Any lawyer or journalist to help?
Araik Margarian
following:
I had a traffic accident on 04/01/2005, Friday, around 4PM.
I called 911 from my Sprint PCS cell phone. As soon as I've got
answered I said "I have an accident" and then there was silence in
phone. For more than 2 minutes my phone was captured - it showed
as if I am connected from a call to someone, displaying
"UNKNOWNID". No keys on the phone worked and no voice was
there. Then it fully hung up as if someone pressed "End" button and it
started to work again. Meanwhile, the opposite party of the accident
called successfully the police from her phone by my request. The area
was normal area for Sprint reception
I had some strange problems with Sprint before and complained
several times to them. By their advice, I recharged my phone and
changed the phone not once. The phone itself works normal, but I
believe that there is some strange outside control and manipulation of
service once a while.
I came to the police station after the incident and wanted to make
report to investigate why my 911 call silenced and my phone captured
when I said "I have an accident". The police officer said that currently
the 911 calls are being handled differently than it was in past and it
may be the reason. But he advised me to contact to service provider
first.
I called to customer service of my cell phone provider several times.
After listening my request they hung up.
I believe it is of great concern of everyone of us that the 911 help is
there at emergency and hope that an investigation will shed light why it
failed.
As the Police and Sprint PCS do not cooperate in this matter, I am
asking advice
how can I proceed to solve this issue.
--
Regards,
Araik Margarian.
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Yibbels
Araik Margarian wrote:
> As the Police and Sprint PCS do not cooperate in this matter, I am
> asking advice how can I proceed to solve this issue.
Welcome to America, where corporations run the show and can
exclude themselves from behaving ethically or responsibly anytime
they wish.
FWIW, it may help to complain to the FCC, but the corporations
lackeys have a majority there too.
Or, if you live near the Sprint headquarters, you could spend the
$20 to take them to small claims court and ask for damages.
Yib
David Morgan (MAMS)
"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1114036698.7...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Pain and suffering? Hit by a semi while waiting? Charged for the
minutes on hold, perhaps? Maybe mental anguish... at least that's
what you'll get after you read the fine print in the cellular contract;
but there's little chance of seeing the light of day in any pursuit of
damages.
I am curious about getting a response from 911 and then nothing
further... bad signal, bad service, or a bad deal... hmmmm...
Araik Margarian
The point is that this is just one fact from well organized
foul plays and adversary control over all aspects of my
life for years - such as manipulating
my cell phone, phone, email, job search and much more
that I won't bring here .
My numerous addresses to many good offices didn't get any result.
So why I am
asking an advice to find a lawyer or journalist
who can make a difference in a surrealistically targeted situation.
Ferrari
asking advice how can I proceed to solve this issue."
Dump Sprint.
Ferrari
Yibbels
> manipulating my cell phone, phone, email, job search and much more
Assuming that your perceptions are correct, that you're not just
imagining all this, I suggest doing what I list below. I suggest this
because I am aware, there are rare cases where events like you
describe do happen.
1. buy a pay-per-use cell phones which you can buy anonymously
for incoming calls ; buy recharge cards using cash.
2. buy $10 phone cards for use from pay phones etc for
outgoing calls ; don't use a home phone.
3. use email only from public places e.g. library or copy centers
and pay with cash
4. document everything! including taking photos of anything
very out of the ordinary. keep a disposable or digital camera
and tape recorder on you just in case.
5. ask others of your ethnic or national group if they have experienced
anything similar in your town/city
6. in general use cash, not credit or ATM
7. keep a cool head. don't get paranoid.
8. when you've documented everything, removing all fearful
speculation, contact the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Good luck.
Araik Margarian
: Hi Araik,
:
: > manipulating my cell phone, phone, email, job search and much more
:
: Assuming that your perceptions are correct,
Too correct, too clear, good or bad...
: that you're not just
: imagining all this,
I wish. I could write a novel then better than
"Beautiful mind" or "Process" or "Castle".
:I suggest doing what I list below. I suggest this
: because I am aware, there are rare cases where events like you
: describe do happen.
:
Thank you at least for acknowledging.
: 1. buy a pay-per-use cell phones which you can buy anonymously
: for incoming calls ; buy recharge cards using cash.
:
I even don't need cell phone. It's not about that.
: 2. buy $10 phone cards for use from pay phones etc for
: outgoing calls ; don't use a home phone.
:
You are talking about North Korea or America?
: 3. use email only from public places e.g. library or copy centers
: and pay with cash
:
With this one I have some experience: I was subjected to such vicious mind games
2 years ago that among other things of Diogenes-style cask life, didn't use
computer for about 1 year.
When one day I connected my computer, coming back later to home found it totally
... have been broken.
I live for myself, nobody visits me. I referred to police but in vain.
Then I started to use library computer for months for job search before I bought
a new one.
It appears very "smart" and "favorable" to me; No matter the existing waiting
list for computers, as soon as I typed my name and account number, I was
immediately offered a seat. As soon as I started to use a computer, the arrow
would move and type by itself, hinting me that it is manipulated; but if I tell
that someone, I would get just laughs.
My emails usually would not get to addressees. I would get very strange,
spam-like mail which are actually scam,
mind games and who knows what.
: 4. document everything!
I am not journalist. I documented many facts and addressed
to authorities for over a year. No result.
Moreover, the almost invisible power is powerful enough
to forge or suppress anything to suit to its agenda. I have an example even here
on Usenet
how my posts were totally forged.
: including taking photos of anything
: very out of the ordinary. keep a disposable or digital camera
: and tape recorder on you just in case.
:
Disgusting! I am myself- I have many facts and evidence - to be "documented" in
almost
every minute of my life, including when I am at home.
: 5. ask others of your ethnic or national group if they have experienced
: anything similar in your town/city
:
No; I don't belong in any traditionally disadvantaged groups in this country.
Besides, every my ( I empathize - every) my relation to anyone is strictly
premeditated and subject to the same agenda.
: 6. in general use cash, not credit or ATM
:
Drug dealer or who? I left to live on credit cards for more than a year.
In contrary, the agenda is creating a mythical image about me. My life has been
always transparent.
: 7. keep a cool head. don't get paranoid.
:
I got paranoid 2 years ago when all the surrealistic things started
to show themselves ostensibly.
Then, ( a man can be used to anything) I started to live
with it as a artificially infected metasocial tumor.
Doing all that I can - to write here and there - to fight it. It's terribly
hard, disgraceful
and frustrated. It changes
it's behavior and invisible "face" whenever and however it likes. But I guessed
many parts of its nature and vicious agenda.
I like this world too much to give up.
I like this country too much to give up.
: 8. when you've documented everything, removing all fearful
: speculation, contact the Southern Poverty Law Center.
