it could
really be the money. I guess I'd hate it if someone accused me of
selling out and I was just being myself and getting popular by
accident.
Hmmm. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm tired.
Mike Beggs
On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:53:07 -0500, Mothra <we...@injersey.com> wrote:
>Hmm. Actually I think it's because Eddie Vedder hates videos.
>Which he does.
>Stupid enough? How is appreciating photography and art stupid?
>A lot of albums are not just music, you know, they're whole
>art projects.
Videos can be real cool too, though. Have you seen any Tool videos?
They're truly frightening. I think that's the only way to describe
them.
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <01bbf490$f11b8080$ce0956ce@neptune> "Zen Zenith"
<z...@thetemple.com> writes:
>
>
>
>Melanie H. Shapiro <sh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
><5a21fp$b...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>...
>> Did I come out unpleasent cause all I did was tell ya my opinion.
>> You are right music does cause arguments.
>
>Yes you *did* come out unpleasant.. you said "You know what? I don't
care
>what you think"
>
>Now if *that* isn't unpleasent...
andrea
In article <5a4rsl$m...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
deb...@ix.netcom.com(Donald Brown ) wrote:
> In <32C323...@injersey.com> Mothra <we...@injersey.com> writes:
>
> >Everyone, go out and buy No Code by Pearl Jam because it's
>
> Speaking of music, the other day my father bought Nine Inch Nails and I
> almost died from shock.
my mom saw nine inch nails. she thinks that trent's a babe.
a.
--
"Haven't you ever been in a fairy tale before?" Schmendrick the magician, _The Last Unicorn_
Donald Brown
>Everyone, go out and buy No Code by Pearl Jam because it's
Speaking of music, the other day my father bought Nine Inch Nails and I
almost died from shock.
Lyndsy
Mothra
Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
> In <01bbf490$f11b8080$ce0956ce@neptune> "Zen Zenith"
> <z...@thetemple.com> writes:
> >Yes you *did* come out unpleasant.. you said "You know what? I don't
> > care
> >what you think"
> >Now if *that* isn't unpleasent...
> cause I don't..any other things you'd like to point out?
That was even worse. Yes, there are things I'd like to point out.
There is absolutely *no* reason for you to come out and say
"They suck!!" if I talk about a band you don't like. I mean, you
have a right to your opinion, but that's awfully rude. And
if you do have to say that, at least say it nicely, and back it
up with something other than your opinion. Because, you know what?
A lot of people don't care what you think either. Now, if you
*want* to make this lovely impression, then go right ahead, but
I'm just saying, people don't regard you too highly when you talk
to them like shit.
La dee da.
Mothra
Mike Beggs wrote:
> Videos can be real cool too, though. Have you seen any Tool videos?
> They're truly frightening. I think that's the only way to describe
> them.
Yeah, I saw the one for Track #1. That's one of the very few
videos that are actually art. But MTV doesn't care about that,
they only care about what's popular.
I still want to see Poe's video for Angry Johnny. The uncensored
version. I want to see what's going on with the blow up dolls! :)
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <5a4rsl$m...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> deb...@ix.netcom.com(Donald
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <32C6AA...@injersey.com> Mothra <we...@injersey.com> writes:
>
>Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
>> In <01bbf490$f11b8080$ce0956ce@neptune> "Zen Zenith"
>> <z...@thetemple.com> writes:
>
>> >Yes you *did* come out unpleasant.. you said "You know what? I
don't
>> > care
>> >what you think"
>> >Now if *that* isn't unpleasent...
>> cause I don't..any other things you'd like to point out?
>
>That was even worse. Yes, there are things I'd like to point out.
>There is absolutely *no* reason for you to come out and say
>"They suck!!" if I talk about a band you don't like. I mean, you
>have a right to your opinion, but that's awfully rude. And
>if you do have to say that, at least say it nicely, and back it
>up with something other than your opinion. Because, you know what?
>A lot of people don't care what you think either. Now, if you
>*want* to make this lovely impression, then go right ahead, but
>I'm just saying, people don't regard you too highly when you talk
>to them like shit.
>
>La dee da.
>
>* W e n d y *
>"holding back the fool again.." -the smashing pumpkins
>* http://nj5.injersey.com/~wendy/ *
Mothra
Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
> Do you want me to say I'm sorry?
If you want to. I don't care.
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <32C6BA...@injersey.com> Mothra <we...@injersey.com> writes:
>
>Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
>
>> Do you want me to say I'm sorry?
>
>If you want to. I don't care.
Garrett Neese
Mothra (we...@injersey.com) writes:
> Yeah, I saw the one for Track #1. That's one of the very few
> videos that are actually art. But MTV doesn't care about that,
> they only care about what's popular.
MTV, to be as successful as it has been, has to reflect popular
opinion. If art was popular, it would be played more often. I think the blame
lies less with the people who put out the crap than with the people whose
interest and money perpetuates the production of the crap.
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <E36wy...@fsa.bris.ac.uk> th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk (Killing Time)
writes:
>Once upon a time, in a land far far away Mike Beggs wrote:
>: Videos can be real cool too, though. Have you seen any Tool videos?
>: They're truly frightening. I think that's the only way to describe
>: them.
>
>didn't find it really frightening, but then again I wasn't watching.
