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Max Kennedy

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I have to repost this. This is just TOO much. Reads like a who's who resume
into questionable "mental" research, and work with various unspecified
government agencies and the UN. This is the person that is helping the
Clintons "talk to the dead".

IE, It's all there. The LSD research, the use of myths reminscient of Hitler
interests and the occult, the brainwashing/hynotism/music-ritual stuff, the
"Goddess" kooky religion/wiccan research, the government contacts.

Oh, by the way, one quote indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the president used
this person, who has been known to use both LSD and hynotism to put people under
so they can "talk with dead spirits".

----------------

Recent Books:


The Powers Of Genesis
A Few Reflections on Historic, Neural and Psychic Causes of the Bosnian Crisis
A short Excursus on Brains and Politics

Philosopher educator Jean Houston has been for the last thirty years in the
forefront of efforts to bring new knowledge from psychology and neuroscience
into education and human development programs. A former philosophy professor,
Dr. Houston has taught at universities throughout the U.S. and in many other
countries. She has worked with governmental agencies and the United Nations and
has been keynote speaker at innumerable conferences and gatherings of leaders of
business, science and education.

Dr. Jean Houston was the protégé and "adopted daughter" of the late
anthropologist Margaret Mead, who instructed her in the workings of
organizations and power structures in many different cultures. With the late
mythologist Joseph Campbell, Jean Houston frequently co-led seminars and
workshops aimed at understanding interrelationships between ancient myths and
modern societies. Dr. Houston has also participated in "think tanks" and other
such gatherings with leading thinkers of our time in a variety of fields.

Dr. Houston is author or co-author of a dozen books in areas ranging from
mythology and psychobiography to applications of her own and others' research in
neural and sensory re-education, creativity and innovative education. She has
been for three decades director of The Foundation for Mind Research, first in
New York City and now in Pomona, New York.

Additionally, Jean Houston has made cross-cultural studies of educational and
healing methods in Asia and Africa. Her principal areas of interest apart from
her work are theater, archaeology and the philosophical, societal and other
implications of contemporary physics. Dr. Houston's mind has often been called
"a national treasure" and she has also been described as "the greatest American
orator since William Jennings Bryan."

Jean Houston, Ph.D., is internationally known as a seminar leader and consultant
on human development. Her intensive, high-energy workshops blend myth, history,
philosophy and psychology with music, meditation and dance. High ritual
experiences are created that re-enact the great myths and help participants to
create their own story.

As past president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology, Dr. Houston has
taught philosophy, psychology, and religion at Columbia University, Hunter
College, the New School for Social Research, Marymount College, the University
of California. In 1985 she was elected Distinguished Educator of the Year by the
National Teacher Educator Association. More recently, she received the Gardner
Murphy Award in Psychology, the Humanitarian of the Year (1993) award from the
INTA and the Lifetime Outstanding Creative Achievement Award from the Creative
Education Foundation (1994).

She has written or co-authored fifteen books, including Public Like A Frog, The
Hero and the Goddess, The Possible Human, The Search for the Beloved, and
Godseed. In addition, she has worked at the grass roots as well as the highest
governmental and cultural levels in over 40 countries, helping local and
international groups and agencies in their quest for cultural growth and social
transition. Recently, she has been working with UNICEF to implement some of
these programs. Since the early 1980s, she has guided a year-long school in
spiritual studies based on the ancient mystery schools.

Books by Jean Houston:

LifeForce: The Psycho-Historical Recovery of the Self - 1980 / Delta (NY);

revised edition
1993 / Quest Books (IL)

The Possible Human - 1982 / Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc. (Los Angeles, CA)

Erwachen - 1987 / Droemersche Verlagsanstalt Th. Knaur Nachf (Munich,
Germany)

The Search for the Beloved: Journeys in Sacred Psychology - 1987 / Jeremy P.

Tarcher, Inc. (Los Angeles, CA)

Godseed: The Journey of Christ - 1988 / Amity House (NY); revised edition
1992 / Quest Books (IL)

A Feminine Myth of Creation - (with Dianna Vandenberg) 1988 / J.H.
Gattmer0Haarlem
(Holland)

The Hero and The Goddess: The Odyssey as Mystery and Initiation - 1992 /
Ballantine
Books (NY)

Public Like a Frog: Entering the Lives of Three Great Americans - 1993 /
Quest Books (IL)

Manual for the Peacemaker: A Native American Journey of Transformation -
Fall, 1994 /
Quest Books (IL)

A Mythic Life: Autobiography of Jean Houston - Spring, 1995 / Harter (San
Francisco, CA)

Marriage to the Soul: The Passion of Isis and Osiris - Fall, 1995 /
Ballentine Books (NY)

Books by Jean Houston and Robert Masters:

The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience - 1966 / Holt, Rinehart & Winston
(NY)
Psychedelic Art - 1968 / Grove Press (NY)
Mind Games - 1972 / Viking Press (NY)
Listening to the Body - 1978 / Delta (NY)


Max Kennedy

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Recent Books by Jean Houston:

A Few Reflections on Historic, Neural and Psychic Causes of the Bosnian Crisis
A short Excursus on Brains and Politics

--------------------

If ever there was a person that impressed upon me the idea of beinng a candidate
for CIA and involved in brainwashing, it's this person.

Psychic causes of the Bosnian war???

Max Kennedy
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Roger B Olsen

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In <DtIED...@iglou.com> mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) writes:
>
>
>I have to repost this. This is just TOO much. Reads like a who's who resume
>into questionable "mental" research, and work with various unspecified
>government agencies and the UN. This is the person that is helping the
>Clintons "talk to the dead".
>
>IE, It's all there. The LSD research, the use of myths reminscient of
Hitler
>interests and the occult, the brainwashing/hynotism/music-ritual
stuff, the
>"Goddess" kooky religion/wiccan research, the government contacts.
>
>Oh, by the way, one quote indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the
president used
>this person, who has been known to use both LSD and hynotism to put
people under
>so they can "talk with dead spirits".
>

It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to
believe that the Clintons are relatively good and honest. My support
for them grows the more I see just how little there is to the attack
upon them. The more I look into the "evidence" against them, the more I
see something far more sinister and corrupt. And that something is the
near total lack of credibility of the right wing. They have become much
worse, if that is possible, than in the past.

RBO

Max Kennedy

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William R. Bryant, Jr.
Michigan House of Representatives

(Never let it be said that Kookness is a one party thing. Dancing in the
moonlight naked with fireflies hovering overhead is an equal opportunty
pastime.)

"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of
individuals and of cultures in transition. I have seen her work in Africa,
healing a brilliant young shaman who had allowed his powers to become so twisted
and cynical after touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had ever talked to
him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman, to allow a higher power to
possess one and to use that power for good-honestly, and with love. She sees
through those who are charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age
drivel or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then she
laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."

Chris Kevlahan

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rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:


>>IE, It's all there. The LSD research, the use of myths reminscient of
>Hitler
>>interests and the occult, the brainwashing/hynotism/music-ritual
>stuff, the
>>"Goddess" kooky religion/wiccan research, the government contacts.
>>
>>Oh, by the way, one quote indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the
>president used
>>this person, who has been known to use both LSD and hynotism to put
>people under
>>so they can "talk with dead spirits".
>>

>It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to


>believe that the Clintons are relatively good and honest. My support
>for them grows the more I see just how little there is to the attack
>upon them. The more I look into the "evidence" against them, the more I
>see something far more sinister and corrupt. And that something is the
>near total lack of credibility of the right wing. They have become much
>worse, if that is possible, than in the past.

Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

How far in the past? Did you contact any dead presidents to reach
this conclusion?

Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Chris K.

Max Kennedy

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rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:

>It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to

I pulled this information off a web site selling books by Clinton's spiritual
advisor. I don't see that that is very distorted. Nice attempt at spin, I
suggest everyone do a yahoo search. She also runs a "mystery school" and in the
words of one prominent republican, is a really good shaman too.

>believe that the Clintons are relatively good and honest. My support
>for them grows the more I see just how little there is to the attack
>upon them. The more I look into the "evidence" against them, the more I
>see something far more sinister and corrupt. And that something is the
>near total lack of credibility of the right wing. They have become much
>worse, if that is possible, than in the past.

Believe what you want, everything I've said about the Clinton's "spiritual"
advisor is true. She also, by the way, advised a Mich.'s(?) head Republican, as
I've noted in anouther post with a quote from him. Kookyness is part of both
parties.

Having known a number of pagan types, and being aware of an exceptional amount
of such goings on in the democratic party, I am well aware that someone, such as
yourself, is going to immediatly deny this junk. I'm SICK of the DAMN LYING.

Putting guilt trips on people, and crying "witch hunts", for stating the truth
is base voodoo style propaganda. I'm tired of it, if you can't be honest about
your religion, it isn't worth much, except as a way to manipulate people.

Information on Clinton's spiritual advisor (or in the words of Michagan's
republican representive, shaman) is abundently on the web. Or you might check
out alt.magick, alt.pagan, and such groups for more general information.

Information about her "advising" both Hillary AND the president, or of a tape of
Hillary talking for a dead person made on the whitehouse lawn are in other
recent news articles.

This is also known as necromancy. I think the people have the right to know
about the character and decision-making process the president uses. Does that
involve hynotism, LSD, and going under trances from other people so they can
commune with the dead? While their spiritual advisor denies it, she does in
fact do this type of thing to other people, and I note I just saw their
spiritual guru lying on CNN.

IE: She said something about not being psychic at all, even less psychic then
Hillary Clinton. Strange, she's written a boatload of books on the subject.

How have we become a nation beset by liars? Yes, this is an attempt to muddy
the waters of the more important with the less important, but it is also true,
and it is shameful. Wonder if Vince Foster was a ritualistic sacrifice? Shame!
Shame!

At this point, if you're a Christian, I think a prayer is in order again.

Max Kennedy


Max Kennedy

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mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

Sorry, I cut too much trying to get rid of the gratius self-serving crap/title
of this person.

by The Hon. William R. Bryant, Jr.
Republican Leader Emeritus
Michigan House of Representatives

Are all of our politicians nuts? I guess they can afford to be, since they
don't have to work... just collect our taxes.