:
I didn't here about that. Is that something serious?
What about the "much more"? There is indeed much more mind games.
If only I put about my job and job search experience!
Some of them designed in a way that if I talk about them - then it can appear
I am insane. Some of them - if I talk it will be mischievously scammed and
twisted
against myself.
If not talk - like I do most of the time; then it creates
and develop 1 man jail around
me in this most free country.
: Good luck.
:
Thanks...
I hope there exists some good will to let me back to normal life.
I hope I'll get some meaningful advise to move on in my life.
Yibbels
> : 3. use email only from public places e.g. library or copy centers
> : and pay with cash
> :
>
> With this one I have some experience: I was subjected to such vicious
mind games
> 2 years ago that among other things of Diogenes-style cask life,
didn't use
> computer for about 1 year.
> When one day I connected my computer, coming back later to home found
it totally
> ... have been broken.
How? Electronic equipment is susceptible to lots of problems.
> I live for myself, nobody visits me. I referred to police but in
vain.
> Then I started to use library computer for months for job search
before I bought
> a new one.
> It appears very "smart" and "favorable" to me; No matter the existing
waiting
> list for computers, as soon as I typed my name and account number, I
was
> immediately offered a seat.
Did you ask the librarian why that happened?
Did you show it to the librarian?
>As soon as I started to use a computer, the arrow
> would move and type by itself, hinting me that it is manipulated
What you describe is very possible using remote administration
software;
it could well be that someone working at the library was playing a
trick on you.
In my experience, people who work in a computer "security" jobs
are often able and inclined to play such games. I've seen them
do it before, heck I've heard them *brag* of breaking in to computers
of coworkers and customers.
But in a library, that would really have to be done by someone
who works at the library, or less likely, by the feds.
> My emails usually would not get to addressees.
Using what type of account: yahoo, AOL, what?
> I would get very strange,
> spam-like mail which are actually scam,
> mind games and who knows what.
EVERYONE GETS THOSE. Some info here: www.scamwatch.org
> I documented many facts and addressed
> to authorities for over a year. No result.
Police don't have time for minor stuff like one person
harrassing another, especially not computer-related harrassment
where almost nothing can be proved. Nor do the police really
care about non-violent hate crimes.
> Moreover, the almost invisible power is powerful enough
> to forge or suppress anything to suit to its agenda. I have an
example even here
> on Usenet
> how my posts were totally forged.
Yes, Usenet posts are sometimes forged. These days however,
that forging must be done by a "system administrator". A typical
user cannot forge a Usenet post.
Listen: If you provide a link to a Google Groups posting that was
forged
to make it look like you posted it, perhaps I can tell you
something about the forger. Go to groups.google.com and find the post.
> No; I don't belong in any traditionally disadvantaged groups in this
country.
> Besides, every my ( I empathize - every) my relation to anyone is
strictly
> premeditated and subject to the same agenda.
Are you Jewish, leftist, disliked for any reason in Armenia, etc?
Is Armenia disliked by neighboring countries?
Who has a key to your room/home/apartment?
> Drug dealer or who? I left to live on credit cards for more than a
year.
> In contrary, the agenda is creating a mythical image about me. My
life has been always transparent.
Why do you call this person(s) an "agenda"?
> : 7. keep a cool head. don't get paranoid.
> :
> I got paranoid 2 years ago when all the surrealistic things started
> to show themselves ostensibly.
> Then, ( a man can be used to anything) I started to live
> with it as a artificially infected metasocial tumor.
That's the wrong approach. You should never let yourself
become accustomed to another person harrassing you. You have
to find out who they are, then approach them directly and tell
them to stop. Until you do that, they will keep doing it
because it gives them pleasure and they feel safe.
Harrassment is founded on cowardice.
> Doing all that I can - to write here and there - to fight it. It's
terribly
> hard, disgraceful and frustrated. It changes
> it's behavior and invisible "face" whenever and however it likes.
Perhaps you are being harrassed by more than one person.
I've heard of and seen this behavior from US hate groups,
but who knows who they are.
But don't underestimate their ability to organize themselves
or their need to harrass people.
The question is, how did you get on their radar, i.e.
how did they become interested in you.
> : 8. when you've documented everything, removing all fearful
> : speculation, contact the Southern Poverty Law Center.
>
> I didn't here about that. Is that something serious?
Yes. They monitor hate groups. The KKK, MeCHA, etc.
> What about the "much more"? There is indeed much more mind games.
> If only I put about my job and job search experience!
Please explain.
> Some of them designed in a way that if I talk about them - then it
can appear
> I am insane.
Of course. But the fact that you're socially isolated is
probably what has made you appealing to this group or person.
>Some of them - if I talk it will be mischievously scammed and
> twisted against myself.
That's a contradiction. If they are always in the shadows,
how can they twist what you say against you?
Yib
Yibbels
§hadoΨraith wrote:
> The guy's a nut. Ignore him.
What you don't realize is that there is actually
quite a lot of hate-group activity in the USA,
and that they are well organized and active. Just because
you didn't see it on TV doesn't mean it didn't happen.
For example, a list:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/hatewatch/fortherecord.jsp
Particularly interesting item:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/hatewatch/item.jsp?hid=654
Now, while most people might assume these squabbles
are just pointless bickering between uneducated
oafs and ex-cons, which often is true, the sad reality
is that their activities do occassionally reach into
mainstream society.
So while the OP may have become paranoid and may be
attributing a great deal to his adversary that he
shouldn't, it's not implausible that somehow he got
on their radar and they're abusing him.
Yib
Yibbels
>thinks a cell phone failure, spam, email problems, and popups are
evidence
>of a well-organized unseen adversary attempting to control their life.
And that's reasonable, except (A) since 911 what I have observed
is that some rightwing nutjobs now feel they have a mandate
to target foreignors as well as anarchists and leftists and other
races,
and (B) since people working in security-oriented jobs, e.g. computer
security,
campus security, city police etc., sometimes are in fact just these
sorts of nutjobs, what we have is situation where, to use a metaphor,
the rabid dogs are loose.
There's a huge potential for abuse and there are people who
want to abuse.
And mind you, even before 911, things were moving in this
direction for a number of reasons.
So I figure what has happened is, he somehow got on some nutjob's
or group's radar and they're toying with him, making him paranoid
because he can't see where this is coming from. But unfortunately he's
in
a kind of submissive shock, so he's not investigating the sources
either.
And keep in mind also, people who harrass often are very cowardly,
so they may be going to lengths to prevent him from learning who they
are
and to prevent a face-to-face interaction.
L Sternn
<arama...@aol.com> wrote:
>I had some strange problems with Sprint before and complained
>several times to them. By their advice, I recharged my phone and
>changed the phone not once. The phone itself works normal, but I
>believe that there is some strange outside control and manipulation of
>service once a while.