>"Woh, if I could move my hands that fast I'd never leave the house"
>
>Prodigy's "Breathe" video is something I would really want to play to
my
>sister to scare her shitless. It has a crocodile, which is kinda
scary,
>and cockroaches and stuff which are somehow scarier. And two members
of
>the prodigy, which is far *far* scarier.
>
>One of my flatmates remarked that if he lived in a room with a hole in
the
>wall leading to a psycho clown with a pierced tongue then he would
>probably end up like Leeroy (or is it not leeroy, I'm not so well up
on
>things). And conversely if he lived in a room with a hole in the wall
>leading to a big guy with stripes on his forehead and scary luminous
>cats-eye contactrs he would end up like Keith
>
>Apparently the Firestarter video is scary too. I've never seen it
though
>
>terry
>
>--
>I want to live, not matter how much it pains me
you haven't seen firestarter?I like the song it cool. I have, i don't
think it's scary...you'll agree when you see it.
Zen Zenith
Donald Brown <deb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5a4rsl$m...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>...
> Speaking of music, the other day my father bought Nine Inch Nails and I
> almost died from shock.
Really? My father buys Poe, Smashing Pumpkins or something and I'm like
"Argh, not again" :P
Not that I don't like Poe or anything... I just want a Nerdy dad too...
> Lyndsy
--
Zen Zenith
Mothra <we...@injersey.com> wrote in article
<32C6AB...@injersey.com>...
> Mike Beggs wrote:
> I still want to see Poe's video for Angry Johnny. The uncensored
Hmm.. I haven't seen it yet either. I don't get to see many music videos
'cause I don't have MTV.
> version. I want to see what's going on with the blow up dolls! :)
That's 'cause you're sick * W e n d y * m'dear.
Killing Time
Once upon a time, in a land far far away andrea wrote:
: > Speaking of music, the other day my father bought Nine Inch Nails and I
: my mom saw nine inch nails. she thinks that trent's a babe.
Yeah but your mum's weeeeeeeird
Killing Time
Once upon a time, in a land far far away Mike Beggs wrote:
: Videos can be real cool too, though. Have you seen any Tool videos?
: They're truly frightening. I think that's the only way to describe
: them.
I've only seen one, I can't remember if it was sober or prison sex, I
didn't find it really frightening, but then again I wasn't watching.
"Woh, if I could move my hands that fast I'd never leave the house"
Prodigy's "Breathe" video is something I would really want to play to my
sister to scare her shitless. It has a crocodile, which is kinda scary,
and cockroaches and stuff which are somehow scarier. And two members of
the prodigy, which is far *far* scarier.
One of my flatmates remarked that if he lived in a room with a hole in the
wall leading to a psycho clown with a pierced tongue then he would
probably end up like Leeroy (or is it not leeroy, I'm not so well up on
things). And conversely if he lived in a room with a hole in the wall
leading to a big guy with stripes on his forehead and scary luminous
cats-eye contactrs he would end up like Keith
Apparently the Firestarter video is scary too. I've never seen it though
terry
bleeding me
Ashley Hinton <ash...@chal.u-net.com> wrote:
>mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
>> i think i should make a confession... *poke*
>*poke* you're really a sheep after all this time? :pp
you never would get that lucky...
[list of groups i read]
>*poke* all geek groups, it seems =)
i had to do it... :p
>> suggestions what i should also read? :p
>misc.sheep? ;)
i'd eat my keyboard first... =)
>ash
mickey
Zen Zenith
> Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
> > >Now if *that* isn't unpleasent...
> > cause I don't..any other things you'd like to point out?
> That was even worse. Yes, there are things I'd like to point out.
And while she's at it, would you mind not putting your reply messages in
the middle of the original message, and maybe snipping a bit..
Searching for the reply in a message isn't fun... :P
> * W e n d y *
Okay, I'm done complaining.. what about you Wendy? Opps... I mean W e n d
y.
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <01bbf5c9$ec0e1c80$ce0956ce@neptune> "Zen Zenith"
if you'd like to explian that a little bit more I'd happily listen to
you. THE END.
Cactus Jake Offenberger
Mike Beggs wrote:
. On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:23:46 -0800, Cactus Jake Offenberger
. <pg...@geocities.com> wrote:
.
. They're successors to Nirvana as the True Grunge Capitali$ts.
. Actually, I think the $ma$hing Pumpkin$ have the title now.
Atleast Nirvana admitted they were selling out (or thought they were).
The Smashing Pumpkins are an "alternative" band.
. Incidentally, I used to live in Richardson, Texas, where the real
. Jeremy shot himself. I knew another guy who shot himself around the
. same time and same place and Eddie Vedder mentioned him in an
. interview. I used to love Ten and that song, Jeremy, because it
. reminded me. But I've kind of progressed from Pearl Jam now.
I meant the music was ripped off in a sense, not the lyrics. I stated
earlier that that is the only Pearl Jam song I can decipher any meaning
from.
. The Pixies! Yes! I love them. I got Doolittle the other day. In fact,
. I'm listening to it now.
Oh wow, me too. :)
. I don't know. I hate 'my music is better than yours' debates, and I
. generally like a lot of music, but I agree with you that Pearl Jam is
. somewhat corporate and derivative, and I don't really like them
. because of that (haven't heard No Code, though, to be fair).
Sometimes I just have to stick my nose in, I just can't resist.