>William R. Bryant, Jr.
>Michigan House of Representatives

>"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of

Max Kennedy

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tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris Kevlahan) wrote:

>rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:


>>>IE, It's all there. The LSD research, the use of myths reminscient of
>>Hitler
>>>interests and the occult, the brainwashing/hynotism/music-ritual
>>stuff, the
>>>"Goddess" kooky religion/wiccan research, the government contacts.
>>>
>>>Oh, by the way, one quote indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the
>>president used
>>>this person, who has been known to use both LSD and hynotism to put
>>people under
>>>so they can "talk with dead spirits".
>>>

>>It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to


>>believe that the Clintons are relatively good and honest. My support
>>for them grows the more I see just how little there is to the attack
>>upon them. The more I look into the "evidence" against them, the more I
>>see something far more sinister and corrupt. And that something is the
>>near total lack of credibility of the right wing. They have become much
>>worse, if that is possible, than in the past.

>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

>How far in the past? Did you contact any dead presidents to reach
>this conclusion?

>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Crystal Power, Ho!

If you go quickly over to the Jane Fonda's TBS, you might catch the "Earth
Goddess Enviro Heros" cartoon saving the day. My my.

Max Kennedy


Roger B Olsen

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In <4qmev7$e...@news.internetmci.com> tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris
Kevlahan) writes:
>
>rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:
>
>
>>>IE, It's all there. The LSD research, the use of myths reminscient of
>>Hitler
>>>interests and the occult, the brainwashing/hynotism/music-ritual
>>stuff, the
>>>"Goddess" kooky religion/wiccan research, the government contacts.
>>>
>>>Oh, by the way, one quote indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the
>>president used
>>>this person, who has been known to use both LSD and hynotism to put
>>people under
>>>so they can "talk with dead spirits".
>>>
>
>>It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to
>>believe that the Clintons are relatively good and honest. My support
>>for them grows the more I see just how little there is to the attack
>>upon them. The more I look into the "evidence" against them, the more
I
>>see something far more sinister and corrupt. And that something is
the
>>near total lack of credibility of the right wing. They have become
much
>>worse, if that is possible, than in the past.
>
>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
>How far in the past? Did you contact any dead presidents to reach
>this conclusion?
>
>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
>Chris K.
>
>
>
>
No. Your response is all the contact I need with your spirit to reach
this conclusion.

RBO

Roger B Olsen

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In <DtIK3...@iglou.com> mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) writes:
>
>rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:
>
>>It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to
>
>I pulled this information off a web site selling books by Clinton's spiritual
>advisor. I don't see that that is very distorted. Nice attempt at spin, I
>suggest everyone do a yahoo search. She also runs a "mystery school" and in the
>words of one prominent republican, is a really good shaman too.
>
>>believe that the Clintons are relatively good and honest. My support
>>for them grows the more I see just how little there is to the attack
>>upon them. The more I look into the "evidence" against them, the more I
>>see something far more sinister and corrupt. And that something is the
>>near total lack of credibility of the right wing. They have become much
>>worse, if that is possible, than in the past.
>
It is not the info pulled from the web site that bothers me. It is your
perception of the info that bothers me. I don't know what you mean by
denying this junk. I see prayer (even christian prayer as you alluded
to), meditation, channeling, chanting, etc as all the same thing, that
is spiritualism and development of the spirit. I'm not religious or
spiritual. If you feel guilty about the kind of demonizing you have
been engaging in, then maybe you need spiritual guidance. And if you
have been seeking guidance and it is not working, then maybe you are
not the one to be "casting stones" so to speak.

RBO

Chris Kevlahan

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rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:

>In <4qmev7$e...@news.internetmci.com> tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris


>Kevlahan) writes:
>>
>>rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>

>>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>>
>>How far in the past? Did you contact any dead presidents to reach
>>this conclusion?
>>
>>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>>
>>Chris K.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>No. Your response is all the contact I need with your spirit to reach
>this conclusion.


Ooooooooooooooooooooh. Very snappy comeback. It rates on a scale of
K-12, somewhere around 2nd grade.

Of course that means you were prescient, because you came up with the
analysis before I responded.

BTW: I heard Hillary was talking to Nixon. He said: "tell'em your
not a crook." And then he burst out laughing when she hung up from
the psychic hotline.

Chris K.


Max Kennedy

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mus...@dimensional.com (Harry Langford) wrote:

>: >At this point, if you're a Christian, I think a prayer is in order


> Screw prayer. I'm stocking up on garlic.

My my :)


Harry Langford

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Roger B Olsen (rbo...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: In <DtIK3...@iglou.com> mken...@iglou.com ( MAD MAX ) writes:
: >yourself, is going to immediatly deny this junk. I'm SICK of the DAMN LYING.



See?? I told you so. You're taking it too
seriously. Don't *even* watch that FLIR video. :)


: >How have we become a nation beset by liars? Yes, this is an attempt


We *are* a nation of liars. :)


: >Wonder if Vince Foster was a ritualistic sacrifice? Shame!


That *would* explain the lack of blood,
wouldn't it?


: >At this point, if you're a Christian, I think a prayer is in order


Screw prayer. I'm stocking up on garlic.


: It is your perception of the info that bothers me.


Yeah, DAMN you, Mr. Max. Didn't you know that
when we claim executive privilege, we're NOT
claiming executive privilege. And we say we're
talking with Eleanor, we are NOT talking with
Eleanor. :)

Roger, get out that Max Kennedy doll and stick it few
times.

"OUCH!!!" "OUCH!!"

:I don't know what you mean by denying this junk.


Yeah, we don't know what you mean about "denying"
this junk. We NEVER MENTIONED Eleanor. It never
happened. :) (Actually, I'm kind of hoping that
they use the "it never happened" defense in the
FileGate stuff).


I see prayer (even christian prayer as you alluded
: to), meditation, channeling, chanting, etc as all the same thing,


Hmm. What about .... sacrifices??? After all,
my wife sacrifices fruit to Buddha. :) You okay
on "sacrifices", Roger? (RUN, SOCKS, RUN!!!!)


: spiritual. If you feel guilty about the kind of demonizing you have


: been engaging in, then maybe you need spiritual guidance. And if you

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


And we know RIGHT where he can find it, too.

Offer him the White House Discount offer, Roger. :)


: have been seeking guidance and it is not working, then maybe you are


: not the one to be "casting stones" so to speak.


But kerosene and CS are okay. :)


Max Kennedy

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rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:

>It is not the info pulled from the web site that bothers me. It is your


>perception of the info that bothers me.

Which is a very historic perception. Necromancy (talking to and channeling dead
people), and drug use for the NEVER been well received and has always had a very
bad name, even amoung non-Christians.

>I don't know what you mean by

>denying this junk. I see prayer (even christian prayer as you alluded
>to), meditation, channeling, chanting, etc as all the same thing, that

Nothing more needs to be said here.

>is spiritualism and development of the spirit. I'm not religious or

>spiritual. If you feel guilty about the kind of demonizing you have

Channeling demons.. poor choice of words here.

>been engaging in, then maybe you need spiritual guidance. And if you

>have been seeking guidance and it is not working, then maybe you are
>not the one to be "casting stones" so to speak.

Casting stones and stating the facts are two different things. There is not too
many people that are going to fall over bloody and dead from casting the truth.
Now, in Hillary's case, there may be an exception.

Hillary may have voluntary allowed herself to be brainwashed into a delusion of
talking to dead people, but it's not someone I want in the whitehouse.
Apparently, Bill Clinton was involved too, and THAT one isn't YET in the news.

Max Kennedy

Roger B Olsen

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Well, I don't know if there are spirits out there or if there are not
spirits out there. I do know some claim to be in contact with the
spirit of God and the spirit of Jeasus. Judging from their behavior,
I'm not so sure that is such a good thing to be doing. I am content to
judge behavior and am not particularly concerned about how or where
they got their motivation. And judging from the behavior of the
Clinton's I would have to say that whatever it is they did, it has
helped them endure the most aggressive and enduring assult in history.
They both appear confident, strong, secure, and happy. The spiritual
controversy also disproves the contention that they are sociopathic.
Sociopaths have no sense of spirituality. It also proves they are not
the hardened souls the right would like us to believe. The truth will
prevail. Those who are so sure of their guilt may be in for some
emotional and mental trouble. That is why a wait and see the proof
attitude promotes health. After all this time and investigation, there
is no proof the Clinton's have done anything illegal. And that fact is
beginning to wear on and bother some who are so sure of their guilt.
All they have at this point faith.

RBO

Alan Breck Stewart

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Chris Kevlahan wrote:
>
> rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:
>
> >In <4qmev7$e...@news.internetmci.com> tri...@clemson.campus.mci.net (Chris
> >Kevlahan) writes:
> >>
> >>rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
> >>
> >>How far in the past? Did you contact any dead presidents to reach
> >>this conclusion?
> >>
> >>Buahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
> >>
> >>Chris K.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >No. Your response is all the contact I need with your spirit to reach
> >this conclusion.
>
> Ooooooooooooooooooooh. Very snappy comeback. It rates on a scale of
> K-12, somewhere around 2nd grade.
>
> Of course that means you were prescient, because you came up with the
> analysis before I responded.
>
> BTW: I heard Hillary was talking to Nixon. He said: "tell'em your
> not a crook." And then he burst out laughing when she hung up from
> the psychic hotline.
>
> Chris K.


Wait, wait; I've just figured it out! Hillary talks to psychics, right?
Now remember that $100,000 in cattle futures? She told us she did it by
reading the Wall Street Journal - but that was just a cover story.
Clearly, she had an advisor on ag futures who was able to foretell the
future, predicting the daily high and low price with remarkable accuracy.
Hillary just put in her orders at those prices and - PRESTO; $100,000!
Or Blair did. Anyway, it was all completely on the level, so we can set
our minds at ease on that score.

Though one must wonder using the predictions of a bona-fide medium
constitutes insider trading . . .

Hey, another thought! Why not have her consult her 'advisors' on where
all the missing legal records are? Or maybe one of them could tell us
HOW THE BILLING RECORDS GOT TO THE WHITE HOUSE READING ROOM? Can't wait.