Sprint is the problem. That's why I'm not their customer anymore and
why I only was for a month.
I finally got them to admit they lied about their coverage area.
They probably train the customer dis-service reps better these days.
L Sternn
<arama...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1114102260.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>: Hi Araik,
>
>
>: 2. buy $10 phone cards for use from pay phones etc for
>: outgoing calls ; don't use a home phone.
>:
>
>You are talking about North Korea or America?
America, of course - you think you can buy $10 phone cards in NK?
But you should note a frightening parallel.
North Korea.....North America
Coincidence? You decide.
>
>
>: 3. use email only from public places e.g. library or copy centers
>: and pay with cash
>:
>
>With this one I have some experience: I was subjected to such vicious mind games
>2 years ago that among other things of Diogenes-style cask life, didn't use
>computer for about 1 year.
Who played these mind games on you?
>When one day I connected my computer, coming back later to home found it totally
>... have been broken.
Had you paid your electric bill?
>I live for myself, nobody visits me. I referred to police but in vain.
LOL -
>Then I started to use library computer for months for job search before I bought
>a new one.
>It appears very "smart" and "favorable" to me; No matter the existing waiting
>list for computers, as soon as I typed my name and account number, I was
>immediately offered a seat. As soon as I started to use a computer, the arrow
>would move and type by itself, hinting me that it is manipulated; but if I tell
>that someone, I would get just laughs.
>My emails usually would not get to addressees. I would get very strange,
>spam-like mail which are actually scam,
That last part is actually normal.
>mind games and who knows what.
>
>
>
>: 4. document everything!
>
>I am not journalist. I documented many facts and addressed
>to authorities for over a year. No result.
"Facts" like someone "totally broke" your computer while it sat idle
for a year?
>Moreover, the almost invisible power is powerful enough
>to forge or suppress anything to suit to its agenda. I have an example even here
>on Usenet
>how my posts were totally forged.
Totally?
>
>
>
>: including taking photos of anything
>: very out of the ordinary. keep a disposable or digital camera
>: and tape recorder on you just in case.
>:
>
>Disgusting! I am myself- I have many facts and evidence - to be "documented" in
>almost
> every minute of my life, including when I am at home.
You could wire yourself up and broadcast every waking moment to the
internet.
>
>
>: 5. ask others of your ethnic or national group if they have experienced
>: anything similar in your town/city
>:
>
>No; I don't belong in any traditionally disadvantaged groups in this country.
Except for the chronically stupid and the people with funny sounding
names.
>Besides, every my ( I empathize - every) my relation to anyone is strictly
>premeditated and subject to the same agenda.
>
Could you have someone translate that for us?
What is your agenda, for example?
>
>: 6. in general use cash, not credit or ATM
>:
>
>Drug dealer or who? I left to live on credit cards for more than a year.
Great - and that whole time you were looking for a job?
What are you doing in this country anyway?
>In contrary, the agenda is creating a mythical image about me. My life has been
>always transparent.
>
>: 7. keep a cool head. don't get paranoid.
>:
>
>I got paranoid 2 years ago when all the surrealistic things started
>to show themselves ostensibly.
Perhaps things are better in your native land?
>Then, ( a man can be used to anything) I started to live
>with it as a artificially infected metasocial tumor.
>Doing all that I can - to write here and there - to fight it. It's terribly
>hard, disgraceful
>and frustrated. It changes
>it's behavior and invisible "face" whenever and however it likes. But I guessed
>many parts of its nature and vicious agenda.
>I like this world too much to give up.
>I like this country too much to give up.
What is the legal basis for your residency here?
It sounds as though you're not employed, you live alone and have no
relatives.
I'd really like to know why you are here. If there's some legal
basis for it, please tell us because it sounds like you're not a
contributing member of society.
>
>
>
>: 8. when you've documented everything, removing all fearful
>: speculation, contact the Southern Poverty Law Center.
>:
>
>I didn't here about that. Is that something serious?
No, it's just a euphemism to move back to Armenia (we don't care if
that's where you're originally from - people like you deserve to go to
Armenia. Be glad I didn't suggest North Korea).
>What about the "much more"? There is indeed much more mind games.
>If only I put about my job and job search experience!
>
>Some of them designed in a way that if I talk about them - then it can appear
>I am insane.
Naw, it appears you're insane because you are.
> Some of them - if I talk it will be mischievously scammed and
>twisted
>against myself.
>If not talk - like I do most of the time; then it creates
>and develop 1 man jail around
>me in this most free country.
>
It sounds as though you were freer in your native land.
Yibbels
L Sternn wrote:
> But you should note a frightening parallel.
> North Korea.....North America
> Coincidence? You decide.
That's funny. But you know, some time ago I read that
MS Windows is widely understood to contain software from
the NSA. Spooky. And then I learned about Echelon, the system
that is in place to monitor all email, phone calls, faxes
etc which the govt has admitted exists. But yeah you're right,
I guess we're not similar to North Korea at all....
> I'd really like to know why you are here. If there's some legal
> basis for it, please tell us because it sounds like you're not a
> contributing member of society.
Darn... I feel the same way about George W Bush. What a parasite!
Return his ass to the land of rich diabolical whitetrash ;)
Yib
Araik Margarian
"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114178254....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: Araik Margarian wrote:
:
: > : 3. use email only from public places e.g. library or copy centers
: > : and pay with cash
: > :
: >
: > With this one I have some experience: I was subjected to such vicious
: mind games
: > 2 years ago that among other things of Diogenes-style cask life,
: didn't use
: > computer for about 1 year.
: > When one day I connected my computer, coming back later to home found
: it totally
: > ... have been broken.
:
: How? Electronic equipment is susceptible to lots of problems.
:
It's still there, as a fact.
: > I live for myself, nobody visits me. I referred to police but in
: vain.
: > Then I started to use library computer for months for job search
: before I bought
: > a new one.
: > It appears very "smart" and "favorable" to me; No matter the existing
: waiting
: > list for computers, as soon as I typed my name and account number, I
: was
: > immediately offered a seat.
:
: Did you ask the librarian why that happened?
: Did you show it to the librarian?
:
I mentioned them. several times. What they could say?
: >As soon as I started to use a computer, the arrow
: > would move and type by itself, hinting me that it is manipulated
:
: What you describe is very possible using remote administration
: software;
: it could well be that someone working at the library was playing a
: trick on you.
:
: In my experience, people who work in a computer "security" jobs
: are often able and inclined to play such games. I've seen them
: do it before, heck I've heard them *brag* of breaking in to computers
: of coworkers and customers.
:
: But in a library, that would really have to be done by someone
: who works at the library, or less likely, by the feds.
:
Every time! Why?