. I don't
. know if it's their fault though... Could be coincidence, could be the
. record label (didn't they have some great legal battle?), or it could
. really be the money. I guess I'd hate it if someone accused me of
. selling out and I was just being myself and getting popular by
. accident.
The Rancid story.
. -Mike Beggs-
Cac
Cactus Jake Offenberger
Mothra wrote:
> I realize that people do that...I have this friend who draws a
> line on a paper and she's like "Here, art! I'll sell it for
> millions!" And I ask her what the meaning is but she doesn't
> even know. But not all abstract art is like that. And you
> can't say it is unless you see inside the artist's mind, which
> you can't do anyway. To me, the lyrics have meaning. Of course
> it's not *easy* to find the meaning, it's not easy to find meaning
> in anything, but it's there.
If an artist draw other scenes with near perfection (real artists don't
make mistakes), and they draw abstract art as well, then they're for
real, but if all they can draw is abstract art, then they're bullshit.
> I think you have to have a certain way of thinking to appreciate
> things that aren't literally expressed. I was taking some
> personality test thing last night because I was really bored
> and it said I thought this way 100%.. Maybe that's why then.
Those are a barrel of fun, although I can never inderstand what the hell
the results mean. This guy had on-line handwriting analysis thing, and
that worked out well atleast. In personality tests (and those teeny
magazing quiz things) it's like:
If you were a party and your friends all donned panty hose atop their
heads and began to dance around would you:
A: Join in
B: Leave
C: Continue with what you were doing
D: Throw yourself out the nearest window
Then I sit there looking at the answers, and I say to myself "What the
hell?, I wouldn't do any of these." Thats why I shy away from Personality
Tests.
> I don't know, but they've changed a hell of a lot since Ten,
> when those videos were made.
>
> Ooh, time to go off topic now because I just feel like typing.
> MTV doesn't have a clue about videos anyway. They don't show
> any videos that are truly meaningful. They just show what's
> popular. I have yet to see Poe's video for Angry Johnny..
> And they censored that too, something about blow up dolls...
I wouldn't know, I haven't watched MTV in 8 months.
> Fine then. Forgive me for assuming, but I don't think you
> listen to Pearl Jam so I'll pick a song you've probably heard...
> um... Hail Hail.
Which CD is that on?, I'll borrow it from a friend.
> It's not photos of them. You can't very well make comments
> like that if you haven't seen it.
I'll look inside the CD when I have the oppurtunity.
> --
> * W e n d y *
"Everybody likes Taz tonight, huh? Well Taz don't like one single
motherfucking one of you."
-Taz
Cac
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <01bbf5cc$bf802340$ce0956ce@neptune> "Zen Zenith"
<z...@thetemple.com> writes:
>
>Donald Brown <deb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
><5a4rsl$m...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>...
and I
>
>Really? My father buys Poe, Smashing Pumpkins or something and I'm
like
>"Argh, not again" :P
>
>Not that I don't like Poe or anything... I just want a Nerdy dad
too...
>
>> Lyndsy
>\\\// Zen(c) 1996 WendMoth Enterprises inc - z...@thetemple.com
>|O O| "My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
> \~/ and the letters get in the wrong places." -- Winnie-the-Pooh
try a father with a big ego.
andrea
In article <E36wy...@fsa.bris.ac.uk>, th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk (Killing
Time) wrote:
> Prodigy's "Breathe" video is something I would really want to play to my
> sister to scare her shitless. It has a crocodile, which is kinda scary,
> and cockroaches and stuff which are somehow scarier. And two members of
> the prodigy, which is far *far* scarier.
*laugh* i get a kick out of bands like that.
a.
the newest queen of oneliners
andrea
In article <E36x1...@fsa.bris.ac.uk>, th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk (Killing
Time) wrote:
> Once upon a time, in a land far far away andrea wrote:
> : > Speaking of music, the other day my father bought Nine Inch Nails and I
> : my mom saw nine inch nails. she thinks that trent's a babe.
>
> Yeah but your mum's weeeeeeeird
hey, what else do you know about my mum? she sure as hell is weird. for
one thing, i have no idea how old she is. she's fortysomething, i guess.
but she insists that she's twenty-seven so much that i ...ijust don't know
anymore.
hey! that wasn't a oneliner!
a.
andrea
In article <32C711...@geocities.com>, Cactus Jake Offenberger
<pg...@geocities.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't know, I haven't watched MTV in 8 months.
>
> > Fine then. Forgive me for assuming, but I don't think you
> > listen to Pearl Jam so I'll pick a song you've probably heard...
> > um... Hail Hail.
>
> Which CD is that on?, I'll borrow it from a friend.
good song, that. i've stayed out of the pearl jam suck debate because the
people complaning about how shitty pearl jam are just don't know enough
about them. i don't think they want to know enough about them, so i'm not
going to bother telling. :>
drea
Melanie H. Shapiro
In <01bbf5ce$a82e5f20$ce0956ce@neptune> "Zen Zenith"
>> Mike Beggs wrote:
>> I still want to see Poe's video for Angry Johnny. The uncensored
>
>Hmm.. I haven't seen it yet either. I don't get to see many music
videos
>'cause I don't have MTV.
>
>> version. I want to see what's going on with the blow up dolls! :)
>
>
>> * W e n d y *
if you wake up about 5-6 am in the morning you'll see it. At least I
did. You might be wondering why I am up then but I don't feel like
explaining it right now.