- ABS

Max Kennedy

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rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:

>Well, I don't know if there are spirits out there or if there are not
>spirits out there. I do know some claim to be in contact with the
>spirit of God and the spirit of Jeasus. Judging from their behavior,

[more dribble deleted]

Why don't you check out the Clinton advisers "spiritual past" when she was doing
LSD research as a professional in the 60s.

Then get back to me.

Max Kennedy


Charles

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Right on, Max. This whole business about the Clintons' "spiritual
advisers" is extremely troubling stuff, to be sure.

In <DtIED...@iglou.com> mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) writes:

>I have to repost this. This is just TOO much. Reads like a who's who
>resume into questionable "mental" research, and work with various
>unspecified government agencies and the UN. This is the person that

>is helping the Clintons "talk to the dead". ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>IE, It's all there. The LSD research, the use of myths reminscient of

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>Hitler interests and the occult, the
brainwashing/hynotism/music-ritual stuff, the "Goddess" kooky

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


religion/wiccan research, the government contacts.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>Oh, by the way, one quote indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>president used this person, who has been known to use both LSD and

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>hynotism to put people under so they can "talk with dead spirits".

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>----------------

>Recent Books:

[deletia]

>Dr. Jean Houston was the protégé and "adopted daughter" of the late
>anthropologist Margaret Mead,

Margaret Mead! Gee wiz!
As we now know, she was the victim of perhaps the most INCREDIBLE CON
IN THE ANNALS OF THE SOCIAL SCIENCES when, during her stay in Samoa to
study the natives' sexual culture, these same natives utterly
hoodwinked the "smart" and "enlightened" Western liberal Mead and
essentially bullshitted her at every turn regarding their ACTUAL
folkways. Apparently they were rather teed-off at her patronizing
liberal attitude.
The hapless Mead returned to the US after this trip thinking she had
"discovered" something significant about the coming-of-age process in
"idyllic" Samoa, and her liberal Anglo colleagues immediately crowned
her as "The Queen of American Anthropology."
Unfortunately, in her old age, after a lifetime of being regaled as
the epitome of what a "smart" should be, her biographer was able to
PROVE -- indeed, she as much as agreed with him, in fact -- that her
"ground-breaking study" of Samoan sexual culture was, in short, naive
trash. A tragic end to what everyone heretofore agreed had been the
"brilliant" career of the prototypical liberal academic.

[deletia]

>Additionally, Jean Houston has made cross-cultural studies of
>educational and
>healing methods in Asia and Africa. Her principal areas of interest
>apart from
>her work are theater, archaeology and the philosophical, societal and
>other
>implications of contemporary physics. Dr. Houston's mind has often
been called
>"a national treasure" and she has also been described as "the greatest
>American orator since William Jennings Bryan."
>
>Jean Houston, Ph.D., is internationally known as a seminar leader and
consultant
>on human development. Her intensive, high-energy workshops blend myth,

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>history, philosophy and psychology with music, meditation and dance.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>High ritual experiences are created that re-enact the great myths ...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds pretty Nazistic to me. Hitler was into all that mythology-
mixed-with-high-drama-and-"heroic"-music as well, recall.

>As past president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology, Dr.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>Houston has
>taught philosophy, psychology, and religion at Columbia University,
Hunter
>College, the New School for Social Research, Marymount College, the
University
>of California. In 1985 she was elected Distinguished Educator of the
Year by the
>National Teacher Educator Association. More recently, she received the
Gardner
>Murphy Award in Psychology, the Humanitarian of the Year (1993) award
from the
>INTA and the Lifetime Outstanding Creative Achievement Award from the
Creative
>Education Foundation (1994).

This is the "village" Hillary wants to propagandize the nation's
children with.

>She has written or co-authored fifteen books, including Public Like A

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Frog, The Hero and the Goddess . . .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


> Recently, she has been working with UNICEF to implement some of

^^^^^^
A U.N. connection, I see.

>these programs. Since the early 1980s, she has guided a year-long

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>school in spiritual studies based on the ancient mystery schools.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Books by Jean Houston:

[deletia]


>
> Erwachen - 1987 / Droemersche Verlagsanstalt Th. Knaur Nachf

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(Munich, Germany)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And they make snide jokes about Pat Buchanan's speeches sounding
better "in the original German" . . .

[deletia]


>
> A Feminine Myth of Creation - (with Dianna Vandenberg) 1988 /
J.H.
> Gattmer0Haarlem
> (Holland)
>
> The Hero and The Goddess: The Odyssey as Mystery and Initiation -
1992 /
> Ballantine
> Books (NY)
>
> Public Like a Frog: Entering the Lives of Three Great Americans -

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


1993 / Quest Books (IL)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What's the subtitle, "Channelling for the Masses"?

> Manual for the Peacemaker: A Native American Journey of
Transformation -
> Fall, 1994 /
> Quest Books (IL)
>
> A Mythic Life: Autobiography of Jean Houston - Spring, 1995 /

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Harter (San Francisco, CA)

Kinda like, "A Mythic Life: Autobiography of Adolf Hitler," one
supposes.

> Marriage to the Soul: The Passion of Isis and Osiris - Fall, 1995
/
> Ballentine Books (NY)
>
>Books by Jean Houston and Robert Masters:
>
> The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience - 1966 / Holt, Rinehart &

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Winston (NY)
> Psychedelic Art - 1968 / Grove Press (NY)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[deletia]

--
"Put that coffee DOWN! Coffee's for CLOSERS only!"
"You drove a HYUNDAI to get here tonight ... I drove an $83,000
BMW . . . THAT'S my name!"
"I can speak only to a Mr. or Mrs. 'Nyborg.'"
-- "Glengarry Glen Ross"

Max Kennedy

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From: "C.S. Mills" <c...@ConnectI.com>

> Wow! This association of Mrs. Clinton with Houston,
>who has thought about, written about, and spoken on
>almost all the issues that terrify ultra-conservative Christian
>males, leads me to ask: isn't having imaginary conversations

I'm not a conservative, I'm read quite a number of articles on LSD, and an
imaginary lawyer friends favorite words are "Hearsay, Hearsay" and "I've dosed
quite alot, I've dosed quite alot"

>with Eleanor Roosevelt, Ghandi, and such, pretty much the
>same thing as "identifying" with them?
> Not to change the subject or anything, but the man whose
>office is on the political par with the Presidency has been known to
>identify with some folks from the opposite spectrum; Newt
>Gingrich, our esteemed Speaker of the House, continues, as far
>as I know, to identify with Attilla the Hun, Machiavelli, Chairman
>Mao, and Sun Tzu.
> I consider it more healthy for my society for me to identify
>with Ghandi than for me to identify with Attilla the Hun,
>Machiavelli, etc. I'd get really concerned if Mrs. Clinton, say,
>identified with and held imaginary conversations with Atilla the
>Hun.
> C.S. Mills (c...@ConnectI.com)
>SEEDAWN

I HATE liars. I mean I REALLY HATE LIARS. While the press continues to spin
this away from the truth... Well, before I start quoting from every major
government researcher in the 60s, I think THIS one is pretty interesting, don't
you? This is the earliest case of remote viewing like experiments I've found.
She also seems to have done alot of research into what I'd term the usefulness
of LSD in brainwashing. Putting Hillary Clinton under in a trance so she starts
believing she is talking to some dead spirits is a logical extension of that
research.

Max Kennedy

-----------------

Excerpt from:

"States of Mind: ESP and Altered States of Consciousness"

by Adrian Parker BF1321.P37 (1975)

---

(Chapter 7, Page 134)

ESP in the Psychedelic State

Whether or not psychedelic drugs are objectively conducive to extrasensory
perception, there seems little doubt that, following their use, individuals
are more open minded to such phenomena. 76 percent of a sample of marijuana
users believe in ESP (Tart 1971), and 75 percent of a sample of LSD users
reported they were more open minded after taking the drug than before (Harman
1964).

One can explain this in different ways. It may be that the experience of
'other worlds', with their transcendence of normal space-time relations,
breaks down our logical defenses against such experiences as ESP. Indeed,
this in turn may promote an increased frequency of ESP experiences associated
with the drugs. Alternatively, the sceptic can use the same argument - that
psychedelics break down 'ego boundaries' between the self and others, thereby
promoting regressive, animistic beliefs. Only empirical research can decide
which of the two views is correct.

In an excellent review of the difficulties involved in such research, the
psychotherapist Duncan Blewett (1963) has suggested that the psychedelic
experience must first be 'stabilised' before an attempt can be made to
utilise it. Usually the state is not stable but rather a kaleidoscope of
images and feelings which are being discovered and explored. The self
dissociates from this and as 'ego loss' ensues objectivity is impossible,
which can result in either self-acceptance or rejection, culminating in an
experience anywhere between the psychotic and self-realisation ends of the
dimension. Obviously such psychological problems and feelings must be worked
through and resolved before experimentation can be tried. Another problem
noted by Blewett is that the psychedelic experience is often a fusing of
empathy and telepathy, but a non-verbal one for which research may need new
methods, such as being able to identify the 'feeling style' of subjects.

Even this may be a generalisation from a psychotherapeutic context. As we
shall see later, subjects will experience levels varying from the purely
sensory to the mystical, depending on the situation and the support they
receive. At a sensory level subjects may be too fascinated by novel
perceptions to become involved in dull experimentation, while at mystical
levels, ESPs may seem too mundane and obvious so that experimentation appears
a waste of time!

It is a sad fact that three out of four pilot studies seem to have been
grounded by these problems. Karlis Osis, parapsychologist at the American
Society for Psychical Research, reported a study (1961) in which he gave LSD
to mediums and asked them to do 'object reading tests' - to give information
about the owners of objects that were presented to them. Unfortunately only
one medium showed any signs of being successful and the whole thing proved
unsatisfactory because the mediums became too involved with and distracted
by their own personal problems.