: > My emails usually would not get to addressees.
:
: Using what type of account: yahoo, AOL, what?
:
Yahoo and AOL.
: > I would get very strange,
: > spam-like mail which are actually scam,
: > mind games and who knows what.
:
: EVERYONE GETS THOSE. Some info here: www.scamwatch.org
:
I know. But what I got were very specific and strange.
: > I documented many facts and addressed
: > to authorities for over a year. No result.
:
: Police don't have time for minor stuff like one person
: harrassing another, especially not computer-related harrassment
: where almost nothing can be proved. Nor do the police really
: care about non-violent hate crimes.
:
That was not one-person-harrasment. That was a part of a big picture,
which I presentedas well.
: > Moreover, the almost invisible power is powerful enough
: > to forge or suppress anything to suit to its agenda. I have an
: example even here
: > on Usenet
: > how my posts were totally forged.
:
: Yes, Usenet posts are sometimes forged. These days however,
: that forging must be done by a "system administrator". A typical
: user cannot forge a Usenet post.
:
: Listen: If you provide a link to a Google Groups posting that was
: forged
: to make it look like you posted it, perhaps I can tell you
: something about the forger. Go to groups.google.com and find the post.
:
OK, that's the thread of "FAQ - My Writings" in Misc.Writing group:
When I had to change my news server and download them, I discovered that
the messages in the thread, started from the second, have completely different
content.
: > No; I don't belong in any traditionally disadvantaged groups in this
: country.
: > Besides, every my ( I empathize - every) my relation to anyone is
: strictly
: > premeditated and subject to the same agenda.
:
: Are you Jewish, leftist, disliked for any reason in Armenia, etc?
: Is Armenia disliked by neighboring countries?
:
Just an ordinary Armenian. It doesn't mather at all.
: Who has a key to your room/home/apartment?
:
My landlord only.
: > Drug dealer or who? I left to live on credit cards for more than a
: year.
: > In contrary, the agenda is creating a mythical image about me. My
: life has been always transparent.
:
: Why do you call this person(s) an "agenda"?
It's not a person or persons.
Here is the introduction from my AOL Journal that may explain it:
About me and this blog
Dear readers,
I am an immigrant from Armenia living in US for more than 12 years.
There are many things for which I love this country and hope for an opportunity
to have a meaningful life. Meanwhile specially in last 2 years I have been
experiencing well organized, very sophisticated control and manipulation over
basically all aspects of my life that keep me artificially isolated from
community and mysteriously targeted. I believe that whatever the purpose of
these surrealistic, almost mythological mind games and control is, publicity
about it may help to restore a normal life. My numerous petitions to authorities
and other respectful organizations, media, prominent individuals did not get
much feedback. I found similarities in my situation with those of Kafka's some
writings; with those of Salem which hunting stories. While I am not proficient
in English in proper level, I started to write poems and short stories in
English, based on my experience, and post them in relevant Usenet groups. I
thought it could make difference. I thought my prayers and my inquiries can
reach to those who supervise our destinies and lives; I hope I would get some
compassionate advice how to fight back my ordinary life. Instead, I encountered
responses that were not different from what is happening in real life. My
postings were forged; their meanings ostensibly were misinterpreted, ridiculed;
there was created irrelevant "noise" around them to intimidate and suppress my
voice.
I am starting this blog. I am not sure how helpful it will be for my situation.
Is an ordinary man's life important? I believe it is so. I believe everything in
the world is connected. If one gets in obviously surrealistic situation, there
is no guaranty that anybody else will not experience similar control. That's why
a biblical wisdom tells us that saving one innocent man is saving the world.
:
: > : 7. keep a cool head. don't get paranoid.
: > :
: > I got paranoid 2 years ago when all the surrealistic things started
: > to show themselves ostensibly.
: > Then, ( a man can be used to anything) I started to live
: > with it as a artificially infected metasocial tumor.
:
: That's the wrong approach. You should never let yourself
: become accustomed to another person harrassing you. You have
: to find out who they are, then approach them directly and tell
: them to stop. Until you do that, they will keep doing it
: because it gives them pleasure and they feel safe.
:
: Harrassment is founded on cowardice.
:
I've done that; I talked and write with them and authorities for 2 years;
They were well-educated, well-established individuals
who claimed to be government agents; Now they don't bother much with
their mind games, but nothing changed in manipulation of my life.
: > Doing all that I can - to write here and there - to fight it. It's
: terribly
: > hard, disgraceful and frustrated. It changes
: > it's behavior and invisible "face" whenever and however it likes.
:
: Perhaps you are being harrassed by more than one person.
: I've heard of and seen this behavior from US hate groups,
: but who knows who they are.
:
: But don't underestimate their ability to organize themselves
: or their need to harrass people.
:
: The question is, how did you get on their radar, i.e.
: how did they become interested in you.
:
That's not about hate groups or so. That's something is very well organized
obviously for some agenda.
: > : 8. when you've documented everything, removing all fearful
: > : speculation, contact the Southern Poverty Law Center.
: >
: > I didn't here about that. Is that something serious?
:
: Yes. They monitor hate groups. The KKK, MeCHA, etc.
:
: > What about the "much more"? There is indeed much more mind games.
: > If only I put about my job and job search experience!
:
: Please explain.
What examples I brought here is just a very small part of the real picture.
I don't want to discuss it here so why I am looking for a lawyer or journalist
who can assist honestly.
:
: > Some of them designed in a way that if I talk about them - then it
: can appear
: > I am insane.
:
: Of course. But the fact that you're socially isolated is
: probably what has made you appealing to this group or person.
:
I have been isolated artificially, which was part of the agenda.
: >Some of them - if I talk it will be mischievously scammed and
: > twisted against myself.
:
: That's a contradiction. If they are always in the shadows,
: how can they twist what you say against you?
:
Did I say "they are always in shadows"?
Did I pointed to someone or a group?
Actually, I don't think that such discussion helps.
I would prefer to a legal or media help.
: Yib
:
mourne...@aol.com
Might say ~
Strange things happen!
Center yourself in Truth and Light,
Draw upon the Universe's postive force.
And follow your local laws,
Report anything that seems to tresspass
The Law.
Be obstinate, if you must,
But persist in forcing authorities to listen, act
And advocate for your rights.
Maintain good health,
Body and mind.
As good a way to live as any ...
Yibbels
part of the world whose naivete must have led him
to some have some negative experiences and now
he's paranoid as a loon. But, people like this are also
tempting targets for nutjobs.
mourne...@aol.com
With a variety of friends, not just one!
mourne...@aol.com
Who's duty to protect your best interests ~
Won't publically stand up for you,
Consider that professional corrupt
And seen more responsible professional assistance!