Melanie H. Shapiro
>
>> Once upon a time, in a land far far away andrea wrote:
>> : > Speaking of music, the other day my father bought Nine Inch
Nails and I
>> : my mom saw nine inch nails. she thinks that trent's a babe.
What so wrong with Trent. He has accomplishments blah blah blah. He
founded Nothing Record and produces quite a bit. Maybe you've heard
some of it like.......Marilyn Manson. Thats all I got to say. Josh
Mothra
Zen Zenith wrote:
> Okay, I'm done complaining.. what about you Wendy? Opps... I mean W e n d
> y.
Oh shut up Zen (c)Wendmoth Enterprises inc. :p
--
* W e n d y *
Mothra
Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
> In <01bbf5c9$ec0e1c80$ce0956ce@neptune> "Zen Zenith"
> <z...@thetemple.com> writes:
> >And while she's at it, would you mind not putting your reply messages
> in
> >the middle of the original message, and maybe snipping a bit..
> if you'd like to explian that a little bit more I'd happily listen to
> you. THE END.
Okay, now see how I delete all the crap I'm not talking about? That's
snipping. And sometimes when you reply you put the reply next to
the left over >'s, and then it gets all quoted and it looks like it
was written by someone else. Get it? Don't worry if you don't,
you'll understand sooner or later.
Mothra
Zen Zenith wrote:
> Really? My father buys Poe, Smashing Pumpkins or something and I'm like
> "Argh, not again" :P
I think my dad's going soft. He really likes his Counting Crows cd
and now he tells me to turn down Nirvana. I guess it comes with old
age. :)
> Not that I don't like Poe or anything... I just want a Nerdy dad too...
*grin*
Killing Time
Once upon a time, in a land far far away andrea wrote:
: > Yeah but your mum's weeeeeeeird
: hey, what else do you know about my mum? she sure as hell is weird. for
Not much really, cept for music stuff, like she took you to see pearlk jam
or something like that
terry
Who knows lots of people with weird mum's like Emma's mum's "so when is he
coming round again? I'm glad i wasn't in my pyjamas", or Polly's mum's
being a kids TV presenter. etc.
Mothra
Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
> Mothra wrote:
> If an artist draw other scenes with near perfection (real artists don't
> make mistakes), and they draw abstract art as well, then they're for
> real, but if all they can draw is abstract art, then they're bullshit.
What? How can you possibly say that? First of all, real artists *do*
make mistakes, because everyone makes mistakes and don't even try
and say some people don't. And why is it so important that they can
accurately reproduce real things, if they don't see them that way?
You still can't say that, because you can't see inside the artist's
head, and until you can, you can't call their work bullshit.
> Those are a barrel of fun, although I can never inderstand what the hell
> the results mean. This guy had on-line handwriting analysis thing, and
> that worked out well atleast. In personality tests (and those teeny
> magazing quiz things) it's like:
Ha, magazine quizzes. They're so stupid. "Are you a phone addict?"
"Is he getting your message?" Ugh. And I just *love* how they try
and make it real by saying like "You're watching 90210, and the phone
rings.." But "turn off that shit and go read or something" isn't an
option. Oh well.
> Which CD is that on?, I'll borrow it from a friend.
No Code. You've never heard that on the radio?
Mothra
> Hmm.. I haven't seen it yet either. I don't get to see many music videos
> 'cause I don't have MTV.
You're not missing much... Well, maybe if you like to watch episodes
of the Real World 10 times in one week..
> > version. I want to see what's going on with the blow up dolls! :)
> That's 'cause you're sick * W e n d y * m'dear.
Ha, *I'm* sick? *poke* You're the one who likes cartoon women,
Zen (c)Wendmoth Enterprises Inc.
Zen Zenith
> Zen Zenith wrote:
> > Okay, I'm done complaining.. what about you Wendy? Opps... I mean W e n
d
> > y.
> Oh shut up Zen (c)Wendmoth Enterprises inc. :p
Yes, but that's a copyright not my *name* W e n d y.
> * W e n d y *
--
\\/// Zen(c) 1996 WendMoth Enterprises inc
|o o| *z...@thetemple.com* *http://www.thetemple.com/Zen*
\~/ "I'm only happy when it rains" -- Garbage
David Hobson
mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
> >misc.sheep? ;)
> i'd eat my keyboard first... =)
*sigh* I knew they'd taken to putting edible paint on them, but this
is just desperation! *grin*
David
--
"Just call me Angel of the Morning, Angel. Just touch my cheek before you
leave me, oh baby, just call me angel of the morning, Angel..." - Pretenders
David Hobson Da...@nazca.dircon.co.uk
Killing Time
Once upon a time, in a land far far away Ashley Hinton wrote:
: th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk (Killing Time) wrote:
: > the prodigy, which is far *far* scarier.
: yeah, they are scary scary.. i've just got the firestarter cd single, and
*you* bought firestarter!
(but then again *I* went out today looking for marillion)
(and ended up with menswear)
: it's pretty loud and stuff. that's why i got it really, just needed some
Its a great stamping around too song. Their best one is poison though-I
wish I had been more in to the stuff when it ame out, but as it happened i
just sort of liked each song ('cept voodoo people) when it came out and
that was it, which happens a lot
: i also got that old t-pau album, you know - the one with "heart and soul"
Pfffft
: > Apparently the Firestarter video is scary too. I've never seen it though
: *grin* it's got mateyboy with stripes and stuff, looking like he's totally
: lost it (supprise supprise) but really enjoying being a nutter..