Another study, by biochemist Roberto Cavanna and psychoanalyst Emilio
Servadio (1964), became virtually an exploration of methodical difficulties.
LSD and psilocybin were used and strict screening was felt to be necessary to
eliminate any risks to the subject, which left them with only three, two of
whom were supposed to be the controls for the one remaining sensitive. No
preparatory adjustment or prior experience with the drugs was apparently
given to help stabilise the experience. 'Improbable' qualitative materials
were used as ESP targets; a picture of a foot, for example, combined with a
wrist watch. A rating assessment of the degree of correspondence between
responses and targets (which is open to personal bias) was employed instead
of the usual blind matching of responses and targets, but no quantitative
evidence of ESP was produced.

The latest and most extensive study reported was carried out by the Dutch
researchers S.R. Van Asperen de Boor, P.R. Barkema and J. Kappers (1966).
While this seems to have been conducted in a proficient and meticulous manner
it appears to have been at the expense of almost total neglect of
interpersonal factors.

Having first tried LSD, they gave it up as too disturbing to work with.
Instead they administered psilocybin, which is less severe in its effects, to
their thirty subjects and followed it by Zener card guessing tests (for ESP),
object reading tests, and travelling clairvoyance tests. While there was a
definite indication of ESP in the scores from the Zener card tests, this
showed no significant difference from scores in the control sessions without
the drug. The other tests also produced some evidence of ESP but the scores
again were little different from those obtained without the drug, and their
two best subjects had claimed previous paranormal ability. Unfortunately
assessments also used ratings of correspondences which are open to bias.
Symbolic reprensentation seemed to occur with the psilocybin as, for one
example, one subject in response to an object reading test said the owner of
the object had the name of an animal, 'Wolf', when his name was Wolfson.

The lack of success is understandable when we note that the authors reported
that more than half the subjects were distracted by their experiences and
many were said to make 'psychotic remarks'. Probably the most interesting
finding was that there were differences between the ESP scores associated
with the various 'target persons', or intended agents, for the ESP
experience. This also seemed to be true of the ESP scores associated with the
three experimenters themselves, although no formal assessment could be made
of these findings.

Besides the neglect of relationship and interpersonal factors, a major
deficiency common to these three studies is the absence of preparatory
experience with the psychedelic drug which would have helped to stabilise the
experience. Apparently no previous experience was given in the Osis and
Cavanna-Servadio investigations, and only two out of the thirty subjects in
the Dutch series took the drug more than once.

But the remaining pilot study seems to have overcome many of these
deficiencies. This was a study of telepathy during LSD sessions conducted by
Robert Masters and Jean Housten at the Mind Research Foundation in New York.
Masters and Housten were experienced in the use of psychedelic drugs, having
spent about fifteen years in their research, and during this time they came
across occasional instances of what looked like ESP, which they found
sufficiently intriguing to inaugurate a pilot study.

One instance described by them involved an apparent travelling clairvoyance
experience in which a subject reported seeing 'a ship caught in ice floes
somewhere in northern seas', its name being given as the 'France'. Two days
later newspapers recorded that a ship named 'France' had been freed from ice
near Greenland.

Masters and Housten's pilot investigation had two parts; an ESP card guessing
series in which subjects attempted during their psychedelic experience to
identify the cards the 'guide' was looking at, and an image test in which the
'guide' tried to imagine a scene described on a piece of paper and the
subject also tried to experience it. Masters and Housten reported the results
of the card guessing separately for high- and low-scoring subjects, twenty
three of whom averaged 3.5 hits or less over their ten runs each. This is far
below what could be accounted for by chance, and since they describe these
subjects as bored and poorly motivated, it may have been a case of
'psi-missing' - where ESP is used to avoid giving the correct repsonse. The
remaining four subjects produced enormously high scores averaging a total of
8.5 hits for their ten runs each. These subjects were described as close
friends of the guide, better motivated and with a high degree of empathy.

Whether these scores are looked at separately or together, they could not
arise by chance except statistically at less than once in ten million times.
The only alternative to ESP is to claim that non-verbal or subliminal forms
of communiciation were responsible since the guide was often in the same room
as the subject.

The image tests were unfortunately carried out under the same conditions,
but these also produced an extraordinary high level of correspondence.
Forty-eight of the sixty-two subjects 'approximated' to the guide's image on
at least two occasions out of ten. The remaining fourteen were all persons
not well known to the guide, and they experienced anxiety or were bored with
the test. But on several occasions, subjects appeared to identify correctly
what the guide was experiencing even when he was unable to imagine the
target. Masters and Housten give a remarkable example of this in the
following case.

Paper in the envelope reads Guide imagines Subject reports
----------------------------- --------------------- ----------------------
1 Viking ship tossed in storm Same Snake with arched head
swimming in tossed seas

2 A rain forest in the Amazon Same, with some exotic Lush vegetation, exotic
flowers growing flowers, startling
greens, all seen through
watery mist

3 Atlas holding up the world Same Hercules tossing a ball
up and down in his hand

4 Greek island with small Same, but with an A circus
white houses built in earthquake, houses
terraced hills falling down

5 A sail boat off a rocky Same Sail boat sailing around
coast a cliff

6 Ski slope in New England A forest fire. A forest fire
white, with skiers Guide was unable to
sliding down imagine the ski scene

7 New York City traffic Same but with very Geisha girl in full
scene brilliant colours oriental regalia

8 A plantation in the Many images relating A Negro picking cotton
old South to pre-Civil war in a field
plantation life,
including a Negro
picking cotton

9 An arab on a camel Same Camel passing through
passing a pyramid the inside of a vast
labyrinthine tomb

10 The Himalayas - Same A climbing expedition
snow-capped peaks in the Alps

Whether or not we accept the Masters and Housten study as providing evidence
of ESP in the psychedelic state, it does illustrate the importance of the
quality of the relationship - especially in terms of motivation and empathy -
in this kind of research. Another distinctive feature of this study is that
it used guides who had helped subjects through their psychedelic experiences,
and therefore empathy was presumably high.

Because of the prohibition on psychedelics no further experimental research
using LSD to induce ESP has been reported, so the only remaining approach is
to observe it in subcultures where psychedelics are used illicitly. Stanley
Krippner, psychologist in the Maimonides team, and anthropologist Don Fersh
(1968, 1971) have made an innovative field study of ESP in hippie communes.
They visited twenty-two communities in the south-western USA and noticed that
'one common element which permeated them was the report of paranormal
experience'. Although Krippner and Fersh did not observe any of these events
at that time, six members of one commune paid a visit to the Maimonides Dream
Laboratory. They went into the laboratory sound room while an assistant chose
a target to look at. The group consensus opinion was that it was 'a machine
on which there were a lot of buttons'; the target was a typewriter. During
the second attempt the assistant tried to sense an image of a bridge and each
member of the commune was questioned individually. This time two of the six
said 'bridge' and a third said 'suspension bridge'.

This kind of research can possibly throw light on whether or not the frequent
use of psychedelic drugs in a free life style does promote an openness to
ESP, but it seems doubtful whether much more can be learned about the nature
of the relationship of the psychedelic experience to ESP without further
controlled experimentation.

Roger B Olsen

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I am familiar with LSD and some of the reseach that has gone on. It's
use can do some truely incridible things both helpful and harmful. What
is it about her past that bothers you? References also please.

RBO

Jim Kennemur

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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:00:11 GMT, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy)
wrote:

As opposed to the masses of the Republican Party who profess to
believe in life after death, a holy trinity, virgin births, the
ressurection of the dead, miracles, prayer and a pit of eternal
suffering and damnation.

Those witches sure have some goofy beliefs.

Jim

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A bumper sticker being sold at the Texas GOP Convention
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Y Rapido

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> >William R. Bryant, Jr.
> >Michigan House of Representatives
>
> >"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of
> >individuals and of cultures in transition. I have seen her work in Africa,
> >healing a brilliant young shaman who had allowed his powers to become so twisted
> >and cynical after touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
> >anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had ever talked to
> >him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman, to allow a higher power to
> >possess one and to use that power for good-honestly, and with love. She sees
> >through those who are charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age
> >drivel or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then she
> >laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."


rap: This is not only a picture of american congresman, it is a picture
of American People, and their profile -- that permits such an imbecile
and a cretin to rule in Congress and to tell them these witchcraft
stories as something that is to become American people's "bread and
butter" ideological matrix. Lame, lame, lame, shame, shame, shame, ...
on people who are too lazy to get off their butts and tell these
ideological perverts, shamans and demagogues to piss off!

Jim Kennemur

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You just described the NEW IMPROVED REPUBLICAN PARTY Rapido. I tell
them that every day.

Max Kennedy

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volt...@ix.netcom.com (Jim Kennemur) wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:47:36 GMT, Y Rapido <rap...@eskimo.com> wrote:

>>> >William R. Bryant, Jr.
>>> >Michigan House of Representatives
>>>
>>> >"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of
>>> >individuals and of cultures in transition. I have seen her work in Africa,
>>> >healing a brilliant young shaman who had allowed his powers to become so twisted
>>> >and cynical after touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
>>> >anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had ever talked to
>>> >him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman, to allow a higher power to
>>> >possess one and to use that power for good-honestly, and with love. She sees
>>> >through those who are charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age
>>> >drivel or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then she
>>> >laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."
>>
>>
>>rap: This is not only a picture of american congresman, it is a picture
>>of American People, and their profile -- that permits such an imbecile
>>and a cretin to rule in Congress and to tell them these witchcraft
>>stories as something that is to become American people's "bread and
>>butter" ideological matrix. Lame, lame, lame, shame, shame, shame, ...
>>on people who are too lazy to get off their butts and tell these
>>ideological perverts, shamans and demagogues to piss off!

>You just described the NEW IMPROVED REPUBLICAN PARTY Rapido. I tell
>them that every day.

This isn't Congress, it's a State house of representives. I suspect
this quote is old, so I wouldn't put any faith that the person is still in
office.

Max Kennedy

Max Kennedy

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ah...@cs.uml.edu (Andrew Hall) wrote:

>>>>>> Max Kennedy writes:

> Max> mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote: Sorry, I cut too much
> Max> trying to get rid of the gratius self-serving crap/title of
> Max> this person.

> Max> by The Hon. William R. Bryant, Jr.
> Max> Republican Leader Emeritus Michigan House of Representatives

> Max> Are all of our politicians nuts? I guess they can afford to
> Max> be, since they don't have to work... just collect our taxes.