Allen L. Barker
I haven't followed his posts closely, so I won't comment on
what may actually be going on. You have pointed out, to
your credit, that there are hate groups which engage in
group stalking. Covert harassment, especially high-tech
harassment, is a real problem these days. Such harassment
plays on the deniability factor and the fact that victims
may well called crazy -- especially if they lash out in
unfortunate ways against their unknown harassers.
I just wanted to add that government involvement cannot be
ruled out. This kind of harassment was used by the FBI in
its COINTELPRO operations of the 60s, for example. Given
the current climate -- such as an attorney general who
authored legal opinions essentially justifying torture --
government involvement is unfortunately a possibility
which needs to be considered in such cases.
--
Mind Control: TT&P ==> http://www.datafilter.com/mc
Music ==> http://www.soundclick.com/kingflowermusic.htm
Allen Barker | Home page ==> http://www.datafilter.com/alb
Yibbels
> which needs to be considered in such cases.
Oh, absolutely. I suspect what we have in this country is
a situation where in some cases, the line between
government and hate group is very blurred, and in other
cases the hate groups are autonomous and have to
follow the law.
Given this situation, a person in his predicament
needs to at least try be very stealthy i.e. stop providing
others with the means to harrass him, e.g. via phone,
credit card transactions, email etc.
However from his perspective, giving up basic comforts
of living may seem like a defeat, so he will object.
Similarly when I suggested that he document
everything that happens, he found that idea
"disgusting", which is rational, because it's like
documenting every time the neighbor's dog barks
at him, i.e. it would be like sinking to the level of
his harrasser. He doesn't want to believe that
his life has been so easily defiled.
Alas, if he's posting to Usenet about this
then I'd say it has been defiled and his passivity
is prolonging his problem.
Yibbels
Only by being active can one overcome a harrasser.
Twittering One
Only by being active can one overcome a harrasser."
Wrong.
One often needs help.
Yibbels
Twittering One wrote:
> One often needs help.
Ah, Grasshopper, one often does needs help. But help is usually
not on offer against harrassers. One must take steps oneself.
That is the path to virtue. That is called having a spine.
Araik Margarian
"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114349520.6...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
:> I do question someone who
:
It may be possible something like that, but it (A) started many years ago
(B) it is much more powerful, very sophisticated, well organized, with sense of
humor and creativity and any, so-called "nutjob"
(I don't understand what the meaning is but can guess) has only a small
part in the big picture. I heard many hints; I can make many assumptions myself;
but that's not my job to present my guesses. I presented in my petitions to
authorities and media detailed facts.
Araik Margarian
"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114438173.3...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
:> government involvement is unfortunately a possibility
:
"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114438173.3...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
:> government involvement is unfortunately a possibility
:
So what should and what else I suppose to do? I write and refer to wherever
possible for more than a year. I even started to write my inquiries in poetic
forms and post in Usenet. What is passivity in a case when a powerful,
all-included
force manipulates you? Why a man can not have genuine chance to work and
live? It's not a hate group. I don't deserve and didn't earn to be targeted of
a group. It's too powerful control, obviously having hidden agendas unknown to
me and organizing all of the manipulations for over years.
Is there a way an ordinary man can fight back his life from such situation?
Araik Margarian
"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114396861.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
: He's probably just a very naive boy from a backward
:
I would not say that I am from "backward part of the world".
unless you considered so Soviet Union and one of well
developed part of it - Armenia. And, I would say that
I was not "very naive" and specially I didn't have "negative experiences".
But, at least, currently, for over a year when I am not naive
at all, why it's all continues with not wavering persistence?
Araik Margarian
"L Sternn" <linc...@hm.net> wrote in message
news:18jn61lg07k30jkgc...@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:01:22 -0400, "Araik Margarian"
: <arama...@aol.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >"Yibbels" <yib...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >news:1114102260.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: >: Hi Araik,
:
: >
: >
: >: 2. buy $10 phone cards for use from pay phones etc for
: >: outgoing calls ; don't use a home phone.
: >:
: >
: >You are talking about North Korea or America?
:
: America, of course - you think you can buy $10 phone cards in NK?
:
: But you should note a frightening parallel.
:
: North Korea.....North America
:
: Coincidence? You decide.
:
My statement imply trust to America; Why at all is possible
an ordinary man to be forced into paranoia here?
Yours is fruitless comparison.
: >
: >
: >: 3. use email only from public places e.g. library or copy centers
: >: and pay with cash
: >:
: >
: >With this one I have some experience: I was subjected to such vicious mind
games
: >2 years ago that among other things of Diogenes-style cask life, didn't use
: >computer for about 1 year.
:
: Who played these mind games on you?
:
Look at my previous posts.
: >When one day I connected my computer, coming back later to home found it
totally
: >... have been broken.
:
: Had you paid your electric bill?
:
LOL
: >I live for myself, nobody visits me. I referred to police but in vain.
:
: LOL -
:
I brought many other facts there as well; including the statment of 2 of
those well-educated well-established individuals who claim to be government
agent who told me in August 2003 that police has order to not give you ticket,
and not take reports from you and not notice you at all.
: >Then I started to use library computer for months for job search before I
bought
: >a new one.
: >It appears very "smart" and "favorable" to me; No matter the existing waiting
: >list for computers, as soon as I typed my name and account number, I was
: >immediately offered a seat. As soon as I started to use a computer, the arrow
: >would move and type by itself, hinting me that it is manipulated; but if I
tell
: >that someone, I would get just laughs.
: >My emails usually would not get to addressees. I would get very strange,
: >spam-like mail which are actually scam,
:
: That last part is actually normal.
:
: >mind games and who knows what.
: >
: >
: >
: >: 4. document everything!
: >
: >I am not journalist. I documented many facts and addressed
: >to authorities for over a year. No result.
:
: "Facts" like someone "totally broke" your computer while it sat idle
: for a year?
:
I switched it, played for an hour, then got out.
When came back after 2-3 hours, it just would not connect.
Later I called a technician who could not fix it and could not understand
at all how it could happen.
: >Moreover, the almost invisible power is powerful enough
: >to forge or suppress anything to suit to its agenda. I have an example even
here
: >on Usenet
: >how my posts were totally forged.
:
: Totally?
:
Yes, completely. I have details in my previous post.
: >
: >
: >
: >: including taking photos of anything
: >: very out of the ordinary. keep a disposable or digital camera
: >: and tape recorder on you just in case.
: >:
: >
: >Disgusting! I am myself- I have many facts and evidence - to be "documented"
in
: >almost
: > every minute of my life, including when I am at home.
:
: You could wire yourself up and broadcast every waking moment to the
: internet.
:
I guess the controllers are doing something like that, as I have many facts
that every my cough is pictured and recorded.