Hmmmm, thats the one that isn't keith then, at a guess. Apparently there
is a cat in ut too.
There was a great take on Keith in the Sunday Show on christmas day (which
was a wednesday, confusingly)
: ash headache. need paracetamol. and i'm waiting for a post of lee's to
I think its a great shame that the two best medicines (namely paracetomol
and alchohol) cannot be mixed (without making a new substance, hospit-ol)
terry
Cactus Jake Offenberger
Mothra wrote:
.
. Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
. > Mothra wrote:
.
. > If an artist draw other scenes with near perfection (real artists don't
. > make mistakes), and they draw abstract art as well, then they're for
. > real, but if all they can draw is abstract art, then they're bullshit.
.
. What? How can you possibly say that? First of all, real artists *do*
. make mistakes, because everyone makes mistakes and don't even try
. and say some people don't. And why is it so important that they can
. accurately reproduce real things, if they don't see them that way?
. You still can't say that, because you can't see inside the artist's
. head, and until you can, you can't call their work bullshit.
Wrong, artists real artists NEVER make mistakes when they are painting,
drawing etc. I've gone to numerous art shows and Winnipeg and witnessed my
graphic design teacher in action on many occasions. Ask any of them, they'll
say "Well, I kind of stopped making mistakes ten years ago," when you're
learning you'll screw up plenty of times. But once you're out and about and
considered a pro, you just don't screw up anymore. If they can't reproduce
real things than they are bullshit. I could take a paint brush right now and
put two lines on it and say it expresses my anger. Say it even does express
my anger, why the hell should it be worth shit?
. > Those are a barrel of fun, although I can never inderstand what the hell
. > the results mean. This guy had on-line handwriting analysis thing, and
. > that worked out well atleast. In personality tests (and those teeny
. > magazing quiz things) it's like:
.
. Ha, magazine quizzes. They're so stupid. "Are you a phone addict?"
. "Is he getting your message?" Ugh. And I just *love* how they try
. and make it real by saying like "You're watching 90210, and the phone
. rings.." But "turn off that shit and go read or something" isn't an
. option. Oh well.
I kind of stopped attempting to do anything of the sort after struggling
through the first one, which only had two optional answers, I just gave up.
"You're at the mall and see a really cute guy..."
"Umm, not my type of question."
. > Which CD is that on?, I'll borrow it from a friend.
.
. No Code. You've never heard that on the radio?
Hell no! The only radio stations around here are country and oldies.
. --
. * W e n d y *
"I'm your boogie man, thats what I am, and I'm here to do, whatever I can. "
-Rob Zombie
Cac
Mothra
Zen Zenith wrote:
> Yes, but that's a copyright not my *name* W e n d y.
Don't make me hurt you. :p
Anyway, I changed it so shut up.
--
Wendy
"The minute a man is convinced that he is interesting, he isn't." -?
* http://nj5.injersey.com/~wendy/ *
Mothra
Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
> Mothra wrote:
> Wrong, artists real artists NEVER make mistakes when they are painting,
What do you mean *real* artists? There are no fake artists anyway...
even the people who paint crap on paper and call it abstract art.
Because art is in everyone, so you can't very well call it fake.
> considered a pro, you just don't screw up anymore. If they can't reproduce
> real things than they are bullshit. I could take a paint brush right now and
> put two lines on it and say it expresses my anger. Say it even does express
> my anger, why the hell should it be worth shit?
Because it has *feeling*. Feeling. Feeling feeling feeling feeling.
And it expresses a hell of a lot more than a landscape of a lake or
something. Anyway, there's practically no need to reproduce things
exactly anymore--we have cameras.
Hmm. It's like saying that if a writer uses metaphors instead of
saying what they mean, that it's horrible writing and not worth
anything.
I don't think it's all that important to make things look exactly
like they do in reality. Looks are nothing, it's what else is there
that counts. Otherwise it's just a pretty picture, nothing more.
> I kind of stopped attempting to do anything of the sort after struggling
> through the first one, which only had two optional answers, I just gave up.
> "You're at the mall and see a really cute guy..."
> "Umm, not my type of question."
Ha.
Me neither. I don't give a fuck how cute he is.
> Hell no! The only radio stations around here are country and oldies.
ooh, fun.
Ashley Hinton
mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
> Ashley Hinton <ash...@chal.u-net.com> wrote:
> >mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
*smile* just put up the new yearplanner, with people's b-days, my holiday,
and other stuff marked =)
means 1996 is now really dead, gone, finished. *grin* all bar the good
memories and the friends i made lastyear :)
> >> i think i should make a confession... *poke*
> >*poke* you're really a sheep after all this time? :pp
> you never would get that lucky...
*sigh* thats a shame :p
> >misc.sheep? ;)
> i'd eat my keyboard first... =)
now _thats_ something i really want to see =)
> mickey
--
ash
_/_/ <ash...@chal.u-net.com> <http://www.personal.u-net.com/~chal>
_/_/
Ashley Hinton
th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk (Killing Time) wrote:
> Once upon a time, in a land far far away Ashley Hinton wrote:
> : yeah, they are scary scary.. i've just got the firestarter cd single
> *you* bought firestarter!
yes, *me* :pp
> (but then again *I* went out today looking for marillion)
softish "where are the 70's, man" rock spod?
i never thought you were inclined..