>Is it any nuttier to believe in this stuff rather than mainstream
>religions?

>I see no substantive difference.

Well, then nothing else needs to be said. Dose up on LSD, find a payed liar,
AKA a CIA controller, and you're on you way to some old time religion!

> >> William R. Bryant, Jr. Michigan House of Representatives

> >> "In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and
> >> a healer of individuals and of cultures in transition. I have
> >> seen her work in Africa, healing a brilliant young shaman who
> >> had allowed his powers to become so twisted and cynical after
> >> touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
> >> anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had
> >> ever talked to him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman,
> >> to allow a higher power to possess one and to use that power for
> >> good-honestly, and with love. She sees through those who are
> >> charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age drivel
> >> or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then
> >> she laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."

>ah


Paul Havemann

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Roger B Olsen (rbo...@ix.netcom.com) sez:
: In <DtIED...@iglou.com> mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) writes:
: >
: >I have to repost this. This is just TOO much. Reads like a who's who resume

: >into questionable "mental" research, and work with various unspecified
: >government agencies and the UN. This is the person that is helping the
: >Clintons "talk to the dead".
: >
: >IE, It's all there. The LSD research, the use of myths reminscient of
: Hitler
: >interests and the occult, the brainwashing/hynotism/music-ritual
: stuff, the
: >"Goddess" kooky religion/wiccan research, the government contacts.
: >
: >Oh, by the way, one quote indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the
: president used
: >this person, who has been known to use both LSD and hynotism to put
: people under
: >so they can "talk with dead spirits".
: >

: It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to
: believe that the Clintons are relatively good and honest. My support


: for them grows the more I see just how little there is to the attack
: upon them. The more I look into the "evidence" against them, the more I
: see something far more sinister and corrupt. And that something is the
: near total lack of credibility of the right wing. They have become much
: worse, if that is possible, than in the past.

That's understandable -- however, in the interest of fairness, you
_should_ acknowledge that "the right wing" isn't some monolith, and
that many Republicans are saying, out loud, that there's nothing to this
incident.

Also, it's fair to ask you whether your opinion of the Clintons is as
unshakeable given the FBI files incident. Given that the right wing had
*nothing to do* with the FBI files -- they didn't plant them there; the
White House did that _all on its own_ -- do you feel there's "little"
to _that_ story? Is your support still growing?

And if so, why?

=-=-=-=-=-=

Paul Havemann (pa...@hsh.com)

<disclaimer> I don't speak for my employer. </disclaimer>

Here. Try this little government program. It'll ease your pain.
The first bag is free.
- mcc...@netcom.com (Michael McClary) in <mcclaryD...@netcom.com>

Aholibamah

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In article <DtIED...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>indicates that Hillary Clinton AND the president used this person
>so they can "talk with dead spirits".
>

And if they WERE really successful,
just what message would VINCE FOSTER
have to deliver to them at this point?

A politician who can murder his best friend
has little trouble with popular opinion,
let alone a cheatin' wife...

Max Kennedy

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Some random words on Jean Houston
The Clinton's "spiritual" advisor:

She was payed by the government to research LSD in the 60s, discovered
there was 4 levels of mental functioning while on LSD, including one
involving myths, and the next involving integration of the same and "religious"
experience. She then proceeded to get very interested in myths, and myth
creation, which eventually lead to her interest in religions, and the founding
of her mystery school. Later she would go on to work with Hillary and Bill
Clinton in the whitehouse, although she denies she used hypnotism or LSD
on them.

The rumors that the CIA sponsered the LSD research in the
60s, manafactured the LSD researchers used, discovered that myths
and settings (focus) was most useful under LSD to change (brainwash)
a person, and continued the research into religion*1 , which intergrats the
two in the most useful way, in the 70s, such as Jonestown.. are all a myth.

Of course.

Which may be why Jean Houston's autobiography is called: A mythic life.
While it has nothing to do with the above, it would be a pretty good play
on the word myth as used in the intelligence community.

*1 Just as the Nazis discovered the use of the occult.

Note1: Hillary Clinton apparently believed she was communing with a dead person,
and was tape recorded doing so. What is the difference between a delusion
and brainwashing when someone is directing your delusion?

Note2: This is a complicated story to be sure. This is just a brief sketch
so I don't keep anyone dangling. Interesting in itself.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sketchpad:

1. Jean believes in putting people in trances, under LSD and Hynotism,
but denies she did it with Hillary Clinton and the President. AP Jun23

2. Jean denies she tried to get kids on LSD when she did
research for the government. AP Jun24

3. Jean's book-flap biography says she is into neural and sensory
re-education, among other things. (things that make you say HMM)

4. Jean Houston is praised for her Shaman abilities by Michagan
Republican, a quote from her mystery school.

5. An example of government acid getting to Jean Houston.

6. Anouther example of government acid getting to Jean Houston.

7. A Jean Houston book

8. Praise of anouther Houston book by Hoffman in 'My Problem Child'.

9. A list of books by Houston

10. A description of the states of LSD, and the use of myths.

11. A random interesting file on LSD and ESP research by Houston,
apparently done after LSD was outlawed for recreational use. May be
a precusor to the later remote viewing projects.

-------------------------------

WASHINGTON (Jun 23, 1996 8:47 p.m. EDT)
[...]

Houston believed in putting people into trances and has used hypnosis
and, for a period in the 1960s, conducted experiments with LSD. "But
she tried to be careful with Hillary and the president, intentionally
avoiding any of those techniques," Woodward wrote.

------------------------------

5:48 PM (ET) 6/24
POMONA, N.Y. (AP) --
[...]
In the early 1960s, Houston did government-sponsored research on
LSD but dismisses suggestions that she embraced it as a
consciousness-raising drug. "We were trying to get kids off of
drugs," she said.

Ed Note: Right!!

-----------------------------------------
Biography for/on Books

Dr. Houston is author or co-author of a dozen books in areas ranging from
mythology and psychobiography to applications of her own and others' research in
neural and sensory re-education, creativity and innovative education. She has
been for three decades director of The Foundation for Mind Research, first in
New York City and now in Pomona, New York.

Neural and sensory re-education?

--------------------------------------
From a letter of recomendation of her Mystery School

Since the early 1980s, she has guided a year-long school in


spiritual studies based on the ancient mystery schools.

Says William R. Bryant, Jr.,
Republican Leader Emeritus,
Michigan House of Representatives

"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of
individuals and of cultures in transition. I have seen her work in Africa,
healing a brilliant young shaman who had allowed his powers to become so twisted
and cynical after touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had ever talked to
him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman, to allow a higher power to
possess one and to use that power for good-honestly, and with love. She sees
through those who are charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age

drivel or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then she


laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."

-------------------------------------
Government Acid

RE-EXAMINING LSD
by Gene Ira Katz

Shortly after the inauguration of John F. Kennedy, in 1960, a pediatrician
named John Beresford acquired a gram of LSD, 40,000 doses, which he shared
with an acquaintance, Michael Hollingshead. Beresford went on to create a
scientific trust for LSD research in New York City with Jean Houston. Their
invaluable work is preserved in Houston's book, with Robert Masters, The
Varieties of Psychedelic Experience.

Ed Note: How does one "acquire" 40,000 doses of LSD at this time when
only the CIA is producing it?

----------------------------------------
Government Acid again

Acid Dreams
Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain

Jean Houstan was the protégé and "adopted daughter" of the late
anthropologist Margaret Mead, and Mead's mate was Gregory Bateson:

Gregory Bateson was a member of the Research and Analysis Branch
of the OSS, forerunner of the CIA. According to ACID DREAMS, by
Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain, Bateson was turned on to LSD by
Dr. Harold Abramson, one of the CIA's chief LSD specialists.


---------------------------------------
Book Cite

R.E.L. Masters and Jean Houston


The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience

Discussion of psychotherapeutic possibilities of LSD and techniques.

----------------------------------------
Book Cite

Albert Hoffman
From "My Problem Child"

LSD sessions had reportedly provoked extraordinary aesthetic experiences
and granted new insights into the essence of the creative process. Artists
were influenced in their creative work in unconventional ways. A particular
type of art developed that has become known as psychedelic art. It
comprises creations produced under the influenced of LSD and other
psychedelic drugs, whereby the drugs acted as stimulus and source of
inspiration. The standard publication in this field is the book by Robert
E. L. Masters and Jean Houston, Psychedelic Art (Balance House, 1968).

------------------------------------

More Books by Jean Houston:

LifeForce: The Psycho-Historical Recovery of the Self - 1980 / Delta (NY);
The Possible Human - 1982 / Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc. (Los Angeles, CA)
Erwachen - 1987 / Droemersche Verlagsanstalt Th. Knaur Nachf (Munich,
The Search for the Beloved: Journeys in Sacred Psychology - 1987 / JeremyP.
Godseed: The Journey of Christ - 1988 / Amity House (NY); revised edition


A Feminine Myth of Creation - (with Dianna Vandenberg) 1988 / J.H.

The Hero and The Goddess: The Odyssey as Mystery and Initiation - 1992 /

Public Like a Frog: Entering the Lives of Three Great Americans - 1993 /


Manual for the Peacemaker: A Native American Journey of Transformation -

A Mythic Life: Autobiography of Jean Houston - Spring, 1995 / Harter (San


Marriage to the Soul: The Passion of Isis and Osiris - Fall, 1995 /

Books by Jean Houston and Robert Masters:

The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience - 1966 / Holt, Rinehart & Winston


Psychedelic Art - 1968 / Grove Press (NY)

Mind Games - 1972 / Viking Press (NY)
Listening to the Body - 1978 / Delta (NY)


----------------------------------------------


THE EFFECTS OF PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE ON LANGUAGE FUNCTIONING
STANLEY KRIPPNER, Ph.D.

One of the more successful attempts to organize subjective reports of
psychedelic experience has been made by R. E. L. Masters and Jean Houston
(1966). Having guided and observed 206 subjects through a large number of
LSD and peyote sessions, Masters and Houston proposed the existence of four
levels of mental functioning in the psychedelic state: sensory,
recollective-analytic, symbolic, and integral.