: >
: >
: >: 5. ask others of your ethnic or national group if they have experienced
: >: anything similar in your town/city
: >:
: >
: >No; I don't belong in any traditionally disadvantaged groups in this country.
:
:
: Except for the chronically stupid and the people with funny sounding
: names.
:
This sentence proves that you may a bit involved in that powerful
force. It's like a big tree with many branches and lists. And every of them has
a small task to do with a specially targeted list.
: >Besides, every my ( I empathize - every) my relation to anyone is strictly
: >premeditated and subject to the same agenda.
: >
:
: Could you have someone translate that for us?
:
I said that I have very many facts. I am not going
to bring them here.
: What is your agenda, for example?
:
To live as millions others, without being subject to
organized disgraceful manipulations; To have real chance to find work and
make family.
: >
: >: 6. in general use cash, not credit or ATM
: >:
: >
: >Drug dealer or who? I left to live on credit cards for more than a year.
:
: Great - and that whole time you were looking for a job?
:
: What are you doing in this country anyway?
:
What are you doing, what millions others are doing "in this country"?
Living or trying to live. Trying to fight back egregious persecution.
Writing to every possible government agency and other places.
: >In contrary, the agenda is creating a mythical image about me. My life has
been
: >always transparent.
: >
: >: 7. keep a cool head. don't get paranoid.
: >:
: >
: >I got paranoid 2 years ago when all the surrealistic things started
: >to show themselves ostensibly.
:
: Perhaps things are better in your native land?
:
I spent my 12 years here with the hope of normal life.
: >Then, ( a man can be used to anything) I started to live
: >with it as a artificially infected metasocial tumor.
: >Doing all that I can - to write here and there - to fight it. It's terribly
: >hard, disgraceful
: >and frustrated. It changes
: >it's behavior and invisible "face" whenever and however it likes. But I
guessed
: >many parts of its nature and vicious agenda.
: >I like this world too much to give up.
: >I like this country too much to give up.
:
: What is the legal basis for your residency here?
:
: It sounds as though you're not employed, you live alone and have no
: relatives.
:
: I'd really like to know why you are here. If there's some legal
: basis for it, please tell us because it sounds like you're not a
: contributing member of society.
In my numerious inquiries with authorities nobody asked me
such questions. What is your authoritiy? Why you are so rude and
make upside down things? I claim that I am not given genuine chance
to work and pray and plead for normal life and you say "you're not
a contributing member of society." It's like someone break
the foot of a man and the other one blame him to be lame.
I am legal resident and have citizen and legal resident family members here-
parents, sister, brother and other close relatives.
I worked for more than 6 years as a programmer analyst and web developer and
paid many tens of thousands of taxes overall.
:
: >
: >
: >
: >: 8. when you've documented everything, removing all fearful
: >: speculation, contact the Southern Poverty Law Center.
: >:
: >
: >I didn't here about that. Is that something serious?
:
: No, it's just a euphemism to move back to Armenia (we don't care if
: that's where you're originally from - people like you deserve to go to
: Armenia. Be glad I didn't suggest North Korea).
:
I like this country and there are many things for which I love, admire
and thankful to this country. Why you twist my inquiry? Why you sound
so arrogant?
: >What about the "much more"? There is indeed much more mind games.
: >If only I put about my job and job search experience!
: >
: >Some of them designed in a way that if I talk about them - then it can appear
: >I am insane.
:
: Naw, it appears you're insane because you are.
:
If one thousand people surround a meek, it's not hard for them
to claim and "prove" whatever they like, however insane it sounds.
That happened in Salem witchcraft creation story.
That happened in 1937 in Soviet Union.
: > Some of them - if I talk it will be mischievously scammed and
: >twisted
: >against myself.
: >If not talk - like I do most of the time; then it creates
: >and develop 1 man jail around
: >me in this most free country.
: >
:
: It sounds as though you were freer in your native land.
Did I complain against anything in this country except
the unprecended control and manipulation I am experiencing?
Is the question about weighing the freedom in pounds?
:
: >
: >: Good luck.
: >:
: >
: >
: >Thanks...
: >I hope there exists some good will to let me back to normal life.
: >I hope I'll get some meaningful advise to move on in my life.
:
Araik Margarian
"§hadoØraith" <shado...@see.message-id> wrote in message
news:1eo31iluin5ko$.dlg@officer.com...
: Yibbels wrote:
:
: > §hadoØraith wrote:
: >
: >> The guy's a nut. Ignore him.
: >
: > What you don't realize is that there is actually
: > quite a lot of hate-group activity in the USA,
: > and that they are well organized and active. Just because
: > you didn't see it on TV doesn't mean it didn't happen.
:
: I do not question the existence of hate-group activity involving subtle or
: overt aggression or its increase since 9/11. I do question someone who
: thinks a cell phone failure, spam, email problems, and popups are evidence
: of a well-organized unseen adversary attempting to control their life.
:
I brought here only very small amount of the surrealism; just a few "new
things":
what about recieving phone calls with color ID "BIG BROTHER."
the day the local newspaper published my letter about corrupted emergency call.
What about recieving regularly phone calls with other exotic color ids or
leaving
incoherent messages. When I call back, it appears it says "the number is out of
service".
: <snip>
:
: > So while the OP may have become paranoid and may be
: > attributing a great deal to his adversary that he
: > shouldn't, it's not implausible that somehow he got
: > on their radar and they're abusing him.
:
: I read some of the OP's articles after he posted to this group in December.
What is OP?
I haven't post anything in these group in december.
: While reading his story of Vladimir and American Dream,
"story of Vladimir", - "Lenin's Funny Life" I posted in Januaary
in alt.prose, what.if.history, alt.surrealism and alt.books.Kurt.Vonnegut ng's.
That was my first fiction story and I think if I would have chance to work with
an editor, it could be developed to an entertaining comedy how an ordinary man's
life is manipulated and mythologised out of his knowledge and control. Then I
wrote
similar farce "Galileo", but by negative attitude to my writings overall still
discourages
me to edit and post it's parts. "My American Dream" I wrote and posted on
February
in poetry groups and it's almost documentary poem.
: I was steeped in
: the image of a newly arrived Armenian immigrant to a country emerging from
: 9/11 amidst racial profiling and a declining job market. Left jobless and
: on the brink of homelessness, he had nothing but writing to wile away his
: time. Creativity can be a beautiful thing. In isolation it can breed
: insanity. His posts evoke a picture of a man who has become the anti-hero
: of his storytelling, an isolated stranger in a strange land oppressed by an
: unseen hand.
Sounds so professional. And fake. I am here more than 12 years and I am
Armenian Christian. The surrealism was surrounding me at least from 98.
From May 2003, it started to open mask from it's head. My poems, and writings
are mainly about that, as I thought it would help stop obvious mind games and
foul play.