> : it's pretty loud and stuff. that's why i got it really, just needed
> Its a great stamping around too song. Their best one is poison though-I
> wish I had been more in to the stuff when it ame out, but as it happened i
i don't think i know poison at all, though. was that before or after
charly? heh, sad thing is.... i remember the advert with that cat. scary.
> that was it, which happens a lot
yeah, same here - it takes me years to finally get round to getting
whatever music i want, weird really.
> : got that old t-pau album, you know - the one with "heart and soul"
> Pfffft
*poke*
> : *grin* it's got mateyboy with stripes and stuff, looking like he's
> Hmmmm, thats the one that isn't keith then, at a guess. Apparently there
> is a cat in ut too.
is there? i never really watched it that closely (normally, when that
video comes on MTV i tend to be watching my power-amp for signs of smoke or
something *grin*
> : ash headache. need paracetamol. and i'm waiting for a post of lee's
> I think its a great shame that the two best medicines (namely paracetomol
> and alchohol) cannot be mixed (without making a new substance, hospit-ol)
damn shame, imo..
> terry
Ashley Hinton
Mothra <we...@injersey.com> wrote:
> Ashley Hinton wrote:
> > Mothra <we...@injersey.com> wrote:
> > *thinks wendmothragirl is totally mad*
> Took you awhile, huh? :)
oh, i've had this suspicion ever since you started posting. it seems all
the weirdpeople have come in at once, you, ali & jen ;)
> wears all those sweaters, the one with "Amazing Products" or
*shudder* amazing-discoveries.. we get it here, too, unfortunately not that
often. it's usually on satellite channels, late at night.
> Anyone know him? sometimes I just want to smack him.
naa, i want to hit the guy that does voiceovers for some of those
commercials. the "doezit handy hanger", for example :)
> Wendy
Lord Ventinari
sh...@ix.netcom.com(Melanie H. Shapiro) wrote:
> In <32C6BA...@injersey.com> Mothra <we...@injersey.com> writes:
>> Melanie H. Shapiro wrote:
>>> Do you want me to say I'm sorry?
>> If you want to. I don't care. ok i'm sorry
I felt I had to point out that this is a totally stupid conversation :)
But that's just my opinion. Do you want me to say sorry?
Bye,
~Daniel Ratcliffe I'm in a vindictive mood, so what?
--
<amalthea> Just purse your lips and blow Cos
*gtg* i have *special* acsess to many bits of kris :) But
<AshBunny> If i go, stop, i'm just playing with something
---A Daniel Ratcliffe Sheep Production (c) 1996 - 1997 ;)---
Killing Time
Once upon a time, in a land far far away Ashley Hinton wrote:
: > (but then again *I* went out today looking for marillion)
: softish "where are the 70's, man" rock spod?
: i never thought you were inclined..
They are less prog rock now, and getting more poppy.
I wanted 'Brave', it is (marillionily enough) a concept album, about a
girl who chucks herself from a bridge, or maybe she doesn't quite go that
far. i don't know because I don't have it yet, but anyway, i have 4 songs
from it and they are all capable of making me burst in to tears, so I sort
of think it might be quite an emotive thing really
: > Its a great stamping around too song. Their best one is poison though-I
: i don't think i know poison at all, though. was that before or after
: charly? heh, sad thing is.... i remember the advert with that cat. scary.
I do too, and I'm nowhere near as OLD as you are
I think charly was the first one, so poison would have to be after-I know
it was their 9th one, and 9th is later than 1st
andrea
In article <5ajhld$4...@decaxp.harvard.edu>, d...@fas.harvard.edu (Debora
Wu) wrote:
> >Not much really, cept for music stuff, like she took you to see pearlk jam
> >or something like that
>
> she's a nice mom. (yes, not mum. and definitely not mon)
> definite accent. she played pearl jam and the cure which i have decided
> is good driving music. she drives almost the same way i drive except
> i don't swear or sort of swear that much.
*laugh* hmm. yeah, my mom swears a lot when she's driving. i swear like
she swears, when i swear. which is kind of often. depending on the
weather. and the weather's been pretty gross, so..
> but yeah, she's weird. i think i like her. *laugh*
you hugged her!
;>
andrea
melanie
cactus jake wrote:
> drawing etc. I've gone to numerous art shows and Winnipeg and witnessed my
> graphic design teacher in action on many occasions. Ask any of them, they'll
huh. so you're a manitoban? scary shit. who the hell *are* you? hmm? and
what is your real name? cactus jake just doesn't sound real to me.
> . No Code. You've never heard that on the radio?
> Hell no! The only radio stations around here are country and oldies.
depends where you are, i guess. if you're out of wpg, i pity you.
mel
Riku Saikkonen
Cactus Jake Offenberger (pg...@geocities.com) wrote:
>If they can't reproduce real things than they are bullshit.
I mostly agree with this. Though I think that's it's _possible_ for someone
to be really good at abstract art and bad at drawing real things. But, yes,
it's very unlikely.
>I could take a paint brush right now and put two lines on it and say it
>expresses my anger. Say it even does express my anger, why the hell should
>it be worth shit?
But this is something I've never really understood. I think I agree with
that, but I'm not sure why. If a good artist does the same thing, is it
worth something? And if it is (I think it usually is), why?