At the first, or sensory, level, the subject may report a changed awareness
of the body, unusual ways of experiencing space and time, heightened sense
impressions, synesthesia ("feeling sounds," "hearing color"), and---with
the eyes closed---vivid visual imagery. Experiences at the sensory level
tend to "decondition" a subject, to loosen his habitual conceptions, and to
ease the rigidity of his past imprinting.

At the second, or recollective-analytic, level, the subject's reactions
become more emotionally intense. He may relive periods of his life. He may
formulate insights into himself, his work, and his personal relationships.

Only 40 per cent of Masters and Houston's subjects reached the third, or
symbolic, level. At this level, visual imagery generally involves history
and legend, or the subject may recapitulate the evolutionary process,
developing from primordial protoplasm to man. He may also embark upon a
"ritual of passage" and imagine himself participating in a baptismal
ceremony or a puberty rite.

Eleven per cent of Masters and Houston's subjects reached the fourth, or
integral, level, at which religious or mystical experiences occur. Masters
and Houston have described the religious experience as a confrontation with
"the Ground of Being"; they contrast it with mystical experience, which
they see as a dissolution, as a merging of the individual with the energy
field of the universe. One woman related, "All around and passing through
me was the Light, a trillion atomized crystals shimmering in the blinding
incandescence."

[...]
Mythic Level

The verbal reports associated with the recollective-analytic and symbolic
levels are somewhat different. For example, one subject at the
recollective-analytic level reported the insight to Masters and Houston, "I
have never been in love with my own body. In fact, I believe that a major
emotional problem in my life is that I have always disliked it." At the
symbolic level, a number of subjects experience bodily sensations in terms
of a mythic drama. One anthropologist reported going through a Haitian
transformation rite in which his body began to take on aspects of a tiger (
Masters and Houston, 966, pp.76-78).

[...]

An individual attempting to write descriptions of psychedelic experience at
the symbolic level has the difficult job of choosing verbal terms that
convey some sense of his mythic encounters. This formidable task was well
handled by an attorney in the following way (Masters and Houston, 1966, pp.
221-22 ):

I saw Jesus crucified and Peter martyred. I watched the early
Christians die in the arena while others moved hurriedly through
the Roman back streets, spreading Christ's doctrine. I stood by
when Constantine gaped at the vision of the cross in the sky. I
saw Rome fall and the Dark Ages begin, and observed as little
crossed twigs were tacked up as the only hope in ten thousand
wretched hovels. I watched peasants trample it under their feet
in some obscene forest rite, while, across the sea in Byzantium,
they glorified it in jeweled mosaics and great domed cathedrals.

The attorney's written description is imaginative, yet fairly concrete,
just as the mythical world is concrete. The linguistic consciousness of
primitive man is non-abstract; its concreteness is marked by a concrescence
of name and thing (as exemplified by the various types of name taboos).

[...]

Conclusion

The emergence of professional and public interest in psychedelic substances
coincides with the shift in human communication from the
chirographic-typographic to the electronic stage. Just as electronic
devices have begun to "re-tribalize" the world and convey a sense of
simultaneity to human experience, so the LSD user often engages in mythic
episodes, senses a "unity of all peoples," and has an impression that
everything is happening "all at once"-in a nonlinear manner.


-----------------------------------------

LSD/ESP research, about the time that "remote viewing"
first became considered.

Excerpt from:

---

(Chapter 7, Page 134)


--------
END
--------


Max Kennedy

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I pasted this together a little too fast, and I left out some books:

(This still isn't a complete list of books/articles by Jean Houston,
Shaman/Guru to Hillary Clinton)

--------------------

The Powers Of Genesis

A Few Reflections on Historic, Neural and Psychic Causes of the Bosnian Crisis

Hmm? Useful myths to exploit in propaganda, or just your average coffee

table type book? Just remember, it seems Bill Clinton is using this
Guru too!

A short Excursus on Brains and Politics

Erwachen - 1987 / Droemersche Verlagsanstalt Th. Knaur Nachf (Munich, Germany)

And a book in the German too. Ahem.

-------------------------

Max Kennedy


Max Kennedy

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volt...@ix.netcom.com (Jim Kennemur) wrote:

>> by The Hon. William R. Bryant, Jr.

>> Republican Leader Emeritus


>> Michigan House of Representatives
>>
>>>"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of
>>>individuals and of cultures in transition. I have seen her work in Africa,
>>>healing a brilliant young shaman who had allowed his powers to become so twisted
>>>and cynical after touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
>>>anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had ever talked to
>>>him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman, to allow a higher power to
>>>possess one and to use that power for good-honestly, and with love. She sees
>>>through those who are charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age
>>>drivel or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then she
>>>laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."

>As opposed to the masses of the Republican Party who profess to


>believe in life after death, a holy trinity, virgin births, the
>ressurection of the dead, miracles, prayer and a pit of eternal
>suffering and damnation.

>Those witches sure have some goofy beliefs.

Yeah, Hitler was really big into it too.

But, never mind, get some LSD, and find a witchdoctor like Jean Houstan to
brainwash you. You'll be doing a Hillary Clinton in no time. Shame!

Max Kennedy

Paul H. Henry

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In article <DtIq8...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com wrote:

[...]

> Hillary may have voluntary allowed herself to be brainwashed into a
delusion of
> talking to dead people, but it's not someone I want in the whitehouse.

You are a liar. All Mrs. Clinton has been "accused" of is role-playing:
imagining what a famous person from history would say if she were holding
a conversation with her. That is hardly a "delusion."

In another message, you wrote, "I HATE liars. I mean I REALLY HATE
LIARS." Do you care to revise this statement, now that your own lying
tendencies have been exposed?

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In article <DtKDv...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:
>and you're on you way to some old time religion!

And while your at it, check out Al Gore's
contribution to: Magical Blend #42 April'94.

J.D. Baldwin

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In article <DtKAp...@iglou.com>, Max Kennedy <mken...@iglou.com>
wrote, quoting volt...@ix.netcom.com (Jim Kennemur):

[on the subject of one William R. Bryant, Jr. of the Michigan House of
Representatives]

>>You just described the NEW IMPROVED REPUBLICAN PARTY Rapido. I tell
>>them that every day.
>
>This isn't Congress, it's a State house of representives. I suspect
>this quote is old, so I wouldn't put any faith that the person is still in
>office.

No, Mr. Bryant is still very much in office and representing Wayne
County (the county in which you will find Detroit). Of course, as
with most Republicans elected from major urban areas, he's pretty much
a RINO and quite the liberal flake.

Incidentally, Mr. Bryant is serving his THIRTEENTH term in the MI
House. Term limits, anyone?
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bill

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Listen closely as you read the following... You can hear the theme from
"Twilight Zone" playing softly in the background...:)

>> "In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and
> >> a healer of individuals and of cultures in transition. I have
> >> seen her work in Africa, healing a brilliant young shaman who
> >> had allowed his powers to become so twisted and cynical after
> >> touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
> >> anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had
> >> ever talked to him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman,
> >> to allow a higher power to possess one and to use that power for
> >> good-honestly, and with love. She sees through those who are
> >> charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age drivel
> >> or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then
> >> she laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."
>

>ah
>


Max Kennedy

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phe...@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) wrote:

>[...]

>> Hillary may have voluntary allowed herself to be brainwashed into a
>>delusion of talking to dead people, but it's not someone I want in the whitehouse.

>You are a liar. All Mrs. Clinton has been "accused" of is role-playing:
>imagining what a famous person from history would say if she were holding
>a conversation with her. That is hardly a "delusion."

What? For stating an opinion? For saying may have? She certainly may have, and
it's looking more like that all the time. And yes, I consider believing you are
talking to dead people delusionary. She wouldn't have had someone else tape
record it if she was counscience of it. That's Jean Houston's speciality,
trance states.

Sorry, but someone that invites THAT type of person into the right house is not
someone I want in there. As far as "all Mrs. Clinton" is being accused of
goes, I suppose you mean the mainstream media? So? The mainstream media isn't
mentioning all this LSD research, or any of the other bizarre stuff either.

And no, I don't believe the roleplaying bit. That ISN'T what this Guru is into.
It's a spin, from a person that has already been shown lying a couple of times
in the last few days, including on her resume. She even claimed in the same
interview that "Mrs. Clinton is not very Psychic, even less Psychic then me",
and how it doesn't have anything to do with mysticism.. etc." Just roleplaying.

It was a direct lie. She's written books on psychics, she runs a mystery
school. She's not into "roleplaying".

>In another message, you wrote, "I HATE liars. I mean I REALLY HATE
>LIARS." Do you care to revise this statement, now that your own lying
>tendencies have been exposed?

The only one exposes them as a liar here is yourself.
If you want to refute my documentation that Clinton's guru is not into
"roleplaying", but LSD, "Shamansism", and "Pyschic" weirdness, then you'll have
to provide some documentation. I suggest trying her mystery school. Good
luck...

Max Kennedy

Max Kennedy

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bh...@usa.net (bill) wrote:

For some reason, normal access to that document from her mystery school web site
now requires a password. I have no idea why. Maybe she got one of her rituals
wrong or something.

So, use the direct link instead to access it:
http://198.68.10.253/waking/about_mystery.html

You have to read alot of New Age fluff to get to the part about her work outside
the Mystery School, where we learn that she is a splendid shaman of all things.

(According to some articles I read, by the way, shaman was chosen by workers in
the field because it was a "value-neutral" word from Siberia, as opposed to
witchdoctor, which has negative cocnotations. I had no idea there was a PC talk
to all this. Fascinating.

Max Kennedy

Paul H. Henry

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> phe...@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) wrote:
>
> >In article <DtIq8...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com wrote:
>
> >[...]
>
> >> Hillary may have voluntary allowed herself to be brainwashed into a
> >>delusion of talking to dead people, but it's not someone I want in
the whitehouse.
>
> >You are a liar. All Mrs. Clinton has been "accused" of is role-playing:
> >imagining what a famous person from history would say if she were holding
> >a conversation with her. That is hardly a "delusion."
>
> What? For stating an opinion? For saying may have? She certainly may
have, and
> it's looking more like that all the time. And yes, I consider believing
you are
> talking to dead people delusionary. She wouldn't have had someone else tape
> record it if she was counscience of it. That's Jean Houston's speciality,
> trance states.