: Unless his stories appear to contain messages to sleeper cells
: via some form of steganography,
Now who is insane, pretending paranoya?
: which would land him squarely on Homeland
: Security's radar,
I heard similar things before from those well-educated well-established
individuals who claimed to be government agents.
I would not make such noise about the frustration of 24/7/365 control if not
parrallely
being created of various myths of vicious character.
: his artificially infected metasocial tumor is not some
: unseen monolithic adversary with an agenda.
... Unless one's dream and strive to have normal life in this country is
an adversary agenda.
: It is self-imposed isolation
Artificially imposed from outside.
: facilitated by his immigrant situation.
:
: --
: §hadoØraith
:
: "The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life
: when he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself."
: Archibald Macleish
Araik Margarian
news:1114396831....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: As a good healthy para-normal psycholigist
Although I can't get into
vague "Center yourself in Truth and Light,
Draw upon the Universe's postive force.",
I think I am doing what is your advice in other lines, but it doesn't
make anything to change.
L Sternn
>> I'd really like to know why you are here. If there's some legal
>> basis for it, please tell us because it sounds like you're not a
>> contributing member of society.
>
>Darn... I feel the same way about George W Bush. What a parasite!
>Return his ass to the land of rich diabolical whitetrash ;)
Unfortunately, Connecticut is still part of the US
L Sternn
<arama...@aol.com> wrote:
>: I'd really like to know why you are here. If there's some legal
>: basis for it, please tell us because it sounds like you're not a
>: contributing member of society.
>
>In my numerious inquiries with authorities nobody asked me
>such questions.
Thanks for the info - that sounds like a real problem and I will
contact my elected representatives regarding it.
> What is your authoritiy?
I vote.
> Why you are so rude and
>make upside down things?
I'm not rude. Why are you such a freeloader?
>I claim that I am not given genuine chance
>to work and pray and plead for normal life and you say "you're not
>a contributing member of society." It's like someone break
>the foot of a man and the other one blame him to be lame.
>
>
>I am legal resident and have citizen and legal resident family members here-
>parents, sister, brother and other close relatives.
Then why don't you associate with them? You yourself said you were
basically a shut-in.
>
>I worked for more than 6 years as a programmer analyst and web developer and
>paid many tens of thousands of taxes overall.
H1-B?
Funny how you didn't manage to learn to speak proper English in all
that time.
Yibbels
Araik Margarian wrote:
> What is passivity in a case when a powerful, all-included
> force manipulates you?
You're in denial. It's not a "force" you're dealing with,
and you're not powerless. These are just human beings,
trying to make you feel powerless.
Maybe they have some advantages over you, but you need to
deal with this scientifically. You seem to be responding
unscientifically, irrationally, and attributing more power to
them than you should.
> Is there a way an ordinary man can fight back his life from such
situation?
My original reply listed a number of things to do,
such a stopping using things which let other humans
track you e.g. credit cards.
Yib
Giddy
<d46hi3$4hv$1...@domitilla.aioe.org>:
>
> I am looking to find a lawyer or journalist who can assist in the
> following:
>
> I had a traffic accident on 04/01/2005,
>
Do you mean 4 January 2005?
>
>
--
Giddy
Araik Margarian
: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:54:58 -0400, "Araik Margarian"
: <arama...@aol.com> wrote:
:
: >: I'd really like to know why you are here. If there's some legal
: >: basis for it, please tell us because it sounds like you're not a
: >: contributing member of society.
: >
: >In my numerious inquiries with authorities nobody asked me
: >such questions.
:
: Thanks for the info - that sounds like a real problem and I will
: contact my elected representatives regarding it.
Thanks a lot for that; Tell him or her that this guy contacted to all possible
officials about very troubling surrealistic situation for about 2 years;
tell him the best advice I got to go to court; Tell that this guy pray for
ordinary life and have hope and trust on government.
:
: > What is your authoritiy?
:
: I vote.
:
If I would not say I paid taxes you would response "I
pay taxes".
If there is Good Will, I'll vote in 4 years too;
:
: > Why you are so rude and
: >make upside down things?
:
:
: I'm not rude. Why are you such a freeloader?
I am not freeloader. I am being Salemized.
:
: >I claim that I am not given genuine chance
: >to work and pray and plead for normal life and you say "you're not
: >a contributing member of society." It's like someone break
: >the foot of a man and the other one blame him to be lame.
: >
: >
: >I am legal resident and have citizen and legal resident family members here-
: >parents, sister, brother and other close relatives.
:
: Then why don't you associate with them? You yourself said you were
: basically a shut-in.
:
What I am talking about is not connected to them; Alas they are subject to
similar mind games and manipulations; only they are to simple to recognize it.
: >
: >I worked for more than 6 years as a programmer analyst and web developer and
: >paid many tens of thousands of taxes overall.
:
:
: H1-B?
:
Yes;
: Funny how you didn't manage to learn to speak proper English in all
: that time.
There are many more funny things in my story and beyond, my friend;
Somewhat also funny how you hear how I speak English.
May be the reason is that I never had an American girlfriend.
While I don't have native English speaker's language; I think it's not
bad at all.
Araik Margarian
"Giddy" <gi...@dalesdenizen.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BE943902...@fe07.highwinds-media.phx...
: Araik Margarian at <arama...@aol.com> wrote in
:
:
:
No, on April 1 2005; Giddy is kiddin'
Araik Margarian
:
Surprisingly, you dismissed out my more "revealing" posts; And shy
to quote back my posts;
Your advises are look like very much to advises of those well educated,
well-established individuals who claimed to be government agents 2 and more
years ago;
such as:
1.Switch off your cell phone and use it only when you want to make a call;
2. disconnect your home phone at all;
2. Don't save money in saving account; make cash and cash out your
credit cards in order government could not track you;
3. Read anti-semitic literature on Internet;
4. You have 2 weeks left; Read this book "How We Die".
5. Bring from a company programming job at home and work on cash;
6. Learn to hack a code;
7. You can find a girlfriend from chat groups only;
... And much, much more;
What is this? A certain crime creation department? A virtual reality creation
department?
Aren't there enough real criminals?
Araik Margarian
"§hadoØraith" <shado...@see.message-id> wrote in message
news:7ihchkpa...@officer.com...
: Yibbels wrote:
:
: >> government involvement is unfortunately a possibility
: >> which needs to be considered in such cases.
: >
: > Oh, absolutely. I suspect what we have in this country is
: > a situation where in some cases, the line between
: > government and hate group is very blurred, and in other
: > cases the hate groups are autonomous and have to
: > follow the law.
:
: Both happen.
:
: > Given this situation, a person in his predicament
: > needs to at least try be very stealthy i.e. stop providing
: > others with the means to harrass him, e.g. via phone,
: > credit card transactions, email etc.