I mean, if a good artist draws a line on paper, and a bad artist draws an
identical line, why is the line drawn by the good artist somehow `better'
than the one the bad artist made?
I've been thinking about this, and I think the answer is that good artists
are (much) more likely to draw `good art' (whatever that is, defining `good
art' is very difficult). And thus it's much more likely that a line drawn by
a good artist is `good art' than if a bad artist draws a line.
Which means that even a bad artist could make a really good piece of art,
just by coincidence. But a good artist has a much better chance of making
good art. (And, hmm, if a bad artist happens to make good art, is he a bad
artist anymore?)
(I hope that made sense. Yes, I stereotyped a lot, but that's because I
don't want to try defining `good art' or `good artist'...)
[magazine quizzes]
>I kind of stopped attempting to do anything of the sort after struggling
>through the first one, which only had two optional answers, I just gave up.
>"You're at the mall and see a really cute guy..."
>"Umm, not my type of question."
*laugh* Yep, same for me.
Purity tests are fun, though. ;) Especially the EE purity test that I found
in rec.humor.funny some months ago. "Have you ever turned on a transistor?"
;)
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"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places;
but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now
mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater." -- J. R. R. Tolkien
Riku Saikkonen
Mothra (we...@injersey.com) wrote:
>Cactus Jake Offenberger wrote:
>> considered a pro, you just don't screw up anymore. If they can't reproduce
>> real things than they are bullshit. I could take a paint brush right now and
>> put two lines on it and say it expresses my anger. Say it even does express
>> my anger, why the hell should it be worth shit?
>And it expresses a hell of a lot more than a landscape of a lake or
>something. Anyway, there's practically no need to reproduce things
>exactly anymore--we have cameras.
But... Conventional art is not about simply reproducing what you see. Far
from it. Painters don't make exact copies of their objects. They add, well,
feeling. :)
Then there's photography as an art form. Photos can have feeling too; but
the photographer has to find a scene with some `feeling' in it, while
painters have much more freedom to `add' things or combine things from
different places. (Which isn't to say that artistic photography is easier or
more limited than painting -- it isn't, it's just different.)
(I usually like landscapes and such more than abstract art. Perhaps mostly
because I like nature so much, but I'm not sure.)
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"When you gonna love you as much as I do?" -- Tori Amos
Mothra
Riku Saikkonen wrote:
> But this is something I've never really understood. I think I agree with
> that, but I'm not sure why. If a good artist does the same thing, is it
> worth something? And if it is (I think it usually is), why?
The art is uh "good art" if it has feeling behind it. And it's "bad
art" if it doesn't. I think it's bad art when it's just a pretty
picture
and nothing more. But that's just me.
> I mean, if a good artist draws a line on paper, and a bad artist draws an
> identical line, why is the line drawn by the good artist somehow `better'
> than the one the bad artist made?
If the good artist put their heart and soul into that line, but the
bad artist just put a line there, that's the difference.
What is it with the lines anyway? Abstract art is not just lines.
I don't think I've ever seen a painting of a line actually. People
are so obsessed with lines!!
> I've been thinking about this, and I think the answer is that good artists
> are (much) more likely to draw `good art' (whatever that is, defining `good
> art' is very difficult). And thus it's much more likely that a line drawn by
> a good artist is `good art' than if a bad artist draws a line.
I don't think there are bad artists and good artists. Someone's art
is just a reflection of their mind, and you can't very well say
"This person has a good mind, and this person doesn't" can you? It's
all too different to compare like that. Two paintings might look
exactly alike, but have completely different meanings. How can anyone
say one is good art and one is bad art?
Art is a vague word. Too vague. It's different for everyone, that's
what makes it so hard to talk about.
Mothra
Riku Saikkonen wrote:
> But... Conventional art is not about simply reproducing what you see. Far
> from it. Painters don't make exact copies of their objects. They add, well,
> feeling. :)
I know, that's what I said. Sorta.
I'm not in an explaining mood.
Ashley Hinton
d...@fas.harvard.edu (Debora Wu) wrote:
> is good driving music. she drives almost the same way i drive except
> i don't swear or sort of swear that much.
*laugh* heh, i don't want to meet andrea..
.... i want to meet andreas mom :>>
> but yeah, she's weird. i think i like her. *laugh*
*smile* well, being andreagirls mom means she _has_ to be cool :)
> debbie - oh, she lets me call her by her first name too
i don't think i've ever called any akt parent by "mr" or "mrs", come to
think of it. people seem to want me to use their first name, which is a
problem because i... ahem.. can forget sometimes ;)
bleeding me
Ashley Hinton <ash...@chal.u-net.com> wrote:
>mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
>> >*poke* you're really a sheep after all this time? :pp
>> you never would get that lucky...
>*sigh* thats a shame :p
it's not.