You are a liar. She did not "believe" she was talking to dead people. Bob
Woodward himself denounces the way liars like you have misrepresented his
book.

[...]

> As far as "all Mrs. Clinton" is being accused of
> goes, I suppose you mean the mainstream media? So?

Considering that Bob Woodward is the only source for any of this, and he
hasn't made the accusations to which you refer, it's all just baseless
speculation and hate-mongering on your part.

> The mainstream media isn't
> mentioning all this LSD research, or any of the other bizarre stuff either.

Yeah, whatever. Tell me about the black helicopters again.

> And no, I don't believe the roleplaying bit.

No, of course you don't. You only believe the things you WANT to believe.

[...]

> >In another message, you wrote, "I HATE liars. I mean I REALLY HATE
> >LIARS." Do you care to revise this statement, now that your own lying
> >tendencies have been exposed?
>
> The only one exposes them as a liar here is yourself.

Ah, the ironclad "I know you are, but what am I?" defense, which has
proven to be popular with dittoids and other right-wingers everywhere.
I'll make you a deal: if you can show me where Bob Woodward has called
Mrs. Clinton "delusional" and has said that she "believed [she was]
talking to dead people," then I'll stop calling you a liar. Until then,
get used to it, liar.

Robert Sheaffer

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In article <4qn1b3$1...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
Charles <joe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Margaret Mead! Gee wiz!
> As we now know, she was the victim of perhaps the most INCREDIBLE CON
>IN THE ANNALS OF THE SOCIAL SCIENCES when, during her stay in Samoa to
>study the natives' sexual culture, these same natives utterly
>hoodwinked the "smart" and "enlightened" Western liberal Mead and
>essentially bullshitted her at every turn regarding their ACTUAL
>folkways. Apparently they were rather teed-off at her patronizing
>liberal attitude.
> The hapless Mead returned to the US after this trip thinking she had
>"discovered" something significant about the coming-of-age process in
>"idyllic" Samoa, and her liberal Anglo colleagues immediately crowned
>her as "The Queen of American Anthropology."


Yes. Mead also went on record proclaiming, in her superior wisdom,
that UFOs were real. (She used to have a monthly column in Redbook).

During the 1960s, Margaret Mead was unwisely named as the head of the AAAS
(the American Association for the Advancement of Science), and she
immediately worked to put "parapsychology" as one of the supposed
"sciences" of the AAAS. In the late 70s, Nobel-prize physicist John
Wheeler said that "the decade of permissiveness is over", and after
recounting the above, said "it's time to throw the pseudos out!"

Aah, Margaret Mead.....

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phe...@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) wrote:


>You are a liar. She did not "believe" she was talking to dead people. Bob
>Woodward himself denounces the way liars like you have misrepresented his
>book.

Jean Houston specializes in trance states, and bills herself at her mystery
school as Shaman. Find one example when she has ever been into role playing.
That's not what she is into.

Hillary Clinton had someone else tape record her conversations. That's pretty
standard for people when they go under trance, because they aren't aware of what
is going on.

>[...]

>> As far as "all Mrs. Clinton" is being accused of
>> goes, I suppose you mean the mainstream media? So?

>Considering that Bob Woodward is the only source for any of this, and he
>hasn't made the accusations to which you refer, it's all just baseless
>speculation and hate-mongering on your part.

Really? Geeze, what about all those sources I posted. Can you do your own
research? Come up with your own conclusions? THINK?

>> The mainstream media isn't
>> mentioning all this LSD research, or any of the other bizarre stuff either.

>Yeah, whatever. Tell me about the black helicopters again.

Not believing it won't make it go away. Now, at her mystery school, I DO
believe she teaches people that believing will make things happen, so enjoy.

Take some LSD while you're there. Ask for a sex ritual. Enjoy yourself.

>> And no, I don't believe the roleplaying bit.

>No, of course you don't. You only believe the things you WANT to believe.

I have reason to believe everything I said. You pissed me off enough that I'm
going to append my original post to this message. She's not a roleplayer, she's
a witchdoctor. I particular like article #4 appended below, by a Michagan House
Republican Representive praising her for her Shaman abilities. It's like
something out of the Twilight Zone!

Max Kennedy

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some random words on Jean Houston
The Clinton's "spiritual" advisor:

She was payed by the government to research LSD in the 60s, discovered
there was 4 levels of mental functioning while on LSD, including one

involving myths, and the next involving integration of the same and "religious"
experience. She proceeded to get very interested in myths, and myth


creation, which eventually lead to her interest in religions, and the founding
of her mystery school. Later she would go on to work with Hillary and Bill
Clinton in the whitehouse, although she denies she used hypnotism or LSD
on them.

The rumors that the CIA sponsered the LSD research in the
60s, manafactured the LSD researchers used, discovered that myths
and settings (focus) was most useful under LSD to change (brainwash)
a person, and continued the research into religion*1 , which intergrats the
two in the most useful way, in the 70s, such as Jonestown.. are all a myth.

Of course.

Which may be why Jean Houston's autobiography is called: A mythic life.
While it has nothing to do with the above, it would be a pretty good play
on the word myth as used in the intelligence community.

*1 (note: Just as the Nazis discovered the use of the occult.)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sketchpad:

-------------------------------

Houston believed in putting people into trances and has used hypnosis


and, for a period in the 1960s, conducted experiments with LSD. "But
she tried to be careful with Hillary and the president, intentionally
avoiding any of those techniques," Woodward wrote.

------------------------------

5:48 PM (ET) 6/24

POMONA, N.Y. (AP) -- Jean Houston writes things like, "we are living


In the early 1960s, Houston did government-sponsored research on
LSD but dismisses suggestions that she embraced it as a
consciousness-raising drug. "We were trying to get kids off of
drugs," she said.

Ed Note: Right!!

-----------------------------------------
Biography for/on Books

Dr. Houston is author or co-author of a dozen books in areas ranging from
mythology and psychobiography to applications of her own and others' research in
neural and sensory re-education, creativity and innovative education. She has
been for three decades director of The Foundation for Mind Research, first in
New York City and now in Pomona, New York.

Neural and sensory re-education?

--------------------------------------

Since the early 1980s, she has guided a year-long school in


spiritual studies based on the ancient mystery schools.

Says William R. Bryant, Jr.,
Republican Leader Emeritus,
Michigan House of Representatives

"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of


individuals and of cultures in transition. I have seen her work in Africa,
healing a brilliant young shaman who had allowed his powers to become so twisted
and cynical after touring the United States that he was unable to do good for
anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had ever talked to
him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman, to allow a higher power to
possess one and to use that power for good-honestly, and with love. She sees
through those who are charletans and hucksters, ripping people off with New Age
drivel or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then she
laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."

-------------------------------------
Government Acid

----------------------------------------
Government Acid again


---------------------------------------
Book Cite

----------------------------------------
Book Cite

Albert Hoffman
My Problem Child

LSD sessions had reportedly provoked extraordinary aesthetic experiences
and granted new insights into the essence of the creative process. Artists
were influenced in their creative work in unconventional ways. A particular
type of art developed that has become known as psychedelic art. It
comprises creations produced under the influenced of LSD and other
psychedelic drugs, whereby the drugs acted as stimulus and source of
inspiration. The standard publication in this field is the book by Robert
E. L. Masters and Jean Houston, Psychedelic Art (Balance House, 1968).

------------------------------------

More Books by Jean Houston:

LifeForce: The Psycho-Historical Recovery of the Self - 1980 / Delta (NY);
The Possible Human - 1982 / Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc. (Los Angeles, CA)

Erwachen - 1987 / Droemersche Verlagsanstalt Th. Knaur Nachf (Munich,

Karl Auerbach

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> rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:
>
> >It is this kind of distortion and sensationalism that leads me to
>

> I pulled this information off a web site selling books by Clinton's spiritual
> advisor. I don't see that that is very distorted. Nice attempt at spin, I
> suggest everyone do a yahoo search.

Why bother? The yahoos are all in the Whitehouse.

Karl

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Joseph R. Darancette

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rbo...@ix.netcom.com(Roger B Olsen) wrote:

> I really do not think Hillary believes she was speaking to
>a dead person. BTW, I do enjoy your posts on LSD research. It has been
>used to influence and control others. Witness Charlie Manson.

>RBO

Elinore and Gandhi are alive?? You haven't neen doing a little LSD
research yourself have you?

JRD


Karl Auerbach

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> On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:00:11 GMT, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy)
> wrote:
>

[some snippage, since this stupid newsreader won't let me post if there's
more included text than "original"]


> >>"In her work outside of Mystery School, Jean is a visionary and a healer of
> >>individuals and of cultures in transition. I have seen her work in Africa,
> >>healing a brilliant young shaman who had allowed his powers to become
so twisted
> >>and cynical after touring the United States that he was unable to do
good for
> >>anyone. Jean healed him merely by talking to him as no one had ever
talked to
> >>him. She knows herself what it is to be a shaman, to allow a higher power to
> >>possess one and to use that power for good-honestly, and with love. She sees
> >>through those who are charletans and hucksters, ripping people off
with New Age
> >>drivel or playing on fear instead of engaging in loving play. But then she
> >>laughs about them and forgives them, as she does everyone."
>

> As opposed to the masses of the Republican Party who profess to
> believe in life after death, a holy trinity, virgin births, the
> ressurection of the dead, miracles, prayer and a pit of eternal
> suffering and damnation.
>

Damnit JIm, we're Christians! 8^)

And say, aren't there more than a few Democrats who beleive the same
things? Was not Bill Clinton recently seen at a church down south? Hasn't
he been seen in more than a few? Aren't the Kennedys professed Catholics?

> Those witches sure have some goofy beliefs.

True, bit not as goofy as those who think only Republicans beleive what
you state.

Dan Helmick

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Instead of having Dr. Houston, past president of the Association for
Humanistic Psychology, visit the White House, perhaps we should see the
reinstatement of, say...

Nancy Reagan's astrologer?