:
: Piffle. That's just plain old common sense. Nothing stealthy about it.
:
: > However from his perspective, giving up basic comforts
: > of living may seem like a defeat, so he will object.
:
: Giving up basic comforts of what? If the OP knows how to use anonymous news
: servers, he knows how to set up his posts to obscure his email address from
: harvesting bots. Instead, he posts with a harvestable email address and
: whines about it when his inbox is "mysteriously" inundated with spam.
:
Most of the scam email comes to my yahoo account; And I don't have
anything to hide: That's what the conspiracy want me to do for realization
their mythical scenarios; 2 years ago I was urged from those
well-educated well-established individuals - who claimed to be government agents
and posed to be my friends some from as far as from 1993-1994 - to
leave this country as
1. Government doesn't want you;
2. Your life is in trouble;
3. America has many colors. You will be surprised and terrorized to see what
terrible things will happen;
4. Here too happen similar things like in Soviet Union KGB was ruining the
families and then postfactum accepts their mistakes;
... And many, many more...
: > Similarly when I suggested that he document
: > everything that happens, he found that idea
: > "disgusting", which is rational, because it's like
: > documenting every time the neighbor's dog barks
: > at him, i.e. it would be like sinking to the level of
: > his harrasser. He doesn't want to believe that
: > his life has been so easily defiled.
: >
I think about similar idea: to write a detailed autobiographical novel;
But I don't think it will not be forged if I post it here or anywhere.
"Harraser" is not a person or persons; It's a powerful "Invisible Hand"
who can equally do good and bad as well; so why I can only pray and plead;
: > Alas, if he's posting to Usenet about this
: > then I'd say it has been defiled and his passivity
: > is prolonging his problem.
:
: I think whining nut best describes his problem. Doing it on Usenet, which
: only increases his paranoia (due to the usual responses paranoid whiners
: receive), is only secondary to his primary problem.
:
I know the source and nature of those "usual responses"; And I don't know what
else can I do except posting on Usenet.
: --
: §hadoØraith
:
: "The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life
: when he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself."
: Archibald Macleish
--
Araik Margarian
: Yibbels wrote:
:
: > So I figure what has happened is, he somehow got on some nutjob's
: > or group's radar and they're toying with him, making him paranoid
: > because he can't see where this is coming from. But unfortunately he's
: > in a kind of submissive shock, so he's not investigating the sources
: > either.
:
: in the U.S. (to prove he is "not yet a consummate ghost"),
This is outrageously perverting the clear meaning of my poetic images.
: living off credit cards,
this is what I am "entitled" from the powerful conspiracy.
: expecting U.S. employers to change their hiring policies,
Expecting some US employers not engage in scam and fraud directed by the same
powerful conspiracy;
I can bring facts and names, if it can make difference.
: and whining about his life failures (all caused by the "unseen hand").
Where you found the "unseen hand"? I never had such euphemism; but I have
euphemisms such as "Invisible Hand", "Salemesque", "Kafkaesque" and "Year 1937".
: He posted here in February (not December) asking about the "Win $500K" scam.
: When told everyone receives them he claimed the large number he receives is
: proof of a hidden monolithic enemy and included a cut and paste of the
: "Washington Mutual" scam.
"Hidden monolithic enemy" - not my words at all; disgusting!
: Were he to present something other than a single
: cell phone failure, email problems, spam, and popups (all easily explained
: by applying Occam's Razor),
Did you see in your dream that I am "presenting" about "popups and spam"?
: I might be inclined to consider his claims
: legitimate.
I'll not bring here more facts even the easy presentable things - hundreds of
outrageous emails of various criminal and other vicious nature which
are all the part of the same agenda.
Because what is happening here is same as in real life: Bold facts are ignored
and are likely subjected to be forged in some uncertain time; meanings of my
statements are corrupted and disgraced intentionally; never my real facts and
arguments are quoted back and discussed; never my AOL Journal address is
quoted back; they are meant to be forged; in one word, same forces, same agenda
control almost all responses to me.
: Until then he is a nut and should be ignored.
:
Actually, not ignore but try to manipulate for some reason unknown to me;
I have the image of "shadow" as an intelligent man, with respectful job and
family;
the shadow responsibility of his is to supervise and corrupt - in this case not
very harmful - my legitimate and real claims in a Usenet group.
Yibbels
Araik Margarian
"§hadoØraith" <shado...@see.message-id> wrote in message
news:1ume5x7xmwlrx$.dlg@officer.com...
: Yibbels wrote:
<skipped>
:He
: posted here in February (not December) asking about the "Win $500K" scam.
: When told everyone receives them he claimed the large number he receives is
: proof of a hidden monolithic enemy and included a cut and paste of the
: "Washington Mutual" scam. Were he to present something other than a single
: cell phone failure, email problems, spam, and popups (all easily explained
: by applying Occam's Razor), I might be inclined to consider his claims
: legitimate. Until then he is a nut and should be ignored.
:
: --
: §hadoØraith
:
: "The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life
: when he resigns momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself."
: Archibald Macleish
In my previous messages I presented here "something other",
implying more outrageous mind games and foul play.
instead of seeing you or anyone else "inclined to consider my claims legitimate"
everyone stopped replying as if by a magic "Invisible Hand's" sign.
The following is the last factual thing from that series.
2 weeks ago I filed a complain against a Walgreen's store in Massachusetts at
Better Business Bureau site.
Yesteraday I received the feedback which I present below, as well sent to
authorities to investigate.
When I clicked the link, it took to some strange page with numeric ip which
contained the exact copy of my complain arranged so neatly to
make impression it is a legitimate page. The site obviously doesn't have
anything common
with BBB (Better Business Bureau).
How to explain this serial "magic"? Who would care to find from BBB what I
wrote there?
Then by complex tricks make a web site and arrange an email to me as if that is
the legitimate
response to me from the BBB.
This is obviously one serial scam in the long chain of mind games and foul play
around me.
I don't want to believe that common sense and Good Will are disappeared at all.
I hope to get really serious advice and/or reccomendation to an entity who can
let
me restore my ordinary life from hands of surrealism.
--
Regards,
Araik Margarian.
http://journals.aol.com/aramargar1/MyAmericanDream/
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Every time I click on "Report Spam" button, but they continue come as regular
mail.
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Once you have clicked on the "Live Help" link, you will be prompted to
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Do not respond to this email, as your reply will not be received. If
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refer to the eBay Contact Customer Support page at the address provided
below and contact us with your concern:
Thank you for your patience in this matter.
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This message had an attachment which were found to contain the following
virus(es):
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Et.c, Et.c. ;
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Regards,
Araik Margarian.
http://journals.aol.com/aramargar1/MyAmericanDream/
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