>> i'd eat my keyboard first... =)
>now _thats_ something i really want to see =)
but you're not going to see it... =)
>ash
mickey
bleeding me
how abnormal this is in states? it's "default" in finland...
mickey
bleeding me
Debora Wu <d...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>debbie - if i'm lucky i'll get zero caps again
you wont... :p
mickey
bleeding me
andrea <sil...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>my mom saw nine inch nails. she thinks that trent's a babe.
yet your mom things net people are maniacs... *sheesh*
>a.
mickey
Killing Time
: i don't think i've ever called any akt parent by "mr" or "mrs", come to
: think of it. people seem to want me to use their first name, which is a
: problem because i... ahem.. can forget sometimes ;)
I don't really tend to use parents' names at all, neither first nor last,
apart from the forgetting thing I just...don't use people's names much. i
am really terrible with names anyway. When i was going out with Polly if i
spoke about her to other people they had to keep prompting me. Parenst
either already like me or already hate me anyway, so things like the
relative respectfulness of how I address them are fairly academic
tery
--
I have no ideas, maybe I'm really ugly, maybe I'm not something to die for
after all
-'scream' Nut
i'm stuck in my ways
mika generalized:
>andrea <sil...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>>my mom saw nine inch nails. she thinks that trent's a babe.
>yet your mom things net people are maniacs... *sheesh*
she likes me. i think. i certainly *hope*.
so nyer. :p
debbie
--
we do not do these things because we want to.
we do them because we are compelled. - rorshach, the watchmen
i'm stuck in my ways
mika pouted:
>andrea <sil...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>>ch...@multiple.org (i'm stuck in my ways) wrote:
>>> mika generalized:
>>> >yet your mom things net people are maniacs... *sheesh*
>>> she likes me. i think. i certainly *hope*.
>>heh. yes, she thinks that you're a Very Nice Girl.
>it's _not_ fair... *tamps foot*
oh come on. with some estrogen pills, i bet anyone could
think you're a very nice girl too!
debbie - who knows mika's gonna get caps this week. :p
watch the headers quote..
bleeding me
i'm stuck in my ways <ch...@multiple.org> wrote:
>mika pouted:
being a honorary female and all... i mean i guess i still am...
>>it's _not_ fair... *tamps foot*
>oh come on. with some estrogen pills, i bet anyone could
>think you're a very nice girl too!
ugh... i think i'll pass... :p
>debbie - who knows mika's gonna get caps this week. :p
> watch the headers quote..
nope, the proggie doesnt count those coz i didnt type them... :ppppppp *pow*
mickey
andrea
> andrea <sil...@nwu.edu> wrote:
> >ch...@multiple.org (i'm stuck in my ways) wrote:
> >> mika generalized:
> >> >yet your mom things net people are maniacs... *sheesh*
> >> she likes me. i think. i certainly *hope*.
> >heh. yes, she thinks that you're a Very Nice Girl.
>
> it's _not_ fair... *tamps foot*
why, you want to be called a Very Nice Girl also?
drea
--
"you speak to me in riddles and you speak to me in rhymes." -sarah mclachlan
bleeding me
Killing Time <th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>: i don't think i've ever called any akt parent by "mr" or "mrs", come to
ditto. unless i tlk about them to someone else...
>either already like me or already hate me anyway, so things like the
>relative respectfulness of how I address them are fairly academic
hehe... black and white... simple.
>tery
drunk again? :p
mickey
bleeding me
Ashley Hinton <ash...@chal.u-net.com> wrote:
>d...@fas.harvard.edu (Debora Wu) wrote:
[dreas mom]
>> i don't swear or sort of swear that much.
>*laugh* heh, i don't want to meet andrea..
but you want to marry her?
>.... i want to meet andreas mom :>>
hmm... it's generally good move to get to know fems mom first...
>> but yeah, she's weird. i think i like her. *laugh*
>*smile* well, being andreagirls mom means she _has_ to be cool :)
damn it, now i want to meet her to be able to tell...
>> debbie - oh, she lets me call her by her first name too
>i don't think i've ever called any akt parent by "mr" or "mrs", come to
neither have i, actually i dont know... i might've...
>ash
mickey
bleeding me
[still dreas' mom]
>> >heh. yes, she thinks that you're a Very Nice Girl.
>> it's _not_ fair... *tamps foot*
>why, you want to be called a Very Nice Girl also?
you wish... :p
no, i mean why she has to figure a _female_ can be very nice while i
would bet she thinks as default males are very bad...
>drea
mickey
andrea
~shrug~ it's all ingrained stereotypes. nothing i can do about it.
drea
--
"you are either absolutely mad or you are joking." -bjork
bleeding me
andrea <sil...@nwu.edu> wrote:
>mic...@aeon.net (bleeding me) wrote:
>> no, i mean why she has to figure a _female_ can be very nice while i
>> would bet she thinks as default males are very bad...
>~shrug~ it's all ingrained stereotypes. nothing i can do about it.
yes, i know... just mention that for "noting"...
>drea
mickey
Killing Time
Once upon a time, in a land far far away bleeding me wrote:
: Killing Time <th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
: >tery
: drunk again? :p
No, but still a bad typist
terry
--
You should know, we're too weak willed, for our promises to mean a thing
Apes Pigs and Spacemen
bleeding me
Killing Time <th4...@irix.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>Once upon a time, in a land far far away bleeding me wrote:
>: drunk again? :p
>No, but still a bad typist
hehe... gee... :p
>terry
mickey
adrienne frances
In article <E3uxz...@aeon.net> mic...@aeon.net "bleeding me" writes:
* no, i mean why she has to figure a _female_ can be very nice while i
* would bet she thinks as default males are very bad...
like mine, you mean.
except i've told her how i feel about that and that as far as i'm concerned,
she can let me lead the social life i want to (within reason - i.e. have the
friends i want to have) or she can chain me to my bedroom.
okay, i didn't use those words. i said it a little better than that.. ;>
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adrienne