--

Roger B Olsen

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In <DtnvA...@iglou.com> mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) writes:
>
>phe...@halcyon.com (Paul H. Henry) wrote:
>
>>In article <DtIq8...@iglou.com>, mken...@iglou.com wrote:
>
>>[...]
>
>>> Hillary may have voluntary allowed herself to be brainwashed into a
>>>delusion of talking to dead people, but it's not someone I want in the
whitehouse.
>
>>You are a liar. All Mrs. Clinton has been "accused" of is role-playing:
>>imagining what a famous person from history would say if she were holding
>>a conversation with her. That is hardly a "delusion."
>
>What? For stating an opinion? For saying may have? She certainly may have, and
>it's looking more like that all the time. And yes, I consider believing you are
>talking to dead people delusionary. She wouldn't have had someone else tape
>record it if she was counscience of it. That's Jean Houston's speciality,
>trance states.

Careful Max. There is evidence that Elenor did indeed live. Having an
imaginary conversation with other person's is something people do
everyday, reguardless of whether they are dead or alive. What do you do
before you post to this NG? Do you not have imaginary conversations
with others in order to clarify in your own mind just what you want to
say? If that is delusional, what do you call it when someone has a
conversation with an entity for which there is no proof of its
existense, that is, God. Do you call it praying and is praying
delusional? I really do not think Hillary believes she was speaking to

Aholibamah

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Or Al Gore as grand wizard?
And Tipper as head of PMRC!

Lucile V. Wilson

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So tell me when you found out that Bill Clinton murdered Vince Foster
and Starr and the rest of us will know. Do you have a spiritual
advisor?
Lu

gary addis

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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:00:21 GMT, mken...@iglou.com (Max Kennedy) wrote:

+Recent Books by Jean Houston:
+
+A Few Reflections on Historic, Neural and Psychic Causes of the Bosnian Crisis
+A short Excursus on Brains and Politics
+
+--------------------
+
+If ever there was a person that impressed upon me the idea of beinng a candidate
+for CIA and involved in brainwashing, it's this person.
+
+Psychic causes of the Bosnian war???
+
+Max Kennedy
+-------------------------
+
+Philosopher educator Jean Houston has been for the last thirty years in the
+forefront of efforts to bring new knowledge from psychology and neuroscience
+into education and human development programs. A former philosophy professor,
+Dr. Houston has taught at universities throughout the U.S. and in many other
+countries. She has worked with governmental agencies and the United Nations and
+has been keynote speaker at innumerable conferences and gatherings of leaders of
+business, science and education.
+
+Dr. Jean Houston was the protégé and "adopted daughter" of the late
+anthropologist Margaret Mead, who instructed her in the workings of
+organizations and power structures in many different cultures. With the late
+mythologist Joseph Campbell, Jean Houston frequently co-led seminars and
+workshops aimed at understanding interrelationships between ancient myths and
+modern societies. Dr. Houston has also participated in "think tanks" and other
+such gatherings with leading thinkers of our time in a variety of fields.
+
+Dr. Houston is author or co-author of a dozen books in areas ranging from
+mythology and psychobiography to applications of her own and others' research in
+neural and sensory re-education, creativity and innovative education. She has
+been for three decades director of The Foundation for Mind Research, first in
+New York City and now in Pomona, New York.
+
+Additionally, Jean Houston has made cross-cultural studies of educational and
+healing methods in Asia and Africa. Her principal areas of interest apart from
+her work are theater, archaeology and the philosophical, societal and other
+implications of contemporary physics. Dr. Houston's mind has often been called
+"a national treasure" and she has also been described as "the greatest American
+orator since William Jennings Bryan."
+
+Jean Houston, Ph.D., is internationally known as a seminar leader and consultant
+on human development. Her intensive, high-energy workshops blend myth, history,
+philosophy and psychology with music, meditation and dance. High ritual
+experiences are created that re-enact the great myths and help participants to
+create their own story.
+
+As past president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology, Dr. Houston has
+taught philosophy, psychology, and religion at Columbia University, Hunter
+College, the New School for Social Research, Marymount College, the University
+of California. In 1985 she was elected Distinguished Educator of the Year by the
+National Teacher Educator Association. More recently, she received the Gardner
+Murphy Award in Psychology, the Humanitarian of the Year (1993) award from the
+INTA and the Lifetime Outstanding Creative Achievement Award from the Creative
+Education Foundation (1994).
+
+She has written or co-authored fifteen books, including Public Like A Frog, The
+Hero and the Goddess, The Possible Human, The Search for the Beloved, and
+Godseed. In addition, she has worked at the grass roots as well as the highest
+governmental and cultural levels in over 40 countries, helping local and
+international groups and agencies in their quest for cultural growth and social
+transition. Recently, she has been working with UNICEF to implement some of
+these programs. Since the early 1980s, she has guided a year-long school in
+spiritual studies based on the ancient mystery schools.
+
+Books by Jean Houston:
+
+ LifeForce: The Psycho-Historical Recovery of the Self - 1980 / Delta (NY);
+
+ revised edition
+ 1993 / Quest Books (IL)
+
+ The Possible Human - 1982 / Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc. (Los Angeles, CA)
+
+ Erwachen - 1987 / Droemersche Verlagsanstalt Th. Knaur Nachf (Munich,
+ Germany)
+
+ The Search for the Beloved: Journeys in Sacred Psychology - 1987 / Jeremy P.
+
+ Tarcher, Inc. (Los Angeles, CA)
+
+ Godseed: The Journey of Christ - 1988 / Amity House (NY); revised edition
+ 1992 / Quest Books (IL)
+
+ A Feminine Myth of Creation - (with Dianna Vandenberg) 1988 / J.H.
+ Gattmer0Haarlem
+ (Holland)
+
+ The Hero and The Goddess: The Odyssey as Mystery and Initiation - 1992 /
+ Ballantine
+ Books (NY)
+
+ Public Like a Frog: Entering the Lives of Three Great Americans - 1993 /
+ Quest Books (IL)
+
+ Manual for the Peacemaker: A Native American Journey of Transformation -
+ Fall, 1994 /
+ Quest Books (IL)
+
+ A Mythic Life: Autobiography of Jean Houston - Spring, 1995 / Harter (San
+ Francisco, CA)
+
+ Marriage to the Soul: The Passion of Isis and Osiris - Fall, 1995 /
+ Ballentine Books (NY)
+
+Books by Jean Houston and Robert Masters:
+
+ The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience - 1966 / Holt, Rinehart & Winston
+ (NY)
+ Psychedelic Art - 1968 / Grove Press (NY)
+ Mind Games - 1972 / Viking Press (NY)
+ Listening to the Body - 1978 / Delta (NY)
+
+
+

Max, first you report that Jean Houston is a ninny psychic, now you're impressing us with her brains
and accomplishments. Sheesh, no wonder Mrs. Clinton consulted with her.

Gary

inf...@best.com

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In article <31d61592...@news.nse.com>
gad...@southwind.com (gary addis) writes:

> +Books by Jean Houston and Robert Masters:
> +

<snip>


>
> Max, first you report that Jean Houston is a ninny psychic, now you're impressing us with her brains
> and accomplishments. Sheesh, no wonder Mrs. Clinton consulted with her.

Her hubby, Robert Masters, is into worshipping Bast and Sekhmet,
ancient Egyptian feline goddesses. I wonder what their sex life is
like. On second thought, I don't want to know.

Max Kennedy

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inf...@best.com ( ) wrote:

>In article <31d61592...@news.nse.com>
>gad...@southwind.com (gary addis) writes:

>> +Books by Jean Houston and Robert Masters:
>> +

><snip>


>>
>> Max, first you report that Jean Houston is a ninny psychic, now you're impressing us with her brains
>> and accomplishments. Sheesh, no wonder Mrs. Clinton consulted with her.

>Her hubby, Robert Masters, is into worshipping Bast and Sekhmet,


>ancient Egyptian feline goddesses. I wonder what their sex life is
>like. On second thought, I don't want to know.

Yep, In fact he wrote a book on it, which in Magick bookstores seems to get
placed somewhere in the Egyptian magick section, and before the Enochian Magick
section.

Meanwhile, to whoever mentioned it, I did check, and sure enough, Al Gore did
write an article for Magical Blend. Haven't seen the issue or title of the
article yet, but I assume it's one on environmentalism. Pretty bizarre magazine
to write for, in any case. Makes in interesting tidbit to go with Al Gore's
book being found in the Unabomber's cabin. --If anyone happens to have a copy
of this article online, I would like to have it.

With Bateson's work on the double bind theory, and Mead scurrying around
advocating parapsychology while Jean Houston is researching LSD-ESP and other
three letter intials that go bump in the night, it starts to get bizarre.

By the way: I have a common, popular list around here, which although I don't

agree with it's assements, offers a list of "how you know if an organization

is using mind control". -- Since it was written by Margaret Singer, and used
by CAN, it's not likely to be accurate, however, it does mention that "Sacred

Science" is one such item that qualifies.



The Search for the Beloved: Journeys in Sacred Psychology -

Jean Houston 1987 / Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc. (Los Angeles, CA)

By this criteria, it would hardly be libel to shout "Mind Control!" at this
point :)

Max Kennedy

PS: On the other hand, looking into voodoo with research on this topic doesn't
make anything about this seem very funny :(

Boy1e

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>>rap: This is not only a picture of american congresman, it is a picture

of American People, and their profile -- that permits such an imbecile
and a cretin to rule in Congress and to tell them these witchcraft
stories as something that is to become American people's "bread and
butter" ideological matrix. Lame, lame, lame, shame, shame, shame, ...
on people who are too lazy to get off their butts and tell these
ideological perverts, shamans and demagogues to piss off<<

Two things about this comment and this thread interest me:

1. Would the posters say the same for the Reagan administration, where
Nancy Reagan was known to consult an astrologist?

2. Would these comments be the same if Hillary Clinton had spoken with a
Jew? A Muslim? A Buddhist, Taoist, Shintoist, Christian Scientist or any
of a host of other faiths?

Todd

Boy1e

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>>Yeah, Hitler was really big into it too. <<

Hitler was a reasonably devout Roman Catholic, if I recall my history. In
fact, the swastika has its origins in medieval Christianity, I believe.
But don't quote me on sources, it was just a vague reference I read
somewhere.

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